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http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1187030&page=1

Officials tell ABC News the alleged spy worked undetected at the White House for almost three years. Leandro Aragoncillo, 46, was a U.S. Marine most recently assigned to the staff of Vice President Dick Cheney.

"I don't know of a case where the vetting broke down before and resulted in a spy being in the White House," said Richard Clarke, a former White House advisor who is now an ABC News consultant.

So...how's the weather?

Damn, we don’t have much time. Now that his assistant is exposed, it’s only a matter of time before Cheney is ratted out. HE will be exposed and the assimilation will soon begin. To arms my brothers! Down with the cyborg!

So...how's the weather?

Not bad, actually...

Damn, we don’t have much time. Now that his assistant is exposed, it’s only a matter of time before Cheney is ratted out. HE will be exposed and the assimilation will soon begin. To arms my brothers! Down with the cyborg!

You don't get it, do you? Dick Cheney is out there, he can't be reasoned with, he can't be bargained with, he doesn't remorse or pity and he will not stop, EVER!

It's down right disturbing that a spy could work in the White House for so long. Fortunatly, this time, he was simply a member of a loose alliance of politicos who wanted to overthrow Pres. Gloria Arroyo of the Philipines (I'm sure she'll be safe). Yet how do we know that there's not a spy in the White House connected to a terrorist group, or a foreign government? This is the scariest spy to be caught since Dr. Wen Ho Lee in Los Alamos, who was kind enough to pass nuclear secrets to China.

i was listening to the story on abc evening news. the guy started out in al gore's office.

he downloaded hundreds of secret documents from the FBI computers.

You don't get it, do you? Dick Cheney is out there, he can't be reasoned with, he can't be bargained with, he doesn't remorse or pity and he will not stop, EVER!
I met him once. He's far kinder in person than on TV. He almost seems like a grandfatherly figure.

It's down right disturbing that a spy could work in the White House for so long. Fortunatly, this time, he was simply a member of a loose alliance of politicos who wanted to overthrow Pres. Gloria Arroyo of the Philipines (I'm sure she'll be safe). Yet how do we know that there's not a spy in the White House connected to a terrorist group, or a foreign government? This is the scariest spy to be caught since Dr. Wen Ho Lee in Los Alamos, who was kind enough to pass nuclear secrets to China.
mr lee was found to be utterly innocent of those charges

mr lee was found to be utterly innocent of those charges
That's right. It was a long time ago.

I met him once. He's far kinder in person than on TV. He almost seems like a grandfatherly figure.

*Holds up "The Teminator" DVD.*

Lotus Puppy, meet Terminator. Terminator, Lotus Puppy.

*Hands Lotus Puppy the DVD.*

Watch.

*Holds up "The Teminator" DVD.*

Lotus Puppy, meet Terminator. Terminator, Lotus Puppy.

*Hands Lotus Puppy the DVD.*

Watch.
Good movie. One of the better ones James Cameron made.

Good movie. One of the better ones James Cameron made.

Then you'll know I was para-phrasing his line in the movie. :rolleyes:

Then you'll know I was para-phrasing his line in the movie. :rolleyes:
I watch movies once and only once. Otherwise, I get bored.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-10-05-spy-case_x.htm


Lawrence A. Franklin, 58, a policy analyst whose expertise included Iran and Iraq, pleaded guilty to three felony counts as part of a plea bargain. In exchange, federal prosecutors dropped three other felony charges.

emphasis mine.

Cheney reminds me of Governor Tarkin in Star Wars, Episode 4.

Remember what Princess Leia said to him...


Governor Tarkin: You don't know how hard I found it, signing the order to terminate your life.

Princess Leia: I'm surprised that you had the courage to take the responsibility yourself.

Governor Tarkin: Princess Leia, before your execution, you will join me at a ceremony that will make this battle station operational. No star system will dare oppose the Emperor now.

Princess Leia: The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

He was hired by the Clinton admininistration; he is a spy for the left-wing opposition to President Arroyo of the Philippines. He was caught downloading confidential documents from FBI computers. Case closed, hang him for espionage.

He is by no means a Cheney crony or part of the Bush group, he has been a spy since 1999.

This is not Cheney's fault at all.

He was hired by the Clinton admininistration; he is a spy for the left-wing opposition to President Arroyo of the Philippines. He was caught downloading confidential documents from FBI computers. Case closed, hang him for espionage.

He is by no means a Cheney crony or part of the Bush group, he has been a spy since 1999.

This is not Cheney's fault at all.


Bingo, you hit the nail right on the head. Check previous employer on why they brought this guy into this position. Now wouldnt a in depth profile revealed tendencies to spy? I mean this guy was stationed with the Vice-President. He is supposed to be of the highest caliber.

He was hired by the Clinton admininistration; he is a spy for the left-wing opposition to President Arroyo of the Philippines. He was caught downloading confidential documents from FBI computers. Case closed, hang him for espionage.

He is by no means a Cheney crony or part of the Bush group, he has been a spy since 1999.

This is not Cheney's fault at all.

I didn't say it's Cheney's fault, I merely identified him as a Cheney staffer, which he was. Methinks thou dost protest too much.

As far as fault, I doubt if Gore/Clinton actually hired him either. Nice try at shifting blame, though. He was a Marine, after all. He was initially hired by the Marines. He was probably suggested/posted by someone at the Pentagon or his direct superiors. He did commit the espionage under the current administration though, and it's their responsibility.

You insinuation that left-wing rebels = support by Democrats is clever in it's subtleness, I have to admit. That would be as valid as me linking the Bush administration to any number of right-wing insurgents. I know you didn't directly say this, but the implication is there.

Bingo, you hit the nail right on the head. Check previous employer on why they brought this guy into this position. Now wouldnt a in depth profile revealed tendencies to spy? I mean this guy was stationed with the Vice-President. He is supposed to be of the highest caliber.

So once again, the excuse is "someone else was supposed to handle it!"

Sure, that's a valid excuse sometimes, but geez, not EVERY time.

So once again, the excuse is "someone else was supposed to handle it!"

Sure, that's a valid excuse sometimes, but geez, not EVERY time.

Well in this particular case it works. Although one thing I would have done is went through Clintons left over staff with a fine tooth comb to weed out the problems. In fact every president taking office should do that exact thing. Possibly go to the length of firing everyone and replacing from the ground up. But in practical terms that may not work unfortunately.

Well in this particular case it works. Although one thing I would have done is went through Clintons left over staff with a fine tooth comb to weed out the problems. In fact every president taking office should do that exact thing. Possibly go to the length of firing everyone and replacing from the ground up. But in practical terms that may not work unfortunately.

If they didn't do this, they are negligent. If they did, they are incompetent.

One other thing. Do any know when this guy got his top-secret clearance? Are you sure he had it under Clinton? That's a question I'd like answered before I even begin to place blame. It's funny how it's often the people most outraged by partisan finger-pointing who are the most vociferous users of the tactic...

Obviously the right thing to do after Bush took office would have been to fire everyone that was hired under the libtard Clinton regime. So in that sense it is a Bush/Cheney failure.

I am sure that this is just the tip of the iceberg. There should be no doubt that the entire civil service, from the state department to fema, is laden with communists, anarchists, sabotuers and spies. Mostly recruited under the auspices of the leftard democrats and their commie puppet-masters; with the sole intent of destroying what little is left of western civilization.

The best course of action would be a thorough review of all personal, and dismissal, with prejudice, of anyone who is found to have links with extreme left wing anti-american groups such as PETA, Greenpeace, the I.L.O, democracy now u.s.w. Better safe than sorry, I say.

If they didn't do this, they are negligent. If they did, they are incompetent.

One other thing. Do any know when this guy got his top-secret clearance? Are you sure he had it under Clinton? That's a question I'd like answered before I even begin to place blame. It's funny how it's often the people most outraged by partisan finger-pointing who are the most vociferous users of the tactic...
Oh, I LOVE partisan finger-pointing...especially when I get to point the finger at the Repugnicans.

If they didn't do this, they are negligent. If they did, they are incompetent.

One other thing. Do any know when this guy got his top-secret clearance? Are you sure he had it under Clinton? That's a question I'd like answered before I even begin to place blame. It's funny how it's often the people most outraged by partisan finger-pointing who are the most vociferous users of the tactic...

Well he would have had to get it under the Clinton White house. Reason being he was doing the same job with Gore as with Cheney. So just a little deduction would tell me that he got it before the new administration took over.
Who says im Partisan? Last time I checked I didnt belong to either party.

But anyway the incompetent/negligent aspect might fit. Considering how close he was to the VP they might have checked this guy out right away. Not taking the previous administrations word on him.

Of course this phenomenon is not new. Exactly the same type of thing has happened at least as far back as the illegal regime of leftard cripple FDR. Most notably the case of Alger Hiss. The democrats willing participation in these subterfuges can clearly been seen. Especially considering the despicable behavior of Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

Well he would have had to get it under the Clinton White house. Reason being he was doing the same job with Gore as with Cheney. So just a little deduction would tell me that he got it before the new administration took over.
Who says im Partisan? Last time I checked I didnt belong to either party.

But anyway the incompetent/negligent aspect might fit. Considering how close he was to the VP they might have checked this guy out right away. Not taking the previous administrations word on him.

No. It says he was hired by the Clinton administration. Is says nothing about doing the same job, what his job was then or the exact nature of his job under Cheney. Several years had passed in the interim, after all. Unless you have an alternate source of information perhaps?

Of course this phenomenon is not new. Exactly the same type of thing has happened at least as far back as the illegal regime of leftard cripple FDR. Most notably the case of Alger Hiss. The democrats willing participation in these subterfuges can clearly been seen. Especially considering the despicable behavior of Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

Yeah. Using the phrase "leftard cripple FDR" really enhances your point.

We are Dick Cheney, resistance is futile.

Yeah. Using the phrase "leftard cripple FDR" really enhances your point.

Are you saying that he could actually walk, and his use of a wheelchair was some type of cunning subterfuge?

Obviously the right thing to do after Bush took office would have been to fire everyone that was hired under the libtard Clinton regime. So in that sense it is a Bush/Cheney failure.

I am sure that this is just the tip of the iceberg. There should be no doubt that the entire civil service, from the state department to fema, is laden with communists, anarchists, sabotuers and spies. Mostly recruited under the auspices of the leftard democrats and their commie puppet-masters; with the sole intent of destroying what little is left of western civilization.

The best course of action would be a thorough review of all personal, and dismissal, with prejudice, of anyone who is found to have links with extreme left wing anti-american groups such as PETA, Greenpeace, the I.L.O, democracy now u.s.w. Better safe than sorry, I say.

If we do what you suggest, we should also dismiss anyone who is found to have links with extreme RIGHT-wing or extremely corporational anti-american groups. Bush, Cheney, Delay, etc would all be outta here!

I agree. Better safe then sorry. However, it works in both directions here.

If we do what you suggest, we should also dismiss anyone who is found to have links with extreme RIGHT-wing or extremely corporational anti-american groups. Bush, Cheney, Delay, etc would all be outta here!

I agree. Better safe then sorry. However, it works in both directions here.

Indeed, Bush and Cheney are not without fault. Nor are their corporate masters, who most recently colluded with Libtard Gore and Leftard Clinton to transfer vital defence technology to the communist chinese in return for small pecuniary gain.

I whole heartedly agree that the influence of the corporate manipulators and their mouthpiece fronts - such as the Trilateral Commision and the C.o. Fr- should be delcared illegal and anyone affiliated with them should be likewise banned from office.

However, the danger they present is less than found with the blind anti-american hatred driven by a perverted vision of socialist internationalism and wholesale rejection of western values in groups such as moveon.org.

You don't get it, do you? Dick Cheney is out there, he can't be reasoned with, he can't be bargained with, he doesn't remorse or pity and he will not stop, EVER!
Talk to the hand.
*dons his star-shaped Elton John-esque sunglasses*

However, the danger they present is less than found with the blind anti-american hatred driven by a perverted vision of socialist internationalism and wholesale rejection of western values in groups such as moveon.org.
Well, this is an itchy flicker of bullsh*t.
How 'bout you back that up and show just exactly the extent of your accusations, or stick it all somewhere?
I don't mean a few instances of FOX "news".
I mean show it. Not blogspew. Not rhetoric. Qualify their actionS with something of substance.
Otherwise, cheese it.

I met him once. He's far kinder in person than on TV. He almost seems like a grandfatherly figure.
So does his breath REALLY smell like mulched babies?
Strong, or just a subtle hint of it?
I heard that smirk of his barely conceals a fang.

democracy now u.s.w. Better safe than sorry, I say.Your stage name seems appropriate - seems you like to be the source of conflagration.
See above reply.

Talk to the hand.
*dons his star-shaped Elton John-esque sunglasses*

*Freezes Straughn with liquid nitrogen.*

*Takes out hand gun.*

Asta la vista, baby!

*Shoots Straughn, Straughn explodes in to a million pieces.*

Its what happens when you allow non-americans into places of trust.

Its what happens when you allow non-americans into places of trust.

Yeah...look what happened to California! And let's not forget Henry Kissinger.

Yeah...look what happened to California! And let's not forget Henry Kissinger.
Its called New Albion.
I believe you are referring to Arnie?-Bloody Democratic Republicans..

Kissenger is Jewish?