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I was just watching an interview on FOX with a border patrol officer on the Mexican border and he brought up some interesting statistics. The BP confiscate 3634 POUNDS of narcotics and turn back over 1200 illegal aliens EVERY DAY!! It is also known that some of the "Mexican" immigrants are actually mideastern Muslim extemists. And, according to popular opinion, they are barely scratching the surface of the problem. I've seen a lot of criticism of the militia that have stationed themselves at key border locations and have found that several of you think we shouldn't be so tough on immigrants from Mexico as we are wealthy and they are poor. How do you justify a lessening rather than a strengthing of our border protection?

You'd think that here in California, if an extremist Muslim wanted to cross the Mexican border and kill himself, it'd have been done within the past 10 years.

borders are arbitary

they mean little to people in need
and will eventually fall

Hmm, as I’m for the legalization of drugs and all immigration of healthy individuals, I have to say,

MEH

borders are arbitary

they mean little to people in need
and will eventually fall
You'd be amazed how many people obey fences.

Played an RPG video game lately?

You can NEVER go over a fence.

I love immigrants, and so does America. We let in about a million people from Mexico in 2004.

It's not hard to apply. Just apply for citizenship. Legal Immigrants are great.

However, Illegal Immigrants are very useful as target practice, or our bombing systems, artillery, and etc. We can test our weapons on them!

Muslim extremists are more likely to cross using legal means rather than risking a walk through the desert with a bunch of pork loving Mexicans. Or dealing with Mexican migratory authorities. Those really are scary.

You'd be amazed how many people obey fences.

Played an RPG video game lately?

You can NEVER go over a fence.
yeah some fences are magic and you can't even see em... makes the game developer's job just that little bit easier...

they should use those on the border.

They took my job! :mad:

They took my job! :mad:
Emigrate to Mexico illegaly and take a job there. That'll teach them.

blame Canada.

Emigrate to Mexico illegaly and take a job there. That'll teach them.
Better yet, I'll invade Canada.

I was just watching an interview on FOX with a border patrol officer on the Mexican border and he brought up some interesting statistics. The BP confiscate 3634 POUNDS of narcotics and turn back over 1200 illegal aliens EVERY DAY!! It is also known that some of the "Mexican" immigrants are actually mideastern Muslim extemists. And, according to popular opinion, they are barely scratching the surface of the problem. I've seen a lot of criticism of the militia that have stationed themselves at key border locations and have found that several of you think we shouldn't be so tough on immigrants from Mexico as we are wealthy and they are poor. How do you justify a lessening rather than a strengthing of our border protection?


Oh it a border patrol officer said it?

On FOX news?

It MUST be true. Quick my fellow xenophobic Americans, let's go to war! Again!

Better yet, I'll invade Canada.
But they have better tequila in Mexico! :confused:

They took my job! :mad:
Maddox says you're lazy and/or stupid. (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=walmart)

Maddox says you're lazy and/or stupid. (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=walmart)
Joke's on them, I never had a job in the first place.

They took my job! :mad:
TERK YER DER!


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It's not hard to apply. Just apply for citizenship.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one, make that up yourself or did someone tell it to you?

invade durkadurkistan (http://www.filmica.com/casiopea/archivos/teamamerica.jpg)!

man i'm suprised there isn't a NS nation called that yet...

Joke's on them, I never had a job in the first place.
So it's illegal aliens who are now sitting in your living room watching the TV and posting on NationStates?

To side with him, maybe it was local FOX? (Just throwing a small, possibly insignifigant point out there) I trust my local FOX, as they deliver many of my local stories first...but the weather comes on too late.

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man i'm suprised there isn't a NS nation called that yet...


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But they have better tequila in Mexico! :confused:
So what? Canada has YUKON JACK (http://www.drinksmixer.com/desc552.html)

Its sad how many people are injured and suffer losses when involved in motor vehicle accidents with illegal aliens. Of course they have no license, and no insurance and arent accountable. Apparently, this is happening at an alarming rate.

You want less illegal immigrants, just force companies to pay actual living wages to people. If they can't make more money by bussing people in from Mexico (which some countries actually do), they'll be more inclined to hire Americans, and hence, fewer jobs for illegals. *Shrugs*

If they can afford the trip, they should come up here to Canada, we've got more than enough room for them. ^.^

How did I know that somehow Canadians would manage to turn this into another "US does it worng come to Canada because we do everything right" thread? :rolleyes: You have missed the point entirely. Over 3000 pounds of narcotics are confiscated each and every day coming in from Mexico. That's a hell of a lot of dope especially if you consider that it is a small percentage of the actual traffic. Try googling Mexico with terrorist and see what you get then try to believe that people who wish us harm aren't making it over that border. Most of the major news networks have done stories on highly organized Hispanic gangs smuggling in terrorists for big bucks. Sure they used to come in through legal channels (and then forget to leave) but since 9/11 that has become difficult so they are seeking other ways in. Why would they be reluctant to travel with pork eating Mexicans to come live among pork eating Americans? Why would they be afraid of Mexican security catching them (as if Mexico cares) when they're coming to a country they know is looking to catch them and lock them up for a very long time? Terrorists come with ideologies other than extremist Muslim. Take a few minutes and enlighten yourselves.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/OrgCrime_Mexico.pdf

FOX does an interview with a spokesman for the border patrol, demonstrating equipment and techniques used to protect our border and gives some statistics and it is not believeable. But, trash and drivel opinions of writers from the Guardian, BBC, and CBC are considered written in stone fact. Time to look at both sides of the coin for a change.

I was just watching an interview on FOX with a border patrol officer on the Mexican border and he brought up some interesting statistics. The BP confiscate 3634 POUNDS of narcotics and turn back over 1200 illegal aliens EVERY DAY!! It is also known that some of the "Mexican" immigrants are actually mideastern Muslim extemists. And, according to popular opinion, they are barely scratching the surface of the problem. I've seen a lot of criticism of the militia that have stationed themselves at key border locations and have found that several of you think we shouldn't be so tough on immigrants from Mexico as we are wealthy and they are poor. How do you justify a lessening rather than a strengthing of our border protection?You call that news? This is news (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/10/05/morocco.spain.reut/index.html).

I think it highlights the fact that acquiring flying-saucer licences is too onerous.

You want less illegal immigrants, just force companies to pay actual living wages to people. If they can't make more money by bussing people in from Mexico (which some countries actually do), they'll be more inclined to hire Americans, and hence, fewer jobs for illegals. *Shrugs*

If they can afford the trip, they should come up here to Canada, we've got more than enough room for them. ^.^

I bet the US would ship them to you if you really want them. Then you can deal with the crimes and traffic accidents with no one to hold accountable because they have hustled back to Mexico. You can also deal with the cost of educating children who don't speak your language and whose parents refuse to learn your language. You can also deal with the high cost of medical care for people who are in poor condition due to the lack of medical care their whole lives. You have to do this at the expense of your citizens because most of the Mexican immigrants pay little or no taxes because they misreport their withholding allowances or work for cash. Most of the money they make is sent back to family in Mexico so it will be steadily drained from your economy.

Why would they be afraid of Mexican security catching them (as if Mexico cares) when they're coming to a country they know is looking to catch them and lock them up for a very long time?
Oh, when you're a Mexican looking to cross illegaly into the US, Mexico doesn't care. But when you're a foreigner illegaly in Mexico, believe me, Mexico cares, and the immigration authorities will let you know exactly how displeased they're with you.

But you're right about the pork. They won't mind it that much, and it's not like the Mexicans making the crossing can afford pork anyway.

The gangs and organized crime problem is much more serious and real, however, and affects both countries. It will require a lot of coordination to erradicate it, though.

I was just watching an interview on FOX with a border patrol officer on the Mexican border and he brought up some interesting statistics. The BP confiscate 3634 POUNDS of narcotics and turn back over 1200 illegal aliens EVERY DAY!! It is also known that some of the "Mexican" immigrants are actually mideastern Muslim extemists. And, according to popular opinion, they are barely scratching the surface of the problem. I've seen a lot of criticism of the militia that have stationed themselves at key border locations and have found that several of you think we shouldn't be so tough on immigrants from Mexico as we are wealthy and they are poor. How do you justify a lessening rather than a strengthing of our border protection?

How do you justify a strengthening? Wouldn't it be easier to target the businesses that hire these people and send the owners to jail for 20 years?

I bet that would dry up the hiring, and hence the immigration.

It's far easier to find the businesses than it is to patrol the border.

How do you justify a strengthening? Wouldn't it be easier to target the businesses that hire these people and send the owners to jail for 20 years?

I bet that would dry up the hiring, and hence the immigration.

It's far easier to find the businesses than it is to patrol the border.
It's not just the jobs that bring them across the border... it's the health care, education services, welfare that our country provides them that Mexico doesn't (they don't have to because they know we will do it for them)

So perhaps we should lock up those people who want to give illegal immigrants instate tuition rates for college for 20 years? Or those who insist we provide medical care for them get locked up too?

How do you justify a strengthening? Wouldn't it be easier to target the businesses that hire these people and send the owners to jail for 20 years?

I bet that would dry up the hiring, and hence the immigration.

It's far easier to find the businesses than it is to patrol the border.


North Korea has effective border control.

I agree with penalizing those that support them with day to day employment in a significant way.

Now- what do we do about the hospitals being flooded with illegals that need care, but dont pay and have no insurance? Thats going to be a very touchy issue. But-why should I pay so much for health coverage- $750.00 per month, with a $1,000.00 deductible-per person, per year and I pay 20% after ins pays 80% of what they recognize as customary?
My costs keep going up. People like me are paying to death and people that pay nothing and arent here legally are largely contributing to this problem.

Its strangely quite among the American and Mexican governments...they dont want to touch this issue.

It's not just the jobs that bring them across the border... it's the health care, education services, welfare that our country provides them that Mexico doesn't (they don't have to because they know we will do it for them)

So perhaps we should lock up those people who want to give illegal immigrants instate tuition rates for college for 20 years? Or those who insist we provide medical care for them get locked up too?

It's mostly the jobs. Getting health care, education, and welfare when you're illegal is not as easy as you think.

I've talked to quite a few border crossers (Herndon is full of them, and we are nowhere near the border). Most are good, hard working people.

IMHO, if they're willing to work here, and pay taxes, then they should be given a green card and set up to do so - that way, they'll pay their way for their benefits, and everyone wins. The worker, the business, and the system.

You forget that the ancestors of nearly all Americans were thrown out of every decent country in the world.

I was just watching an interview on FOX with a border patrol officer on the Mexican border and he brought up some interesting statistics. The BP confiscate 3634 POUNDS of narcotics and turn back over 1200 illegal aliens EVERY DAY!! It is also known that some of the "Mexican" immigrants are actually mideastern Muslim extemists. And, according to popular opinion, they are barely scratching the surface of the problem. I've seen a lot of criticism of the militia that have stationed themselves at key border locations and have found that several of you think we shouldn't be so tough on immigrants from Mexico as we are wealthy and they are poor. How do you justify a lessening rather than a strengthing of our border protection?
ZOMFG! It's a full-scale invasion! Mexico is asking for it! We must invade to protect our glorious nation! Load up the tanks and the fighter planes! We must destroy these evil aliens with teh UBERN00K OF D00M!!11!!!!1!!11 And it's all part of the Z0MG M0D (0N5P1R@cY to take over teh world!!11!!!!shift+1


Seriously people, do you really believe that we shouldn't help poor people just because they're poor? Or let in refugees from other countries? We were originally refugees ourselves, you know!

It's mostly the jobs. Getting health care, education, and welfare when you're illegal is not as easy as you think.
Here in OR it's even easier to get those things as illegal immigrants than I think. Local city governments set up "information fairs" on saturdays helping illegals to get id cards, drivers licenses, etc.

I've talked to quite a few border crossers (Herndon is full of them, and we are nowhere near the border). Most are good, hard working people. I agree, most are. There are many that contribute heavily to the crime problems tho.

IMHO, if they're willing to work here, and pay taxes, then they should be given a green card and set up to do so - that way, they'll pay their way for their benefits, and everyone wins. The worker, the business, and the system.
You have described a wonderful system... it's called legal immigration.

You forget that the ancestors of nearly all Americans were thrown out of every decent country in the world.
Apples and oranges. Early American settlers had to make it work for themselves. They didn't have businesses and a government waiting to just hand out things to them when they stepped off the boat.

We should have a tiny DMZ zone/strip, like we had in Vietnam, between America and Mexico. Illegal immigrants will be hammered by artillery fire. Great target practice. We'll have regulated roads, where legal immigrants can enter.

When American gave about 1,000,000 green cards last year in 2004, how can you fail for citizenship?

We should have a tiny DMZ zone/strip, like we had in Vietnam, between America and Mexico. Illegal immigrants will be hammered by artillery fire. Great target practice. We'll have regulated roads, where legal immigrants can enter.

When American gave about 1,000,000 green cards last year in 2004, how can you fail for citizenship?
What a wondeful idea. That would create more jobs because someone has to dig the mass graves.

What a wondeful idea. That would create more jobs because someone has to dig the mass graves.

But if we let their bodies rot, then we can scare off future would-be-illegal-immigrants. :D

But if we let their bodies rot, then we can scare off future would-be-illegal-immigrants. :D
The smell, the smell.

The smell, the smell.

Ok...better idea. We launch them back at Mexico.

Is it just me or is there a feeling of xenophobia going around on this thread

Is it just me or is there a feeling of xenophobia going around on this thread
It's just you. Pretty much everyone is for legal immigration. It's illegal immigration that has people (rightly so) concerned.

Is it just me or is there a feeling of xenophobia going around on this thread

There usually is when people start worrying about other people coming here, stealing our jobs, stealing our wimmin!

There usually is when people start worrying about other people coming here, stealing our jobs, stealing our wimmin!
Tey tuk my der! :mad:

I love immigrants, and so does America. We let in about a million people from Mexico in 2004.
If they would just speak OUR LANGUAGE :headbang:

There usually is when people start worrying about other people coming here, stealing our jobs, stealing our wimmin!
Being opposed to illegal immigration is NOT the same as being opposed to legal immigration.

Why do you make it out that it is?

blame Canada.



Forget that we would win......you would invade then canadian winter would send you guys packin ;)

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Good point! It seems to put it in the proper perspective that the criminals in this case are the companies that are hiring undocumented immigrants rather than the people themselves. Undocumented immigrants aren't taking jobs away from Americans as much as American corporations are giving them to people that shouldn't have them in the first place.

Of course, one does not cast blame at corporations, because they can sue for slander where as one guy that just made it over the border can't do anything to retaliate.

Good point! It seems to put it in the proper perspective that the criminals in this case are the companies that are hiring undocumented immigrants rather than the people themselves. Undocumented immigrants aren't taking jobs away from Americans as much as American corporations are giving them to people that shouldn't have them in the first place.

Of course, one does not cast blame at corporations, because they can sue for slander where as one guy that just made it over the border can't do anything to retaliate.
Is there some reason that LEGAL immigrants can't take those jobs? Must it be Illegal immigrants?

Oh it a border patrol officer said it?

On FOX news?

It MUST be true. Quick my fellow xenophobic Americans, let's go to war! Again!

I live in the boarder region. In Cameron County, Texas that holds the city of Brownsville. That statistic is wrong because it is just the illegals the boarder patrol CATCHES. It doesn't even begin to show how many actually cross and never are caught.

I'm independent, I hate the Democrats and Republicans. I hate dubbya ever since he was an ass in the republican primaries to John McCain.

The truth is this, MEXICO IS AT FAULT. You idiots need to realize you need to stop criticizing Americans for this problem and actually think for a fucking moment about the country that actually turns its poor citizens into economic refugees.

Its about time to stop attacking Americans that are pro-minutemen and start attacking Mexico and its pathetic elitist government that is profiting from illegal immigration thus doing nothing to HELP its feeing citizens' lives.

People don't always MAKE it across the boarder. Many times they DIE on the way due to not all of them crossing in major trading routes. They cross in the deserts and MANY die in trains going up north because of them becoming trapped in the heat.

A lot of you who attack Americans who are anti-immigration need to know what it is like to see about 20 dead immigrants who got trapped in a box-car.

I'm also a hispanic American. Go minute men! Down with the fucking mexican government!

The main problems with illegal aliens are...

1) Narcotics cause an immeasurable amount of damage to this country.
2) The terrorism issue. An open border is dangerous and insane.
3) Illegal immigrants do not pay taxes, but have government benefits like healthcare, police protection, welfare, etc. This is actually a massive problem for local governments.
4) Crime. Many illegal immigrants become involved in criminal activities and gangs.
5) Wage depression. Because illegal immigrants do not have to pay taxes nor various legal fees for a profession (such as a contractor license) they can work for a lot cheaper than regular citizens.