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Should women be allowed to go topless in public?

I don't see why not, and for a few reasons.

Firstly, I think women who breast feed would be more comfortable when the need arose and they were in a public place. I have never had a problem with women breast feeding in public, since it is natural and babies need that nourishment.

Secondly, would it be such a big deal? Many countries allow people to sunbath and walk about nude or partially nude. It's the way you came into this world.

Clothes are just a means of control. I lived in Florida for a few years and couldn't figure why I was required to be dressed in daily 90 degree heat.

So share your thoughts. Should people be allowed in public nude or partially nude? Would you do it if it was legal?

I have no problem with it in outdoor pools or public areas adjoining bodies of water.
Other than that, if it were made completely public, we'd get used to it and it wouldn't be so arrousing anymore... :(

I have no problem with it in outdoor pools or public areas adjoining bodies of water.
Other than that, if it were made completely public, we'd get used to it and it wouldn't be so arrousing anymore... :(
Is that good enough reason to Forbid it?

Good point! Not that I find naked men arousing...they should probably wear briefs at the least since (in my opinion) the male organ is the ugliest part of the human body.

However, I think if it was less arousing, the media would have to make there mark with intelligence instead of just selling sex.

Maybe you should narrow down the area you're talking about because there sure are lots of women walking around topless in many parts of the world.

Is that good enough reason to Forbid it?Only in inappropriate areas (such as most urban areas). It most certainly shouldn't be a crime, just a misdemeanor. It's really hard to come up with a list of areas where it shouldn't be done (if only to make it more interesting when someone does do it for fun or only out of protest) ;)

My problem with nudity is that it gets too cold. >.< I have NO body fat and cold so easily. And via society's pressures and rules I feel more comfortable in a baggy t-shirt and shorts.

As the beloved Leader of Cut Yo Face I must say that personally I am not comfortable with public nudity, but around my Palace ALL ARE NUDE!!!


That is all

Aww hell nah. First of all only the following people we be nude:

1) Creepy guys
2) Fat guys
3) Creepy fat guys
4) "Well Travelled" women
5) Fat women
6) Old women
7) Creepy women
8) Retarded guys trying to pick up chicks (worth a good laugh)

Personally I can't eat with a 76year old 230lb grandma jiggling in front of me. Nor could I feel comfortable standing in line with a dude's gear inches from my ass. (Even with my pants on)

how embarassing would it be to get a boner while you're out shopping? :eek:

for that reason alone i have to say no to public nudity :P
besides, Luporum is quite right *shudders*

While as of right now I am too self conscious to partake myself I say go for it.

Aww hell nah. First of all only the following people we be nude:

1) Creepy guys
2) Fat guys
3) Creepy fat guys
4) "Well Travelled" women
5) Fat women
6) Old women
7) Creepy women
8) Retarded guys trying to pick up chicks (worth a good laugh)

Personally I can't eat with a 76year old 230lb grandma jiggling in front of me. Nor could I feel comfortable standing in line with a dude's gear inches from my ass. (Even with my pants on)

I dont know I know quite a few rather hot 20 + year olds that wouldent mind going topless

I dont know I know quite a few rather hot 20 + year olds that wouldent mind going toplessOn the beach or in public?

Aww hell nah. First of all only the following people we be nude:

1) Creepy guys
2) Fat guys
3) Creepy fat guys
4) "Well Travelled" women
5) Fat women
6) Old women
7) Creepy women
8) Retarded guys trying to pick up chicks (worth a good laugh)

Personally I can't eat with a 76year old 230lb grandma jiggling in front of me. Nor could I feel comfortable standing in line with a dude's gear inches from my ass. (Even with my pants on)


You know, when my wife and I are out swinging, we've noticed that women don't have half the trouble walking naked around a room that heterosexual men do. A lot of guys get really nervous in a room full of naked men with hardons, even if all those guys are ostensibly straight.

Having swung both ways in my youth, it doesn't bother me. And men with a modicum of maturity can handle it. Obviously, if you're bothered by a naked man with his erect geart inches from your ass, you're not going to get hard in a swinger's club, and you won't get to enjoy any of the women there.

It's not like they're going to stick it in you. And as for the 230lb grandma, you can always change seats, or eat somewhere with a better view.

Should women be allowed to go topless in public?

I don't see why not, and for a few reasons.
Clothes are just a means of control. I lived in Florida for a few years and couldn't figure why I was required to be dressed in daily 90 degree heat.

So share your thoughts. Should people be allowed in public nude or partially nude? Would you do it if it was legal?
I would support public nudity, but probably wouldn't go nude in public myself. Not that there's anything wrong with my body ( actually, I'm in great condition for a man my age! :p ), but because when I grew up modesty was a virtue and I suppose I have some of that left. ;)

Actually, public nudity might have some beneficial effects. I suspect we would be less obsessed with what are called "perfect bodies," since not many skinny models with big boobs hang out in public places. We might actually begin to realize that our bodies are ok and not objects of shame.

Hell yes. Next issue.

Having swung both ways in my youth, it doesn't bother me. And men with a modicum of maturity can handle it. Obviously, if you're bothered by a naked man with his erect geart inches from your ass, you're not going to get hard in a swinger's club, and you won't get to enjoy any of the women there.

You don't need to be naked to enjoy females in a club. Also I only swing one way so I'm a little less comfortable around another dude's gizmo. Doesn't mean I'm less mature, just means I dislike unfamiliar penises (plural of penis = penii? :D)

It's not like they're going to stick it in you.

I'm not even worried about that because if I even felt the least bit violated someone's going to get a foot up their naked ass. Ever hear of Fruetterism (sp?)

And as for the 230lb grandma, you can always change seats, or eat somewhere with a better view.

Why should I change my seats?

Being a hard-core libertarian, I say, "Sure, why not?" On the other hand, part of me says "No way!" I mean, think about it! You wouldn't want to see 500 lb. women with drooping breasts and huge scaly nipples waddling around in public topless, would you? :eek:

Maybe you should narrow down the area you're talking about because there sure are lots of women walking around topless in many parts of the world.

I specifically meant the US. Sorry, I meant to put that in the original post.

[QUOTE=Laerod]I have no problem with it in outdoor pools or public areas adjoining bodies of water.
Other than that, if it were made completely public, we'd get used to it and it wouldn't be so arrousing anymore... :([/QUOTE

Very true actually. After being around it, you begin not to notice people are naked anymore.

Eh. Why the hell not. I always feel more comfortable when I have to whiz and just whip it out in the street and go. (I usually do THAT at night, though, when I'm out.) Once people get used to girls and guys having the freedom to walk around topless and people just whipping it out or girls hiking their skirts right in the road to go, nobody will think any the worse of it.

Of course, I wouldn't necessarily go to Sears Roebuck nude browsing in the aisles, and I'd probably laugh at anyone who did, but that only strengthens my case. Legalizing public nudity won't cause an explosion in it over the long term, hardly anybody actually wants to do it. Laws against it aren't reducing it at all, people's over-conservative values are. Since when have laws stopped people from smoking pot if they want any? The same applies to public nudity.

You can get more information on the subject from Ain't Nobody's Business if you Do by Peter McWilliams.

Actually, public nudity might have some beneficial effects. [QUOTE]
I suspect we would be less obsessed with what are called "perfect bodies," since not many skinny models with big boobs hang out in public places. We might actually begin to realize that our bodies are ok and not objects of shame.

You bring up a excellent point Eutrusca. I had known this before I started going to nudist resorts. After I had gone it just hammered the point home. Appart from this, it has the added benefit of accepting oneself as you are.

I see people bringing up not wanting to see old/fat people nude. To be honest, it's really no different than seeing them with clothing on. You really do find out quickly that size/age does not matter and you no longer notice it.

Speak of nudity, get LP into this thread!

[QUOTE=Eutrusca]Actually, public nudity might have some beneficial effects.

You bring up a excellent point Eutrusca. I had known this before I started going to nudist resorts. After I had gone it just hammered the point home. Appart from this, it has the added benefit of accepting oneself as you are.

I see people bringing up not wanting to see old/fat people nude. To be honest, it's really no different than seeing them with clothing on. You really do find out quickly that size/age does not matter and you no longer notice it.

Speak of nudity, get LP into this thread!
LOL! Yeah! Where IS that psychologically challenged dweeb? :D

:p

It won't make a difference. They fought and won the right here...and we almost never see topless chicks... It's just the principle of the matter.

No. Public nudity should be banned. The NHS is overstretched as it is, without hypothermia exacerbating the problem.

Besides, young men wouldn't go out anymore. Too embarrassing… I'm sure you see what I'm driving at… :eek: sudden flow of blood.

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It's not like they're going to stick it in you. And as for the 230lb grandma, you can always change seats, or eat somewhere with a better view.


And bring wipes in case she was sitting in your seat before you...

just imagine how unsanitary places would become? I mean, it kind of rules out upholstery anywhere.

sorry. but while it would make walking fun (and driving dangerous... think of all those distractions. :D ) there are just some bodies that really shouldn't be revealed to the public... mine being one of em.

How about some sort of public nudity license, i.e. you have to be at a certain attractiveness level to go around nude? That would eliminate the old people but still allow hot chicks.

I don't see any problem with public nudity, even though I probably wouldn't do it myself -- unless it was over 40°, in which case I'd stay in with the AC running anyway. ;P And personally I don't care if ... certain people ... decide to go around without clothes. No, I wouldn't really want to see them, but you don't have to look. Really. ;)


...Or I don't, anyway. :p

No. Public nudity should be banned. The NHS is overstretched as it is, without hypothermia exacerbating the problem.

Besides, young men wouldn't go out anymore. Too embarrassing… I'm sure you see what I'm driving at… :eek: sudden flow of blood.

I thought you were "above" becoming sexually excited?

And I'm sure people would be smart enough to protect themselves from the elements. If not, they deserve hypothermia in appendages they shouldn't use if they're that dumb.

How about some sort of public nudity license, i.e. you have to be at a certain attractiveness level to go around nude? That would eliminate the old people but still allow hot chicks.
But who determines the attractiveness level? It's all a matter of opinion.

But who determines the attractiveness level? It's all a matter of opinion.

It'd be difficult to arbitrate. I'm thinking numerous different standards of which the applicant only needs to meet one. The officials who arbitrated this sort of thing would have to be elected. It would be complicated, but amusing.

I thought you were "above" becoming sexually excited? It wouldn't apply to me, as I have no intention of going out nude. In fact, all the teenagers would become rebels and go around in trenchcoats - it's the way society works.

And I'm sure people would be smart enough to protect themselves from the elements. If not, they deserve hypothermia in appendages they shouldn't use if they're that dumb. L-O-L!

As usual, my answer is "yes, but..."

First of all, I don't see a problem with being topless, or completely nude. I wouldn't force anyone to see ME nude (you don't wanna... you certainly don't wanna, trust me!), but if you want to be naked, have fun!

There are certain limits though. First and foremost, you have no RIGHT to be nude EVERYWHERE. In public places, ok. But if someone decides you have to be clothed to enter his home, it's his right to demand that. That includes religious groups and religious places (I can see certain churches where it would cause an uproar if you DEMANDED you can go there nude) as well as for example restaurants.

Some restaurants have a dress code, for obvious reasons. You know the old "no shoes, no shirt..." slogan, and it's their right to demand that, in turn.

So public nudity, yes. But not enforced nudity. In your place, your house, your church, your restaurant, your store, you have every right to demand from people to wrap themselves in whatever you see fit. Hell, if you insist, you could go ahead and demand that everyone has to wear a pink pyjama to come into your home! :)

I thought you were "above" becoming sexually excited?

And I'm sure people would be smart enough to protect themselves from the elements. If not, they deserve hypothermia in appendages they shouldn't use if they're that dumb.LOL... I can see socks being sold in 3's instead of Pairs.

Well, people have been going on at the old people a lot, but how about the other end of the scale ? Wouldn't general public nudity allowances be bad for young children ? Especially the sortof 10-15 age group that the dodgy blokes in trenchcoats and big hats seem to like.

Plus well, it is silly, like someone else said, also unsanitary, and dangerous, who'd want the ol' mighty sword to get burned or something ?

Should women be allowed to go topless in public?

I don't see why not, and for a few reasons.

Firstly, I think women who breast feed would be more comfortable when the need arose and they were in a public place. I have never had a problem with women breast feeding in public, since it is natural and babies need that nourishment.

Secondly, would it be such a big deal? Many countries allow people to sunbath and walk about nude or partially nude. It's the way you came into this world.

Clothes are just a means of control. I lived in Florida for a few years and couldn't figure why I was required to be dressed in daily 90 degree heat.

So share your thoughts. Should people be allowed in public nude or partially nude? Would you do it if it was legal?

I think it's a great idea, although I suppose it depends on the particular boobs in question. The thought of some people I know in the nude is a scary one. For that matter, I'm pretty scary in the nude.

As for going topless - if it were legal, I might try it at some point, but probably not. I'm a bit stuck on modesty for that. However, I do think it should be legal. Men can go topless - I see no reason that I cannot other than the fact that some idiots have decided that, being female, my breasts are somehow "dirty". I still wouldn't expect to go topless to a nice restaurant, or be allowed in to a "no shoes, no shirt, no service establishment," or anything like that. I would expect that I could do the same thing a man can - walk down the street topless, be out on the beach topless, go into an establishment that does allow it.

As for completely nude - on the beach and other places where you aren't sharing seats and things, I would say it should certainly be legal. I am a bit more iffy in more public places. For instance, on a public bus, I would expect that they require at least underwear, unless they are going to provide seat covers individually to each person who uses the bus. A woman who is menstruating, even if she uses tampons, often needs a pad as well (as tampons aren't really leak-proof). Anyone who doesn't wipe well can leave something behind. And there are simply liquids and such that are always found in these areas - and they don't go away. hehe =)

But who determines the attractiveness level? It's all a matter of opinion.

Yes, exactly. ;)

Plus well, it is silly, like someone else said, also unsanitary, and dangerous, who'd want the ol' mighty sword to get burned or something ?

Well, in the resorts everyone must bring thier own towel to sit on. This keeps everything sanitary.

Well breasts are all good and proper in their place, but they shouldn't be on display.

compulsory toplessness at all times!!!!!!! just my opinion, today is national sexist day btw...

compulsory toplessness at all times!!!!!!! just my opinion, today is national sexist day btw... You wouldn't want to see me topless. I don't have breasts, for a start.

im male and yes i have boobies, i was walking round topless in Glasgow the other night and had a cracking time, my nipples could cut glass though :p but i still had fun, now i just want to spread the joy and im horny but spread the joy is more important.

Should women be allowed to go topless in public?

I don't see why not, and for a few reasons.

Firstly, I think women who breast feed would be more comfortable when the need arose and they were in a public place. I have never had a problem with women breast feeding in public, since it is natural and babies need that nourishment.

Secondly, would it be such a big deal? Many countries allow people to sunbath and walk about nude or partially nude. It's the way you came into this world.

Clothes are just a means of control. I lived in Florida for a few years and couldn't figure why I was required to be dressed in daily 90 degree heat.

So share your thoughts. Should people be allowed in public nude or partially nude? Would you do it if it was legal?

Balipo -- Does the WNY in your profile mean Western New York?

Because if it does, in 1992 there was a ruling that in New York State parks (not walking down the street) women can legally go topless as can a man. This was challenged recently by some women walking down the street in Moravia. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050919/NEWS01/509200305/1032/LIVING Thing is, that ruling (and I'll be damned if I can find something about it online right now, but I do remember when it happened) applied only to the State Parks.

I've been to topless and nude beaches in other countries, and really, it's just not that big a deal. You'll probably notice that if you go to a park in New York State that there aren't a whole lot of women with their breasts exposed. That's because most guys here wouldn't be able to handle themselves with much maturity about it, or at least there would be someone being obnoxious about it. Here it's 'attracting attention'. I don't go to State Parks to draw onlookers, so the chances of me doing it here are nil.

As for people who have problems with women who breastfeed in public, I think they are probably repressed beyond any help.

I think it'd probably be good for people not to be completely nude all the time, as in underwear for your lower half. Mainly just for hygiene reasons, since you tend to sit a lot of places in the course of a day and it's probably not that good idea to sit your bare ass on a place that's been in contact with who knows what else.

Other than that... I think people should be able to decide what they do, or do not want to wear at home and in general in public. Specific institutions can have dress codes if they want.

I personally would probably never go completely nude, I'd likely still wear pants almost all the time. But there're times in the summer when I would like nothing better than to just shuck off my shirt, and possibly bra. Damn double-standards with guys being allowed to go topless... I don't even get that. I mean, girls have nipples, guys have nipples... Just because women have a bit more bulge there than most guys we have to wear shirts all the time? Phaw!

I have no problem with it in outdoor pools or public areas adjoining bodies of water.
Other than that, if it were made completely public, we'd get used to it and it wouldn't be so arrousing anymore... :(
I hope you are joking, I mean it's hardly fair to discriminate against females (going topless) just to add titilation to your personal sex life...

Personally I can't eat with a 76year old 230lb grandma jiggling in front of me.
Well then you could simply close your eyes while you eat, or eat somewhere else. I really dont think that females should be discriminated against because of your visual hangups...there are some pretty ugly hair covered man-boobs out there, if men can go topless without everyone being sufficiently put off their food to cause an outbreak of malnutrician, then I dont see why it should be a problem for females....what's good for grandpa should be fine for grandma...

how embarassing would it be to get a boner while you're out shopping?
The problem with this is you are making an entire gender responsible for your boner....surely you ought to be in charge of that!

The fact is if it were common for females to go topless it wouldnt cause anymore supermarket boners than a really nice pair of legs being shown off in a mini skirt. Going back to Laerod's comments, I know many men who find female legs arrousing (and also a few females too) and many females who find males' chests arrousing (and a few males too). Both female legs and male chests are permitted to be 'bare' in public and yet both retain their attraction for the opposite sex, and for the most part we dont see too many guys walking about the supermarket crouched over because they dont want anyone to see their boner. If something that was once in many societies (eg Western) hidden away, and would have in the normal course of events raised a boner if shown only a few hundred years ago (eg female legs), can be bare in public without causing constant supermarket boners, and whilst still remaining arrousing to many people, then I dont see why the same cannot be true of women's breasts.

I suspect we would be less obsessed with what are called "perfect bodies," since not many skinny models with big boobs hang out in public places.
Even if they did (hang out in public places), the benefits would still be there. The problem isnt seeing 'atypical' breasts, but rather not enough exposure to 'typical' breasts. The problem with breasts being pretty much 'taboo' is that a lot of people get more exposure to atypical breasts (through the media) than they do 'normal' breasts. When you are constantly confronted with a particular standardised archtype, you start to think that is normal. When I was growing up, breasts shown in the media were 'normal', that is to say they came in a variety of shapes and sizes and one usually slightly bigger than the other. You see media pics of breasts now and they could all be the same, slightly different sizes and colouring of the skin, but all the same shape, hung at the same angle, all standardised. You gotta wonder if young girls actually think that shape (you now the beach ball under chin look) is normal rather than deviant (from the unaltered 'norm'). No wonder so many women get 'breast jobs' they probably think they are simply bringing their body 'up to scratch' when in fact the shape people seem to perceive as 'normal' these days is actually kind of freakish.

"No way!" I mean, think about it! You wouldn't want to see 500 lb. women with drooping breasts and huge scaly nipples waddling around in public topless, would you?
Why not? Plenty of people throughout time and space have habitually not included any covering of women's breasts in their usual clothing, they dont appear to have suffered any particular trauma as a result. We allow men with hairy man-boobs and bad skin, to walk about topless, I dont see that as any less pleasing to the eye than large women with drooping breasts and poor skin (be it their nipple or not).


Well breasts are all good and proper in their place, but they shouldn't be on display.
Their place is on the chest area, uncovering them wont change that. Not covering something is not synomonous with having it 'on display'.

I think females should be able to go topless in the same places and situations where it is appropriate for males to do the same.

Balipo -- Does the WNY in your profile mean Western New York?

Because if it does, in 1992 there was a ruling that in New York State parks (not walking down the street) women can legally go topless as can a man. This was challenged recently by some women walking down the street in Moravia. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050919/NEWS01/509200305/1032/LIVING Thing is, that ruling (and I'll be damned if I can find something about it online right now, but I do remember when it happened) applied only to the State Parks.

I've been to topless and nude beaches in other countries, and really, it's just not that big a deal. You'll probably notice that if you go to a park in New York State that there aren't a whole lot of women with their breasts exposed. That's because most guys here wouldn't be able to handle themselves with much maturity about it, or at least there would be someone being obnoxious about it. Here it's 'attracting attention'. I don't go to State Parks to draw onlookers, so the chances of me doing it here are nil.

As for people who have problems with women who breastfeed in public, I think they are probably repressed beyond any help.


It does mean WNY. However, the ruling, when tested, wasn't upheld, and women who tried were ticketed. So the toplessness at NY beaches (most of which are state parks) has subsided rather quickly.

And a good point about "yokels" and the treatment women would get should they go topless in this area.

Short Answer:
No.

Normal Answer:
Fuck No, and the first 300 pd 76 yr old (of any gender) I see stepping out with no covering is going to be sent to their maker forthwith.

Long Winded Answer, that shouldn't be neccesary but probably would be required anyway:
First, of course, is the fact that anything I see affects me. No I don't care what you do with your time, but what I see will affect my health, my sanity, and my photo graphic memory. Am I going to gouge out my eyes so that you can wander around naked? What do you think. And people who say "Oh, just look away." are completely inane. What if I am surrounded? What if I am walking? I can't look away, I might touch something.

Secondly, why should people be allowed to display their bloated malformed soon to be (in at least a century) carcasses in public? Religious causes are denied access to public property, so why should Butt Ugly Gump and Gumpina be allowed? A world that says that public displays of Jesus are right out, but allows them *points out at the great unwashed* to display their boobies (and note, some of those unwashed are men. They still have boobies that are occasionally larger than the unwashed women. Reason #457 that there is no kind, loving god) is one that has gone so far from any sense of sanity that it must be destroyed. After all, Buddhists walking by public displays Ten Commandments could have closed their eyes, and they would have suffered no where near the amount of distress Public Nudity will cause even if they had looked.

Thirdly, we live in a world with people. Some of these people are insane. These insane people have been known to grab parts of people in public places. Even with the one person was a man and the other person was a me and the part was my ass and the place was the NY Subway. Now, if you let those people waltz about naked, do you think that they only organ that starts "accidentally" brushing people is their hand? "Oh, look what just happened by accident." My ass, and it will be our asses. Now, people oppose guns because guns facilitate murder, well doesn't having your sausage already swinging in the breeze facilitate rape?

Fourthly, the Human Body is a house of horrors, filled with disgusting sights, yes, but also with the potential for death everywhere. Most places you work out require you to wipe the sweat off after you (OK, so the only place I ever worked out required me to do that), are people inconsiderate enough to waddle out revealing all that was meant to be covered going to considerate enough to wipe down their bus seats? I doubt it. People like to mention places in the past where people wandered about naked peeing in the streets, I seem to remember that those places also had disease, plagues and stuff. No thanks, I'll pass.

Finally, we live in a world of cities. In this world of cities, people are often crammed together to fit in subways, use train seats immediately after another gets out, brush by in the streets, etc. With mandatory clothing, this isn't a problem, Layers of fabric and cotton keep anything crucial from touching me. In your hell land of public nudity, somethings may touch me causing some people to have to die and a few families to be destroyed. This won't be good for anyone.

EDIT: Sorry about the length, but I think that I covered every base possible

Should women be allowed to go topless in public?

I don't see why not, and for a few reasons.

Firstly, I think women who breast feed would be more comfortable when the need arose and they were in a public place. I have never had a problem with women breast feeding in public, since it is natural and babies need that nourishment.

Secondly, would it be such a big deal? Many countries allow people to sunbath and walk about nude or partially nude. It's the way you came into this world.

Clothes are just a means of control. I lived in Florida for a few years and couldn't figure why I was required to be dressed in daily 90 degree heat.

So share your thoughts. Should people be allowed in public nude or partially nude? Would you do it if it was legal?

Only Hot Girls should be allowed to go naked. And for them, it should be mandatory.

Heck I only pants because years of office jobs have given my legs and eery pasty complextion.

I HEART MULTICHOICE.

Only Hot Girls should be allowed to go naked. And for them, it should be mandatory.Unfortunatly, the Definition of "hot" varies... some may find a 300 lb 76 yr old woman "hot" and HP fiddlebottoms will send that poor lady to an ... well not early but definately a grave. ;)

First of all, it's a matter of understanding how nudity fits in with crime in the first place. It's not nudity that is the crime, it's lust. The problem is that you can't effectively punish people for having lustful thoughts, so the only alternative is to remove the objects of lust from the equation.

Basically, nudists are not the criminals. It's everyone else that sees them.

First of all, it's a matter of understanding how nudity fits in with crime in the first place. It's not nudity that is the crime, it's lust. The problem is that you can't effectively punish people for having lustful thoughts, so the only alternative is to remove the objects of lust from the equation.

Basically, nudists are not the criminals. It's everyone else that sees them.the George Carlin Rebuttle.

"I once wondered if there were more rape crime at the equator or at the north pole. I'm talking percentage per population... Well most people say at the equator because it's hot so women wear bikini's and guys can see their T!#$ and there's alot of f#@king going on. I say That's why there is less Rape at the equator, because there's a lot of F#@KING going on... how many people live at the equator, and how many eskimoes are there... A couple thousands... they're not getting Laid up there, men are horney, fustrated and *POP* something gives..." :D

Short Answer:
No.

Normal Answer:
Fuck No, and the first 300 pd 76 yr old (of any gender) I see stepping out with no covering is going to be sent to their maker forthwith.

Long Winded Answer, that shouldn't be neccesary but probably would be required anyway:
First, of course, is the fact that anything I see affects me. No I don't care what you do with your time, but what I see will affect my health, my sanity, and my photo graphic memory.
And so? There are plenty of things I dont like to see, but that's life in a society. If your sanity would be negatively effected by seeing a couple of breasts, well, honestly, how robust can your sanity be if that's all it takes?

Am I going to gouge out my eyes so that you can wander around naked?
The question is should women be able to able to be topless not naked.

What do you think. And people who say "Oh, just look away." are completely inane. What if I am surrounded? What if I am walking? I can't look away, I might touch something.
Ooh, you might get girl germs! Oh the horror!

Secondly, why should people be allowed to display their bloated malformed soon to be (in at least a century) carcasses in public? Religious causes are denied access to public property, so why should Butt Ugly Gump and Gumpina be allowed?
I dont see how the two are related.
None the less religious causes are not denied access to public property.

A world that says that public displays of Jesus are right out, but allows them *points out at the great unwashed* to display their boobies (and note, some of those unwashed are men.
What world are you referring to? Many places in the world have no prohibition on the public display of Jesus. If you wish to publically display Jesus, who or what exactly is stopping you; do you live in some kind of theocratic state or something?

They still have boobies that are occasionally larger than the unwashed women. Reason #457 that there is no kind, loving god) is one that has gone so far from any sense of sanity that it must be destroyed.
What? :confused:

After all, Buddhists walking by public displays Ten Commandments could have closed their eyes, and they would have suffered no where near the amount of distress Public Nudity will cause even if they had looked.
I dont see the relevence. Where exactly are you living that you cant display the Ten Commandments in public and what the heck has that got to do with clothing?

Thirdly, we live in a world with people. Some of these people are insane. These insane people have been known to grab parts of people in public places. Even with the one person was a man and the other person was a me and the part was my ass and the place was the NY Subway. Now, if you let those people waltz about naked, do you think that they only organ that starts "accidentally" brushing people is their hand?
Naked and topless are not synomonous.

"Oh, look what just happened by accident." My ass, and it will be our asses. Now, people oppose guns because guns facilitate murder, well doesn't having your sausage already swinging in the breeze facilitate rape?
Not to my knowledge. Choosing to rape someone facilitates rape. Either way, why would women being subject to the same freedoms with regards to being topless cause sausages to be swinging in the breeze?

Fourthly, the Human Body is a house of horrors, filled with disgusting sights, yes, but also with the potential for death everywhere. Most places you work out require you to wipe the sweat off after you (OK, so the only place I ever worked out required me to do that), are people inconsiderate enough to waddle out revealing all that was meant to be covered going to considerate enough to wipe down their bus seats?
Meant to be covered? The fact that you are accustomed to a particular thing does not mean that it is 'meant to be' that way. Your are more likely to catch your death handling something someone has touched with their hands, than handling someone someone has touched with their naked upper torso.

I doubt it. People like to mention places in the past where people wandered about naked peeing in the streets,
Do they?
I seem to remember that those places also had disease, plagues and stuff. No thanks, I'll pass.
That would hardly be suprising if people were peeing in the street. Can you by chance specify what places you are referring to?

Finally, we live in a world of cities. In this world of cities, people are often crammed together to fit in subways, use train seats immediately after another gets out, brush by in the streets, etc. With mandatory clothing, this isn't a problem, Layers of fabric and cotton keep anything crucial from touching me. In your hell land of public nudity, somethings may touch me causing some people to have to die and a few families to be destroyed. This won't be good for anyone.
If you think you will die because a naked torso touches you, you are mistaken, if you are implying that you would kill because a naked torso touched you, you really shouldnt be out on the streets unescorted anyway...they have padded cells for people characterised by excessive and irrational violence...I sincerely hope your comments are hyperbole rather than an actual reflection of your 'stability'... :(

the George Carlin Rebuttle.
<snip>

Just trying to save space. Your point is well taken. Actually, I view it as more of a reinforcement of the ideas than a rebuttal.

Well then you could simply close your eyes while you eat, or eat somewhere else. I really dont think that females should be discriminated against because of your visual hangups...there are some pretty ugly hair covered man-boobs out there, if men can go topless without everyone being sufficiently put off their food to cause an outbreak of malnutrician, then I dont see why it should be a problem for females....what's good for grandpa should be fine for grandma...

I never said ANYONE could go topless/naked. Fine, next time you're at a nice resturaunt I'll walk in ass naked, drop something, bend over and fart right in your damn face. So much for visual hangups eh?

The human body isn't a perfectly clean machine. Not everyone wipes, you remember that next time your standing in line and someone farts. You can thank pants and underwear for taking a "bullet" for ya.

Be nude on your own time in your own place.

I would never go out in public naked for two reasons:

1) Trust me, NO ONE wants to see that. :eek:

2) I live in Maine. Guys, you think it shinks in cold water? Imagine what would happen at -30! :eek:

I"m all for public nudity. :fluffle: :D

The sooner we repeal the puritanical laws banning it, the better.

I never said ANYONE could go topless/naked.
It's already quite fine for men to be topless in public. Having not come across your explicit objections to this fact, I cant see why females being topless would be any more worth your effort objecting to than male toplessness has been previously.

Fine, next time you're at a nice resturaunt I'll walk in ass naked, drop something, bend over and fart right in your damn face. So much for visual hangups eh?
In the first place you do realise the difference between topless and naked surely? In the second place a fart is not visual and if you are in a habit of farting around people when they eat, well that's not very nice, but I note that it isnt illegal...frankly I'd rather see naked upper torsos than put up with some smelly bugger farting, but I certainly dont expect anyone to get arrested for farting.

The human body isn't a perfectly clean machine. Not everyone wipes, you remember that next time your standing in line and someone farts. You can thank pants and underwear for taking a "bullet" for ya.
Can we just clarify a fact that appears to be going over people's heads? Topless means without a top, i.e. a bear upper torso, this is not the same as naked. As it happens it is already legal for people to go about the place topless, how many times has this resulted in you taking a 'bullet'? Well I'm thinking since female 'bullets' come out of the same orifice as male 'bullets' and since the wearing of a top or not has no effect on their being caught, that you would as safe from 'bullets' if women were allowed to be topless just as men are, as you currently are now...

Be nude on your own time in your own place.
Nude means to not have any clothing on, topless means to not have a top on...it's not exactly a difficult distinction to make...you know how when you go to the beach on a hot day and you see the nipples of other men, and yet you dont necessarily have any of them bending over and shoving their naked arse in your face before farting while simultaneously letting loose with a 'bullet'? This is what we are talking about except with females....I dont know what ideas you've got about the female form, but trust me, they dont fart out of their breasts...and in case you got the wrong idea from an Austin Powers movie, their breasts do not come loaded with bullets....

I"m all for public nudity. :fluffle: :D

The sooner we repeal the puritanical laws banning it, the better.

My only concern is that someone will take you seriously. With all the concerns about terrorism and concealed weapons, nudity in public places may become mandatory.

Yo mama so nasty she made speed stick slow down.

Let me just clarify my stance.

Niether gender should be allowed to be topless. Fine, since women can't do it the neither can men. However, remember that breasts are viewed as sexual in our society whereas man boobs aren't. That's probably the biggest con to topless equality.

Since there are people in this thread promoting full blown nudity. I'm simply building an arguement against them. In the process I managed to cross nudity and topless.

Let me just clarify my stance.

Niether gender should be allowed to be topless.
I dont see any reason why.

Fine, since women can't do it the neither can men.
However, remember that breasts are viewed as sexual in our society whereas man boobs aren't.
Er, plenty of people find men's upper torsos sexually stimulating. In our society many things are viewed as sexual, for instance female legs are considered to be sexual. The only difference our society is now accustomed to seeing female legs. Why is our society accustomed to this? Because it happens. No other reason, it certainly wasnt considered proper in Victorian times...

That's probably the biggest con to topless equality.
No, it's a barrier and an unreasonable one. If every female body part that society considered sexual were covered up, women would be in full burka...

Since there are people in this thread promoting full blown nudity.
I didnt promote full nudity, so why direct your flatuant arse (comments) at me? :confused: ;)

I'm simply building an arguement against them. In the process I managed to cross nudity and topless.
Ok, but try to shoot in another direction next time you let fly with the bullets, 'cause I'm only talking bare upper torso's here...and none of them are loaded... ;)

Let me just clarify my stance.

Niether gender should be allowed to be topless. Fine, since women can't do it the neither can men. However, remember that breasts are viewed as sexual in our society whereas man boobs aren't. That's probably the biggest con to topless equality.

Since there are people in this thread promoting full blown nudity. I'm simply building an arguement against them. In the process I managed to cross nudity and topless.

That would be the problem that toplessness would eventually resolve. De-sexualizing the human form will bring the ideals of romance back to business.

Public nudity is legal...go live in the rainforests of the world, who the hell is going to tell you to put clothes on, in urban areas I don't think many people would go fully nude anyway, and in the winter, I would love to see guys feeling confident walking down the street.

My thought is: we guys do it, why couldn't women?

Public nudity is legal...go live in the rainforests of the world, who the hell is going to tell you to put clothes on, in urban areas I don't think many people would go fully nude anyway, and in the winter, I would love to see guys feeling confident walking down the street.

Why should I be embarassed? I have no problem and I don't "compare myself to other guys". That is tawdry high school crap. I wouldn't, however, go nude in winter (and I've tried before) because I live in Buffalo, NY, and while a few minutes of nudity in the snow is fun and funny...more than that could have seriously painful repercussions.

My thought is: we guys do it, why couldn't women? Because womens' bodies are filthy and should be covered with wrappings at all times. Why else? :)

how embarassing would it be to get a boner while you're out shopping? :eek:

for that reason alone i have to say no to public nudity :P
besides, Luporum is quite right *shudders*

That's counterbalanced by women leaving behind snail trails.

Public nudity is legal...go live in the rainforests of the world, who the hell is going to tell you to put clothes on, in urban areas I don't think many people would go fully nude anyway, and in the winter, I would love to see guys feeling confident walking down the street.
I might, because I thrive on cold.

Of course, that may have something to do with the fact that most of my body has been replaced by metal parts and the rest has shriveled away into a skeleton (hey, that's what happens when you reach 68.82 quintillion years), which is why I generally wear the black robes and hood. I mean, who wants to see a grinning human skeleton/robot walking towards you in the middle of the street? ;)

That's counterbalanced by women leaving behind snail trails.
hehehehehe :P

Because womens' bodies are filthy and should be covered with wrappings at all times. Why else? :)

Oh, THAT's why. :rolleyes:

It sure explains a lot :p

I don't care. Women here go toppless at the beach - of course they are lying on their stomachs when they do it.....whatever. I don't have a problem with women going topless.

Because womens' bodies are filthy and should be covered with wrappings at all times. Why else? :)
lol.... That was sarcastic, wasn't it?

Is there any law against public toplessness for women anyway? If they wanna go topless they can, they just might get starred at if they do it while walking down the street.

:eek: That's counterbalanced by women leaving behind snail trails.

Am I the only one to find that comment more than slightly disgusting? :eek:

lol.... That was sarcastic, wasn't it? …was it…?

No... It would cause a rise in sexual harassment, and being topless is inefficient for most jobs, especially for women. Not to mention all the car accidents ;D

:eek:

Am I the only one to find that comment more than slightly disgusting? :eek:


No you're right. I chose to ignore it.

Because womens' bodies are filthy and should be covered with wrappings at all times. Why else? :)
They actually are...breast massages circulate all of the impurities collected throughout the day...what?...

…was it…?
I hope so.... <_<

:eek:

Am I the only one to find that comment more than slightly disgusting? :eek:

That was kinda the idea. :p

I'm sure some soap and and a scouring sponge will get rid of that mental image for you.

No you're right. I chose to ignore it. It's a legitimate reason why nudity is not a good idea. Like those (banned) Barnardos adverts featuring a kid and a cockroach.

Because womens' bodies are filthy and should be covered with wrappings at all times. Why else? :)
I don't think that man boobs should be out and about either. Wear clothes when among the rest of us and, if you want to roam about without coverings, do so on a resort/beach far away from prying eyes.

I mean, who wants to see a grinning human skeleton/robot walking towards you in the middle of the street?
Oh, that was you? Look man, I am really sorry about stealing your cab, but I had to go and didn't have time to flag one of my own down.
I'm also sorry about stealing your wallet.
And your bank account.
And your identity.
And fire (Well, that one was millenia ago, so I doubt you're still sore about that).
So, yeah, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa (Not that you are getting any of the above back, of course, but I really do feel bad about stealing them in the first place. I think that I'll use your credit card to order you some flowers.)

No... It would cause a rise in sexual harassment, and being topless is inefficient for most jobs, especially for women. Not to mention all the car accidents ;D

I don't think the incidents of sexual harrassment would increase. Maybe initially, but only an increase comparable to the introduction of women wearing pants - or skirts that showed their ankles. I think men can learn to control themselves - and if they can't, they deserve a nice sexual harrassment suit.

Keep them in your own house, please.

Prostitutes would love this. Sex offenders also. I see the rape and sexual harrassment rates skyrocketing. Even if a woman doesn't decide to go topless, men who constantly see breasts all day may find themselves a little mouthy or a little grabby. Really, keep your clothes on people! Perverts.

No... It would cause a rise in sexual harassment, and being topless is inefficient for most jobs, especially for women. Not to mention all the car accidents ;D
Well, yeah. Particularly... well endowed females working in jobs such as the emergency rescue squad wouldn't be very.... efficient..... ;)

Of course, in the police force, it would be easier to convince criminals to come out of hiding, at least with undercover cops. :D

I'm sure some soap and steel wool will get rid of that mental image for you.

OMG! MY EYES! THEY BURN!

Oh, wait, I'm not actually seeing any of this...

OMG!MY BRAIN! IT BURNS! :p

Why should I be embarassed? I have no problem and I don't "compare myself to other guys". That is tawdry high school crap. I wouldn't, however, go nude in winter (and I've tried before) because I live in Buffalo, NY, and while a few minutes of nudity in the snow is fun and funny...more than that could have seriously painful repercussions.
The sad thing is...a lot of guys, after high school, still get touchy on the 'size' issue...why?...who knows, but some people need confidence :eek: . I live in TN, so, nudity is almost necessary in the summer lol, but I still wouldn't do it.

I don't think that man boobs should be out and about either. Wear clothes when among the rest of us and, if you want to roam about without coverings, do so on a resort/beach far away from prying eyes. I don't have… erm - "man boobs" - but I still shroud myself like some kind of dark magician.

It's a legitimate reason why nudity is not a good idea. Like those (banned) Barnardos adverts featuring a kid and a cockroach.

Just imagine catching public transport...and having to put a towel down over the seat just incase there is something unpleasant there for you to sit on.

Wait, you pretty much have to do that anyway.

OMG! MY EYES! THEY BURN!

Oh, wait, I'm not actually seeing any of this...

OMG!MY BRAIN! IT BURNS! :p

Mission accomplished. :D

Oh, that was you? Look man, I am really sorry about stealing your cab, but I had to go and didn't have time to flag one of my own down.
I'm also sorry about stealing your wallet.
And your bank account.
And your identity.
And fire (Well, that one was millenia ago, so I doubt you're still sore about that).
So, yeah, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa (Not that you are getting any of the above back, of course, but I really do feel bad about stealing them in the first place. I think that I'll use your credit card to order you some flowers.)
No, Khain Aurïes. I've never forgiven you, not until this day, for endowing the human species with consciousness and life. You have given them the Force, and I can never take it away, except by killling you. That's why I have come to Terra to seek you... *thunderous scary voice, earth trembles* Fear the wrath of X! FEAR! FEEEEAAAAR!


(You'll be glad you have that cab now, won't you... ouéhéhéhéhéhéhéhéhéhé!!!!)

Also we'd lose/gain tourism from certain parts of the world. ;D Don't forget about the clothing industry! What would happen to the bra manufacturers? Did you ever stop to think about them?!

Just imagine catching public transport...and having to put a towel down over the seat just incase there is something unpleasant there for you to sit on.

Wait, you pretty much have to do that anyway.
LOL!

Just imagine catching public transport...and having to put a towel down over the seat just incase there is something unpleasant there for you to sit on.

Wait, you pretty much have to do that anyway. What about after eating bolognaise? Somehow it tends to be attracted to my clothes… if I did everything topless/naked, I'd look like I had some sort of skin disease.
Also we'd lose/gain tourism from certain parts of the world. ;D Don't forget about the clothing industry! What would happen to the bra manufacturers? Did you ever stop to think about them?! Yay! Cripple Chinese industry!

What would happen to the bra manufacturers? Did you ever stop to think about them?!

The rise in business of the condom industry should more than make up for it ;)

OMG! MY EYES! THEY BURN!

Oh, wait, I'm not actually seeing any of this...

OMG!MY BRAIN! IT BURNS! :p
From over-exertion? ;)

What about after eating bolognaise? Somehow it tends to be attracted to my clothes… if I did everything topless/naked, I'd look like I had some sort of skin disease.

And if a piece of spaghetti fell down onto your lap, and you didn't notice...and if it was left on your seat when you got up, everyone would think you had tapeworm.

From over-exertion? ;)

'Fraid not. This particular guy's one of those... you know. The type who enjouys watching topless men's nice pecs and abs. I already have all the eye candy I need in summer.

I'm for gender equality though. So if men get topless, women should be able to as well(if they feel like it).

And if a piece of spaghetti fell down onto your lap, and you didn't notice...and if it was left on your seat when you got up, everyone would think you had tapeworm. It would look more like roundworm.

Also, what about those of us who don't want to see womens' breasts? It just… doesn't feel right. Hell, if people did start going around topless, I'd probably wear a trenchcoat… but I go pretty close to that anyway. :p

'Fraid not. This particular guy's one of those... you know. The type who enjouys watching topless men's nice pecs and abs. I already have all the eye candy I need in summer.

I'm for gender equality though. So if men get topless, women should be able to as well(if they feel like it).
I mean, attempting to comprehend... oh, never mind.

I mean, attempting to comprehend... oh, never mind.

Let me spell it out then :P

I'm gay, so my supporting women's right to be topless is a completely selfless gesture. I'm not particularly interested in seeing large-breasted women walking down every street, but hey, since I can do it, why couldn't they?

And I agree that rape and molestation cases will probably go up because of it, especially at bars etc.

And someone will need to cut all the dresses at the waist! Who has time for that?!

*sigh* And let us not forget telescope sales... They'll surely plummet when you can see the same thing on the street. Don't forget the school system, how will highschool and college cope with a bunch of topless chick walking around? :fluffle:

It would look more like roundworm.

Depends. You can get flat spaghetti. (though maybe it's called something else)

Also, what about those of us who don't want to see womens' breasts? It just… doesn't feel right. Hell, if people did start going around topless, I'd probably wear a trenchcoat… but I go pretty close to that anyway. :p

Hm. It would kinda ruin it, wouldn't it? It's really just a made up cultural fetish (though one i'm happy to partake in. :D). Does anyone know if all those African cultures where the women walk around topless glorify breasts? My bet is they don't.

And I agree that rape and molestation cases will probably go up because of it, especially at bars etc.

And someone will need to cut all the dresses at the waist! Who has time for that?! I disagree. Rape was very high under the Taliban, and they were attempting to kill off women by smothering them in layers of cloth.

If you're getting molested at a bar, you should rip the offender to shreds with a machete.

Its legal for women to go topless in public at least in Britain but women just don't do it. Thats just the way society is.

No, Khain Aurïes.
DAMMIT! Why must you defame my vainglorious moniker, I was Khaïn Auries. Second, that was a nickname, and I have outgrown it. Perhaps if you moved past the good ol' days, that whole cult business might take up again.
I've never forgiven you, not until this day, for endowing the human species with consciousness and life. You have given them the Force, and I can never take it away, except by killling you.
I'll put this in my shutting the barn door after the Force got out and enlightened Humanity file.
That's why I have come to Terra to seek you...
Really? Then why have you spent so much of this time in Yon House of Pornographic Material Most Homosexual? Methinks that you hide your true priorities.
*thunderous scary voice, earth trembles* Fear the wrath of X! FEAR! FEEEEAAAAR!
A Cliche is you. Earth trembles all the time, hell humans are in the business of fucking up the planet. You've got to evolve, or you'll end up like Elabriesnestienceagurplucus the Merciless and Hard to Pronounce. He is working retail now, God of Store Returns.
(You'll be glad you have that cab now, won't you... ouéhéhéhéhéhéhéhéhéhé!!!!)
Not to be contrary, but (unlike certain immortal personages I stole Fire from) I don't live in a cab for weeks at a time. Most people just use them for transportation and/or a good place to rob a cabbie.
However, I believe that we are highjacking this poor man's thread, and so we'll have to continue this discussion at another time.

Were it legal to do such a thing in Texas, you bet your bottom dollar I would run around with at least my boobs free to bounce in the sunshine. At least, I would, if I didn't live in a neighborhood where wearing a tshirt and jeans gets me 23 separate incidents of whistles/howls/honks/etc. in thirty minutes on a bad night.

(Of course, in Greater Beatlemania, forms of strange expression and devotion to the Four Saints of Sixties Music are encouraged, public nudity included.)

seriously i think humans are all talk and no action. even if the whole world was to accept nudism, only gay activistist :fluffle: and those sex-deprived men would roam the street void of clothes.

Even if it becomes acceptable, eventually, the lack of participation in nudism would equate in the eradication of such a law as it is only applicable to the minority. Although it is important to cater to civilian rights, one has to determine if it is beneficial to the vast populace at hand, if not, it is merely a waste of resourse, time and man power enforcing such ludicrious laws.

Even if everybody was to embrace such a law with open arms, and god-forbid, everyone appears naked strutting (literally) down the street, i think sex-education would not be a problem anymore. :>

Only people who have maturity would be able to have self-restraint and in this world where by the stick :gundge: controls the heart and mind, it is almost clost to impossible.

nudism is just not right. the next thing you know it, people who openly corpulate on streets and offices and schools.

seriously i think humans are all talk and no action. even if the whole world was to accept nudism, only gay activistist :fluffle: and those sex-deprived men would roam the street void of clothes.


Hey, I'm a both a gay activist AND sex-deprived and I don't walk around "void of clothes". :rolleyes:

There's a world between being topless and "full frontal nudity", as they call it in the video industry.

Nude means to not have any clothing on, topless means to not have a top on...it's not exactly a difficult distinction to make...
You're right, I wonder where people are getting the idea for public nudity in the thread, after all there was obviously no basis in the beggining of the the-
I would go nude in public if it was legal
Oh, well, I would have to say that looks like it says nude. Which can be defined as "a state of complete undress", but maybe that was just an accident that-
I would support legalizing public nudity, but I wouldn't do it.
Oh, damn. Looks like public nudity is a recurring issue. Of course, I suppose it is possible that all that would be banned is topl-
Public nudity should be banned.
Well, once again another poll option appears, and once again we have public nudity. But I suppose that was probably just simplification for the purpose of vo-
Should people be allowed in public nude or partially nude? Would you do it if it was legal?
GODDAMMIT BALIPO! How dare he highjack his own thread and derail his argument in the first post.

DAMMIT! Why must you defame my vainglorious moniker, I was Khaïn Auries. Second, that was a nickname, and I have outgrown it. Perhaps if you moved past the good ol' days, that whole cult business might take up again. How dare you accuse me of being wrong?!

Really? Then why have you spent so much of this time in Yon House of Pornographic Material Most Homosexual? Methinks that you hide your true priorities. That is an exercise to prove that I am powerful enough to defeat you and your evil minions!

A Cliche is you. Earth trembles all the time, hell humans are in the business of fucking up the planet. You've got to evolve, or you'll end up like Elabriesnestienceagurplucus the Merciless and Hard to Pronounce. He is working retail now, God of Store Returns. Yeah. Well, I may be the Master of the Gods, but at the moment I'm so busy controlling the multiverse I might not have time for myself! You ever thought of that?

Not to be contrary, but (unlike certain immortal personages I stole Fire from) I don't live in a cab for weeks at a time. Most people just use them for transportation and/or a good place to rob a cabbie.
However, I believe that we are highjacking this poor man's thread, and so we'll have to continue this discussion at another time.
Yes, I know. You live in them for aerions at a time, you poor guy. ;) Ah well. I once had to spend 2 1/2 eons in a cab, although that was because we were travelling from Terminus to Petrovci Spaceport and there was rush-hour traffic...

Anyway, let's stop hijacking this thread.

people who openly corpulate on streets and offices and schools.

Oh, yes, of course. Heaven save us from the people who balloon up another three hundred pounds in front of your eyes.

;)

Oh, yes, of course. Heaven save us from the people who balloon up another three hundred pounds in front of your eyes.

;)
Damn you Air Pump Man, Damn you to Hell!

GODDAMMIT BALIPO! How dare he highjack his own thread and derail his argument in the first post.
I know, what a sneaky thing to do! ;)

If you're getting molested at a bar, you should rip the offender to shreds with a machete.


But if you're naked where will you be pulling this machete from?Nature's pocket?!

But if you're naked where will you be pulling this machete from?Nature's pocket?! Topless, not naked! You pull it from your scabbard!

Topless, not naked! You pull it from your scabbard!

I put other things in "scabbards"...he..he..he...

Most nudist are man with small dicks.

Hot girls are not nudist unfortunately. :mad:

I say no.

Should women be allowed to go topless in public?

I don't see why not, and for a few reasons.

Firstly, I think women who breast feed would be more comfortable when the need arose and they were in a public place. I have never had a problem with women breast feeding in public, since it is natural and babies need that nourishment.

Secondly, would it be such a big deal? Many countries allow people to sunbath and walk about nude or partially nude. It's the way you came into this world.

Clothes are just a means of control. I lived in Florida for a few years and couldn't figure why I was required to be dressed in daily 90 degree heat.

So share your thoughts. Should people be allowed in public nude or partially nude? Would you do it if it was legal?
Normally, I would be against public nudity, but you make a great example of why it should be legal. But I would be embarrased going out in public, nude.
I would just have my shirt off.

Normally, I would be against public nudity, but you make a great example of why it should be legal. But I would be embarrased going out in public, nude.

Some people are "embarassed" about being in bare assed (oh the punical wizard strikes again). But for those who aren't, let it all hang out I say.

Why should I change my seats?
Actually, clothing could still be required in private establishments. That probably wouldn't change much.

[QUOTE=Hinterlutschistan]As usual, my answer is "yes, but..."

First of all, I don't see a problem with being topless, or completely nude. I wouldn't force anyone to see ME nude (you don't wanna... you certainly don't wanna, trust me!), but if you want to be naked, have fun!

There are certain limits though. First and foremost, you have no RIGHT to be nude EVERYWHERE. In public places, ok. But if someone decides you have to be clothed to enter his home, it's his right to demand that. That includes religious groups and religious places (I can see certain churches where it would cause an uproar if you DEMANDED you can go there nude) as well as for example restaurants.

Some restaurants have a dress code, for obvious reasons. You know the old "no shoes, no shirt..." slogan, and it's their right to demand that, in turn.

So public nudity, yes. But not enforced nudity. In your place, your house, your church, your restaurant, your store, you have every right to demand from people to wrap themselves in whatever you see fit. Hell, if you insist, you could go ahead and demand that everyone has to wear a pink pyjama to come into your home! :)[/QUi

agree with this dude

IMHO, public nudity is all about national culture.

In some countries, like Southern and Eastern Europe or North America, public Nudity is illegal.

But in northern Europe, it is perfectelly legal, and I would even say that someone not practicing it is rather suspicious.

And in some countries, women not covering their heads are indecent, just as french people are shocked when they see how english girls dress when they go out (and believe me, they are VERY shocked. to a french, it's the second most striking think in the UK after food).

So you just have to conform with the culture of the country you are living in, or at least not to complain about that countries' culture. Western female Journalists working in middle-east countries wear the tchador, and I now rather shy people who comform to the sauna habit when they go to Scandinavia.

And if you don't like to see this people behave that way in their own country, you'd rather stay at home.

:)

IMHO, public nudity is all about national culture.

In some countries, like Southern and Eastern Europe or North America, public Nudity is illegal.

But in northern Europe, it is perfectelly legal, and I would even say that someone not practicing it is rather suspicious.

And in some countries, women not covering their heads are indecent, just as french people are shocked when they see how english girls dress when they go out (and believe me, they are VERY shocked. to a french, it's the second most striking think in the UK after food).

So you just have to conform with the culture of the country you are living in, or at least not to complain about that countries' culture. Western female Journalists working in middle-east countries wear the tchador, and I now rather shy people who comform to the sauna habit when they go to Scandinavia.

And if you don't like to see this people behave that way in their own country, you'd rather stay at home.

:)


Kind of part of my point really. But what I meant was why not allow it in all countries? Is there some kind of proof that public nudity will cause everyone to go nuts and never return to work or whatever?

I mean, I'm naked at the moment and no one seems to mind.

Guess I killed it for everyone with that comment... :(

And in some countries, women not covering their heads are indecent, just as french people are shocked when they see how english girls dress when they go out (and believe me, they are VERY shocked. to a french, it's the second most striking think in the UK after food). What? I've never heard this one before. Then again, I don't pay much attention to women when I go out. Or men, for that matter.
But in northern Europe, it is perfectelly legal, and I would even say that someone not practicing it is rather suspicious.
What again? Are you sure you're thinking about the right places? "Suspicious"?

And in some countries, women not covering their heads are indecent, just as french people are shocked when they see how english girls dress when they go out (and believe me, they are VERY shocked. to a french, it's the second most striking think in the UK after food).


I wasn't shocked, but I was... startled. In the middle of the night, in winter, in London, young women walking around practically naked. It was just a little... bizarre.

What? I've never heard this one before. Then again, I don't pay much attention to women when I go out. Or men, for that matter.

You should pay attention to people or you'll run into them. I find watching people fascinating. There is so much free reality entertainment that I rarely watch TV.

What again? Are you sure you're thinking about the right places? "Suspicious"?

Lisk...let's remember that the UK is not the end all be all of Northern Europe. At a beach in Sweden wearing clothes attracts more attention than nudity.

I'd definitely support public nudity, and exercise my right to it. While I certainly don't have a perfect body, I'm fairly comfortable with myself, so why not? :p

All 4!

I have no problem with it in outdoor pools or public areas adjoining bodies of water.
Other than that, if it were made completely public, we'd get used to it and it wouldn't be so arrousing anymore... :(


agreed

I'd definitely support public nudity, and exercise my right to it. While I certainly don't have a perfect body, I'm fairly comfortable with myself, so why not? :p
Because it will lead the nation down a dark path of sin, of course! It's worse than legalizing homosexuality or even, gasp, abortion! Think of the children! :rolleyes:

You should pay attention to people or you'll run into them. I find watching people fascinating. There is so much free reality entertainment that I rarely watch TV. I don't watch TV anyway!
Lisk...let's remember that the UK is not the end all be all of Northern Europe. At a beach in Sweden wearing clothes attracts more attention than nudity. The UK is hardly "northern Europe" although this morning I would have believed it.
I was not aware that nudity was common in northern Europe, and I thought he didn't just mean beaches.

I have no problem with legal toplessness, for both sexes, but I would be against lots of public nudity. It would take away the arousing factor of nudity. The mystery would be gone. Humans don't like certainty.

At a beach in Sweden wearing clothes attracts more attention than nudity.
Are beaches in Sweden even warm enough to go nude?

Should women be allowed to go topless in public?

I don't see why not, and for a few reasons.

Firstly, I think women who breast feed would be more comfortable when the need arose and they were in a public place. I have never had a problem with women breast feeding in public, since it is natural and babies need that nourishment.

Secondly, would it be such a big deal? Many countries allow people to sunbath and walk about nude or partially nude. It's the way you came into this world.

Clothes are just a means of control. I lived in Florida for a few years and couldn't figure why I was required to be dressed in daily 90 degree heat.

So share your thoughts. Should people be allowed in public nude or partially nude? Would you do it if it was legal?IMO, nudity should be 100% legal in any and all public locations, with the only exceptions being locations where sanitation demands require more regulation (i.e. food service, hospitals, etc). If people wish to go nude then they should be permitted to do so.

I don't watch TV anyway!
The UK is hardly "northern Europe" although this morning I would have believed it.
I was not aware that nudity was common in northern Europe, and I thought he didn't just mean beaches.

In sweden it isn't just beaches, but primarily for full nudity. Toplessness is regular throughout Stockholm, or at least it was the summer I was there.

I have no problem with legal toplessness, for both sexes, but I would be against lots of public nudity. It would take away the arousing factor of nudity. The mystery would be gone. Humans don't like certainty.


Are beaches in Sweden even warm enough to go nude?

In summer it gets to be between 75 and 85 F. To them, that is more than warm enough. Especially since the sun doesn't go all the way down.

i dont know about you but id rather not see my grandmother or my father naked thank you very much

I was thinking about his whole going topless business, and I figured out a reason besides modesty not to do it (although this isn't a reason to ban it). Does anyone else ever get that thing where you get cold in the morning and your nipples harden to the point that they actually hurt? I get that occasionally and it goes away about an hour or so after putting my bra on. If I don't wear a bra, they hurt all friggin day. As easily as I get cold, I'd have painful nipples all the time!

i dont know about you but id rather not see my grandmother or my father naked thank you very much
So? I'd rather not see 14 year old girls wearing ultra-low-rise pants. I'd rather not see boys wearing caps upside-down and backwards while slumping their pants down past their asses. I'd rather not see obese Americans wearing spandex. I'd rather not see my aunt wearing her neon orange sweater with the cuddly kittens on it.

Fact is, most people where I live (America) have shitty taste in clothes, and they'd actually look less stupid if they were naked.

In sweden it isn't just beaches, but primarily for full nudity. Toplessness is regular throughout Stockholm, or at least it was the summer I was there. Oh. Well, northerners are odd in differing ways. I would have thought that Holland would be more nudist.

I suppose it's not for everyone...

That happens to me, but not at specific times...it's kinda random...and I have no bra for protection...

Oh. Well, northerners are odd in differing ways. I would have thought that Holland would be more nudist.
I wish

*walks around naked in the house*

I suppose it's not for everyone...

That happens to me, but not at specific times...it's kinda random...and I have no bra for protection...
Warming them up helps, not neccesarily with a bra. Just rub. People might look at you funny though

In sweden it isn't just beaches, but primarily for full nudity. Toplessness is regular throughout Stockholm, or at least it was the summer I was there.
Huh? Where were you? I hung around the Gamla Stan area for a while one summer and I saw no topless women.

Warming them up helps, not neccesarily with a bra. Just rub. People might look at you funny though

I've tried that - but all it does is make it all more painful. Maybe they need a more gradual warming, I dunno. =)

I've tried that - but all it does is make it all more painful. Maybe they need a more gradual warming, I dunno. =)
that's what you've been doing wrong.

Putting your hands on them for a little while works as well, but isn't as fun

So? I'd rather not see 14 year old girls wearing ultra-low-rise pants. I'd rather not see boys wearing caps upside-down and backwards while slumping their pants down past their asses. I'd rather not see obese Americans wearing spandex. I'd rather not see my aunt wearing her neon orange sweater with the cuddly kittens on it.

Fact is, most people where I live (America) have shitty taste in clothes, and they'd actually look less stupid if they were naked.

maybe but would you enjoy seeing those same obese americans naked, i mean c'mon, i shudder to think of it

maybe but would you enjoy seeing those same obese americans naked, i mean c'mon, i shudder to think of it

It doesn't really matter what you shudder to think. Do you honestly think other people should have to live their lives based on your comfort level?

It doesn't really matter what you shudder to think. Do you honestly think other people should have to live their lives based on your comfort level? People should wear black trenchcoats and wide-brimmed hats in public - also leather/suede boots. That would look so cool!

Personally, I would gladly go topless in public, as long as my personal space was still respected.

Should women be allowed to go topless in public?

I don't see why not, and for a few reasons.

Firstly, I think women who breast feed would be more comfortable when the need arose and they were in a public place. I have never had a problem with women breast feeding in public, since it is natural and babies need that nourishment.

Secondly, would it be such a big deal? Many countries allow people to sunbath and walk about nude or partially nude. It's the way you came into this world.

Clothes are just a means of control. I lived in Florida for a few years and couldn't figure why I was required to be dressed in daily 90 degree heat.

So share your thoughts. Should people be allowed in public nude or partially nude? Would you do it if it was legal? I would say that it should be socially required (such as restaurants requiring customers to wear shirts and shoes before entering), but not controlled by the government in any way shape or form, it hsould be voluntary based on personal property rights.

I'd support it, but I don't know if I would actually go naked. Only humans where clothes, but they do protect us sometimes...