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I flipped through the National Enquirer (which I know isn't all that reliable) a few weeks ago and it did an article on how Bush was drinking agian. I didn't buy it until a few hours ago in a chatroom about Politics there was a lot of buzz about how some Washington insiders said Bush was being consoled by Jack Daniels.

Is any of it true or is this just my wishful thinking of exposing Bush as a hypocrite on ALL fronts?

Can't say as I blame him. He's at the lowest point of his administration yet, dealing with several major political battles at once, and he probably realizes that he has four more years of this. If I were in his position, screw Jack Daniels. I'd go for Smirnoff.

its the sort of story that the enquirer is sure of when it prints it.

the details of how mrs bush reacted are probably made up however

it doesnt make him a hypocrit, it makes him human. alcoholics fall off the wagon. it happens.

i dont much care one way or the other unless it gets so out of hand that he is smashed every day.

I flipped through the National Enquirer (which I know isn't all that reliable) a few weeks ago and it did an article on how Bush was drinking agian. I didn't buy it until a few hours ago in a chatroom about Politics there was a lot of buzz about how some Washington insiders said Bush was being consoled by Jack Daniels.

Is any of it true or is this just my wishful thinking of exposing Bush as a hypocrite on ALL fronts?

It's seemed to me like he's lost a lot of confidence lately. He looks more down and appears almost timid when he speaks. It's sad.

Clinton went through a phase like that in his second term too, gained weight and lost a bit of steam.

It must be a presidential thing.

It's seemed to me like he's lost a lot of confidence lately. He looks more down and appears almost timid when he speaks. It's sad.

Clinton went through a phase like that in his second term too, gained weight and lost a bit of steam.

It must be a presidential thing.
Second term blues. Every president has it. It's usually capstoned by something they did that was stupid, like Watergate for Nixon, Iran-Contra for Reagan, or Lewinsky for Clinton. Who knows what it'll be for Bush. My bet is that it'll be triggered by either a death in his family or a loss of a cabinet member. He's dependent on people in general, and that, my friends, is the danger of the extreme extroversion Bush has.

Heh.

Of course the Iraq&Katrina screwups probably aren't helping any...

I flipped through the National Enquirer (which I know isn't all that reliable) a few weeks ago and it did an article on how Bush was drinking agian. I didn't buy it until a few hours ago in a chatroom about Politics there was a lot of buzz about how some Washington insiders said Bush was being consoled by Jack Daniels.

Is any of it true or is this just my wishful thinking of exposing Bush as a hypocrite on ALL fronts?
Hope it's true! Nothing I'd love better than to be able to hang yet another millstone around that bastard's neck!

There are rumors that Bush is drinking again.
There's a rumor that you're my illigitimate offspring too, but that don't make it true! [ prays it's not true ] :D

Hope it's true! Nothing I'd love better than to be able to hang yet another millstone around that bastard's neck!

You hope that the most powerful country on earth is being led by a residisiviscisitist alcoholic?

sounds like sour grapes to me :P

Second term blues. Every president has it. It's usually capstoned by something they did that was stupid, like Watergate for Nixon, Iran-Contra for Reagan, or Lewinsky for Clinton. Who knows what it'll be for Bush. My bet is that it'll be triggered by either a death in his family or a loss of a cabinet member. He's dependent on people in general, and that, my friends, is the danger of the extreme extroversion Bush has.
Yep. Contrary to popular belief, the main reason Washington didn’t go for a third term, was not because he feared the power of a long sitting president, but because he felt that eight years was already too much for a man to handle.

Yep. Contrary to popular belief, the main reason Washington didn’t go for a third term, was not because he feared the power of a long sitting president, but because he felt that eight years was already too much for a man to handle.

FDR did just fine his 3rd term, it's the 4th that kills ya! ;)

I flipped through the National Enquirer (which I know isn't all that reliable) a few weeks ago and it did an article on how Bush was drinking agian. I didn't buy it until a few hours ago in a chatroom about Politics there was a lot of buzz about how some Washington insiders said Bush was being consoled by Jack Daniels.

Is any of it true or is this just my wishful thinking of exposing Bush as a hypocrite on ALL fronts?


You are kidding right? You do know the National Enquirer "isnt all that reliable"? Was this story after "Dead mom gives birth in coffin" or "800 lb woman marries Bigfoot" ?
Lets add some "chatroom" buzz- like this post and pretend there is some shred of truth to it.
I heard someone also saw Satan in the smoke from the Kuwaiti oil fires back in the 90s. I wonder what his take is on this ?

Just touching the Enquirer can make dramatically impair someone's ability to reason. This thread is a prime example.

OK, I’ve got no love for Bush, but this….

Well, put it this way. Saying the National Enquirer isn’t all that reliable is about equivalent to saying the Pacific Ocean is a little damp. At the most, this story is bound to be outrageously exaggerated.

I flipped through the National Enquirer (which I know isn't all that reliable) a few weeks ago and it did an article on how Bush was drinking agian. I didn't buy it until a few hours ago in a chatroom about Politics there was a lot of buzz about how some Washington insiders said Bush was being consoled by Jack Daniels.

Is any of it true or is this just my wishful thinking of exposing Bush as a hypocrite on ALL fronts?

boy aren't you something dude. you're the one who just started all the bullshit about religion too i think the purpose for wich you are here is to just cause arguments. exposing bush as a hypocrite on ALL fronts. i dont know how the hell you expect to do that just by seeing him in a magazine with a bottle of Jack Daniels. hell just cuz he drinks Jack dont make him a hypocrite. fucking retard

How about finding a spy in the whitehouse? Might that knock him off the wagon. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1187030&page=1
Check it out. Somebody in the whitehouse!

Bush is drinking agian

Did he ever stop?

You hope that the most powerful country on earth is being led by a residisiviscisitist alcoholic?

sounds like sour grapes to me :P
Yep. I do hope that, because I WANT HIM IMPEACHED!!

Yep. I do hope that, because I WANT HIM IMPEACHED!!
Um, first the dems have to gain a majority in 2006. Unlikely, to say the least.

yeah, unfortuately you're probably right. If the election were this year, maybe, but by Nov. 2006, the GOP will have found a way to worm back into public approval.

Yep. I do hope that, because I WANT HIM IMPEACHED!!

I WANT YOU BANNED!

Can't get everything we want though. Bush has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be impeached for! You do know this I hope otherwise, its one more coffin in the Public Educational School System.

Thank God I was homeschooled. I have a better understanding on how the Government actually works.

As to this thread. Nothing to see here but a story for the enquirer? Boy isn't that funny. *goes off laughing*

Seeing how his presidency has gone so far, I am not really all that concerned as to whether he is drinking again.

I WANT YOU BANNED!

Can't get everything we want though. Bush has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be impeached for! You do know this I hope otherwise, its one more coffin in the Public Educational School System.

Thank God I was homeschooled. I have a better understanding on how the Government actually works.

As to this thread. Nothing to see here but a story for the enquirer? Boy isn't that funny. *goes off laughing*

Flame!!
Mod Alert!!
Whoop-whoop-whoop!!!

Hi, La Habana Cuba is back, after 5 days or so with computer problems.

Great if it can be proven, perhaps we can get President Bush to Resign, and we can have President Dick Cheney, a real conservative Republican, and he can appoint a Vice President who can be groomed for 2008, how about that.

Hi, La Habana Cuba is back, after 5 days or so with computer problems.

Great if it can be proven, perhaps we can get President Bush to Resign, and we can have President Dick Cheney, a real conservative Republican, and he can appoint a Vice President who can be groomed for 2008, how about that.
Even worse than pResident Bush would be Cheney.
Nope, I want them impeached together. Both gone.

I flipped through the National Enquirer (which I know isn't all that reliable) a few weeks ago and it did an article on how Bush was drinking agian. I didn't buy it until a few hours ago in a chatroom about Politics there was a lot of buzz about how some Washington insiders said Bush was being consoled by Jack Daniels.

Is any of it true or is this just my wishful thinking of exposing Bush as a hypocrite on ALL fronts?

Explain to me how this is worthy of being posted. I thought shit like democracynow.com was bad enough...but now your reference is the National Enquirer? Ya...how about those aliens that land every other week...and christ's second coming predictions...and who can forget bat boy, the secret half-bat half-human that the government is hiding from the rest of us that escaped and helped the red sox win the world series?

Just FYI, here's the thread on the Enquirer article: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=446000

And a link to the article: http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/63426

It's believable. Bush denies he was an alcoholic, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that he's a "dry drunk".
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20020924Bisbort.html
http://www.schema-root.org/region/americas/north_america/usa/government/politicians/presidents/george_w._bush/_stacks/van_wormer.bush.dry_drunk.html

But, it is the Enquirer, so take it with a grain of salt.

You hope that the most powerful country on earth is being led by a residisiviscisitist alcoholic?

sounds like sour grapes to me :P
it would not be the first time that our country had prez drank a lot-Ulysses S. Grant was an alcoholic.

We all discussed this to death a couple of weeks ago. Then the thread resurfaces along with the liberal harpies espousing that trash once again freshly screaming for Bush's blood. This isn't even worth discussing. All this way into the second term and y'all are still in denial.

Scotty beam me up. There's no intelligent life here. Kirk out.

We can't get everything we want ['though' deleted]. Bush has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for which he can be impeached [preposition deleted]! You do know this, I hope, otherwise it's one more coffin in the Public Education['al' deleted] School System.

Thank God I was homeschooled. I have a better understanding on how the Government actually works.


Maybe ... but you missed out on grammar and punctuation. Teacher corrections in red. ;)

(sorry, Corn, I couldn't help it ... i'm a public school teacher.)

:D

Even worse than pResident Bush would be Cheney.
Nope, I want them impeached together. Both gone.

I dont think you can get both to resign at the same time, I dont think it will happen, but so think of this other possibility now.

President Dick Cheney dies in office due to his health problems, His Conservative Republican Vice President becomes President and names a Vice President before 2008, and they run for President and Vice President in 2008.

Personally I wish President Dick Cheney would name
Governor Jeb Bush, but under this possibility dont think that just because it is another Bush, that would make it easy for the democrats in 2008.

Jeb Bush could be a good Bush President in his own rite.

Even worse than pResident Bush would be Cheney.
Nope, I want them impeached together. Both gone.

must be sad wanting so many things you can never have ;)

Flame!!
Mod Alert!!
Whoop-whoop-whoop!!!

Nah, not a flame at all. You have flamed Conservatives before and some of us didn't go crying to the mods because of it. Probably because this is mostly a liberal forum.

Maybe ... but you missed out on grammar and punctuation. Teacher corrections in red. ;)

(sorry, Corn, I couldn't help it ... i'm a public school teacher.)

:D

Frankly, I don't care if you are or not. :D

I'm not getting a grade in here so........

Even worse than pResident Bush would be Cheney.
Nope, I want them impeached together. Both gone.

Impeached for what?

Bush has done nothing that deserves impeachment. Neither has Cheney for that matter.

Impeached for what?

Bush has done nothing that deserves impeachment. Neither has Cheney for that matter.


Funny really.

Bush admits fault with the disaster after the disaster of Katrina.
Admits it!

No one bats an eye.

Clinton gets head, and the Reublicans screamy bloody murder.

Funny really.

Bush admits fault with the disaster after the disaster of Katrina.
Admits it!

No one bats an eye.

Because its not impeachable perhaps?

Clinton gets head, and the Reublicans screamy bloody murder.

And lied about it.

And lied about it.
Because, or course, Bush did not resort to false evidence about WMDs in order to have an excuse to invade Iraq?

The fun part of this thread is that if you hate Bush, or suspect only the bad things in Bush, the National Enquirer, a supermarket celebrity gossip rag, is a valid source comparable to the BBC.

I suspect he's an alcoholic for life like George Best.

Because, or course, Bush did not resort to false evidence about WMDs in order to have an excuse to invade Iraq?

And the invasion was legal in the eyes of international law and as for the wmd, it was BAD INTELLIGENCE! I really love how the bush haters tried to say he lied when it was proven to be faulty intelligence. I wish the Bush haters get new material but I guess that is to much to hope for.

yeah, unfortuately you're probably right. If the election were this year, maybe, but by Nov. 2006, the GOP will have found a way to worm back into public approval.

as if helping the iraqi people gain independence (and hopefully hold it) is a crime.

it's sickening that, like the civil war (when northern press was glorifying the South and diminishing the successes of the Union forces... sound familiar?), this country has shown that it usually hasn't got the stomach for war/troop involvement even when it's for a just cause.

...which makes the world war 2 generation all the more impressive for their stalwart support of our country's war effort.

Neither has Cheney for that matter.

Oh, come on ... surely being a soulless black beast, whose personality makes watching paint dry seem like a magical experience, and excreting from his sweat glands a chemical that puts anyone within earshot to sleep counts for something.

I look at this guy and think, "Wow ... and people thought Al Gore was a robot."

On second thought, never mind. I wouldn't live through the hearings. Most people probably wouldn't. This man makes Gerald Ford look like Robin Williams.

Nah, not a flame at all. You have flamed Conservatives before and some of us didn't go crying to the mods because of it. Probably because this is mostly a liberal forum.

Wrong. I have attacked conservative ideology and policy. I have attacked the Republican Party. all true. I have never attacked a person, INDIVIDUALLY becuase of their ideological beliefs. sure, I have attacked the BELIEFS and IDEOLOGY of the person, but never engaged in direct personal attack.

YOU, however, did so, when you wished I would be BANNED.
You just want me banned because you don't like the fact that I am liberal, and you don't like that I point out things you don't want pointed out about your precious ideology and your precious little Republicans!

THAT damn well too WAS flame. And I didn't go running to the Mods, either. I just put a Mod Alert up there in case, hopefully, some Mod would look in and decide to take action on their own. I did not report you, though, Heaven knows you deserve it for the type of attack you levelled on me.

Impeached for what?

Bush has done nothing that deserves impeachment. Neither has Cheney for that matter.

Really now? How about lying about WMD's and getting us into the Iraq quagmire for starters. How about keeping American citizens in violation of Habeus Corpus? Jose Padilla, anyone? Human garbage he may be, but, as an American citizen, he still has rights. And they have been denied him, in violation of the fucking Constitution!

Oh, that's right, I forgot...the Constitution isn't all that important to you guys, when it impedes your agenda!

Maybe ... but you missed out on grammar and punctuation. Teacher corrections in red. ;)

(sorry, Corn, I couldn't help it ... i'm a public school teacher.)

:D

Must resist.....must resist....must resist....

Oh, come on ... surely being a soulless black beast, whose personality makes watching paint dry seem like a magical experience, and excreting from his sweat glands a chemical that puts anyone within earshot to sleep counts for something.

I look at this guy and think, "Wow ... and people thought Al Gore was a robot."

On second thought, never mind. I wouldn't live through the hearings. Most people probably wouldn't. This man makes Gerald Ford look like Robin Williams.

Thats a pretty lopsided opinion, but I'm not surprised.

Anyway- Al Gore isnt a robot- Hes the Cigar Store Indian that invented the internet.

Funny really.

Bush admits fault with the disaster after the disaster of Katrina.
Admits it!

No one bats an eye.

Clinton gets head, and the Reublicans screamy bloody murder.

Because Bush is a Republican. So he gets free passes on everything! Clinton was NEVER given the benefit of doubt on anything, ever! Liberal media, my ass!
THAT is what I find most aggrivating about Bush....no matter WHAT atrocities he commits, or is, in some way responsible for, or involved in...NOTHING FUCKING STICKS, EVER!! He takes responsibility for Katrina...well, about fucking time, but WHERE'S THE FUCKING CONSEQUENCES!! He let nearly a thousand mostly black, and all poor Americans fucking drown!!
Where the hell are the CONSEQUENCES!?!?!!?

What the fuck good is it that he "takes full responsibility" if he is not forced to pay the CONSEQUENCES!! I want that motherfucker brought down!! I hate him with every fiber of my being! I so badly want him brought low!!

Because Bush is a Republican. So he gets free passes on everything! Clinton was NEVER given the benefit of doubt on anything, ever! Liberal media, my ass!
THAT is what I find most aggrivating about Bush....no matter WHAT atrocities he commits, or is, in some way responsible for, or involved in...NOTHING FUCKING STICKS, EVER!! He takes responsibility for Katrina...well, about fucking time, but WHERE'S THE FUCKING CONSEQUENCES!! He let nearly a thousand mostly black, and all poor Americans fucking drown!!
Where the hell are the CONSEQUENCES!?!?!!?

What the fuck good is it that he "takes full responsibility" if he is not forced to pay the CONSEQUENCES!! I want that motherfucker brought down!! I hate him with every fiber of my being! I so badly want him brought low!!

misguided and now hysterical. you have to calm down.

Wasnt clinton the teflon President? that was aggrivating....*L*

Because, or course, Bush did not resort to false evidence about WMDs in order to have an excuse to invade Iraq?

Exactly! And he damn well knew the "intel" was at best shaky, and, at worst, downright false! How else do you explain the convoluted way in which he brought it up in that SOTU Address. "British intelligence has learned...." Yeah...so that when it proved false later, as he knew it would...he could blame it on the British, and on bad intel...when, all along, he knew it to be false, but still wanted to feed it to the American public, to scare the public into supporting the war he (Bush) wanted.

And the invasion was legal in the eyes of international law and as for the wmd, it was BAD INTELLIGENCE! I really love how the bush haters tried to say he lied when it was proven to be faulty intelligence. I wish the Bush haters get new material but I guess that is to much to hope for.

Eight words.

THE. FACTS. WERE. BEING. FIXED. AROUND. THE. POLICY.

Remember the Downing Street Memo?

One way or another, so help me GOD we are going to make something stick to that cocksucker in the White House, and we are going to make him PAY!!!

Eight words.

THE. FACTS. WERE. BEING. FIXED. AROUND. THE. POLICY.

Remember the Downing Street Memo?

One way or another, so help me GOD we are going to make something stick to that cocksucker in the White House, and we are going to make him PAY!!!

alrighty then...

as if helping the iraqi people gain independence (and hopefully hold it) is a crime.

it's sickening that, like the civil war (when northern press was glorifying the South and diminishing the successes of the Union forces... sound familiar?), this country has shown that it usually hasn't got the stomach for war/troop involvement even when it's for a just cause.

...which makes the world war 2 generation all the more impressive for their stalwart support of our country's war effort.

World War 2 was definitely a worthy cause! first of all, WE WERE ATTACKED FIRST!! - AND, WE ACTUALLY WENT AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY ATTACKED US!!! imagine that shit! Totally new concept!! You go after the people who ACTUALLY ATTACKED YOU!!

We declared war on Japan. Rightly so. Because we did THAT, Germany then declared war on us, drawing us into the European Theatre, whether we wanted to be there or not.

We did NOT go around attacking countries and people that didn't give us a good reason to attack them! And we sure as HELL didn't attack pre-emptively.

Thats a pretty lopsided opinion, but I'm not surprised.

Anyway- Al Gore isnt a robot- Hes the Cigar Store Indian that invented the internet.

How many times do you have to be told Gore NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE INVENTED THE INTERNET?!!?

What he said was that he was instrumental in passing legislation that opened the Internet up to the general public. And that is actually an accurate statement, too.

But, the so-called "Liberal Media" knows...if you publish and repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.

And the invasion was legal in the eyes of international law

Actually, in the eyes of international law, all wars are illegal. Armed conflicts may occur, but invading a country without a VERY good reason is illegal in any and all circumstances. And you can't call a mere suspicion of wmd's, especially when based on shaky intelligence a good reason now can you?

World War 2 was definitely a worthy cause! first of all, WE WERE ATTACKED FIRST!! - AND, WE ACTUALLY WENT AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY ATTACKED US!!! imagine that shit! Totally new concept!! You go after the people who ACTUALLY ATTACKED YOU!!

We declared war on Japan. Rightly so. Because we did THAT, Germany then declared war on us, drawing us into the European Theatre, whether we wanted to be there or not.

We did NOT go around attacking countries and people that didn't give us a good reason to attack them! And we sure as HELL didn't attack pre-emptively.


Just for a moment, imagine if we HAD hit Germany and Japan really hard and fast pre-emptively?
Would have saved millions of lives, years of needless misery and suffering, cities and towns-thousands of buildings, thousands of ships & materiel.

Our effort should be on gathering hard definitive intelligence and then smashing and potential threat, before it becomes an all emcompassing World War. You dont want World War III, do you? Someone will start it. It wont be the United States. We will finish it though.

We should be finishing it before it starts.

How many times do you have to be told Gore NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE INVENTED THE INTERNET?!!?

But, the so-called "Liberal Media" knows...if you publish and repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.


Exactly ten times less than you have to be told that President Bush didnt "lie" about weapons of mass destruction.

Fucking frustrating, isnt it? Keep chanting it. Sooner or later, you'll believe it.

Just for a moment, imagine if we HAD hit Germany and Japan really hard and fast pre-emptively?
Would have saved millions of lives, years of needless misery and suffering, cities and towns-thousands of buildings, thousands of ships & materiel.

Our effort should be on gathering hard definitive intelligence and then smashing and potential threat, before it becomes an all emcompassing World War. You dont want World War III, do you? Someone will start it. It wont be the United States. We will finish it though.

We should be finishing it before it starts.
yeah then WE would be the scum who got into the war with a sneak attack against those who werent our enemies.

Our effort should be on gathering hard definitive intelligence and then smashing and potential threat, before it becomes an all emcompassing World War.

By hard, do you mean "Irak has WMD's"-hard, or do you mean actual intel?

Really now? How about lying about WMD's and getting us into the Iraq quagmire for starters.

Bad intelligence. Nothing to be impeached for. Now steps have been taken to hopefully ensure that it doesn't happen again. Learn the difference between using bad intel and outright lying. Apparently you don't know the difference.

How about keeping American citizens in violation of Habeus Corpus? Jose Padilla, anyone?

So you would want someone who was accused (notice I said accused and nothingmore) of planning on using a dirty bomb on americans? You don't think that is a threat to national security and he should be let go?

Human garbage he may be, but, as an American citizen, he still has rights. And they have been denied him, in violation of the fucking Constitution!

Actually, if he is considered a threat to national security, rules change.

Oh, that's right, I forgot...the Constitution isn't all that important to you guys, when it impedes your agenda!

Actually, it is very important to me, to my father, mother, my relatives and my friends. My father has served over 30 YEARS defending it and to defend your right to make baseless accusations and to talk freely. On his behalf, your welcome.

Eight words.

THE. FACTS. WERE. BEING. FIXED. AROUND. THE. POLICY.

Remember the Downing Street Memo?

One way or another, so help me GOD we are going to make something stick to that cocksucker in the White House, and we are going to make him PAY!!!
i hate him too but it doesnt do you any good to get this worked up on an internet forum with people who have all day to type out more things that will make your blood pressure rise.

Eight words.

THE. FACTS. WERE. BEING. FIXED. AROUND. THE. POLICY.

Remember the Downing Street Memo?

1) The Downing Street Memo doesn't prove a friggin thing.

2) Two Words: PROVE. IT!

You don't have a shred of proof of this so shut up.

One way or another, so help me GOD we are going to make something stick to that cocksucker in the White House, and we are going to make him PAY!!!

now your resorting to hysterics and therefor, renders anything else you say moot.

By hard, do you mean "Irak has WMD's"-hard, or do you mean actual intel?


I do mean hard and definitive- evidence that cant be second guessed later. When you're going to kill people and smash their stuff, I feel you are responsible to demonstrate why.

World War 2 was definitely a worthy cause! first of all, WE WERE ATTACKED FIRST!! - AND, WE ACTUALLY WENT AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY ATTACKED US!!! imagine that shit! Totally new concept!! You go after the people who ACTUALLY ATTACKED YOU!!

Actually, he violated a cease-fire that the US was a party to. Since he did that, we were legally entitled to go in!

We declared war on Japan. Rightly so. Because we did THAT, Germany then declared war on us, drawing us into the European Theatre, whether we wanted to be there or not.

For once, you are actually right. And it proved to be Germany's undoing. It was the biggest mistake Hitler ever made by declaring war on us.

We did NOT go around attacking countries and people that didn't give us a good reason to attack them! And we sure as HELL didn't attack pre-emptively.

No, we were just helping them economically in complete violation of US law at the time. FDR could've been technically impeached for what he pulled but meh, I don't care. We should've gotten involved sooner in WWII.

We declared war on Japan. Rightly so. Because we did THAT, Germany then declared war on us, drawing us into the European Theatre, whether we wanted to be there or not.
Erm may i point out yes you went to war and got dragged into the fray in europe, but may i also point out your great country sat back and watched millions of jews die at the hands of a madman and his army! or should i point out millions of people were dying trying to stop this attrocity, and you still watched!! and that your beautiful country only got involved when you got bombed, i believe you have no right to be a superpower, hell i think australia would make a better superpower!

I do mean hard and definitive- evidence that cant be second guessed later. When you're going to kill people and smash their stuff, I feel you are responsible to demonstrate why.

So, just out of curiosity, does that mean you think the war in Iraq is wrong?

Actually, in the eyes of international law, all wars are illegal.

If you are referring to the 1928 treaty that banned war, it is, in reality, null and void because of World War II>

Armed conflicts may occur, but invading a country without a VERY good reason is illegal in any and all circumstances. And you can't call a mere suspicion of wmd's, especially when based on shaky intelligence a good reason now can you?

How about invading another country (Kuwait 1991) then turning around and violating a cease-fire (a violation of International Law). Under International Law, a violation of a cease-fire is grounds to pick up war where it left off. In this Case, Iraq violated the Cease-fire agreement and therefor, the US was correct in going back into Iraq and taking out Hussien.

I'm sick and tired of all the liberal bs here. Katrina wasn't just Bush's fault. Heck, most of the blame should be on whoever came up with the system and the NO mayor. The mayor could have sent drivers to those school buses. Those buses could have evacuated a couple hundred people, maybe a thousand or two, before the hurricane hit. Plus, it was Bush who ordered the madatory evacuation. Yep. Louisiana had to be told to tell the people to get out. That's just one example of how partisan BS is often incorrect. Don't hate Bush because you're liberal. Don't hate him because you're a democrat. Partisanship led to beauracracy, which leads to red tape, poor decisions, and way too slow reaction time.

Erm may i point out yes you went to war and got dragged into the fray in europe, but may i also point out your great country sat back and watched millions of jews die at the hands of a madman and his army! or should i point out millions of people were dying trying to stop this attrocity, and you still watched!! and that your beautiful country only got involved when you got bombed, i believe you have no right to be a superpower, hell i think australia would make a better superpower!

Your only HALF right.

The point that you are wrong on was that we were supporting the Brits AND the USSR with War materials like tanks, bullets, jeeps, destroyers, and other odds and ends. To say we sat idly by is really disingenious to the fact that LEND-LEASE (a violation of US Neutrality Laws) was one factor in why the Soviet Union withstood the Germans (only 1 factor mind you) and it help keep the British afloat. Not to mention our aide to China to help them defeat the Japanese.

Exactly ten times less than you have to be told that President Bush didnt "lie" about weapons of mass destruction.

Fucking frustrating, isnt it? Keep chanting it. Sooner or later, you'll believe it.

HE DID DAMN WELL TOO LIE!!! Why else were the words so carefully woven into the SOTU, as to give him a way to worm out later? consider the difference between "British intelligence has learned that..." and "Iraq attempted to obtain yellowcake uranium"

The difference is that the first allows for blame to be placed on bad intel, and on the British...when the statement is proved false (as they knew it would be.)

If they REALLY believed the intel, they would have stated it as fact, and wouldn't have needed to word it in such a way as to allow them a way to worm out from it later.

Bush goddamn knew the "intel" was bullshit.

And the invasion was legal in the eyes of international law and as for the wmd, it was BAD INTELLIGENCE! I really love how the bush haters tried to say he lied when it was proven to be faulty intelligence. I wish the Bush haters get new material but I guess that is to much to hope for.yup... to them, Bush Lied but to all the Dems that supported the Iraq war, they were given Faulty Intelligence and were misled. love the double standards. :rolleyes:

And the invasion was legal in the eyes of international law and as for the wmd, it was BAD INTELLIGENCE! I really love how the bush haters tried to say he lied when it was proven to be faulty intelligence. I wish the Bush haters get new material but I guess that is to much to hope for.

We are not sure if it was bad inteligence, because (for obvious reasons) we do not see the "hard data" of inteligence information. There is nothing to prove that Bush lied. However, if there was faulty inteligence that led us to war, I would not have given the CIA head George Tenet the Medal of Freedom. It might just be me, but I feel that those medals should be reserved to for people who do their jobs with distinction, not get their jobs totally wrong. Also with the Joseph C. Wilson/ Valerie Plame fiasco it seems clear that members of the administration were intent on silencing those who disagreed with the accepted interpertation of inteligence.

There is no proof that can be used to impeach Bush, however, the action that were taken present an interesting patern.

For once, you are actually right. And it proved to be Germany's undoing. It was the biggest mistake Hitler ever made by declaring war on us.


Actually, attacking Russia was Germany's undoing and the biggest mistake Hitler ever made. WW2 might have lasted longer and Europe's economy suffered even more, but Britain and Russia would have eventually won if America hadn't intervened. If Russia hadn't gotten involved, there is no doubt that all of Europe would have fallen.

If you are referring to the 1928 treaty that banned war, it is, in reality, null and void because of World War II>

Actually, no, I don't mean that treaty. I mean current international UN laws. That is why the UN was so opposed against the Iraq war in the first place.



How about invading another country (Kuwait 1991) then turning around and violating a cease-fire (a violation of International Law). Under International Law, a violation of a cease-fire is grounds to pick up war where it left off. In this Case, Iraq violated the Cease-fire agreement and therefor, the US was correct in going back into Iraq and taking out Hussien.

Gulf War 1 may indeed have been justified, but when did Iraq violate cease-fire after that? (A real question, not some kind of symptom of denial :). If it did, then GWII might have partially been justified and I'll shut up)

1. Bad intelligence. Nothing to be impeached for. Now steps have been taken to hopefully ensure that it doesn't happen again. Learn the difference between using bad intel and outright lying. Apparently you don't know the difference.



2. So you would want someone who was accused (notice I said accused and nothingmore) of planning on using a dirty bomb on americans? You don't think that is a threat to national security and he should be let go?



3. Actually, if he is considered a threat to national security, rules change.



4. Actually, it is very important to me, to my father, mother, my relatives and my friends. My father has served over 30 YEARS defending it and to defend your right to make baseless accusations and to talk freely. On his behalf, your welcome.
1. He fucking KNEW it was bad intel from jump street! He lied, you know it, so why not just fucking admit it already?? Repeat after me...GEORGE BUSH LIED!!

2. Didn't say that. You can hold someone without bail. But Jose Padilla was held indefinitely, with no actual charges being brought against him...and without being allowed contact with family...or with legal counsel. that is in violation of Habeus Corpus. Human garbage Padilla may well have been, but he still has a right to have his day in court...to have formal charges brought against him...to be represented by legal counsel, and the right to a speedy trial...followed by his release, or by his conviction. Instead, he was being held indefinitely, with no charges brought against him, and he was being held incommunicado...all in violation of the Constitution.

3. Bullshit. Not suspension of Habeus Corpus! He could still have been held, in maximum security, without bail, had formal charges brought against him...been afforded legal counsel....and given a fair and speedy trial. This did not occur.

4. You think I didn't have family who fought in wars?!?! I don't owe YOUR family jack shit, and don't you dare act as if I do. I'll thank MY family who fought in wars, thank you very much. At least MY family has the correct political beliefs. Be damned if I'll EVER thank a Republican for anything!

Erm may i point out yes you went to war and got dragged into the fray in europe, but may i also point out your great country sat back and watched millions of jews die at the hands of a madman and his army! or should i point out millions of people were dying trying to stop this attrocity, and you still watched!! and that your beautiful country only got involved when you got bombed, i believe you have no right to be a superpower, hell i think australia would make a better superpower!

No-one actually knew what happend to the jews in the calmps until after the war, not even most German citizens. You can't blame america for not intervening in something of which they had no knowledge

1) The Downing Street Memo doesn't prove a friggin thing.

2) Two Words: PROVE. IT!

You don't have a shred of proof of this so shut up.



now your resorting to hysterics and therefor, renders anything else you say moot.
I already DID prove it. The Downing Street Memo IS proof. Your job to DISPROVE it, not the other way around. Or CAN'T you disprove it?

Fact is...nothing I could offer up would you credit as PROOF, anyway, because you are so in love with the Republicans that you can't see.

No-one actually knew what happend to the jews in the calmps until after the war, not even most German citizens. You can't blame america for not intervening in something of which they had no knowledge
im sorry i was taught that the world knew what was happening i take back my comments, but still in light of them not knowing about the concentration camps there was still millions dying fighting, did America not ask why?

I already DID prove it. The Downing Street Memo IS proof. Your job to DISPROVE it, not the other way around. Or CAN'T you disprove it?

Fact is...nothing I could offer up would you credit as PROOF, anyway, because you are so in love with the Republicans that you can't see.

If the Downing Street memo proved anything, it would have done more than appear in the papers for a week here in the US.

Papers would have run with the story. There would have been investigations.

Zip. Nada. Zilch. In fact, even the Washington Post deliberately ignored the story here (and they are NOT Republican-friendly - they cheer in their newsroom when any Democrat wins office) because it didn't have "legs".

1. For once, you are actually right. And it proved to be Germany's undoing. It was the biggest mistake Hitler ever made by declaring war on us.



2. No, we were just helping them economically in complete violation of US law at the time. FDR could've been technically impeached for what he pulled but meh, I don't care. We should've gotten involved sooner in WWII.

1. Yes, I actually DO know my history.

2. Would you rather have had no Marshall Plan, and had all of Europe fall to the Soviets? Is that what you would have preferred? And, for the record, it wasn't really FDR who did that, it was TRUMAN.

Actually, no, I don't mean that treaty. I mean current international UN laws. That is why the UN was so opposed against the Iraq war in the first place.

You actually have a minor problem. Ok, I take that back, a big problem. The UN DOES NOT make law. They have the power of law and it enforces current International Law, but it does not make law.

Gulf War 1 may indeed have been justified, but when did Iraq violate cease-fire after that? (A real question, not some kind of symptom of denial :). If it did, then GWII might have partially been justified and I'll shut up)

They violated the Cease-fire that gave them 15 days to comply and handover everything on their WMD program. They didn't do that. Twelve Years later, they still weren't fully complying with the UN Resolutions (again, ain't law but does enforce current law) and thus we moved in.

No-one actually knew what happend to the jews in the calmps until after the war, not even most German citizens. You can't blame america for not intervening in something of which they had no knowledge

You are kind of right. Most people knew that the Jews were being rounded up and put in camps (thus many in Europe hid them). Most people knew that the Jews were being used as slave labour, and many believed many of them were being executed (Isaac Asimov wrote in a letter in 1940: "If the war keeps going the way it is, all I have to look forward to is an early death." when asked why he responded, "...because I am a Jew.") However, what was not known was the brutality of the camps and executions and just how many were being put to death.

1. He fucking KNEW it was bad intel from jump street! He lied, you know it, so why not just fucking admit it already?? Repeat after me...GEORGE BUSH LIED!!

Get over yourself. We have been over this and you have been debunked. get a new line.

2. Didn't say that. You can hold someone without bail. But Jose Padilla was held indefinitely, with no actual charges being brought against him...and without being allowed contact with family...or with legal counsel.

Again, when national security is at stake, the damn rules change.

that is in violation of Habeus Corpus.

Not when it comes to National Security.

Human garbage Padilla may well have been, but he still has a right to have his day in court...to have formal charges brought against him...to be represented by legal counsel, and the right to a speedy trial...followed by his release, or by his conviction. Instead, he was being held indefinitely, with no charges brought against him, and he was being held incommunicado...all in violation of the Constitution.

Read up on National Security Laws.

*snips*

*yawns*

4. You think I didn't have family who fought in wars?!?! I don't owe YOUR family jack shit, and don't you dare act as if I do. I'll thank MY family who fought in wars, thank you very much. At least MY family has the correct political beliefs. Be damned if I'll EVER thank a Republican for anything!

The bolded part shows you to be a full scale partisan hack who disagrees with everyone that DOES NOT SHARE YOUR BELIEFS! Get over yourself.

Erm may i point out yes you went to war and got dragged into the fray in europe, but may i also point out your great country sat back and watched millions of jews die at the hands of a madman and his army! or should i point out millions of people were dying trying to stop this attrocity, and you still watched!! and that your beautiful country only got involved when you got bombed, i believe you have no right to be a superpower, hell i think australia would make a better superpower!
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. We were very much an isolationist nation at the time. And, as far as superpower goes...hey, hate to break reality to you, but...he who has the nukes makes the rules! If we actually wanted to, we could glass the entire continent of Australia. Unless they could do the same to US...and they can't...then they can't be considered a superpower.

Not that I'm defending America or it's actions...I happen to be an american that hates my current government. Love my country, hate my government. But, that is the reality. Sad but true. He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing.

I already DID prove it. The Downing Street Memo IS proof. Your job to DISPROVE it, not the other way around. Or CAN'T you disprove it?

The downing street memo doesn't prove a damn thing. We already know it doesn't prove a damn thing. You have no proof that Bush lied so why don't you shut up and stop repeating the liberal propaganda that you have been spoon fed.

Fact is...nothing I could offer up would you credit as PROOF, anyway, because you are so in love with the Republicans that you can't see.

Actually, I'm more grounded in reality than you are. Come up for air once and awhile and see what the real world is like.

1. Yes, I actually DO know my history.

Never implied that you didn't.

2. Would you rather have had no Marshall Plan, and had all of Europe fall to the Soviets?

Oh hell no. I would rather have followed Patton's plan and taken the Soviets head on and rearm the Germans as well. With French, British, American, Canadian, and other national troops against the USSR, we wouldn't have had the cold war and the Soviet Union would've been destroyed.

Is that what you would have preferred? And, for the record, it wasn't really FDR who did that, it was TRUMAN.

Not bad for a President that didn't have ANY form of education! :D

If the Downing Street memo proved anything, it would have done more than appear in the papers for a week here in the US.

Papers would have run with the story. There would have been investigations.

Zip. Nada. Zilch. In fact, even the Washington Post deliberately ignored the story here (and they are NOT Republican-friendly - they cheer in their newsroom when any Democrat wins office) because it didn't have "legs".

Bullshit. The media was told by the Bush Administration to shut up. The media always listens, because Bush threatens the access to the White House, of any media outlet who won't shut up. Even Nixon wasn't as bad as Bush, and that is saying something!

The bolded part shows you to be a full scale partisan hack who disagrees with everyone that DOES NOT SHARE YOUR BELIEFS! Get over yourself.

At least I'm willing to own up to being partisan. You aren't willing to admit to your partisanship, but it shows in your every post.

At least I'm willing to own up to being partisan. You aren't willing to admit to your partisanship, but it shows in your every post.

Actually, if you really knew me in person, you'd be saying the extreme opposite.

When people do wrong, I condemn them!

However, when people try to place everything at the feet at one point, I get annoyed because you can't blame everything on one person. There is enough blame for everyone from Democrats to Republicans and throughout the political spectrum.

Bullshit. The media was told by the Bush Administration to shut up. The media always listens, because Bush threatens the access to the White House, of any media outlet who won't shut up. Even Nixon wasn't as bad as Bush, and that is saying something!

Now that's bullshit. Ever hear of Helen Thomas?

If Bush really had that power, do you think you would ever hear bad stories about the White House?

The bolded part shows you to be a full scale partisan hack who disagrees with everyone that DOES NOT SHARE YOUR BELIEFS! Get over yourself.
At least I'm willing to own up to being partisan. You constantly deny your partisanship, in spite of the fact that your every post demonstrates it. You constantly refuse to question anything that supports the right wing...and constantly refuse to credit anything that supports the left...or anything that reflects negatively on the right.

Actually, if you really knew me in person, you'd be saying the extreme opposite.

When people do wrong, I condemn them!

However, when people try to place everything at the feet at one point, I get annoyed because you can't blame everything on one person. There is enough blame for everyone from Democrats to Republicans and throughout the political spectrum.

Bullshit! I have never ONCE heard you have anything decent to say about a Democrat...and never once have I heard you say anything negative about a Republican!

I bet you think connecticut Governor Rowland is innocent, I bet you think former Illinois Governor Jack Ryan is innocent, and I bet you think Tom DeLay is innocent, and you probably think Ronnie Earle is a partisan hack who is just going after Republicans like DeLay...inspite of the fact that, of the fifteen politicains Earle has gone after in his career...TWELVE were Democrats, and only THREE were Republicans! Real fucking partisan guy, Ronnie Earle, ain't he??

But no, you still won't accept it. I'm sure you fully believe DeLay is innocent, after all, HE's a Republican!!

It's interesting to hear that he worked from bad intelligence, when what I've heard is that there was actually no definitive intelligence around the whole thing, some of it said yes, some of it said no. What Bush chose to believe is of course history, but to say it as if it was the only choice out there strikes me as misleading. Especially when taken in combination with Bush's statements pre-election about taking out Saddam Hussein. It strikes very much as if he was presented with two alternatives, and without doing proper evaluation on either, took the one that suited his own personal motives.

Your assertion that in times of national security crisis things change is very disturbing. Considering that the US is now engaged in a perpetual "War on Terror" and that the national security level will always be in a time of crisis until the United States has somehow managed to vanquish "terror", you're essentially saying you trust your government implicitly never to act against you. There are a lot of examples in history of people doing this. They usually turn out poorly. If the Constitution is something that can be ignored because the government declares a "National Security Crisis", is it really worth anything at all?

Consider, even if the Bush government never does abuse the powers that gives them, are you willing to grant that ability to all governments that follow?

Now that's bullshit. Ever hear of Helen Thomas?

If Bush really had that power, do you think you would ever hear bad stories about the White House?

Yeah....and just look at what has happened to Helen Thomas! She's been banished to the back row...and never gets called on for questions! because they know SHE won't lob a softball at the Pretzeldent.

Yeah, Helen Thomas...forty years a credible, reliable journalist...gets banished to the back row, because she won't play along...But JEFF GANNON, (or Jim Guckert if you prefer) gets front row center, and he wasn't even a real journalist!! And always got called on for questions, and WHY?!?!? Because they knew HE would lob the Pretzeldent a softball. HE would play along. Helen wouldn't.

I bet you think Tom DeLay is innocent

Actually, in fact, Tom DeLay IS innocent until proven guilty.

It's the way the laws work here in the US. You know - how the Clintons were INNOCENT of anything involving Travelgate or Whitewater UNLESS proven guilty in a court of law.

I'm sure in your fascist universe, you, as supreme fascist, would step forward and just pronounce DeLay guilty.

Good thing we don't live in a dictatorship like that.

It's interesting to hear that he worked from bad intelligence, when what I've heard is that there was actually no definitive intelligence around the whole thing, some of it said yes, some of it said no. What Bush chose to believe is of course history, but to say it as if it was the only choice out there strikes me as misleading. Especially when taken in combination with Bush's statements pre-election about taking out Saddam Hussein. It strikes very much as if he was presented with two alternatives, and without doing proper evaluation on either, took the one that suited his own personal motives.

Your assertion that in times of national security crisis things change is very disturbing. Considering that the US is now engaged in a perpetual "War on Terror" and that the national security level will always be in a time of crisis until the United States has somehow managed to vanquish "terror", you're essentially saying you trust your government implicitly never to act against you. There are a lot of examples in history of people doing this. They usually turn out poorly. If the Constitution is something that can be ignored because the government declares a "National Security Crisis", is it really worth anything at all?

Consider, even if the Bush government never does abuse the powers that gives them, are you willing to grant that ability to all governments that follow?


Oh, they are...as long as it is only a REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED Government!

If clinton had tried any of this shit, they'd have been spinning on the fucking eyebrows and you know it!

Even given the same justifications, they would be spinning on their eyebrows if it were Clinton who'd done any of this shit!

Actually, in fact, Tom DeLay IS innocent until proven guilty.

It's the way the laws work here in the US. You know - how the Clintons were INNOCENT of anything involving Travelgate or Whitewater UNLESS proven guilty in a court of law.

I'm sure in your fascist universe, you, as supreme fascist, would step forward and just pronounce DeLay guilty.

Good thing we don't live in a dictatorship like that.

Damn right I would. Because DeLay is a walking piece of shit!

Yeah....and just look at what has happened to Helen Thomas! She's been banished to the back row...and never gets called on for questions! because they know SHE won't lob a softball at the Pretzeldent.

Yeah, Helen Thomas...forty years a credible, reliable journalist...gets banished to the back row, because she won't play along...But JEFF GANNON, (or Jim Guckert if you prefer) gets front row center, and he wasn't even a real journalist!! And always got called on for questions, and WHY?!?!? Because they knew HE would lob the Pretzeldent a softball. HE would play along. Helen wouldn't.

You still think that the news is all rosy for Bush? That no news organization dares to post a story reflecting badly on Bush?

You're blind.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/06/bush.iraq/index.html

Read the whole story. If any criticism of Bush is supposed to be removed from news, then why did they include Dick Durbin's comments? Eh? Do you think that a news organization scared that they might incur the wrath of the White House would bother to print an opposing viewpoint to Bush's policy?

The White House has NO such power over the press.

Damn right I would. Because DeLay is a walking piece of shit!

I guess you'll have to suspend the Constitution. The right to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence is a fundamental right.

You know, in most civilized countries, your statement that you don't believe that some people are entitled to a fair trial when accused of a crime would be considered barbaric.

Bullshit. The media was told by the Bush Administration to shut up. The media always listens, because Bush threatens the access to the White House, of any media outlet who won't shut up. Even Nixon wasn't as bad as Bush, and that is saying something!Proof?

Proof?
Lyric is wearing a tinfoil hat today.

Drinking does not make Bush a hyprocrite, it makes him a normal human being who is stressed by his job and needs a way to ease that stress. If I were the President, I would probably drink too. It is not our place to question a man if we don't fully understand the stresses of his work.

~ Romandeos.

Yeah....and just look at what has happened to Helen Thomas! She's been banished to the back row...and never gets called on for questions! because they know SHE won't lob a softball at the Pretzeldent.

Yeah, Helen Thomas...forty years a credible, reliable journalist...gets banished to the back row, because she won't play along...But JEFF GANNON, (or Jim Guckert if you prefer) gets front row center, and he wasn't even a real journalist!! And always got called on for questions, and WHY?!?!? Because they knew HE would lob the Pretzeldent a softball. HE would play along. Helen wouldn't.uh.. Lyric, all Presidents do that. Even your beloved Democratic Presidents did that. nothing new.

uh.. Lyric, all Presidents do that. Even your beloved Democratic Presidents did that. nothing new.

Well, Clinton preferred getting blowjobs, and inserting cigars into interns as a method of stress relief.

Lyric, what would be less gross to you:

1. A President drinking a shot of bourbon.
2. A President exchanging bodily fluids with a 19 year old intern and staining her dress.

You have no proof that Bush lied so why don't you shut up and stop repeating the liberal propaganda that you have been spoon fed.


Hey Corneliu, It's Stephistan, this is my puppet.. anyway, in fairness the truth is we don't know the truth. We don't know if Bush knew or not. He may have, perhaps he really didn't. But the truth is you can't say Bush didn't lie any more than some can say that he did. You don't know. I believe he did lie personally. You believe he didn't. There is certainly more evidence to suggest he did build the case for war around the policy and not the other way around. But whether he knew it was a lie or not is something you're not in a position to really say. And I'll agree as much as I believe he did lie, I can't say that for a fact either. But if he didn't lie, we know one thing, he was at least incompetent and so were those around him.

Lyric, what would be less gross to you:

1. A President drinking a shot of bourbon.
2. A President exchanging bodily fluids with a 19 year old intern and staining her dress.

I think that right there is what is known as a "low blow." I'm not complaining.

~ Romandeos.

Bullshit! I have never ONCE heard you have anything decent to say about a Democrat...and never once have I heard you say anything negative about a Republican!

Goes to show you haven't been in the right threads!

I bet you think connecticut Governor Rowland is innocent

You thought wrong!

I bet you think former Illinois Governor Jack Ryan is innocent,

About what? What crime did he commit?

and I bet you think Tom DeLay is innocent

Guilty until proven innocent? Sorry but this isn't an inquisitory society. We are an accusatorial society meaning innocent until proven guilty. Do I think he's guilty? I don't know. Do I think he's innocent? I don't know that either. Its not for me to decide if he's innocent or guilty. That is left to the jury.

and you probably think Ronnie Earle is a partisan hack who is just going after Republicans like DeLay...inspite of the fact that, of the fifteen politicains Earle has gone after in his career...TWELVE were Democrats, and only THREE were Republicans! Real fucking partisan guy, Ronnie Earle, ain't he??

I know next to nothing about him so why should I have an opinion about him if I really don't know anything about him? Now you are making unwarrented assumptions and I advise you stop it.

But no, you still won't accept it. I'm sure you fully believe DeLay is innocent, after all, HE's a Republican!!

I'm going to let a jury decide his guilt and innocence. I also have to see the evidence that the Prosecuting Attorny has before rendering a decision on guilt or innocence. Since the evidence isn't public, I have no way of knowing one way or the other.

FYI: I also started a thread on here for his second indictment. In that thread, I didn't say if he was guilty or not. We'll have to see what the evidence is and what the jury decides.

I think that right there is what is known as a "low blow." I'm not complaining.

~ Romandeos.

Technically, I have no problem with either.

I have no problem with people having a drink, if they aren't compromising their job performance by doing so (or failing their family).

I have no problem with people cheating on their spouses as long as the spouse knows. I have no problem with men taking advantage of their position of power to seduce young women as long as the young women are willing adults.

Hey Corneliu, It's Stephistan this is my puppet..

And your point is? :D

anyway, in fairness the truth is we don't know the truth. We don't know if Bush knew or not.

Exactly. Innocent until Proven guilty. Since no proof is there, then he is innocent in the eyes of the law.

He may have, perhaps he really didn't. But the truth is you can't say Bush didn't lie any more than some can say that he did.

Remember that the next time you spout that "bush lied" Also tell Canuckheaven the same as well as Dobbsworld :D

You don't know. I believe he did lie personally. You believe he didn't. There is certainly more evidence to suggest he did build the case for war around the policy and not the other way around. But whether he knew it was a lie or not is something you're not in a position to really say. And I'll agree as much as I believe he did lie, I can't say that for a fact either. But if he didn't lie, we know one thing, he was at least incompetent and so were those around him.

I can't argue with this. So why not we all just agree to disagree :)

I can't argue with this. So why not we all just agree to disagree :)

To be honest, I have come to the point that there is no point in arguing it any more. He has a few more years and then he's history. I suppose like most things (while not all) the real truth will come out in about 20 years when all his "secret" files and such are released under the FOA like any other president. At least I think it's 20 years until you can access them, unless he changed that law..lol. ;)

*looks between Steph and Cor.*

what?!? no lengthy debates? just nice civilitiy about disagreeing...

OMG!!!! the End Times are here!!!


*Faints* :D

I WANT YOU BANNED!

Can't get everything we want though. Bush has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be impeached for! You do know this I hope otherwise, its one more coffin in the Public Educational School System.

Thank God I was homeschooled. I have a better understanding on how the Government actually works.

As to this thread. Nothing to see here but a story for the enquirer? Boy isn't that funny. *goes off laughing*

Lyric and Corneliu: Both of you will knock it off with the attacks against each other, NOW.

*looks between Steph and Cor.*

what?!? no lengthy debates? just nice civilitiy about disagreeing...

OMG!!!! the End Times are here!!!


*Faints* :D

There are times when Steph and I can actually be civil to one another. It doesn't happen often but when it does, it kills an entire thread :D

Lyric and Corneliu: Both of you will knock it off with the attacks against each other, NOW.

Awww why to kill a debate :'(

But your point is well taken.

Lyric, I'm sorry for attacking you the way I did.

Hope it's true! Nothing I'd love better than to be able to hang yet another millstone around that bastard's neck!
Wishing bad things to happen to other people as a form of revenge doesn't look good on anyone.

As much as I dislike George Bush's politics, I would never wish anything bad to happen to him or his family.

There are times when Steph and I can actually be civil to one another. It doesn't happen often but when it does, it kills an entire thread :D

I'm pretty sure we have agreed on at least 5 or 6 things in 2005. That's actually not bad..lol :cool:

I'm pretty sure we have agreed on at least 5 or 6 things in 2005. That's actually not bad..lol :cool:

Only 5 or 6? Well that's a record for us! :D :cool:

Anyway, I do love debating you Steph. Even though we dont convince eachother its still fun.

So, just out of curiosity, does that mean you think the war in Iraq is wrong?


If our sole purpose of invading Iraq, destroying its opressive military regime and succesfully taking power from sadaam hussein and capturing him intact to stand trial was based only on the threat that he had weapons of mass destruction ,and he didnt actually have them-then yes, I dont agree with our soldiers losing their lives there.

I believe that aside from the biological weapons that were subsequently found, yet glossed over, Hussein DID have WMD available to him somewhere and would use offensively. He had plenty of time to hide them or move them before we went in. He had the cash, the motives and the opporotunity.

I wouldnt have based our action there soley on the WMD matter. And now, in hindsight know, that all intelligence has to be verified and verified and verified. You cant assume total responsibilty when appointees are going to feed you info you NEED to rely on. It has to be confirmed independantly. Which is going to be a huge problem.

So-though our stated reason for Iraq may have been flawed, the present and future outcome of our efforts has made and will make Iraq a better place for all concerned, with the exception, of course, of sadaam and his deck of villians and scumbags.

...and watched millions of jews die at the hands of a madman...
Jews were probably less than a third of the people who were killed in the Holocaust...I'm really getting sick of them. -_-

HE DID DAMN WELL TOO LIE!!! Why else were the words so carefully woven into the SOTU, as to give him a way to worm out later? consider the difference between "British intelligence has learned that..." and "Iraq attempted to obtain yellowcake uranium"
That is so incredibly weak, it makes my eyes collapse :(

Be damned if I'll EVER thank a Republican for anything!
Even if they hold a door for you? :(

Damn right I would. Because DeLay is a walking piece of shit!
So you really don't believe the law should protect people you don't like? O.o


Y ALL DA H8?

And the invasion was legal in the eyes of international law
No it wasn't. The UN had not approved it.

No it wasn't. The UN had not approved it.

Since the UN doesn't make the law..... your arguement doesn't hold any weight whatsoever.

I flipped through the National Enquirer (which I know isn't all that reliable) a few weeks ago and it did an article on how Bush was drinking agian. I didn't buy it until a few hours ago in a chatroom about Politics there was a lot of buzz about how some Washington insiders said Bush was being consoled by Jack Daniels.

Is any of it true or is this just my wishful thinking of exposing Bush as a hypocrite on ALL fronts?

He's drinking AGAIN? You mean he had actually stopped for awhile?

There's a rumor that you're my illigitimate offspring too, but that don't make it true! [ prays it's not true ] :D
Unless he is your illegitimate offspring

So the other day I heard from a little bird that eutrusca was dying his hair pink and was my third cousin

Since the UN doesn't make the law..... your arguement doesn't hold any weight whatsoever.
It does beg the question of why Bush tried to have the invasion greenlit by the UN in the first place, I'd have thought.

It does beg the question of why Bush tried to have the invasion greenlit by the UN in the first place, I'd have thought.

It would be nice however, the UN does have the power of law as well as enforcement of current law but it does not have the power to MAKE law.

It would be nice however, the UN does have the power of law as well as enforcement of current law but it does not have the power to MAKE law.
Or possibly he felt that his position would be improved if he'd been able to say "well, they didn't have any WMDs but the UN approved it, so it isn't my bad..." once events had progressed a bit. On the other hand, of course, he may just have thought it would provide him with a larger number of troops than America and Britain alone could supply.
Still makes me wonder about the first case, though.

You hope that the most powerful country on earth is being led by a residisiviscisitist alcoholic?

sounds like sour grapes to me :P
Is Bush Ruling China or Japan or UK????
well......sorry about my ignorance....which country were U talking abt?

Or possibly he felt that his position would be improved if he'd been able to say "well, they didn't have any WMDs but the UN approved it, so it isn't my bad..." once events had progressed a bit. On the other hand, of course, he may just have thought it would provide him with a larger number of troops than America and Britain alone could supply.
Still makes me wonder about the first case, though.

Feel free to wonder. I can't stop ya. All I can tell ya is that the UN doesn't make law but it does enforce current law and force of law but that's it.

Is Bush Ruling China or Japan or UK????
well......sorry about my ignorance....which country were U talking abt?

China and Japan are NOT military powers.

Britian is a military power but the US is the most powerful militarily. That is what he was talking about.

Is Bush Ruling China or Japan or UK????
well......sorry about my ignorance....which country were U talking abt?
He's certainly ruling the fucking uk. I have no idea where the hell you could get the idea that he doesn't.

Corneliu: this is true. The truly amusing part of that is that while Bush can't be done war crimes over the invasion of Iraq, Blair could be.

He's certainly ruling the fucking uk. I have no idea where the hell you could get the idea that he doesn't.

Funny, I didn't know the Stars and Stripes is flying over London. When did the UK give itself to the US?

Corneliu: this is true. The truly amusing part of that is that while Bush can't be done war crimes over the invasion of Iraq, Blair could be.

Why?

my main question still stands

Y ALL DA H8? :(

He's certainly ruling the fucking uk. I have no idea where the hell you could get the idea that he doesn't.


That my friend is certainly a matter of opinion and an opinion that I don't hold.

How in Hel's name did we get from Bush over indulging in alacholic beverages to claims that the United Kingdom has become another state?

my main question still stands

Y ALL DA H8? :(

Human Nature?

That my friend is certainly a matter of opinion and an opinion that I don't hold.

How in Hel's name did we get from Bush over indulging in alacholic beverages to claims that the United Kingdom has become another state?Wander, this thread does. On tangents, we do get. Talk like Yoda, I must stop.

boy aren't you something dude. you're the one who just started all the bullshit about religion too i think the purpose for wich you are here is to just cause arguments. exposing bush as a hypocrite on ALL fronts. i dont know how the hell you expect to do that just by seeing him in a magazine with a bottle of Jack Daniels. hell just cuz he drinks Jack dont make him a hypocrite. fucking retard

Well actually, it does to some extent, because his claim is that he was rescued from alcholism by Jesus, and becoming a "born-again".

Okay maybe it's not simply being a hypocrite - but doesn't this sort of suggest that the religious experience didn't take? Or would it be too much to suggest that God isn't powerful enough to stop Bush from drinking?

The mayor could have sent drivers to those school buses. Those buses could have evacuated a couple hundred people, maybe a thousand or two, before the hurricane hit.

Unlike what Fox News reported, NO had a TOTAL of 324 school busses..of which over 70 were inoperable. On top of that the buss drivers are NOT city/state employees. They work for private companies. They were not ALLOWED to come back and drive the busses because of the mandatory evacuation. School busses are private property and you can't necessarily rely on them in an emergency. That is why they didn't plan on them. It is better to plan with what you know you will have rather than what you could have in your best dream. The mayor used the city busses and DID evacuate almost everyone who wanted to. It was the mayor and Governor of NO/LA that saved peoples lives here, they are heros and should be recognized as such.

Plus, it was Bush who ordered the madatory evacuation. Yep. Louisiana had to be told to tell the people to get out.

Wrong again. Louisiana declared a state of emergency 2 days before landfall and started evacuating people.. Bush recevied the official letter from the governor on the same day it was issued and told her, and I quote "I've got your back." He then WAITED for several days before doing anything. Then when he did, the Parish with new Orleans magically dissapears off the request. We know it was on the Governors letter (it was published before landfall) and we know it wasn't on the letter Bush sent to FEMA AFTER landfall. The Governor had already ordered an evacuation 2 days before landfall and specifically requested $5 million to assist...which was NEVER delivered.


That's just one example of how partisan BS is often incorrect. Don't hate Bush because you're liberal. Don't hate him because you're a democrat. Partisanship led to beauracracy, which leads to red tape, poor decisions, and way too slow reaction time.

I can agree with you there. Agencies that have to respond fast should be kept as free of partisan hacks, like Brown, as much as possible.

I don't think Bush caused katrina. But I do think Bush and his policies caused
most of the destruction that resulted from katrina. For example, the levees. The Levees were designed to stand up to a storm surge consistant with a category 3 huricane. While Katrina was a Cat 4 when it hit, the storm surge was still within the design specs of the levees. The levees didn't fail because the water got over the top and washed them away. They failed because the buidget for the maint. was cut the last several years and they were no longer water tight.

The levees failed as a direct result of budetary choices that this president has made. By spending a few million on one of the most important port cities in the country we could have saved 200 billion and hundreds of lives. That is why I hate Bush.

Funny, I didn't know the Stars and Stripes is flying over London. When did the UK give itself to the US?
Shortly after Thatcher was elected, iirc. If you people are going to dictate our foreign policy, we should get to vote in your elections.


Why?
Because there wasn't anything resembling an attack on the UK that could be tenously connected to Iraq, even with falsified evidence.

No it wasn't. The UN had not approved it.

In response to this statement about the war in Iraq, America does not bow to the United Nations. We are a sovereign power with a decently stable government, etc... and have every right to take what actions we think are necessary to defend ourselves and the rest of the free world.

~ Romandeos.

Well actually, it does to some extent, because his claim is that he was rescued from alcholism by Jesus, and becoming a "born-again".

Okay maybe it's not simply being a hypocrite - but doesn't this sort of suggest that the religious experience didn't take? Or would it be too much to suggest that God isn't powerful enough to stop Bush from drinking?

I shall regret ever saying anything about this, but here goes...

God has the power to do anything He wants, but allows us make our own decisions about how we live our lives. He could make Bush stop drinking if He wanted to do so, but that might not be what He wishes to do, if Bush is even really drinking at all, which he could very well be.

~ Romandeos.

God has the power to do anything He wants, but he lets us make our own decisions about how we live our lives. He could make Bush stop drinking if He wanted to do so, but that might not be what He wishes to do, if Bush is even really drinking at all, which he could very well be.



Absolutly. For all we know the world was actually created 10 minutes ago. An all knowing and all powerfull being can do whatever he likes. All we can do is live our lives as we think is best.

Therefore your point about god stopping Bush's drinking is without merit. The only thing that matters is if George Walker Bush can stop his drinking.

I dispise the guy. I think he is little more than an 8 year old bully in a sandbox. However I do not think he is a bad person because of alcoholism. Actually that is one of the few things I respect about him. He realized that was something he could not handle and fixed it.

If he is drinking it speaks about the man George W Bush. It has nothing to do with god.

So what if he is? That will probably make his popularity sore. "Woooh! Alright Bush honey! You tell those liberals! You dont have to be smart or sober to be a good president!"

Absolutly. For all we know the world was actually created 10 minutes ago. An all knowing and all powerfull being can do whatever he likes. All we can do is live our lives as we think is best.

Therefore your point about God stopping Bush's drinking is without merit. The only thing that matters is if George Walker Bush can stop his drinking.

I dispise the guy. I think he is little more than an 8 year old bully in a sandbox. However I do not think he is a bad person because of alcoholism. Actually that is one of the few things I respect about him. He realized that was something he could not handle and fixed it.

If he is drinking it speaks about the man George W Bush. It has nothing to do with God.

EVERYTHING has to do with God. God is the Creator of All Things. Nothing happens in this world that He does not see. We can live our lives as we will, but what happens in this world is ultimately the product of His Will.

In regards to your '8 year old bully' remark, I think John Kerry is a coward who ran away from the enemy in Vietnam and ought to have been dragged before a firing squad or hanged, but he wasn't.

~ Romandeos.

I'm just amazed at the amount of argument an Article from The National Inquirer is provoking.

I'm just amazed at the amount of argument an Article from The National Inquirer is provoking.

I'm not surprised at all.

~ Romandeos.

EVERYTHING has to do with God. God is the Creator of All Things. Nothing happens in this world that He does not see.

In regards to your '8 year old bully' remark, I think John Kerry is a coward who ran away from the enemy in Vietnam and ought to have been dragged before a firing squad or hanged, but he wasn't.

~ Romandeos.


As opposed to running away from Texas because he couldn't pass a piss test.....

I am not a huge fan of Kerry either, but at least he had a pair big enough to get him over there in the first place.


As for God, I am not disagreeing with you. He sees all and knows all and can do ANYTHING. We could simply be glorified puppets. If that is the case then nothing we do matters. I could murder/torture/shoplift and it wouldn't mean anything because I am just a puppet and it is gods doing.

But, we know from the bible that god gave us free will. It is the ultimate gift. We don't just run on instinct like other animals. We are responible for our own actions. If I go on a shooting rampage or shoplift, it's not because god is evil, it is because I am.

My point is simply this. The actions of one George W. Bush are his responsibility. If he decides to start drinking the onus is on him...NOT god. If he decides to go sober the reward is on him...not god. Even if god decided to assist (not make because we still have free will) the responibility is still George's

You actually have a minor problem. Ok, I take that back, a big problem. The UN DOES NOT make law. They have the power of law and it enforces current International Law, but it does not make law.

Of course they don't. No one does. Technically, there even isn't such a thing as 'international law'. There are only the conventions and UN resolutions. But you get my point, right?



They violated the Cease-fire that gave them 15 days to comply and handover everything on their WMD program. They didn't do that. Twelve Years later, they still weren't fully complying with the UN Resolutions (again, ain't law but does enforce current law) and thus we moved in.

12 years? You're talking about twelve years AFTER the facts? That's like breaking someone's nose because he kissed your girlfriend in kindergarten, so to speak. They may not have fully complied, but they weren't bothering anyone either or breaking any other resolutions, where they?
And of course they didn't hand over their WMD program. That's the whole point, there apparently wasn't one. Kinda hard to hand it over then, isn't it?

12 years? You're talking about twelve years AFTER the facts? That's like breaking someone's nose because he kissed your girlfriend in kindergarten, so to speak. They may not have fully complied, but they weren't bothering anyone either or breaking any other resolutions, where they?
And of course they didn't hand over their WMD program. That's the whole point, there apparently wasn't one. Kinda hard to hand it over then, isn't it?

Well...then again there's their firing SAMs at our planes guarding the no-fly zones for years after the cease-fire :/

Well...then again there's their firing SAMs at our planes guarding the no-fly zones for years after the cease-fire :/


For which we immediatly bombed their ases and that was then end of it.

If you want to use that it is like breaking a guys nose who kissed your 4th grade girlfriend...


But, WE attacked them without provocation, without telling anyone...even congress. This is about 6 months before we went in, before Bush made it an issue, before he spoke to congress. The idea was to provoke a response and use that as an excuse....it didn't work.


Also, you should note that treaties are Consitutionally binding. They have the same weight as law in the US. We signed a treaty forming the UN, one part of that treaty said that attacking any other country without an imminent threat or UN approval was against the treaty and therefore against US law. The UN HAS the legitimacy of law, they just have no way of enforcing it without us. Iraq was no iminent threat. The excuses they tried to use 2 years ago were a stretch even then...and almost no one beleived them.

But, WE attacked them without provocation, without telling anyone...even congress. This is about 6 months before we went in, before Bush made it an issue, before he spoke to congress. The idea was to provoke a response and use that as an excuse....it didn't work.
Totally legitimate tactic, in my book. Attacking us means reopening the war, and nobody closed it afterward.

Also, you should note that treaties are Consitutionally binding. They have the same weight as law in the US. We signed a treaty forming the UN, one part of that treaty said that attacking any other country without an imminent threat or UN approval was against the treaty and therefore against US law. The UN HAS the legitimacy of law, they just have no way of enforcing it without us. Iraq was no iminent threat. The excuses they tried to use 2 years ago were a stretch even then...and almost no one beleived them.
Yeah, sucks

I guess you'll have to suspend the Constitution. The right to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence is a fundamental right.


Unless, of course, your name is Jose Padilla, right?

Lyric is wearing a tinfoil hat today.
Lyric wears a tinfoil hat every day.

Lyric, what would be less gross to you:

1. A President drinking a shot of bourbon.
2. A President exchanging bodily fluids with a 19 year old intern and staining her dress.
That's not a fair question, because you know my particular sensibilities in this area.

The difference is...with Clinton, we knew damn well we were getting a womanizer. With Bush...well, he claimed to be a teetotaller. He lied.

When Clinton lied, y'all right wingers were all over him like stink on shit.
When Bush lies, y'all ignore it or cover his ass for him.

Lyric and Corneliu: Both of you will knock it off with the attacks against each other, NOW.

HEY!! I did not attack Corneliu. I resent the implication that I did.

Corny attacked ME...and for no good reason.

YES...I attacked his ideology. YES...I attacked his political beliefs. YES, I attacked his favorite political party. I NEVER personally attacked him. I defy you to show me anywhere in this thread where I did.

HE...however, attacked me by saying he wanted me BANNED. All because I said I wanted Bush IMPEACHED. I attacked Corny's hero. I didn't attack Corny.

I have had him on ignore just about forever. If only he would return the favor, and put me on ignore, too...or quit replying to my posts, the problem would be solved.

But I'm not giving him the upper hand.

Awww why to kill a debate :'(

But your point is well taken.

Lyric, I'm sorry for attacking you the way I did.

You don't mean it.
You're sorry till when...the next thread?
You have proven time and again that you aren't sorry...so why say you are?

How about you PROVE you're sorry, and maybe then I will accept an apology. When it actually MEANS something.

China and Japan are NOT military powers.

Britian is a military power but the US is the most powerful militarily. That is what he was talking about.

China's not? That's news to me!

my main question still stands

Y ALL DA H8? :(

Because Republicans hate on me and my people. their agenda and policies show that they hate on me and my kind, so I return the hate in spades.

HEY!! I did not attack Corneliu. I resent the implication that I did.

Corny attacked ME...and for no good reason.

there was a good reason

you're mean :(

there was a good reason

you're mean :(

I tend to agree.

Lyric, you are quite mean.

there was a good reason

you're mean :(

That is no excuse to personally attack someone on this Forum. He flamed me. I did NOT flame him.
I attacked his political ideology, his political beliefs, and his political heroes...yes, I sure did. But I never attacked him PERSONALLY, and I defy you to give me an example in this thread, where I did.

I tend to agree.

Lyric, you are quite mean.

Why am I mean? Because I won't agree with YOU???

The Republicans do everything they can to oppress me and my kind, to keep us down, and to keep us miserable. I hate them for that.
They started hating on me and my kind first. I'm just returning the hatred in Spades. Can't take it? Then tell your little Republican heroes to leave me and my people alone, and quit picking on us.

That is no excuse to personally attack someone on this Forum. He flamed me. I did NOT flame him.
I attacked his political ideology, his political beliefs, and his political heroes...yes, I sure did. But I never attacked him PERSONALLY, and I defy you to give me an example in this thread, where I did.

I have seen you many times on this forum. You do attack people of conservative political beliefs, beacuse you claim that they, personally, are "hating on your people".

I have seen it before. Would you like me to dig up an example?

EDIT: *points to above post*

That is no excuse to personally attack someone on this Forum. He flamed me. I did NOT flame him.
I attacked his political ideology, his political beliefs, and his political heroes...yes, I sure did. But I never attacked him PERSONALLY, and I defy you to give me an example in this thread, where I did.
I'm not gonna look. Your frothing-at-the-mouth hatred is what bothers me, not whether you make what you would consider personal attacks. After all, we probably disagree on what that would mean anyway.

I have seen you many times on this forum. You do attack people of conservative political beliefs, beacuse you claim that they, personally, are "hating on your people".

I have seen it before. Would you like me to dig up an example?

EDIT: *points to above post*
Never once have I singled out a specific NS player, and attacked them PERSONALLY because of thier beliefs. You can't say the same for Corny. He wished me BANNED. ME, PERSONALLY. And just because he does not like my opinion. Well, too damn bad if he doesn't...I have a right to my opinion.

Sure, I have attacked the conservative ideology. I think it is horrible and mean-spirited and selfish, and everything that is wrong with this country.

Never once have I singled out a specific NS player, and attacked them PERSONALLY because of thier beliefs. You can't say the same for Corny. He wished me BANNED. ME, PERSONALLY. And just because he does not like my opinion. Well, too damn bad if he doesn't...I have a right to my opinion.

Sure, I have attacked the conservative ideology. I think it is horrible and mean-spirited and selfish, and everything that is wrong with this country.

I am 90% certain you would be a dirty liar if you said you didn't want Corny banned, just for disagreeing with you :P

You're no better than your republican analogues. XD

Why am I mean? Because I won't agree with YOU???

The Republicans do everything they can to oppress me and my kind, to keep us down, and to keep us miserable. I hate them for that.
They started hating on me and my kind first. I'm just returning the hatred in Spades. Can't take it? Then tell your little Republican heroes to leave me and my people alone, and quit picking on us.

I believe that this constitutes a personal attack, as I was quoted inthe beginning of this post.

You have a lot of anger. You need to calm down.

Bullshit! I have never ONCE heard you have anything decent to say about a Democrat...and never once have I heard you say anything negative about a Republican!

I bet you think connecticut Governor Rowland is innocent, I bet you think former Illinois Governor Jack Ryan is innocent, and I bet you think Tom DeLay is innocent, and you probably think Ronnie Earle is a partisan hack who is just going after Republicans like DeLay...inspite of the fact that, of the fifteen politicains Earle has gone after in his career...TWELVE were Democrats, and only THREE were Republicans! Real fucking partisan guy, Ronnie Earle, ain't he??

But no, you still won't accept it. I'm sure you fully believe DeLay is innocent, after all, HE's a Republican!!


I believe this is a personal attack.

I believe this is a personal attack.
also a nice string of assumptions :P

I am 90% certain you would be a dirty liar if you said you didn't want Corny banned, just for disagreeing with you :P

You're no better than your republican analogues. XD

That's a trap. I'm not going for it. The point is...what my own private thoughts are...are my business. Whether or not your statement is true, I NEVER GAVE VOICE TO SUCH A DESIRE.

1. He fucking KNEW it was bad intel from jump street! He lied, you know it, so why not just fucking admit it already?? Repeat after me...GEORGE BUSH LIED!!

2. Didn't say that. You can hold someone without bail. But Jose Padilla was held indefinitely, with no actual charges being brought against him...and without being allowed contact with family...or with legal counsel. that is in violation of Habeus Corpus. Human garbage Padilla may well have been, but he still has a right to have his day in court...to have formal charges brought against him...to be represented by legal counsel, and the right to a speedy trial...followed by his release, or by his conviction. Instead, he was being held indefinitely, with no charges brought against him, and he was being held incommunicado...all in violation of the Constitution.

3. Bullshit. Not suspension of Habeus Corpus! He could still have been held, in maximum security, without bail, had formal charges brought against him...been afforded legal counsel....and given a fair and speedy trial. This did not occur.

4. You think I didn't have family who fought in wars?!?! I don't owe YOUR family jack shit, and don't you dare act as if I do. I'll thank MY family who fought in wars, thank you very much. At least MY family has the correct political beliefs. Be damned if I'll EVER thank a Republican for anything!

Pretty much the entire 4th paragraph.

I believe this is a personal attack.

In what way?

Never once have I singled out a specific NS player, and attacked them PERSONALLY because of thier beliefs. You can't say the same for Corny. He wished me BANNED. ME, PERSONALLY. And just because he does not like my opinion. Well, too damn bad if he doesn't...I have a right to my opinion.

Sure, I have attacked the conservative ideology. I think it is horrible and mean-spirited and selfish, and everything that is wrong with this country.yes you have attacked a specific NS Player. you have accused me of being "against you and yours" because I don't stand up next to you and fight for your beliefs, even when I say I neither support or oppose you and your causes.

Pretty much the entire 4th paragraph.
no, he tried to place his family on a pedestal, as if I owed them something...and discounted the notion that perhaps members of MY family had also gone off to fight in wars.
I said I would thank MY OWN FAMILY who'd gone off to fight.

I don't owe anyone anything I don't wish to owe them, and I'm not beholden to his family...as he tried to place me beholden to them. I merely pointed that out.

Again, that is an attack in what way?

And, even if it was, and it was not...let us not forget who fired the first salvo, way back there in wishing me BANNED.

Oh, but that's just perfectly fine, though, isn't it? Fine when someone attacks ME. You have no problem with that, do you?

yes you have attacked a specific NS Player. you have accused me of being "against you and yours" because I don't stand up next to you and fight for your beliefs, even when I say I neither support or oppose you and your causes.
I SAID FIND AN EXAMPLE IN THIS THREAD!! BECAUSE IT WAS IN THIS THREAD I WAS ACCUSED OF IT!!

That's a trap. I'm not going for it. The point is...what my own private thoughts are...are my business. Whether or not your statement is true, I NEVER GAVE VOICE TO SUCH A DESIRE.

I'm not trying to get you to incriminate yourself any more. I'm just telling you that your hatred appears to be identical to that you ascribe (falsely) to every republican. What kind of person would I be if I believed all democrats are out to get me and cause me pain? In other words, what kind of person are you?

psychotic

I'm not trying to get you to incriminate yourself any more. I'm just telling you that your hatred appears to be identical to that you ascribe (falsely) to every republican. What kind of person would I be if I believed all democrats are out to get me and cause me pain? In other words, what kind of person are you?

psychotic

One who understand that the Republican Party is the party of the ricvh, the white, the heterosexual, and the Christian. In other words...the Party that will do me absolutely no favors...and, in fact, will often go out of it's way to hurt me and my kind.

I'm not trying to get you to incriminate yourself any more. I'm just telling you that your hatred appears to be identical to that you ascribe (falsely) to every republican. What kind of person would I be if I believed all democrats are out to get me and cause me pain? In other words, what kind of person are you?

psychotic

Oh, and blacking it out, when it becomes visible with a mouse click, does not absolve you of the crime of flaming.

One who understand that the Republican Party is the party of the ricvh, the white, the heterosexual, and the Christian. In other words...the Party that will do me absolutely no favors...and, in fact, will often go out of it's way to hurt me and my kind.
What kind of favors?

Oh, and blacking it out, when it becomes visible with a mouse click, does not absolve you of the crime of flaming.
I know, I just didn't wanna ruin the surprise XD

Just because someone drinks jack daniels doesnt mean they are acholic.

I believe that this constitutes a personal attack, as I was quoted inthe beginning of this post.

You have a lot of anger. You need to calm down.

No. People need to quit riling me up.

Pugna']Just because someone drinks jack daniels doesnt mean they are acholic.
what if he was drinking muscatel

What kind of favors?

Oh, let's see...how about outlawing discrimination in employment for starters?

How about allowing me and my people to marry whoever the hell they wish to marry?

How's that for starters?

One who understand that the Republican Party is the party of the ricvh, the white, the heterosexual, and the Christian. In other words...the Party that will do me absolutely no favors...and, in fact, will often go out of it's way to hurt me and my kind.

So, anyone that is remotly connected to the Republican Party has "hated on your people" (which, BTW, are not recognized by the government an a minority), is evil.

Rather judgemental, eh?

No. People need to quit riling me up.
Ok, guys, the joke's gone on long enough. He's starting to get pissed. Let's stop pretending to have our own opinions.

So, anyone that is remotly connected to the Republican Party has "hated on your people" (which, BTW, are not recognized by the government an a minority), is evil.

Rather judgemental, eh?

Oh...so...because the government doesn't recognize us as a minority with rights...it's okay to hate on us, and discriminate us, and deny us the ability to earn a living for ourselves? I understand.

Oh, let's see...how about outlawing discrimination in employment for starters?

How about allowing me and my people to marry whoever the hell they wish to marry?

How's that for starters?
First is moot, and the second I agree with as long as they're both adults. I guess I must not be a republican.

Lyric

do you work and pay taxes?

if so, then republican (general) policies would make more sense for you.

work: lower taxes on business = more job opportunities (won't get into it... has to do with encouraging entrepreneurialism and also allowing corps more money to pay their employees/keep more jobs open)

taxes: there are likely exceptions, but by and large, republicans want to tax you less than democrats do. what does this mean? obvious: you get to decide what to do with more of your hard-earned money.

that's the financial/jobs side.

of course there may be social-issue reasons for you to vote Dem.

No. People need to quit riling me up.
Come fucking on!

I've seen you around here. You respond to arguments by swearing and cussing them out! Almost every post you make has some form of fuck in it.

People give you respect, and you give them shit about how you and "your people" are mistreated, and it's all THEIR fault, and you act like they owe you something!

Newsflash! Internet, no one CARES!

I'm gone, I'll end up getting myself banned if I keep going.

Good luck, Lyric. Hopefully, you will eventually realise that the world isn't out to get you, and all Conservatives are not Nazis.

Peace.

No. People need to quit riling me up.unforutnatly, the only person you can tame your anger and control it is yourself. you cant blame being 'riled up' on anyone else.

and it doesn't matter if it's on this thread or any other thread. it's something that happens in any thread where you lose control of your temper. you can be a plesant debator when you are pissed off. when you get pissed off, then you start flaming, personal attacks and give prime examples of the same hatred you say is being dumped on you.

WOW!

I just make a post about a few rumors and it's turned into a massive UBER THREAD 3000!

Now just so we are all clear on this, Bush Drinking is (so far) just rumors so take it with a grain of salt. But considering all the crap hes gone through I wouldn't be suprised if he relapsed.

WOW!

I just make a post about a few rumors and it's turned into a massive UBER THREAD 3000!

Now just so we are all clear on this, Bush Drinking is (so far) just rumors so take it with a grain of salt. But considering all the crap hes gone through I wouldn't be suprised if he relapsed.
We have to watch for him to show up in public in a dirty wifebeater

then we will have proof of crimes

We have to watch for him to show up in public in a dirty wifebeater

then we will have proof of crimes

LOL

This is the most horrible and funniest thing I've read in a while!

LOL

This is the most horrible and funniest thing I've read in a while!
thanks :)

WOW!

I just make a post about a few rumors and it's turned into a massive UBER THREAD 3000!

Now just so we are all clear on this, Bush Drinking is (so far) just rumors so take it with a grain of salt. But considering all the crap hes gone through I wouldn't be suprised if he relapsed.

I think your thread is a victim of the Lyric effect. Someone says something vaguely apologetic about Bush, Conservatives or Repbulicans or just something that generally pisses her off and suddenly an unassuming little thread grows exponentially with her cussing and swearing and everyone else cussing and swearing right back at her. Pointless to be a part of, but always fun to watch.

I think your thread is a victim of the Lyric effect. Someone says something vaguely apologetic about Bush, Conservatives or Repbulicans or just something that generally pisses her off and suddenly an unassuming little thread grows exponentially with her cussing and swearing and everyone else cussing and swearing right back at her. Pointless to be a part of, but always fun to watch.
I'm new to this effect, but I found it fun to participate. :)

Lyric

1. do you work and pay taxes?

if so, then republican (general) policies would make more sense for you.

2. work: lower taxes on business = more job opportunities (won't get into it... has to do with encouraging entrepreneurialism and also allowing corps more money to pay their employees/keep more jobs open)

3. taxes: there are likely exceptions, but by and large, republicans want to tax you less than democrats do. what does this mean? obvious: you get to decide what to do with more of your hard-earned money.

that's the financial/jobs side.

4. of course there may be social-issue reasons for you to vote Dem.

1. No, I do not work and pay taxes. Republicans have seen to that by trashing the fucking economy. You see, as a transsexual, I belong to a group many consider "undesireable." Well, in rotten economic times, we "undesireables" are always the first thrown on the shit heap. And we're always the last dragged off the shit-heap when economic times get good. Were you aware that fully SEVENTY PERCENT of my people are un- and or under-employed?? Can you find me any other single group that is so economically devastated? Not even inner-city black males have it this bad!

Incidentally, by not stepping up to the plate, and passing laws forbidding discrimination, Republicans have contributed to this problem. Additionally, their outright hostile attitude towards GLBT people makes it seem perfectly okay for everyone to shit on us...adding even MORE obstacles for us to overcome in order to be gainfully employed and self-sufficient...and employed at a level befitting our skills.

2. Horseshit! Where's the goddamn job opportunities?!? If you call flippin' fuckin' burgers a goddamn OPPORTUNITY...then YOU go flip burgers! I have 15 years of experience in data entry/clerical/administrative and office jobs. I did not accumulate 15 years of professional experience, so that I could go and flip fuckin' burgers, or pluck fuckin' chickens, or work at Wal-Fucking-Mart, or work with a bunch of unskilled laborers who never graduated high school...in a sweat shop or an assembly line! THERE IS NO GODDAMN JOB OPPORTUNITY...NOT ANYWHERE!!
Every temp agency keeps telling me there is no work, no work, no work. Oh, they have plenty of "light industrial" meaning, working on an assembly line, in a sweatshop, with a bunch of unskilled laborers who never finished high school. sorry, but that shit is BENEATH me. And, no...lower taxes just allow corporations to hike the salaries of their CEO's and top executives, and piss away the rest in extra dividends to white-collar assholes who don't actually know REAL WORK. They don't give us lowly peon WORKERS anything like pay raises or create new jobs! In fact, they continually cut benefits for workers, to the point where many Americans work full time and STILL don't have health insurance. And maybe NOMINAL wages have gone up, but our BUYING POWER sure as shit has not! You proceed from a false assumption that corporations give a crap about their workers. They don't. All they care about are their stockholders, and their fat-cat executives. The rest of us, as far as the average corporation is concerned, can go take a flying fuck at the moon.

3. Again, bullshit. The Republicans want to tax you less...ONLY IF YOU ARE ALREADY WEALTHY!! They gove piddly-shit to no tax relief whatsoever to Joe and Jane Sixpack who do the REAL WORK in this country! All the goodies go to wealthy people who don't freaking NEED any more goodies. High time some of that "trickle down" started to trickle down. But it doesn't, and it never has. "Trickle down" proceeds from the false premise that corporations have ethics. They don't. A rising tide does not lift all boats. Some of us have had our boats anchored down, and that rising tide comes along and SINKS our boat! And some of us are not even fortunate enough to have a boat...we stay alfoat by grabbing onto anything that floats, up to and including the shithouse door left from someone else's shipwreck! We have all we can fucking do just to keep our heads above water!

And, no we DON'T get to decide what to do with more of our money, because WE ARE NOT MAKING MORE!!
And even if there is a tiny tax decrease for us, so what? Exxon-Mobil and the rest of them more than ate up what piddly tax rebate we mighta gotten, anyway, and so we have jack-shit. No, if we have any lower taxes, EXXON-MOBIL GETS TO DECIDE WHAT WE WILL DO WITH THAT EXTRA MONEY!! Of course, Exxon-Mobil decided that we should give that extra money to them! Even assuming there IS any extra money, and you still can't convince me that there is. I look at my own life, and I see the economic hurt all around me. everyone I know is suffering economically...except, of course, the already-wealthy...the CEO's and the white-collar folks. Everyone else is choosing between gasoline and food...or heating oil and food....or medicine and food...or medical care and food.

And it is ALL THE REPUBLICANS FAULT!!

4. Bet your ass there are social-issue reasons why I'm a Democrat! Sure as shit the Republicans aren't gonna take MY side on any social issue.

Come fucking on!

I've seen you around here. You respond to arguments by swearing and cussing them out! Almost every post you make has some form of fuck in it.

People give you respect, and you give them shit about how you and "your people" are mistreated, and it's all THEIR fault, and you act like they owe you something!

Newsflash! Internet, no one CARES!

I'm gone, I'll end up getting myself banned if I keep going.

Good luck, Lyric. Hopefully, you will eventually realise that the world isn't out to get you, and all Conservatives are not Nazis.

Peace.


Well, if conservatives would stop ACTING like Nazis, maybe I wouldn't believe they all were Nazis. Ya think??

I think your thread is a victim of the Lyric effect. Someone says something vaguely apologetic about Bush, Conservatives or Repbulicans or just something that generally pisses her off and suddenly an unassuming little thread grows exponentially with her cussing and swearing and everyone else cussing and swearing right back at her. Pointless to be a part of, but always fun to watch.

No. WHAT PISSES ME OFF IS THE APOLOGISTS WHO ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE FACTS THAT DISCRIMINATION DOES HAPPEN!!

What pisses me off is the apologists who refuse to accept that this country's economy sucks!

Hey...did we...or did we NOT....almost ALL of us have jobs when CLINTON was President? I kmow, sure as hell, I never had trouble getting jobs when CLINTON was President.

It's seemed to me like he's lost a lot of confidence lately. He looks more down and appears almost timid when he speaks. It's sad.

Clinton went through a phase like that in his second term too, gained weight and lost a bit of steam.

It must be a presidential thing.

*cough*Maybe its because, well, I hate to say it but, America is one of the most hated nations in the world behind Jihadist nations from my outside view, and its not because you're mainly rich and white (although that may have some affect) But to everyone thats in trouble at the moment have a :fluffle:

Yo mama so stupid she took a ruler to bed to see how long she slept.

Shortly after Thatcher was elected, iirc. If you people are going to dictate our foreign policy, we should get to vote in your elections.

Fine then but we should be able to vote in yours too. Guess what? We don't control Britain. If they want to join us in something, fine. If not, that is fine too.

Because there wasn't anything resembling an attack on the UK that could be tenously connected to Iraq, even with falsified evidence.

Prove that the info was falsified! Oh wait, it can't be done. Nvm

Of course they don't. No one does. Technically, there even isn't such a thing as 'international law'. There are only the conventions and UN resolutions. But you get my point, right?

Actually no I don't. You are right there technically isn't international law however, Treaties are laws that must be followed as are conventions. UN Resolutions aren't laws but are used as enforcement of current laws.

Treaties are binding as are agreements. Violate one of those and in legality, you violate international law. International Law is a concept.

12 years? You're talking about twelve years AFTER the facts? That's like breaking someone's nose because he kissed your girlfriend in kindergarten, so to speak.

The two don't even compare. Hussien spent the 12 years after the 1st Persian Gulf War violating everything from UN Resolutions to a bonified cease-fire agreement. He's been violating the law for the last 12 years. Something had to be done and the UN didn't even back up their own resolutions. Is it little wonder that the US and her allies decided to follow International Law norms about violating a cease-fire?

They may not have fully complied, but they weren't bothering anyone either or breaking any other resolutions, where they?

Just the 17 that they had as well as a cease-fire. I don't know about you but action was necessary. Once a Cease-fire is violated, war picks up where it left off. That is customary. Customs like this one is recognized as legal under International Law. Weren't bothering anyone? If they weren't then why did the kingdom of Saudi Arabia keep us in their nation? Why did Kuwait feared Hussien?

And of course they didn't hand over their WMD program. That's the whole point, there apparently wasn't one. Kinda hard to hand it over then, isn't it?

We all know he had them. The question still remains though! Did he actually destroy them? So far, there has been no evidence to this effect. Or did he moved them somewhere? What were in those truck convoys that went into Syria?

Well...then again there's their firing SAMs at our planes guarding the no-fly zones for years after the cease-fire :/

Yea. And you know what? Those were actually UN Approved too.

BEFORE CH jumps on this one, don't bother. I got it confirmed through my Intl Law Professor who has wrote extensively about the UN.

You don't mean it.
You're sorry till when...the next thread?
You have proven time and again that you aren't sorry...so why say you are?

Actually, I did mean it.

How about you PROVE you're sorry, and maybe then I will accept an apology. When it actually MEANS something.

I won't attack you anymore. I'll try to debate you in a civilized manner but that has to go both ways.

China's not? That's news to me!

Not militarily they aren't. That is common knowledge. They don't have the force projection capacity that the US does. They can't even move troops off of their own shores.

Not yet at any rate.

no, he tried to place his family on a pedestal, as if I owed them something...and discounted the notion that perhaps members of MY family had also gone off to fight in wars.
I said I would thank MY OWN FAMILY who'd gone off to fight.

I did? No I didn't. I was saying that my family has defended your right to bully, blame, and spout hatred.

I don't owe anyone anything I don't wish to owe them, and I'm not beholden to his family...as he tried to place me beholden to them. I merely pointed that out.

Tell your family that has served, thanks for serving the USA! It is much appreciated.

And, even if it was, and it was not...let us not forget who fired the first salvo, way back there in wishing me BANNED.

And I apologized for said remarks.

Oh, but that's just perfectly fine, though, isn't it? Fine when someone attacks ME. You have no problem with that, do you?

Do you have a problem with attacking other people?

Lyric, You made a very strong decision when you chose to under-go a sex change operation, im sure that you knew other transexuals, and you had the opportunity to learn that 70% of transexuals are un or under employed before you decided to under go the operations,

you still made the decision, you have to live with the consecences,

also i honesly dont think that your life would improve a huge amount if the democrats were in power, the 'undesirables' will generally not be favoured by a political party, especially in a country like America, where culturally these 'undesirables' are frowned upon, a political party would loose more votes than they would gain if they were open about their support of 'undesirables',

Im not saying this is right, but it is in the human nature of the people in your society, you knew that, now you have to live with that

Also, how did the republicans fucking the economy impact on you getting a job? the republicans dont set cultural views, politics is shaped by cultural views (whilst this can be symboyotic)

Your part of one of the smallest minorities in America, If you want to raise the public opinion of Transexuals, i would suggest that you dont start by agrivating the majority of society

Actually, I did mean it.



I won't attack you anymore. I'll try to debate you in a civilized manner but that has to go both ways.

I never DID attack YOU. Only your political beliefs, and your ideology, and your political heroes. and I'm not going to stop, either, because I bitterly hate all of them.
But you have no right to consider an attack of mine against George Bush as a personal attack on you. Sorry, but it's open season on Bush, and I am going to attack him every single chance I get. Along with all other Republican politicians.

None of them is safe from my hatred. (Except Arlen Specter...he's proved to be a decent guy...but, then, he's also an old-school Republican, not a motherfuckin' neocon.)

Not militarily they aren't. That is common knowledge. They don't have the force projection capacity that the US does. They can't even move troops off of their own shores.

Not yet at any rate.

Is that why we are so worried about them trying to take over Taiwan? Is that why we are so worried about supposed nuclear secrets having been given to China? I'm confused....:?:

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And, even if it was, and it was not...let us not forget who fired the first salvo, way back there in wishing me BANNED.



And I apologized for said remarks.


but you still said them. and you meant them when you said them. and it was uncalled for. and it was flame. and I still don't believe that you REALLY mean your apology. You've a lot of proving to do before I'll consider that you actually MEANT your apology.

1. Lyric, You made a very strong decision when you chose to under-go a sex change operation, im sure that you knew other transexuals, and you had the opportunity to learn that 70% of transexuals are un or under employed before you decided to under go the operations,

you still made the decision, you have to live with the consecences,

2. also i honesly dont think that your life would improve a huge amount if the democrats were in power, the 'undesirables' will generally not be favoured by a political party, especially in a country like America, where culturally these 'undesirables' are frowned upon, a political party would loose more votes than they would gain if they were open about their support of 'undesirables',

Im not saying this is right, but it is in the human nature of the people in your society, you knew that, now you have to live with that

3. Also, how did the republicans fucking the economy impact on you getting a job? the republicans dont set cultural views, politics is shaped by cultural views (whilst this can be symboyotic)

Your part of one of the smallest minorities in America, If you want to raise the public opinion of Transexuals, i would suggest that you dont start by agrivating the majority of society

1. First of all, that is an incredibly insensitive remark to make. do you think that what I did was a fucking CHOICE?!?! Have you any idea the amount of mental anguish that is caused by GID (Gender Identity Disorder?) If not, then I invite you to read up on it before opening your pie-hole to make insensitive comments.

2. I DO believe my life would improve under Democrats, only because THEY care more about workers, and AMERICAN WORKERS...and domestic issues, and they would improve the economy, so that jobs would not be so scarce, and maybe I could find a decent place to get off the shit heap!
I know that the only times I have EVER had a hard time finding a job, in my entire life, both pre-and post-op, have been when we had a Republican President! 1991 was a shit year for me, too. And before that, I was not of working age...but I can tell you the Reagan years completely sucked for my family, we barely survived them! Carter, on the other hand...shit, we were RICH!!!
Republicans have taken everything away from me. If anything was ever taken away from me in my life, you can bet your ass it was a Republican that took it. and always with malice, too.

3. simple. Fewer jobs available. more people need jobs. More competition for jobs. This equals less chance for me to get a job, especially since I am an "undesireable." And it also results in lower wages for everyone. Because people are willing to work for less for fear of not having a job at all! And workers rights go to hell, because people are afraid to speak up and possibly lose their own job, so they take shit they ordinarily wouldn't.

God-DAMN, why can't you right-wingers wake up and smell the fucking coffee??

Lyric, You made a very strong decision when you chose to under-go a sex change operation, im sure that you knew other transexuals, and you had the opportunity to learn that 70% of transexuals are un or under employed before you decided to under go the operations,

you still made the decision, you have to live with the consecences,

also i honesly dont think that your life would improve a huge amount if the democrats were in power, the 'undesirables' will generally not be favoured by a political party, especially in a country like America, where culturally these 'undesirables' are frowned upon, a political party would loose more votes than they would gain if they were open about their support of 'undesirables',

Im not saying this is right, but it is in the human nature of the people in your society, you knew that, now you have to live with that

Also, how did the republicans fucking the economy impact on you getting a job? the republicans dont set cultural views, politics is shaped by cultural views (whilst this can be symboyotic)

Your part of one of the smallest minorities in America, If you want to raise the public opinion of Transexuals, i would suggest that you dont start by agrivating the majority of society


incidentally...one more insensitive comment out of you, and you are going on my ignore list. I don't need my blood pressure raised by you.

Wow

This is getting funnier and funnier

Does anybody even care about Lyric's problems anymore?

If blood pressure is a problem, I'm surprised Lyric hasn't exploded yet. O.O

Wow

This is getting funnier and funnier

Does anybody even care about Lyric's problems anymore?

If blood pressure is a problem, I'm surprised Lyric hasn't exploded yet. O.O

Yeah...so why don't we just keep right on picking away at Lyric, so we can all laugh when she finally does explode...and feel real good about ourselves for causing it.

I never DID attack YOU. Only your political beliefs, and your ideology, and your political heroes. and I'm not going to stop, either, because I bitterly hate all of them.

I have no political heros. As for your hatred, I don't care. By hating someone because of ideology, you have closed your mind. You must have an open mind when your dealing with politics. You never know when someone is going to have an idea that you actually like. If that person is from an ideology that is different from yours then your going to miss out on a great opportunity.

But you have no right to consider an attack of mine against George Bush as a personal attack on you.

I don't care if you attack GWB. However, when you resort to insults, that doesn't sit well with me. I don't care if you don't like the man. Hell, even I don't like him in regards to different issues, but when you resort to insults, anything you might say is swept away. The minute you insult, it invalidates whatever points you make.

Sorry, but it's open season on Bush, and I am going to attack him every single chance I get. Along with all other Republican politicians.

Fine then. Its open season on all Democrat Politicians. If you want to start the war, be my guest but don't go running to the mods when your favorite politicians start getting blasted. Everything runs both ways you know!

Is that why we are so worried about them trying to take over Taiwan? Is that why we are so worried about supposed nuclear secrets having been given to China? I'm confused....:?:

They already have nukes however they are more worried about Taiwan than us because they consider it a province.

However, Taiwan is technically a recognized country. Recognized by 29 or so countries. Thanks to Carter, we pulled our own recognition and gave it to the other China and that China took Taiwan's seat at the UNSC.

China may have more men but their equipment is out of date. However, they are trying to modernize but I am betting that their economy will collapse before they get truly modernized.

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And, even if it was, and it was not...let us not forget who fired the first salvo, way back there in wishing me BANNED.




but you still said them. and you meant them when you said them. and it was uncalled for. and it was flame. and I still don't believe that you REALLY mean your apology. You've a lot of proving to do before I'll consider that you actually MEANT your apology.

Actually, that was only one shot in many fired between you and I. It was actualy you that fired the first salvo at me when you and I mixed it up the first time.

Wow

This is getting funnier and funnier

Does anybody even care about Lyric's problems anymore?

If blood pressure is a problem, I'm surprised Lyric hasn't exploded yet. O.O

Actually I don't. She needs to learn to control her temper if she expects to get hired. Not to mention, she needs to keep her mouth shut regarding her operation.

Yeah...so why don't we just keep right on picking away at Lyric, so we can all laugh when she finally does explode...and feel real good about ourselves for causing it.

Lyric, you do bring this upon yourself with your anger. If you learn to control it, then maybe you won't get whacked so hard in here. Once you start to show anger, people will poke and prode you to get a full emotional response.

You are easily bated by your hatred of ideology and those that disagree with you. It is little wonder that people bait a response out of you.

Learn not to give into your anger and you might actually learn something.

Funniest...Thread...EVAR!

L-O-L!

Fine then. Its open season on all Democrat Politicians. If you want to start the war, be my guest but don't go running to the mods when your favorite politicians start getting blasted. Everything runs both ways you know!

Yep. You really meant that apology. :rolleyes:
Apologize and yet keep doing the very things that you know pisses off the other person.

Yep. You really meant that apology. :rolleyes:
Apologize and yet keep doing the very things that you know pisses off the other person.

Well your hatred really makes my blood boil. You really do need to control that anger.

I offered u an apology that you refused to acknowledge nor accept. It goes to show that no matter if someone tries to apologize to you, you slight them. I have no hidden agenda with my apology.

My apology is still there.

Yep. You really meant that apology. :rolleyes:
Apologize and yet keep doing the very things that you know pisses off the other person.
ooga booga bush is hero ;)

if you perceive anyone saying anything you don't agree with as a deliberate attempt to anger you, then you're going to die a furious and miserable person, and probably many years before you would if you could relax

(and a lot of people will try to help you along just out of spite)

ooga booga bush is hero ;)

if you perceive anyone saying anything you don't agree with as a deliberate attempt to anger you, then you're going to die a furious and miserable person, and probably many years before you would if you could relax

(and a lot of people will try to help you along just out of spite)

People like you, for instance?

woah.. all this from "so is he drinking?".. dayem

woah.. all this from "so is he drinking?".. dayem

We got a teesie weensie bit sidetracked.

We got a teesie weensie bit sidetracked.
Ah. anything i should care to read in these 15 orso pages?

Ah. anything i should care to read in these 15 orso pages?

Meh, Lyric and Corneliu got into a shouting match. Euroslavia interjected. Corneliu apoligized. Lyric didn't accept it.

Same old shit. Bah.

sounds fun

sounds fun

It was.

Seriously, NS general is my primary source of entertainment in the day.

People like you, for instance?
Yeah, people like me. I can't resist throwing crap on a fire, no matter how bad it winds up smelling as a result :D

Can't say as I blame him. He's at the lowest point of his administration yet, dealing with several major political battles at once, and he probably realizes that he has four more years of this. If I were in his position, screw Jack Daniels. I'd go for Smirnoff.

Truthfully, I wouldn't have put myself in his situation. Then again, I'm not a dumbass and I was raised a lot more appropriately.

Yep. Contrary to popular belief, the main reason Washington didn’t go for a third term, was not because he feared the power of a long sitting president, but because he felt that eight years was already too much for a man to handle.

Washington could have handled it, had he not that killer jaw ache from the rotting jaw bone he had that tortured him every day. He's was friggin George Washington. The guy was almost diefied by the people at the time.