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We here at the Nation of Cut Yo Face recognise how great it is to be Irish.
But not in the "We're all drunk" way, thats a poor inaccurate stereotype that most Irish people hate.

An American girl I met once was shocked to hear that Ireland had Newspapers, she actually thought we were stuck in the dark ages! I mean come on! The trade between America and Ireland should at least educate people aboot our state of technological development!! We're the gateway to Europe from America from a trade point of view!

Its great to Irish cuz we have fun BECAUSE we're Irish. We're a laid back nation while being economically powerful. People love coming to ireland because of the scenery and, well not the weather, thats mostly shit. We're friendly and there's not a lot of red heads, contrary to stereotypes.

That is all

I was in a bar in Dublin some years ago. I noticed that there wasn't a stick of furniture in the whole place.

Rather like a bar I remember from Alexandria, Louisiana.

They had no furniture for identical reasons - the prevalence of bar fights routinely destroyed the furniture, so the owner gave up and didn't bother to replace it.

It was good to be in a comfortable place that reminded me of America.

I also attended a funeral in Belfast. After the priest was done, the two brothers (who were burying their father), who were stinking drunk and crying their eyes out, climbed down into the grave and sobbed uncontrollably for over an hour. Once again, something I had seen in America, and it warmed my heart to know that people are the same.

There aren't really that many bar fights in Ireland unless its in a really rough area of a town or city.

Irish Wakes are great, instead of mourning someones death, we celebrate the persons life. Mourning sucks ass!!!

I was in a bar in Dublin some years ago. I noticed that there wasn't a stick of furniture in the whole place.

Rather like a bar I remember from Alexandria, Louisiana.

They had no furniture for identical reasons - the prevalence of bar fights routinely destroyed the furniture, so the owner gave up and didn't bother to replace it.

It was good to be in a comfortable place that reminded me of America.

I also attended a funeral in Belfast. After the priest was done, the two brothers (who were burying their father), who were stinking drunk and crying their eyes out, climbed down into the grave and sobbed uncontrollably for over an hour. Once again, something I had seen in America, and it warmed my heart to know that people are the same.

Yeah... we're like that :p

Yeah... we're like that :p
The wake was a great party. It appears that they did all their crying at the grave.

We here at the Nation of Cut Yo Face recognise how great it is to be Irish.
But not in the "We're all drunk" way, thats a poor inaccurate stereotype that most Irish people hate.

An American girl I met once was shocked to hear that Ireland had Newspapers, she actually thought we were stuck in the dark ages! I mean come on! The trade between America and Ireland should at least educate people aboot our state of technological development!! We're the gateway to Europe from America from a trade point of view!

Its great to Irish cuz we have fun BECAUSE we're Irish. We're a laid back nation while being economically powerful. People love coming to ireland because of the scenery and, well not the weather, thats mostly shit. We're friendly and there's not a lot of red heads, contrary to stereotypes.

That is all

i always get the ...."so your from northern ireland? hey do you guys really need sandbags on your front door and dodge gunfire?"

but agree completely man...Ireland is great...and wakes are an experience...especially donegal wakes

Yeah and then the wake you get a few drinks in and tell stories about the departed, and its always good. At my granaunts funeral I cried my heart out at the grave and at the wake we had a great time, there literally wasn't a single bad story aboot her.
Irish people came up with that!!!!
I always hear americana suggesting having Irish wakes

The wake was a great party. It appears that they did all their crying at the grave.

Try this on for size:

I was working as a barman during this 'funeral party'. The other guys working with me were : Bulgarian, Polish, Latvian and German. No one could understand what was going on- they kept turning to me to explain the atmosphere ... only then did i cop what they meant...

The guy whose funeral it was- organised the whole event a year previously to the day! :eek: And I mean everything! Music, flowers, specific drinks, the guest list... it was morbidly funny....

But anyway, the worst thing i ever got was when i was in New York and i honestly was asked..... "Oh, your from Ireland? Do you know Paul....." :(

We here at the Nation of Cut Yo Face recognise how great it is to be Irish.
But not in the "We're all drunk" way, thats a poor inaccurate stereotype that most Irish people hate.

An American girl I met once was shocked to hear that Ireland had Newspapers, she actually thought we were stuck in the dark ages! I mean come on! The trade between America and Ireland should at least educate people aboot our state of technological development!! We're the gateway to Europe from America from a trade point of view!

Its great to Irish cuz we have fun BECAUSE we're Irish. We're a laid back nation while being economically powerful. People love coming to ireland because of the scenery and, well not the weather, thats mostly shit. We're friendly and there's not a lot of red heads, contrary to stereotypes.

That is all


Does that include Irish American's that are proud of their Irish Heristage?

Because I am proud as hell to be Irish.

Does that include Irish American's that are proud of their Irish Heristage?

Because I am proud as hell to be Irish.

*Can of worms.. now officially opened*
:D

But anyway, the worst thing i ever got was when i was in New York and i honestly was asked..... "Oh, your from Ireland? Do ypu know Paul....." :(
Should've come back with something like "Oh, I've got this friend here in NY, James....have you met James. Great guy, James.....give him my best" and just walked off. That's what I usually do in situations like that.

The older generation of my family were pretty much either (a) born in Ireland and moved here when they were young or, in the case of my grandmother (the youngest) (b) born the first winter the family lived here. It's like a rite of passage in our family to go meet the McCartys in Ireland.....one that I had to give up for a symphony tour of, y'know, the rest of Europe. Fair exchange, considering I can really make it to Ireland just about any time, as opposed to 9 countries for less travel costs.....

Does that include Irish American's that are proud of their Irish Heristage?

Because I am proud as hell to be Irish.
Seconded

Yeah and then the wake you get a few drinks in and tell stories about the departed, and its always good. At my granaunts funeral I cried my heart out at the grave and at the wake we had a great time, there literally wasn't a single bad story aboot her.
Irish people came up with that!!!!
I always hear americana suggesting having Irish wakes

the great thing about the stories is that you hear stuff that you never heard about that person before...as well as stuff you shared with them as wains/kids...

you get some mad things happening too...was in a wake in rural donegal once......everyone suited and booted...whiskey going round....cigarettes in wee plates...when this wee fella storms in to say the cow was calving.....half the men were farmers and went out to deal with the new arrival

came back all washed up...still in suits saying "ah sure thats the way of it...one leaves and another arrives"
was brilliant...and slightly odd

Yea, when I was in the US (Pittsburgh) someone was surprised to learn we had cameras. And cars.

I also attended a funeral in Belfast.
You've been to Belfast?

Cool :)

You've been to Belfast?

Cool :)

Yes. That's where I was told about the coming of the fire brigades from the south after Belfast was bombed.

Was in a pub full of old guys telling stories (I think everyone else was at work).

im at uni in bangor, north wales, and theres a high proportion of irish students, and my mate irish mike (to distinguish from english mike) has got such a strong accent i seriously cant understand him.

me: alright mike?

mike: ahurrar hurrarr harrurr

me: didnt quite get that mike

and! he texts in irish, its well cool. so yes, irish people are lovely.

Ah thanks for this thing.

I'd been wondering :p

Yes. That's where I was told about the coming of the fire brigades from the south after Belfast was bombed.

Was in a pub full of old guys telling stories (I think everyone else was at work).

Did you like Belfast?

Or was that while they were still bombing the hell out of the place? :rolleyes:

Damien Duff, Roy Keane and Robbie Keane

Did you like Belfast?

Or was that while they were still bombing the hell out of the place? :rolleyes:

I was referring to the WW II story of how fire brigades from Ireland (neutral) came up and helped after the Germans bombed Belfast.

I was there in 1996. I didn't notice anything unusual going on.

It was a more lively and energetic city than I had thought it would be. But perhaps that's because I had just been across the way at Barrow in Furness, the most boring spot on the planet.

I was referring to the WW II story of how fire brigades from Ireland (neutral) came up and helped after the Germans bombed Belfast.
I, I know what you were referring to (I spent two years studying Ireland from 1930-1950 and they made a point of that), I was just asking what you thought of Belfast

I was there in 1996. I didn't notice anything unusual going on.

It was a more lively and energetic city than I had thought it would be. But perhaps that's because I had just been across the way at Barrow in Furness, the most boring spot on the planet.
Yea, Belfast now is miles ahead of what it was even in 1996. :)

Damien Duff, Roy Keane and Robbie Keane
Well its a better international association than: Alcohol, potatoes, alcohol, top o' the mornin' to ya boss, begorrah, alcohol....

So i'll take it as a compliment. :)

Yea, Belfast now is miles ahead of what it was even in 1996. :)
It struck me as a boom town atmosphere compared to Britain of the time.

Ah, yes… Ireland. My ancestral homeland… how I love it.

~ American Irish [ grandma & grandpa immigrated ] ~

I heard|rumor|that Ireland is the richest country in Europe?

~ American Irish [ grandma & grandpa immigrated ] ~

I heard|rumor|that Ireland is the richest country in Europe?
Per capitia, and i think internationally jumped from 7th to 3rd or 2nd.

We here at the Nation of Cut Yo Face recognise how great it is to be Irish.
But not in the "We're all drunk" way, thats a poor inaccurate stereotype that most Irish people hate.

An American girl I met once was shocked to hear that Ireland had Newspapers, she actually thought we were stuck in the dark ages! I mean come on! The trade between America and Ireland should at least educate people aboot our state of technological development!! We're the gateway to Europe from America from a trade point of view!

Its great to Irish cuz we have fun BECAUSE we're Irish. We're a laid back nation while being economically powerful. People love coming to ireland because of the scenery and, well not the weather, thats mostly shit. We're friendly and there's not a lot of red heads, contrary to stereotypes.

That is allThat's right, Scotlands the place to go if you want gingas....mind you most of us there have irish ancestory.

God I miss Ireland :(

Per capitia, and i think internationally jumped from 7th to 3rd or 2nd.

:cool:

Despite being from Cork originally I don't have a clue what my grandmother is saying.

American ignorance stories are nothing new, I remember someone telling me that when they lived in America they were asked if they had tv in England. My favourite must be 'where did you learn to speak English so good?' which is mind-boggling.

I was once told 'You can't be from England, your teeth are too good'.

"Doo yoou speak any english?" was the funniest thing I've heard

Yeah, just from a reply from page one, a guy saying he's "American Irish" and then saying he's proud as hell of his "Irish Heritage".
I dunno, you're American dude! Not Irish, its cool you're proud of it but I don't get American Irish people making a big deal out of it, most of them have never been to Ireland!!

One good thing is that you are always good guys in Hollywood films. I come from Sheffiled the same town as Sean Bean and he always seems to play criminal masterminds. Can any one name a bad guy with an Irish accent? Take gangs of new york, why was leonardo dicaprio good and the dutch guy an evil butcher?

Despite being from Cork originally I don't have a clue what my grandmother is saying.

American ignorance stories are nothing new, I remember someone telling me that when they lived in America they were asked if they had tv in England. My favourite must be 'where did you learn to speak English so good?' which is mind-boggling.

I was once told 'You can't be from England, your teeth are too good'.
It shames me to think that I share a country with idiots who can not only NOT know that other parts of the world speak English natively (I mean Jesus, where do they think we STARTED off from?), but that they'd also butcher the language in asking that.
where did you learn to speak English so good?
Shudder.

Yeah, just from a reply from page one, a guy saying he's "American Irish" and then saying he's proud as hell of his "Irish Heritage".
I dunno, you're American dude! Not Irish, its cool you're proud of it but I don't get American Irish people making a big deal out of it, most of them have never been to Ireland!!
Wait, so Americans can't make a 'big deal' out of it, just because they haven't been? So, even though, as I said, it's something they do with every child/young adult in my family and I had to postpone it, does that mean I'm suddenly not entitled to feeling proud to be more Irish than the average Irish American?

Well, when you put it that way, then I don't think I want to be proud of a heritage that's so inherently pig-headed.....

An American girl I met once was shocked to hear that Ireland had Newspapers, she actually thought we were stuck in the dark ages! I mean come on!

That's nothing. I had one complete moron in one of my classes who thought Ireland was full of famine, felids of nothing, kilts, and poor people. He called me an idiot for telling him he was wrong. He thinks it a 3rd world country filled with drunks.

want to be proud of a heritage that's so inherently pig-headed.....


someone needs to listen to relaxing flute music for an hour or so

Simonist']Wait, so Americans can't make a 'big deal' out of it, just because they haven't been? So, even though, as I said, it's something they do with every child/young adult in my family and I had to postpone it, does that mean I'm suddenly not entitled to feeling proud to be more Irish than the average Irish American?

Well, when you put it that way, then I don't think I want to be proud of a heritage that's so inherently pig-headed.....

Your judging your whole heritage by one guy's opinion? Thats a bit ignorant don't you think?

Your judging your whole heritage by one guy's opinion? Thats a bit ignorant don't you think?
No, I'm not judging my heritage. I'm pointing out how absolutely retarded I find his opinion by an extreme example. I'm sorry you misunderstood.

I can't understand why people get down on most Americans for having any pride in their heritage -- what, are we supposed to like OUR country more or something? It's certainly not our fault our families came over that long ago, yet we get blamed for the genetic melting pot aaalllllllll the time. Seems quite a bit ridiculous to me.

why its great to be irish , hmmm well cause i am irish and i love it , its a great country , a well off country , good at sport , and us irish are all up for a laugh , ( oh and i am a Dub , and Dublin is great , as are other citys in ireland (bloody cork going to win the league, Shels are still better ) anyway if you want to know why being irish and living in ireland is great here is the answer right here for all to see

http://www.rte.ie/business/2004/1117/ireland.html

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6529893


Ireland is ranked as the best place in the world to live ahead of America 13th and Britian 29th

Simonist']Wait, so Americans can't make a 'big deal' out of it, just because they haven't been? So, even though, as I said, it's something they do with every child/young adult in my family and I had to postpone it, does that mean I'm suddenly not entitled to feeling proud to be more Irish than the average Irish American?

Well, when you put it that way, then I don't think I want to be proud of a heritage that's so inherently pig-headed.....

I'm not saying you're not entitled to be proud but a lot of Americans whose great great grand dad was Irish claim to be Irish, thats not being Irish! Being born in Ireland and living most of your life in Ireland makes you Irish. My uncle has been living in Connecticut for 16 years and calls himself American, makes me sick, he's Irish!!!

why its great to be irish , hmmm well cause i am irish and i love it , its a great country , a well off country , good at sport , and us irish are all up for a laugh , ( oh and i am a Dub , and Dublin is great , as are other citys in ireland (bloody cork going to win the league, Shels are still better ) anyway if you want to know why being irish and living in ireland is great here is the answer right here for all to see

http://www.rte.ie/business/2004/1117/ireland.html

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6529893


Ireland is ranked as the best place in the world to live ahead of America 13th and Britian 29th

Simonist']Wait, so Americans can't make a 'big deal' out of it, just because they haven't been? So, even though, as I said, it's something they do with every child/young adult in my family and I had to postpone it, does that mean I'm suddenly not entitled to feeling proud to be more Irish than the average Irish American?

Well, when you put it that way, then I don't think I want to be proud of a heritage that's so inherently pig-headed.....

I'm not saying you're not entitled to be proud but a lot of Americans whose great great grand dad was Irish claim to be Irish, thats not being Irish! Being born in Ireland and living most of your life in Ireland makes you Irish. My uncle has been living in Connecticut for 16 years and calls himself American, makes me sick, he's Irish!!!

We here at the Nation of Cut Yo Face recognise how great it is to be Irish.
But not in the "We're all drunk" way, thats a poor inaccurate stereotype that most Irish people hate.

An American girl I met once was shocked to hear that Ireland had Newspapers, she actually thought we were stuck in the dark ages! I mean come on! The trade between America and Ireland should at least educate people aboot our state of technological development!! We're the gateway to Europe from America from a trade point of view!

Its great to Irish cuz we have fun BECAUSE we're Irish. We're a laid back nation while being economically powerful. People love coming to ireland because of the scenery and, well not the weather, thats mostly shit. We're friendly and there's not a lot of red heads, contrary to stereotypes.

That is all

I'm British but I love Ireland. I visit regularly.

I'm not saying you're not entitled to be proud but a lot of Americans whose great great grand dad was Irish claim to be Irish, thats not being Irish! Being born in Ireland and living most of your life in Ireland makes you Irish. My uncle has been living in Connecticut for 16 years and calls himself American, makes me sick, he's Irish!!!
Well, technically I'd argue that after 16 years he should probably consider himself an American. Then again, it begs the question of why he's stuck around that long.

He's totally become American, I'm not saying that in a bad way believe me! I like America, just disagree with some aspects of America. But his kids are American, he doesn't call them Irish American like he should, one of them was Born here for God's sake!!!

He went to the U.S to work and set up his own business

He's totally become American, I'm not saying that in a bad way believe me! I like America, just disagree with some aspects of America. But his kids are American, he doesn't call them Irish American like he should, one of them was Born here for God's sake!!!

He went to the U.S to work and set up his own business
Yeah, that's how my family ended up here. Stupid businesses during a stupid recession, all so the German kids in the neighborhood could beat up my dad for being Irish-ish, and my boyfriends could call me a "Mick Light".

I say we do away with classifications and just go back to colour coding. In-depth colour coding. Like, I'm "Ivory 1.5" y'know? I match well with the range from Alabaster to Natural Beige 1. 'Course if you're not a makeup artist you might not know your classification.

And I wasn't offended that you said he wasn't an American......I don't even want to be an American. I'm just waiting for marriage to get the hell out.

Well its a better international association than: Alcohol, potatoes, alcohol, top o' the mornin' to ya boss, begorrah, alcohol....

So i'll take it as a compliment. :)

Guinness, Murphy's, etc.

Cuchulain (sp?)

I didn't mean to offend anyone by what I said but sometimes people just aren't Irish! Yeah sometimes its cool to be part Irish but if someone is 1/18th Irish, thats not Irish!
So, how much Irish is in you?

I didn't mean to offend anyone by what I said but sometimes people just aren't Irish! Yeah sometimes its cool to be part Irish but if someone is 1/18th Irish, thats not Irish!
So, how much Irish is in you?
I'm just a bystander, but I have to comment: isn't this a tad national-socialist? If not, it is paradoxical: if I were to move to Ireland, I would be more Irish than a third-generation Irish-American. I mean, what would John Lennon be?

I didn't mean to offend anyone by what I said but sometimes people just aren't Irish! Yeah sometimes its cool to be part Irish but if someone is 1/18th Irish, thats not Irish!
So, how much Irish is in you?

Born in Ireland, Irish mother, Irish passport

If you moved to Ireland you wouldn't be Irish.
John Lennon was English, Born and raised in Liverpool.

"Born in Ireland, Irish mother, Irish passport"
But have you lived in Ireland all your life?
In my course in college and we talked about National Identity a lot recently so nobody take offence to any of my theories because the idea of having a nationality is just a theory really!!!

I didn't mean to offend anyone by what I said but sometimes people just aren't Irish! Yeah sometimes its cool to be part Irish but if someone is 1/18th Irish, thats not Irish!
So, how much Irish is in you?
Uhm...I was never that good at math... but... uh...
let's say... there is .... absolutely and definitely no Irish in me at all.
Meh. I can live with that :p

. He thinks it a 3rd world country filled with drunks.

Well, isn't it?

Does that include Irish American's that are proud of their Irish Heristage?

Because I am proud as hell to be Irish.

i rember a scottish comedian,he was in america doing a irish comedy gig.he askes the audience 'are there any irish aremicans in the crowd',they cheer and he says'good,cos ive never been to ireland either'

. I mean, what would John Lennon be?

Dead.

If you moved to Ireland you wouldn't be Irish.
John Lennon was English, Born and raised in Liverpool.

"Born in Ireland, Irish mother, Irish passport"
But have you lived in Ireland all your life?
In my course in college and we talked about National Identity a lot recently so nobody take offence to any of my theories because the idea of having a nationality is just a theory really!!!
Why would I not be Irish if I'd be getting Irish citizenship? Lennon was from an Irish family, if I'm not mistaken. If I am (and I might), then I'll say the same about JFK.
I agree: nationality is theory. But more than that, it is an ABSURD theory (did you check with all the people in Ireland to see for how long their families have been there? maybe they don't all qualify). Also, if language is the common ground, you people speak English (I know the reasons for that - I don't mean to say it wasn't the product of suffering etc.). And, if you were to speak "Irish", you'd have to pick one of several distinct versions (not really an issue with the Irish diaspora - in their case, it's English with or without an accent).
There you go.

While I agree its great to be Irish, and I hope to visit the motherland (Ireland) this summer. However, when you spell about like aboot, you seem to be more Canadian. Hehehehe. That was friendly.

We here at the Nation of Cut Yo Face recognise how great it is to be Irish.
But not in the "We're all drunk" way, thats a poor inaccurate stereotype that most Irish people hate.

An American girl I met once was shocked to hear that Ireland had Newspapers, she actually thought we were stuck in the dark ages! I mean come on! The trade between America and Ireland should at least educate people aboot our state of technological development!! We're the gateway to Europe from America from a trade point of view!

Its great to Irish cuz we have fun BECAUSE we're Irish. We're a laid back nation while being economically powerful. People love coming to ireland because of the scenery and, well not the weather, thats mostly shit. We're friendly and there's not a lot of red heads, contrary to stereotypes.

That is all

stop fighting,lets all get drunk and forget about this.

There are several dialects of the Irish language but in reality its a dead language and I don't mourn its passing to be honest, we now speak english, big deal. Its helped our trade and economy if anything! Did you say "Irish" is just english with an irish accent?

I just type aboot cuz its funny and I love Canada, I knew some canadians and they said it all the time and it gave me a chuckle!

One good thing is that you are always good guys in Hollywood films. I come from Sheffiled the same town as Sean Bean and he always seems to play criminal masterminds. Can any one name a bad guy with an Irish accent? Take gangs of new york, why was leonardo dicaprio good and the dutch guy an evil butcher?

Obviously you've never seen Sharpe! Sean Bean plays a true anti hero - an upstart British officer of Wellingtons army who climbed the ranks through merit, not money, and routinely destroys the French despite the odds being against him. He's also going to play one of the main characters in the upcoming Silent Hill movie, and i'm pretty sure that will be a good guy. Although it's true - the Americans are obsessed with British bad guys. I think we should consider it a compliment - the villians are always more intelligent and sexier than the good guys, plus need more talent to act ;)

As for the whole ancestry thing, I think it's pretty silly too. I'm something stupid like 1/18th Irish and I certainly don't consider myself Irish. Then again, i'm a 1/4 Welsh and don't consider myself Welsh, and 1/4 Scottish and don't consider myself Scottish.

I was born and raised in England, which makes me English. It's the same with any nationality, and it is pretty pathetic to see Americans with *very* tenuous links to Ireland, such as great grandfathers who came from there, declaring they are of true Celtic blood. Honestly, if you haven't even got a living relative who is from Ireland what link do you have to the place? By that logic, most British people could declare themselves to be German, or Italian, or French, or Scandinavian, and so on.

There are several dialects of the Irish language but in reality its a dead language and I don't mourn its passing to be honest, we now speak english, big deal. Its helped our trade and economy if anything! Did you say "Irish" is just english with an irish accent?

I just type aboot cuz its funny and I love Canada, I knew some canadians and they said it all the time and it gave me a chuckle!

dead?not really,there are still a few gaelscoils and gaelteachts about.it'll survive.

I think Ireland is great, spent a month in Dublin, never did make the trip to Belfast na zalost, everyone I met there was great, still correspond with one friend from th ere, I like people who are actually FROM Ireland better than I like some of the Americans of Irish descent.
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Balkanization is a Good Thing!

Yeah the gaelscoils are there but its dying man!! Less and less people are speaking it, very few speak it fluently anyway!

Did someone say that there was a dutchman in gangs of new york playing the Butcher?
That was Daniel Day Lewis...an Irishman

dead?not really,there are still a few gaelscoils and gaelteachts about.it'll survive.

Well it did quite well when it was illegal! I love the Irish language, was never sorry to have at least learned to read it, because the street signs are easier to read for me in Irish the letters are big in Irish and TINY in English!
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Balkanization is a Good Thing!

There are several dialects of the Irish language but in reality its a dead language and I don't mourn its passing to be honest, we now speak english, big deal. Its helped our trade and economy if anything! Did you say "Irish" is just english with an irish accent?
If you're trying to stay away from fictional representations like "Irish blood", "Irish race" or "Irish soul", you have to talk about objective criteria like language and/or citizenship.
Language: you don't have one, you have either several or none.
Citizenship: you rejected the notion, since you said I couldn't become Irish if I get it.

Don't worry - it works for several (if not, indeed, all) national identities.

Yeah the gaelscoils are there but its dying man!! Less and less people are speaking it, very few speak it fluently anyway!

Did someone say that there was a dutchman in gangs of new york playing the Butcher?
That was Daniel Day Lewis...an Irishman

well, i, for one speak it fluently. partly because my great aunt only speaks irish and doesn't understand a word of english and partly because i was one of those freaks in school who actually LIKED irish

and technically, daniel day-lewis is english....

Yeah the gaelscoils are there but its dying man!! Less and less people are speaking it, very few speak it fluently anyway!

Did someone say that there was a dutchman in gangs of new york playing the Butcher?
That was Daniel Day Lewis...an Irishman

true.we need some manner of rennaisance.only as gaeilge

Its rare that people speak Irish but its cool that she does, she's a dying breed, as are you!
A renaissance you say? It'd never work!! A noble idea but nobody would carry it! We're an international country now so English is our language

I didn't mean to offend anyone by what I said but sometimes people just aren't Irish! Yeah sometimes its cool to be part Irish but if someone is 1/18th Irish, thats not Irish!
So, how much Irish is in you?
Oh Christ, lemme think......my dad's full-blood Irish and my mum's got some Belgian in there from 4 generations back, and some English that was dashed in with the Belgian the same generation, so.......mostly Irish.

Ok, that qualifies as part Irish but then again that raises the question of WHEN does it become NOT Irish? an eighth? a sixteenth? Impossible to call

Simonist']Oh Christ, lemme think......my dad's full-blood Irish and my mum's got some Belgian in there from 4 generations back, and some English that was dashed in with the Belgian the same generation, so.......mostly Irish.
I don't think that really makes you Irish. Have you ever lived in Ireland?

Nadkor, unfortunately, I know people who wouldn't consider you Irish cuz you're in Northern Ireland, personally, I think your as Irish as I am, Born and raised in County Laois!!
When one parent is Irish I'd consider that legitimately American-Irish

When one parent is Irish I'd consider that legitimately American-Irish

even when they're not american?

Nadkor, unfortunately, I know people who wouldn't consider you Irish cuz you're in Northern Ireland, personally, I think your as Irish as I am, Born and raised in County Laois!!
When one parent is Irish I'd consider that legitimately American-Irish
Not Irish if you're from Northern Ireland? Well...the clue's in the "Ireland" half of "Northern Ireland".

The way I see it (and I'm a Unionist), Northern Ireland is part of Ireland (the island), so anybody from there is Irish.

We here at the Nation of Cut Yo Face recognise how great it is to be Irish.
But not in the "We're all drunk" way, thats a poor inaccurate stereotype that most Irish people hate.

An American girl I met once was shocked to hear that Ireland had Newspapers, she actually thought we were stuck in the dark ages! I mean come on! The trade between America and Ireland should at least educate people aboot our state of technological development!! We're the gateway to Europe from America from a trade point of view!

Its great to Irish cuz we have fun BECAUSE we're Irish. We're a laid back nation while being economically powerful. People love coming to ireland because of the scenery and, well not the weather, thats mostly shit. We're friendly and there's not a lot of red heads, contrary to stereotypes.

That is all

Ireland sounds pretty awesome, Im hoping to get over there and to the UK next summer.

Ok, that qualifies as part Irish but then again that raises the question of WHEN does it become NOT Irish? an eighth? a sixteenth? Impossible to call

I'd say if you haven't known a fully Irish close relative (I.E: Someone who was born and raised in Ireland, and spent the vast majority of their life there) then you can't claim to be Irish in any serious way.

Then again, thinking about it, my grandmother was born, raised and spent most of her life in Wales, and I know her very well - I still don't think i'm Welsh in any way.

It's a tricky thing to define. For the most part, you are the nationality that you were born and rasied in. If you insist on claiming to be part something despite never even visiting the country, then that's your buisness, but expect ridicule if you haven't even met anyone in your family who was born and raised there.

Yeah its well worth it, we're great fun!!!

I think Ireland should be reunited, but I'm not one of these english hating types, I think it would be good for the nation. Oh, but I do despise Ian Paisley...wanker

Yeah its well worth it, we're great fun!!!

I think Ireland should be reunited, but I'm not one of these english hating types, I think it would be good for the nation. Oh, but I do despise Ian Paisley...wanker
Paisley's not really a wanker...he's respected in his constituency for helping anybody out when they come to him, regardless of their religion or political persuasion. He just cranks it up on TV.

Yeah its well worth it, we're great fun!!!

I think Ireland should be reunited, but I'm not one of these english hating types, I think it would be good for the nation. Oh, but I do despise Ian Paisley...wanker

im pretty sure ian paisley will die soon.nothhing got to do with northern ireland,he's just so damned old!!!!

I'd say if you haven't known a fully Irish close relative (I.E: Someone who was born and raised in Ireland, and spent the vast majority of their life there) then you can't claim to be Irish in any serious way.
So then, by this definition, I can still claim to be Irish in a "serious way", as I'm still very close with my great-aunt and great-uncle (both born in Ireland, and Charlie was a teen before they moved over here), plus until my great-grandmother died I spent at least one day a week with her.

I say that if you can still get onto Native American Reservations with 1/18th, that should definitely be the MINIMUM cut-off. And I was under the impression that "Irish American" and "American Irish" (not hyphenated) meant an American of Irish descent. Is there really no difference betwee that and "Irish-American"? Never learned that, sorry for the mistake.

Simonist']So then, by this definition, I can still claim to be Irish in a "serious way", as I'm still very close with my great-aunt and great-uncle (both born in Ireland, and Charlie was a teen before they moved over here), plus until my great-grandmother died I spent at least one day a week with her.
To be honest mate, most people in Ireland would find that claim to be quite amusing if you haven't lived at least some of your life here.

To be honest mate, most people in Ireland would find that claim to be quite amusing if you haven't lived at least some of your life here.
To be honest, dude, it really doesn't bother me what the people in Ireland that I don't know choose to laugh at. The opinions that matter are those of my family and friends over there, and beyond that, they can bite my rump :rolleyes: None of my business who laughs at me when I'm not there to know

Simonist']To be honest, dude, it really doesn't bother me what the people in Ireland that I don't know choose to laugh at. The opinions that matter are those of my family and friends over there, and beyond that, they can bite my rump :rolleyes: None of my business who laughs at me when I'm not there to know
Ooh, touchy.

Ooh, touchy.
No, just blithe. That's pretty much the attitude I take for anybody who would tell me "Group X would be amused/laugh their asses off/ridicule you for action". I laugh at people for the wrong reasons -- everybody does it. Not my place to judge.

Besides, technically the opinions of the rest of Ireland won't matter one way or another. After I do my time there, I don't know that I'll go back except for family reunions -- I already know where I want to settle, and my husband definitely wouldn't want to go back to Ireland.

I am German America and I'm proud. Whoooooooh Go Germany the leading Euro country and 3rd best in the world. WHooooooooh!!! Germany must be strong so we dont fall into bad hands like in the 30s. GO MERKEL FOR CHANCELLOR!!!!!!!!!

I am German America and I'm proud. Whoooooooh Go Germany the leading Euro country and 3rd best in the world. WHooooooooh!!! Germany must be strong so we dont fall into bad hands like in the 30s. GO MERKEL FOR CHANCELLOR!!!!!!!!!
It strikes me as sickeningly strange for a German American to be posting on the thread on why Irish is great..... :rolleyes:

Simonist']It strikes me as sickeningly strange for a German American to be posting on the thread on why Irish is great..... :rolleyes:

You are proud of your heritage, as am I (excluding 1939-1944)

You are proud of your heritage, as am I (excluding 1939-1944)
I never said you couldn't be. I'm just saying, this isn't an all-out heritage ballyhoo, it says in the thread title exactly the point. And I wasn't complaining, I was merely commenting. Sheesh :rolleyes:

You are proud of your heritage, as am I (excluding 1939-1944)

I don't think todays germans have to be held responsible for those few years in the 30's/40's.

Simonist, how old are you, are you married, I got the impression you were like 20 or something

I don't think todays germans have to be held responsible for those few years in the 30's/40's.

Simonist, how old are you, are you married, I got the impression you were like 20 or something
Actually I'm 20 years old, I'm engaged to a great guy from Ireland who hopes to never go back, though I've never inquired as to why (it was cute, though, how the first thing his mother asked me was "You're Irish, right?" like it'd make a difference). We're going into business for three to five years here to have a base for pure income, then we're getting out of the country for some more pleasant, hopefully less angry English speaking country.

Do I seriously come off as a 20 year old? Eugh. That's a little depressing, acting ones' age.

I am German America and I'm proud. Whoooooooh Go Germany the leading Euro country and 3rd best in the world. WHooooooooh!!! Germany must be strong so we dont fall into bad hands like in the 30s. GO MERKEL FOR CHANCELLOR!!!!!!!!!
"we" being people who live in, and are from, Germany?

Simonist']
Do I seriously come off as a 20 year old? Eugh. That's a little depressing, acting ones' age.
I know what you mean, I'm 20 in *counts* four months. I'm just making the most of using the teenager excuse while I can :)

I know what you mean, I'm 20 in *counts* four months. I'm just making the most of using the teenager excuse while I can :)
Ahhh, I remember those days.

Now it's like, the benchmarks are 21 and my wedding. 21st birthday will come first, so I'm doing the whole thing like:
my mum: my kids are growing up fast
mum's friends: how old did you say jen was now?
my mum: 20, and already getting ready to leave
me (usually from the other room): 20 years, nine months! Don't forget my nine months!

Its just a gut feeling I got that you were aboot 20, I'm 20 too so its not that bad!!
Sorry I just think that being engaged at 20 is weird but if you're happy then more power to you!!
Anyway...Irishness!!!

Its just a gut feeling I got that you were aboot 20, I'm 20 too so its not that bad!!
Sorry I just think that being engaged at 20 is weird but if you're happy then more power to you!!
Anyway...Irishness!!!
It is freakin' weird, but we've been together for two years and we're not getting hitched for at least another year......

Wait, don't I get special status for marrying the real Irish BACK into my family? ;)

No, then you're just marrying Irish!
Which would make your kids
You= Half Irish, half belge (is it?)
Him= Fully Irish
Kids= 3/4 Irish

I dunno if I did that right

No, then you're just marrying Irish!
Which would make your kids
You= Half Irish, half belge (is it?)
Him= Fully Irish
Kids= 3/4 Irish

I dunno if I did that right
Actually, I think I'm 1/16th Belgian, 1/16th English, then the rest (7/8ths, right?) Irish. So my kids would be......15/16ths......fuck it, we'll call 'em Irish, if that's fine with you guys.

"we" being people who live in, and are from, Germany?

No I was speaking for Germans in Germany. The American Germans while inclined to be pro Germany during WWI, where very pro America during WWII. and I am proud of that.

No I was speaking for Germans in Germany.
Yes, but are you a German in Germany?

Simonist']Ahhh, I remember those days.

Now it's like, the benchmarks are 21 and my wedding. 21st birthday will come first, so I'm doing the whole thing like:
my mum: my kids are growing up fast
mum's friends: how old did you say jen was now?
my mum: 20, and already getting ready to leave
me (usually from the other room): 20 years, nine months! Don't forget my nine months!
Hehe, cool. I reckon I string out being young and free for a good while yet, though.

Simonist']Actually, I think I'm 1/16th Belgian, 1/16th English, then the rest (7/8ths, right?) Irish. So my kids would be......15/16ths......fuck it, we'll call 'em Irish, if that's fine with you guys.

Ok but you have to get them christened, if you believe in that, in Ireland!
Or at least bring them here to show them what they'll claim to be!!

I don't think todays germans have to be held responsible for those few years in the 30's/40's.

Simonist, how old are you, are you married, I got the impression you were like 20 or something

Exactly...because its not the same people. Yet I dont understand why todays Germans are paying reperations for something they werent even alive for. Its similar to the reperations to blacks in America...even though most people didnt own slaves because either they came after slavery or they just didnt own slaves (only a minority owned slaves because there was alot of slaves per white family). I wonder why Russia doesnt have to pay reperations to all the people that died in the gulogs and for all the anti semitism it acted it, but Germany does. I think it should either be both, or none. None of this hypocritical stuff though. What do you guys say?

Yes, but are you a German in Germany?

Nope I'm an America...I was simply showing support for the Germans in Germany so that history wouldnt repeat itself.

Ok, since I see you guys are getting technical...Well, I'm mostly German...I'm also Austrian and Prussian (I guess Prussian and German are most likely the same in this sense) I also have some Russian in me.

Nope I'm an America...I was simply showing support for the Germans in Germany so that history wouldnt repeat itself.
So why did you say "we" if you are referring to Germans in Germany without being one yourself?

I really don't get the American obsession with heritage. Nobody here runs around telling people their heritage unless you ask (and even then most don't know or care.) It's almost like you're a small bit ashamed to be American, and have to think up ways to make it seem not so bad. But I'm sure that's not how it is.

Ok, since I see you guys are getting technical...Well, I'm mostly German...I'm also Austrian and Prussian (I guess Prussian and German are most likely the same in this sense) I also have some Russian in me.
They got hella technical on me, too. 'Course, I wasn't attempting to speak for the masses of a different country. In fact....I'm pretty sure I fairly accurately bashed the individuals that I don't personally know.

Kinda shocked I didn't get a little, y'know.....flamed. Thanks for the tolerance :p

So why did you say "we" if you are referring to Germans in Germany without being one yourself?

I really don't get the American obsession with heritage. Nobody here runs around telling people their heritage unless you ask (and even then most don't know or care.) It's almost like you're a small bit ashamed to be American, and have to think up ways to make it seem not so bad. But I'm sure that's not how it is.

Nope...Its just that America is a nation of immigrants. We are proud of past, and Patriotic of our present.

So why did you say "we" if you are referring to Germans in Germany without being one yourself?

I really don't get the American obsession with heritage. Nobody here runs around telling people their heritage unless you ask (and even then most don't know or care.) It's almost like you're a small bit ashamed to be American, and have to think up ways to make it seem not so bad. But I'm sure that's not how it is.
Americans are that way because we're a forced melting pot. We have no national identity: our nation is too young for us to identify with ANYTHING but wars. It's fairly natural to either (a) try to identify with the country from which our ancestors came, or (b) feel pretty lost, or choose to look no further beyond American than the beautiful horizen, and turn into, well......Bush's kind of guy.

Simonist']They got hella technical on me, too. 'Course, I wasn't attempting to speak for the masses of a different country. In fact....I'm pretty sure I fairly accurately bashed the individuals that I don't personally know.

Kinda shocked I didn't get a little, y'know.....flamed. Thanks for the tolerance :p

LOL no problem I dont really care what other people say on this site since most of the stuff I say is usually offensive to other people. It would be very hypocritical of me ;)

Nope...Its just that America is a nation of immigrants. We are proud of past, and Patriotic of our present.
You can be proud of your past without almost sounding like you're apologising for the present. Meh, I just don't get it really. There just isn't the obsession with heritage here that there is there.

Simonist']Americans are that way because we're a forced melting pot. We have no national identity: our nation is too young for us to identify with ANYTHING but wars. It's fairly natural to either (a) try to identify with the country from which our ancestors came, or (b) feel pretty lost, or choose to look no further beyond American than the beautiful horizen, and turn into, well......Bush's kind of guy.

I like Bush. Yeah yeah I know Bush isnt the most popular on this site...but your not gonna change my view so please no flames or anything like that.

Simonist']Americans are that way because we're a forced melting pot. We have no national identity: our nation is too young for us to identify with ANYTHING but wars. It's fairly natural to either (a) try to identify with the country from which our ancestors came, or (b) feel pretty lost, or choose to look no further beyond American than the beautiful horizen, and turn into, well......Bush's kind of guy.
Fair enough, like, but like I said...we just don't have the obsession with heritage alot of Americans seem to display.

You can be proud of your past without almost sounding like you're apologising for the present. Meh, I just don't get it really. There just isn't the obsession with heritage here that there is there.

Thats because Ireland isnt a nation of immigrants.

I like Bush. Yeah yeah I know Bush isnt the most popular on this site...but your not gonna change my view so please no flames or anything like that.
That wasn't a flame, that was a stated opinion. And I'm not going to try to change your opinion, so don't put words in my mouth :mad:

Thats because Ireland isnt a nation of immigrants.
Well, it is, just not to the degree of the US.

Simonist']That wasn't a flame, that was a stated opinion. And I'm not going to try to change your opinion, so don't put words in my mouth :mad:

LOL relax I wasnt talking to you directly I was just saying after I post I like Bush I dont want any people flaming me...thats all...Calm down lol

Well, it is, just not to the degree of the US.

Well yeah, but you could say that about almost everywhere except maybe timbuktu

Well, the Irish have emmigrated to just aboot EBERY other country, America in a big way, England and Austrailia too.
Personally I like Germany so no more jibes towards those guys. I also like America. I could end up living there, I don't know yet, my life could change 100%

Well, the Irish have emmigrated to just aboot EBERY other country, America in a big way, England and Austrailia too.
Personally I like Germany so no more jibes towards those guys. I also like America. I could end up living there, I don't know yet, my life could change 100%

Hey, you like Duestchland and America, I like you. Whoooo go America!

Well yeah, but you could say that about almost everywhere except maybe timbuktu

what? timbuktu isn't a nation it's a city in mali

Well yeah, but you could say that about almost everywhere except maybe timbuktu
Yea, but I still don't see why the US takes it on so much...especially if it's not you, personally, but previous generations. I could understand it completely if it was you who was from Germany originally and called yourself a German American, but after a generation or two? Don't understand it.

what? timbuktu isn't a nation it's a city in mali

Yeah I know dude I was just trying to think of the weirdest place I could think of and say..." except (this place)" My point was that you could say the same about everywhere.

Yea, but I still don't see why the US takes it on so much...especially if it's not you, personally, but previous generations. I could understand it completely if it was you who was from Germany originally and called yourself a German American, but after a generation or two? Don't understand it.

Well, since America is a baby, we all have our past and present. We need to hold on to our past to represent our lives before America, and we cherish our present to represent life in America.

Yeah I know dude I was just trying to think of the weirdest place I could think of and say..." except (this place)" My point was that you could say the same about everywhere.

hmmmm... my mistake....

hmmmm... my mistake....

LOL no worries...Timbuktu was kinda of a weird thing to put there. :)

Well, since America is a baby, we all have our past and present. We need to hold on to our past to represent our lives before America, and we cherish our present to represent life in America.
Yea, I get that. But I just don't understand why you need to go beyond even one generation...after that should you not just be "American"?

Meh...whatever. I'm never going to understand it. I guess I'll just have to carry on watching the US with an expression of mild bemusement ;)

Yea, I get that. But I just don't understand why you need to go beyond even one generation...after that should you not just be "American"?

Meh...whatever. I'm never going to understand it.

No because before that it represents your family before America. No one's background is American. Not even the Indians...they might be North American...but not Americans. Its just Irelands been around for a long time...but Americans not...thats why its different.

Hey, you like Duestchland and America, I like you. Whoooo go America!

Yeah, the Germans know how to have a good time while being excellent at business and all that stuff, and how could I not love America!!!

SEND ME TELEGRAMS ON THE SITE ITSELF CUZ i GOTTA GO SOON!!!

Yeah, the Germans know how to have a good time while being excellent at business and all that stuff, and how could I not love America!!!

SEND ME TELEGRAMS ON THE SITE ITSELF CUZ i GOTTA GO SOON!!!

yup

No because before that it represents your family before America. No one's background is American. Not even the Indians...they might be North American...but not Americans. Its just Irelands been around for a long time...but Americans not...thats why its different.
The Republic's only been about for 80 years :p

My families background is part Irish, part Scots, part English, and part Norman (well, Scandinavian if you want to go very far back), but you don't see me running about shouting it ;)

The Republic's only been about for 80 years :p

My families background is part Irish, part Scots, part English, and part Norman (well, Scandinavian if you want to go very far back), but you don't see me running about shouting it ;)

Main you are straight from the english isles... thats crazy what do you look like?

The Republic...but the country Ireland has been around forever lol. Ireland is a geezer. :D

I've gone back like 10 generations and its all Irish but I'm sure if I went back further I might find something else

Main you are straight from the english isles... thats crazy what do you look like?
Well, Normandy isn't in the British Isles...but yea, mostly from the British Isles. Of course, that could include Saxons etc. What do I look like?

Now that would be telling ;)

The Republic...but the country Ireland has been around forever lol. Ireland is a geezer. :D
The country Ireland has only been about for 80 years! :p

Well, Normandy isn't in the British Isles...but yea, mostly from the British Isles. Of course, that could include Saxons etc. What do I look like?

I know Normandy isnt the british isles but you are MOSTLY british...atleast more than most people I know......


Now that would be telling ;)


Why cant you tell me what you look like...Im curious to know what Irish English Scott looks like....Ill tell you what I look like if you want...So you will know what a German Austrian Prussian Russian looks like.





he country Ireland has only been about for 80 years! :p

Yes people lived there before the republic!!!! on the island of ireland.

We here at the Nation of Cut Yo Face recognise how great it is to be Irish.
But not in the "We're all drunk" way, thats a poor inaccurate stereotype that most Irish people hate.

An American girl I met once was shocked to hear that Ireland had Newspapers, she actually thought we were stuck in the dark ages! I mean come on! The trade between America and Ireland should at least educate people aboot our state of technological development!! We're the gateway to Europe from America from a trade point of view!

Its great to Irish cuz we have fun BECAUSE we're Irish. We're a laid back nation while being economically powerful. People love coming to ireland because of the scenery and, well not the weather, thats mostly shit. We're friendly and there's not a lot of red heads, contrary to stereotypes.

That is all

Wait, y'all have newspapers???//////??!!!!1111111!!one!!!!!

Why cant you tell me what you look like...Im curious to know what Irish English Scott looks like....Ill tell you what I look like if you want...So you will know what a German Austrian Prussian Russian looks like.
I just look like anybody else. There aren't really any defining features.



Yes people lived there before the republic!!!! on the island of ireland.
Yea, but it wasn't a country. And, sure, people lived in North America before the US/Canada ;)

I just look like anybody else. There aren't really any defining features.

Yeah but there are characteristics....Just like I look Germanic/Nordic I was wondering what you look like.

Yea, but it wasn't a country. And, sure, people lived in North America before the US/Canada ;)

Yes but they were freaking indians not Americans....the Irish were living in Ireland before the republic.

Yeah but there are characteristics....Just like I look Germanic/Nordic I was wondering what you look like.
Well...I have brown hair and blue eyes, if that helps. There really isn't an Irish 'look', or an English 'look', or a Scottish 'look'. There just isn't, for some reason. Or maybe I'm just too used to it to see.

Yes but they were freaking indians not Americans....the Irish were living in Ireland before the republic.
Surely Native Americans were the original Americans?

Well...I have brown hair and blue eyes, if that helps. There really isn't an Irish 'look', or an English 'look', or a Scottish 'look'. There just isn't, for some reason. Or maybe I'm just too used to it to see.

I always figured there was a general characteristic for every sub race ...Germanic/slavic/british islands/nordic (although nordic and germanic are kinda the same).





[/QUOTE]Surely Native Americans were the original Americans?[/QUOTE]

No, they were North Americans...but not Americans....America is the U.S.

I always figured there was a general characteristic for every sub race ...Germanic/slavic/british islands/nordic (although nordic and germanic are kinda the same).





Surely Native Americans were the original Americans?

No, they were North Americans...but not Americans....America is the U.S.
No, AMERICA, from the very very start, is the continent cluster. The United States of America is not "America". You'll piss off tons of Central Americans, South Americans, and fellow North Americans with an attitude like that.

Simonist']No, AMERICA, from the very very start, is the continent cluster. The United States of America is not "America". You'll piss off tons of Central Americans, South Americans, and fellow North Americans with an attitude like that.

Ok...they can go cry about it....Whos more important...the sole superpower...or a bunch of illegal drug and immigrant distrubtion centers disguised as countries?

Ok...they can go cry about it....Whos more important...the sole superpower...or a bunch of illegal drug and immigrant distrubtion centers disguised as countries?
Nobody is "more important". It's that kind of attitude that makes me absolutely ashamed to be a citizen of the USA, because I, by default, get shuffled to the same ideological box as you people. It's sickening to me that I have to spend so much time defending my position to both countrymen and foreign friends.

Simonist']Nobody is "more important". It's that kind of attitude that makes me absolutely ashamed to be a citizen of the USA, because I, by default, get shuffled to the same ideological box as you people. It's sickening to me that I have to spend so much time defending my position to both countrymen and foreign friends.

We are very much so more important...have a bit of pride in your nation, have some nationalism. All countries think they are the best...so why shouldnt we?

We are very much so more important...have a bit of pride in your nation, have some nationalism. All countries think they are the best...so why shouldnt we?
I'll have some pride in my nation when it finally exemplifies something for which I can honestly be proud. Hmmmm.....hasn't happened in my adult life. Hasn't happened enough since I've been even vaguely aware of the world as a whole, rather than just the country in which I live.

Simonist']I'll have some pride in my nation when it finally exemplifies something for which I can honestly be proud. Hmmmm.....hasn't happened in my adult life. Hasn't happened enough since I've been even vaguely aware of the world as a whole, rather than just the country in which I live.

How about liberating Iraq, how about liberating kuwait, how about LIBERATING RUSSIA!!!??? Your not proud of those things?????? OK, how about inventing the internet, how about landing on the moon, how about being the sole superpower. Its people like you that make me ashamed that I share my country with you.

How about liberating Iraq, how about liberating kuwait, how about LIBERATING RUSSIA!!!??? Your not proud of those things?????? OK, how about inventing the internet, how about landing on the moon, how about being the sole superpower. Its people like you that make me ashamed that I share my country with you.
I'm not proud of the actions in Iraq because they shouldn't have happened as they did -- don't forget all the deception and politial spiting that LED UP to that. Liberating Russia? How friggin old do you think I am?! I was THREE AND A HALF when the Soviets fell. I wasn't TERRIBLY concerned with what the fuck we were doing with the rest of the world. Furthermore, that excludes the moon as well (seriously, dude, I mean.....read what I said before you fly off at me), and I was under the impression that it wasn't the doing of THE COUNTRY to "invent the internet". I also don't hold the belief that we're the sole superpower -- if you stepped out of that shallow little patrioticly-blinded box of yours, you'd see what's going ON with the rest of the world.

This is nonsense. I'm leaving this thread because all you're going to do is hate on me for being world-minded, and I'm not going to let it fall to that. Good day.

Main you are straight from the english isles... thats crazy what do you look like?


Never heard it refered to as that before :confused:

Well...I have brown hair and blue eyes, if that helps. There really isn't an Irish 'look', or an English 'look', or a Scottish 'look'. There just isn't, for some reason. Or maybe I'm just too used to it to see.


There is however a "Scouse" look ;)

How about liberating Iraq, how about liberating kuwait, how about LIBERATING RUSSIA!!!??? Your not proud of those things?????? OK, how about inventing the internet, how about landing on the moon, how about being the sole superpower. Its people like you that make me ashamed that I share my country with you.

I thought Tim Berners-Lee and CERN were generally given that credit.

Anyway, my mother's Irish (my father's Dutch). Been there lots to visit family. However I don't really feel Irish and don't claim to be so. Nor do I feel Dutch (even though I hold a Dutch Passport) or even British for that matter.

You are proud of your heritage, as am I (excluding 1939-1944)

...as if the Irish people have anything to be particularly proud of from those years themselves...

I thought Tim Berners-Lee and CERN were generally given that credit.

That would be for the world wide web and the HTTP language along with the protocols that go with it, rather than the internet, which includes all of the WWW, newsnet, gopher and suchlike.

__________

Sidenote: currently hold a British passport, but am fully entitled to an Irish one.

...as if the Irish people have anything to be particularly proud of from those years themselves...

Hey, they were neutral in name only- they helped the allies A LOT. The flagrent violations of their airspace by the Allies were overlooked, the Axix POWs were interned for the whole war, while the Allied POWs were released quietly after a few months, trade was non existent with the Axis powers and the agric. trade virtually kept Britain alive during the blockade and Battle of Britain.

So much for neutrality.

Sure they could have done a lot more- they could also have done a lot less. They had bones to pick with the British too. The whole partition thing was a sore issue with the leader of the country- who happened to be almost executed by the British 25yrs previously.

We here at the Nation of Cut Yo Face recognise how great it is to be Irish.
But not in the "We're all drunk" way, thats a poor inaccurate stereotype that most Irish people hate.

An American girl I met once was shocked to hear that Ireland had Newspapers, she actually thought we were stuck in the dark ages! I mean come on! The trade between America and Ireland should at least educate people aboot our state of technological development!! We're the gateway to Europe from America from a trade point of view!

Its great to Irish cuz we have fun BECAUSE we're Irish. We're a laid back nation while being economically powerful. People love coming to ireland because of the scenery and, well not the weather, thats mostly shit. We're friendly and there's not a lot of red heads, contrary to stereotypes.

That is all

Well, I'm a kiwi and proud to be New Zealand European and I just happen to be a 1/4 or a 1/3 Irish after the English Scottish and Welsh

Hey, they were neutral in name only- they helped the allies A LOT. The flagrent violations of their airspace by the Allies were overlooked, the Axix POWs were interned for the whole war, while the Allied POWs were released quietly after a few months, trade was non existent with the Axis powers and the agric. trade virtually kept Britain alive during the blockade and Battle of Britain.

So much for neutrality.

Sure they could have done a lot more- they could also have done a lot less. They had bones to pick with the British too. The whole partition thing was a sore issue with the leader of the country- who happened to be almost executed by the British 25yrs previously.


not to mention that its widely recognised now that a good 50% of the volunteers from the north of ireland were actually from the south

Yea, but it wasn't a country. And, sure, people lived in North America before the US/Canada ;)

how was it not a country?
if you're going by a need of a government or parliment or written constitution as a definition of "country" then if thats the case how many countries around the world have not been "countries" until fairly recently in historic terms.

Pre-norman and british interest there were various tribes, provincial kings and depending on various historians a high king who ruled all or large sections of the country....there was also a rule of law albeit differant from that of today ie brehan laws and the old druid culture....so you have belief structures, religions, customs, law, ancient buildings like new grange...

to rule ireland as not a country until the republic was formed seems odd as other countries...england, germany and many others included had monarchs and a tribal past also..

does this mean that until parliment england was not a country?

not trying to be agrerssive here it just seems an odd position

how was it not a country?
if you're going by a need of a government or parliment or written constitution as a definition of "country" then if thats the case how many countries around the world have not been "countries" until fairly recently in historic terms.

Pre-norman and british interest there were various tribes, provincial kings and depending on various historians a high king who ruled all or large sections of the country....there was also a rule of law albeit differant from that of today ie brehan laws and the old druid culture....so you have belief structures, religions, customs, law, ancient buildings like new grange...

to rule ireland as not a country until the republic was formed seems odd as other countries...england, germany and many others included had monarchs and a tribal past also..

does this mean that until parliment england was not a country?

not trying to be agrerssive here it just seems an odd position

Ireland was never a fully independent country until 1921. The country we now know as Ireland only came into existence in 1921. Before that it was not independent, it was part of the United Kingdom.

Before the British came it was a series of loosely aligned, and often warring, independent 'kingdoms'. Not a single country. Really, this arguement's been had many times.

Having a monarch or a tribal past doesn't stop Ireland being a country before 1921, not being a country stops Ireland being a country before 1921. Yes, England (for example) had a Monarch and no parliament (well, until 1215, unless you want to count the Witenagemot), but it was still a single country under one Monarch. That's the difference. England can be said to have been a united political entity from roughly the early-to mid 900's onwards, whereas Ireland never was until it was invaded and conquered by the English.

As for the High King, it is very unlikely such a position existed, although one King of a smaller area was described as "High King of Ireland" to describe his reach and influence, not his political position...much in the same way some earlier Kings of Sussex, Wessex, or Kent were described as "King of England" to describe their influence before England as a united entity existed.

That would be for the world wide web and the HTTP language along with the protocols that go with it, rather than the internet, which includes all of the WWW, newsnet, gopher and suchlike.

Ahh, OK.

Ireland was never a fully independent country until 1921. The country we now know as Ireland only came into existence in 1921. Before that it was not independent, it was part of the United Kingdom.

Before the British came it was a series of loosely aligned, and often warring, independent 'kingdoms'. Not a single country. Really, this arguement's been had many times.

Having a monarch or a tribal past doesn't stop Ireland being a country before 1921, not being a country stops Ireland being a country before 1921. Yes, England (for example) had a Monarch and no parliament (well, until 1215, unless you want to count the Witenagemot), but it was still a single country under one Monarch. That's the difference. England can be said to have been a united political entity from roughly the early-to mid 900's onwards, whereas Ireland never was until it was invaded and conquered by the English.

As for the High King, it is very unlikely such a position existed, although one King of a smaller area was described as "High King of Ireland" to describe his reach and influence, not his political position...much in the same way some earlier Kings of Sussex, Wessex, or Kent were described as "King of England" to describe their influence before England as a united entity existed.

agree to disagree then i guess.

As an Irish person I would say its great to be Irish but its even better to be from Cork.......da real capital like...ya big shower o langers! :D

As an Irish person I would say its great to be Irish but its even better to be from Cork.......da real capital like...ya big shower o langers! :D

langer is underused man...its soo feckin versatile

that radio roy clip was hilarious...you heard it?

langer is underused man...its soo feckin versatile

that radio roy clip was hilarious...you heard it?


Ah but before the Langer song came out it had only a few meanings...
Haven't heard the radio roy clip at all....wish I had now :( I'm afraid I'm living in semi obilivan at the moment!

Ah but before the Langer song came out it had only a few meanings...
Haven't heard the radio roy clip at all....wish I had now :( I'm afraid I'm living in semi obilivan at the moment!
theres a song?!!
why havn't i been told about this?

i have the radio roy thing on email but aside from that cannae help ya man

agree to disagree then i guess.

I'd have to agree with Nadkor on this one- as an entity it never existed until 1921... as a culture it could be argued to be much older.

And yes, whether they like it or not, the North is Irish- name wise :p :p

As an Irish person I would say its great to be Irish but its even better to be from Cork.......da real capital like...ya big shower o langers!

Every foreigner is thinking..." WTF..??" :eek:

I'd have to agree with Nadkor on this one- as an entity it never existed until 1921... as a culture it could be argued to be much older.

And yes, whether they like it or not, the North is Irish- name wise :p :p



Every foreigner is thinking..." WTF..??" :eek:


Yes but your not a foreigner....a foilest perhaps?? or at least you live in Ireland so you know what I'm talking about!

Yes but your not a foreigner....a foilest perhaps?? or at least you live in Ireland so you know what I'm talking about!


...

I try to escape, but they keep on reeling me back in... :eek: :D

mwahahaha

Ireland only got it's wealth because the E.U paid it and i know the irish they are nothing but sooks in australia all they ever did was rebel i cant name one rebellion that wasnt started by some drunken irishmen blaiming the world for all there bad luck when it was people like the british that kept ireland stable in the first place i mean as soon as southren ireland became independent the country fell apart there money was worthless and they slumped back
TO THE DARK AGES in the middle of 1940's irelands people lived in slums that why the population of ireland is the same as it was in the 1920's because so many people LEFT ireland because there was nothing there in the first place.

Hey, they were neutral in name only- they helped the allies A LOT. The flagrent violations of their airspace by the Allies were overlooked, the Axix POWs were interned for the whole war, while the Allied POWs were released quietly after a few months, trade was non existent with the Axis powers and the agric. trade virtually kept Britain alive during the blockade and Battle of Britain.

So much for neutrality.

Sure they could have done a lot more- they could also have done a lot less. They had bones to pick with the British too. The whole partition thing was a sore issue with the leader of the country- who happened to be almost executed by the British 25yrs previously.

Not true the commonwealth feed britain due the battle of britain ireland only did it because they knew that if they helped the axis they wouldnt stand a chance againt the british remeber there army wasnt exactly busy for the first 2 years

Ireland only got it's wealth because the E.U paid it and i know the irish they are nothing but sooks in australia all they ever did was rebel i cant name one rebellion that wasnt started by some drunken irishmen blaiming the world for all there bad luck when it was people like the british that kept ireland stable in the first place i mean as soon as southren ireland became independent the country fell apart there money was worthless and they slumped back
TO THE DARK AGES in the middle of 1940's irelands people lived in slums that why the population of ireland is the same as it was in the 1920's because so many people LEFT ireland because there was nothing there in the first place.

I'd like to respond, but I can't read something with no punctuation!

Not true the commonwealth feed britain due the battle of britain ireland only did it because they knew that if they helped the axis they wouldnt stand a chance againt the british remeber there army wasnt exactly busy for the first 2 years

And Ireland was in the Commonwealth until 1947.

They didn't help the axis because they would have no need to- there was no benefit to. Helping Britain might have resulted in unification.

I just look like anybody else. There aren't really any defining features.

Yeah but there are characteristics....Just like I look Germanic/Nordic I was wondering what you look like.

Yea, but it wasn't a country. And, sure, people lived in North America before the US/Canada ;)

Yes but they were freaking indians not Americans....the Irish were living in Ireland before the republic.

Im part English,welsh,scottish and a bit jewish and i look like anybody on the british isles even tho i am 1st generation australian

I'd like to respond, but I can't read something with no punctuation!

sorry never was my strounge point.

theres a song?!!
why havn't i been told about this?




WTF?????? Oh your not Irish are you? Or the Langer song would be instilled in your memory. It was number one for a while cos every Cork person went out and bought a copy 'for every one in the audience'

Ireland only got it's wealth because the E.U paid it and i know the irish they are nothing but sooks in australia all they ever did was rebel i cant name one rebellion that wasnt started by some drunken irishmen blaiming the world for all there bad luck when it was people like the british that kept ireland stable in the first place i mean as soon as southren ireland became independent the country fell apart there money was worthless and they slumped back
TO THE DARK AGES in the middle of 1940's irelands people lived in slums that why the population of ireland is the same as it was in the 1920's because so many people LEFT ireland because there was nothing there in the first place.


Yes Ireland gained 10 fold from joining the EEC. Yes lots of Irish went to Austrailia...which is where criminals were sent. Some of whoms only offenses were stealing a loaf of bread. Other nations were sent there too.

Fact as a nation the UK drinks more than the Irish.

Britian (prior to independance) did not keep Ireland stable....The British government severely oppressed the Irish people-surrender and regrant, grattons parliament and so on. I will say that I'm not going on a 'oh the British were mean to the Irish rant'. Its the past and its over.

Your knowledge of rebellions is quite amusing....most weren't started by drunken Irish!!

Yes in the 1940's Ireland was like a slum...heavy reliance on agricultre, no industry.....almost like Ireland was a new nation, with no money, starting off....it was! The policy of self sufficeny wasn't the best by any standards, thankfully following governments learned from previous mistakes.

Yes lots of ppl left Ireland as it wasn't the nicest place to be.

If you know the Irish then you know the finger I'm sticking up at you! :p

And do you really know every single Irish person that has existed since the 18th century? You are grouping generations and presenting them all as one.

They didn't help the axis because they would have no need to- there was no benefit to. Helping Britain might have resulted in unification.

You appear to be forgetting Plan Kathleen - the German plan for the invasion of Northern Ireland. IRA cells in the North and close to the border were to form the local support for German paratroopers. The operation was in part planned by representatives of the IRA themselves, and 5,000 men were considered ready to fight in the North. The plan was viewed by the IRA as a way of liberating the North and thus bringing about a unified 32 county state.

WTF?????? Oh your not Irish are you? Or the Langer song would be instilled in your memory. It was number one for a while cos every Cork person went out and bought a copy 'for every one in the audience'

how dare you sur!

well depending on your politics i am irish....derry to be exact
i dont remember a langer song? wtf!
Gay gave out the langer song you say?
when was this?
is it on the net?

how dare you sur!

well depending on your politics i am irish....derry to be exact
i dont remember a langer song? wtf!
Gay gave out the langer song you say?
when was this?
is it on the net?

Apologies! Politics is irrelevant (eh kind of)whatever you feel your nationality is then thats it. Maybe your either Brish or Iritish! Anyway I don't think the Langer song made it up North!

No Gay didn't do the Langer song! Can you imagine?

Anyway the words and the cords, if you play are here

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/n/natural_gas/langer_song_crd.htm

I can't remember who sang it now,

An American girl I met once was shocked to hear that Ireland had Newspapers, she actually thought we were stuck in the dark ages! I mean come on! The trade between America and Ireland should at least educate people aboot our state of technological development!! We're the gateway to Europe from America from a trade point of view!
Hey, you think you've got it bad? Search for Rick Mercer's "Talking to Americans" we live right fucking next door to them and some of them honestly think that we live in igloos year round, abandon our elderly on ice floes, recently developped electricity, recently got television et c. I had some guy from New York state ask me if I lived in an igloo. Though just before then he asked if it was cold here. In August. :rolleyes:
But yeah, there are loads of ignorant americans who make complete asses of themselves and when they travel abroad as representatives of their country, make the rest of their country look like a group of idiots.

Apologies! Politics is irrelevant (eh kind of)whatever you feel your nationality is then thats it. Maybe your either Brish or Iritish! Anyway I don't think the Langer song made it up North!

No Gay didn't do the Langer song! Can you imagine?

Anyway the words and the cords, if you play are here

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/n/natural_gas/langer_song_crd.htm

I can't remember who sang it now,

hey no sweat man was only messin anyways
i'm a border hopper so i'll stick with irish

*goes off to google the langer song*

Hey, you think you've got it bad? Search for Rick Mercer's "Talking to Americans" we live right fucking next door to them and some of them honestly think that we live in igloos year round, abandon our elderly on ice floes, recently developped electricity, recently got television et c. I had some guy from New York state ask me if I lived in an igloo. Though just before then he asked if it was cold here. In August.

re: Canada...

http://www.ealdormere.sca.org/funny_wpaper.shtml

"I hear you're from Canada," she said, nudging me with her elbow and winking one eye. "And I hear you gots a lot of snow up there, eh?" she continued with a slight but noticeable Southern drawl or accent, an accent I would later find out was from South Carolina. But that's not important...yet.

Upon hearing this, my heart soared. Saying to myself, "Thank you God, I really need this," I smiled at her and said, "Why, yes. You know it ends at the border, don't you?"

With a whimsically astonished gasp, she said, "Really?"

"Oh, yes," I assured her. "A long time ago, on the hottest day of the year, they walked the entire border and said where there was snow, that would be Canada. And where there was no snow, that would be the United States."

It continues in the same vein.

I have lived in the the United States my whole life and the only three times I've been involved in a bar/pub fights were during visits to my in-laws in IRELAND. I love the island but the people can be some nasty drunks. The fights are always full on drag out brawls with chairs, bottles, stool, glass ashtrays, empty beer kegs , etc etc etc....

THE IRISH WOULD RULE THE WORLD...IF WE DIDN'T DRINK!


Its great to be Irish, the Emerald Isle kicks ass, although I live in Belfast which kinda sucks, but the south of Ireland is amazing, really great place. North is kinda crap with all the trouble and political idiocy.

Ireland would be a fun place to live in for a while. I think I'll put that at near the top of my list, right under Germany of course.

Hey, you think you've got it bad? Search for Rick Mercer's "Talking to Americans" we live right fucking next door to them and some of them honestly think that we live in igloos year round, abandon our elderly on ice floes, recently developped electricity, recently got television et c. I had some guy from New York state ask me if I lived in an igloo. Though just before then he asked if it was cold here. In August. :rolleyes:
But yeah, there are loads of ignorant americans who make complete asses of themselves and when they travel abroad as representatives of their country, make the rest of their country look like a group of idiots.

Ok - sorry, but I have to point out that there are stupid people everywhere!

On one visit to Ireland I encountered a few. One in particular proudly told me how he was planning his first trip to the US and was going to go to Boston, then New York, then New Orleans, the Vale, Colorado to ski for a few days, and then he was going to San Francisco and take his last day and a half and take a leasurely drive down the Pacific Coast Highway to L.A. He thought it would take about 7 to 10 days to do all of that - right! I very politely suggested that he might need more time as his plans required well over 48 hours of flight time alone. He would need much more than a day to take his leisurely drive down the Coast. He was astonished! He had no idea the US was 3000 miles across. He could not get over that the filight across the US takes about the same time as the flight across the Atlantic.

Another Irish guy insisted on telling me all about American Rock and Roll. He misnamed bands and his facts were completely wrong. I smiled politely.

Then there was the Irish guy who kept insisting that the WTO was going to kick the US out of the organization. He went on and on and on America bashing while I tried to remain polite. Finally, he hollared at me that Americans were nothing but a country of Whores. I regret it now, but I broke my silence and forcefully stated that he was incorrect, that Americans were not whores; that if anything, we were the pimps and the rest of the world the whores. Of course now I regret it - but I had listened to literally hours of it! I tired of the abuse.

And don't get me started on the Canadians! I once had a Canadian girl at a party (in Buffalo) start her American bashing. "Americans don't know anything about Canada," she said. She made the mistake of asking me and my friend about Canada's nuclear energy policy - which was a hot topic at the time. Unfortunately for Miss Canada, she was actually the one that knew nothing about the nuclear energy policy. My friend had done an internship in Canada working on that very issue. The Canadian quickly left the party.

Be careful when you stereotype!

Back on topic -

Yes Ireland is great. I do love going over there. The people (well most of them), the scenery, the history, and the Guiness...

The guy who stated that the Irish economy is doing well only because of the EU is incorrect. The groundwork for the "Celtic Tiger" (a nickname for the booming Irish economy) was started in 1968 with a focus on education and technology. By 2000, close to 1000 American companies had a physical presence in Ireland. They are there because of the technology infrastructure, educated workforce, ease of assimilation, and advantageous government policies. Ireland positioned itself to become the gateway to Europe. Europe did not choose Ireland. Give 'em credit where credit is due.

Back on topic -

Yes Ireland is great. I do love going over there. The people (well most of them), the scenery, the history, and the Guiness...

The guy who stated that the Irish economy is doing well only because of the EU is incorrect. The groundwork for the "Celtic Tiger" (a nickname for the booming Irish economy) was started in 1968 with a focus on education and technology. By 2000, close to 1000 American companies had a physical presence in Ireland. They are there because of the technology infrastructure, educated workforce, ease of assimilation, and advantageous government policies. Ireland positioned itself to become the gateway to Europe. Europe did not choose Ireland. Give 'em credit where credit is due.

and as a result i have an outsourced job......god bless america

wow, i was hoping this wouldn't drudge into a political topic with flaming and stereotyping
boy how i was wrong


oh well, Ireland is pretty freaking class but since its the only country i have lived in (not including holidays and stuff), i can't really compare it to anywhere else

and yes, i am a stereotypical RED headed Irishman :p

Three Cheers for Ireland! I am psyched because I got Ryder Cup tickets for 2006! yay me!

wow, i was hoping this wouldn't drudge into a political topic with flaming and stereotyping
boy how i was wrong


oh well, Ireland is pretty freaking class but since its the only country i have lived in (not including holidays and stuff), i can't really compare it to anywhere else

and yes, i am a stereotypical RED headed Irishman :p

not sure if i was flaming or just disagreeing....thought i had bypassed that with the quick footed "agree to disagree" line as i did not want this to deteriorate to a typical irish row thread.....but if i came across that way i humbley beg forgiveness (unless he aint talking about me then i dont mind so much) either way i hope my comments were not to the detriment of the thread folks.

Its great to Irish cuz we have fun BECAUSE we're Irish. We're a laid back nation while being economically powerful. People love coming to ireland because of the scenery and, well not the weather, thats mostly shit. We're friendly and there's not a lot of red heads, contrary to stereotypes.
Ireland is not a laid back nation. The Celtic Tiger has encouraged people to adopt the American model of money-worship and 'workaholism'. Our economic prosperity has also brought with it societal breakdown and soaring suicide rates.

not sure if i was flaming or just disagreeing....thought i had bypassed that with the quick footed "agree to disagree" line as i did not want this to deteriorate to a typical irish row thread.....but if i came across that way i humbley beg forgiveness (unless he aint talking about me then i dont mind so much) either way i hope my comments were not to the detriment of the thread folks.

I must have missed something. You didn't come across that way at all to me, Gillsy.

So, anybody got any advice about any hot new clubs in Dub? Going at Christmas (have to pay our repects to my hubby's family).

Ireland is not a laid back nation. The Celtic Tiger has encouraged people to adopt the American model of money-worship and 'workaholism'. Our economic prosperity has also brought with it societal breakdown and soaring suicide rates.

I will tell you one thing I do worry about for the Irish economy; People are not saving anything! They are spending way too much on the BMW and the new house, etc. etc. Economic booms can and do end. I would hate to see Ireland become the Texas of the 80's. After the end of the oil boom and the simultaneous crash of the cotton and savings and loan industries, houses priced at $400k months earlier were being sold for $60k. It was bad.......

So if you are an Irish yuppie - be careful.

I will tell you one thing I do worry about for the Irish economy; People are not saving anything! They are spending way too much on the BMW and the new house, etc. etc. Economic booms can and do end. I would hate to see Ireland become the Texas of the 80's. After the end of the oil boom and the simultaneous crash of the cotton and savings and loan industries, houses priced at $400k months earlier were being sold for $60k. It was bad.......

So if you are an Irish yuppie - be careful.



hmm i am a Irish yuppie( well not really ) , and you must be off your head , there is not way homes here will be going for 60k lol for one we use the Euro and do to the fact that in the next few years more and more countrys will be using it will not take a big fall if something did happen to the irish economy or any single one ,and we would still get money of the E.U. to help out if it did , and why the hell do you think no one is saving , and yes everything comes to an end , but i dont think you should be worrying about all of us here in Ireland , we our a well run country at times , and our industry's and no based on something as weak as oil where the prices go up and down , most of it is large tran-national companys in Technology Pharmaceutical and Finance.

http://www.rte.ie/business/2004/1117/ireland.html

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6529893

there seems to be alot of people from germany or who like the germans on talking on this topic on why its great to be Irish ( which is nice cause i like them thanks for the guns to fight the English, nice one lads , same goes to the french ) but i just thought i would put this down as a great reason to be Irish

World Cup 2002
Germany 1 - 1 Ireland
KLOSE Miroslav (19') KEANE Robbie (92')


lol anyway hopefully we can do what we need to and get some Irish luck
and all be off to Germany for the World Cup next year to meet all our friends from around the world ( and show them how to really drink and beat them in football along the way ) ( and failing that there is always the rugby World Cup in France the in 07 lol )

http://www.rte.ie/business/2004/1117/ireland.html

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6529893

P.S Shay Given is the Best Goalie in the World

You appear to be forgetting Plan Kathleen - the German plan for the invasion of Northern Ireland. IRA cells in the North and close to the border were to form the local support for German paratroopers. The operation was in part planned by representatives of the IRA themselves, and 5,000 men were considered ready to fight in the North. The plan was viewed by the IRA as a way of liberating the North and thus bringing about a unified 32 county state.

Well i didn't want to bring that up because i'd then have to bring up 'Operation Green'- the plan to invade the Republic by the British from Northern Ireland, if the situation in the war worsened. They would take back the 3 'Treaty' ports by force to help the Atlantic routes protection from German submarine warfare. But this was shelved given the fact they were given a bloody nose 20yrs earlier by the IRB. :p and that they really couldn't expend the extra man power to occupy the entire island.
;)

A nice piggy in the middle they were :D

Well i didn't want to bring that up because i'd then have to bring up 'Operation Green'- the plan to invade the Republic by the British from Northern Ireland, if the situation in the war worsened. They would take back the 3 'Treaty' ports by force to help the Atlantic routes protection from German submarine warfare. But this was shelved given the fact they were given a bloody nose 20yrs earlier by the IRB. :p and that they really couldn't expend the extra man power to occupy the entire island.
;)

A nice piggy in the middle they were :D

Operation green was the German Plan. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gr%C3%BCn_%28Ireland%29)Operation Kathleen was part of it There was no British plan. Fair play, even if they gloated about it afterwards

Operation green was the German Plan. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gr%C3%BCn_%28Ireland%29)Operation Kathleen was part of it There was no British plan. Fair play, even if they gloated about it afterwards

Apologies- you are of course right- Operation Grun was part of the German overall plan.


But i remember doing a paper a few years ago on the feasibility of a British invasion if they got desperate enough- and J. Carroll's (academic historian) book "Ireland in the War Years" points out such a plan that was never needed in the end.

Also the charming repetoire between Churchill and De Valera show that Britain weren't too happy with the 'neutrality' of Ireland.

"the approaches which the southern Irish ports and airfields could so easily have guarded were closed by the hostile aircraft and U-boats. This indeed was a deadly moment in our life, and if it had not been for the loyalty and friendship of Northern Ireland, we should have been forced to come to close quarters with Mr. de Valera, or perish from the earth. However, with a restraint and poise to which, I venture to say, history will find few parallels, His Majesty’s Government never laid a violent hand upon them, though at times it would have been quite easy and quite natural, and we left the de Valera Government to frolic with the German and later with the Japanese representatives to their heart’s
content."

A veiled threat my ass!