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With the second General Election now closed, the General forum's second Parliament can be decided. I would like every party to indicate as soon as possible who will be serving as their Members, so that Parliament can begin to function. This (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424018) is a link to the first Parliament; in the first post, you will find a link to a law entitled "Procedures", which will inform you how and when to submit a proposal to Parliament.

As of this moment, all Members of the first Parliament have their Membership voided. A new list of Members of Parliament will be announced once each party has announced its own.

Here are the numbers of seats won by each party:

Democratic Socialist Party : 4 seats
Emphatically Silly Party: 2 seats
MOBRA: 1 seat
New British Imperialist Party: 2 seats
NS Classic Liberals: 2 seats
NS Conservative Party: 5 seats
Reason Party: 5 seats
Revolutionary Trotskyist Party: 2 seats
United Democratic Communist Party: 2 seats


= = =

Members of Parliament:

Democratic Socialist Party
Deleuze
Leonstein
The Chinese Republics
Argesia

Emphatically Silly Party
Carops
IV Stalin

Mole and Other Burrowing Rodents' Alliance
Moleland

New British Imperialist Party
Kriegorgrad
Praetonia

NS Classic Liberals
Vittos Ordination
Santa Barbara

NS Conservative Party
Blu-Tac
Pascalini
Cristia Elite
Futuristic America
Lovers Rock of Wierd

Reason Party
Melkor Unchained
Xaosis Redux
Undelia
Euroslavia
Stephistan

Revolutionary Trotskyist Party
DHomme
Lienor

United Democratic Communist Party
New Burmesia
Ariddia

Hey it's kinda like the German election

Es ist, ist es nicht? :D

For the DSP at this point it seems likely that we'll have Deleuze, Myself, The Odd One and one more person who's not yet been selected.
That being said, those are by no means final - don't put them into your books yet.

12 to the right
8 to the left
5 to the wtfs?

12 to the right
8 to the left
5 to the wtfs?
I dunno if I'd count libertarians as being "on the right;" I think this is a more accurate portrayal (the wtfs are so absurdly unpredictable that they aren't factored in to this little spectrum):

12 on the economic right
8 on the economic left

5 on the social right
15 on the social left

Interestingly enough, there are basically no moderate parties. The DSP is probably the closest, but where I live (the United States), I know we'd be considered waaaaay left of center.

well a disappointing result for the UDCP - we seemed to lose a whole seat just in the last few hours :(
congrads to all parties, however (including ourselves), and to Aridd for another election well done :)

now if its 8 to 12, the left need to form some kind of coalition or voting bloc to keep the right down...

but thats none of my business anymore, as i'm (most likely) standing down as an MP so someone better may take my place.

Ha Ha! Point And Laugh At The Commies!!

Ha Ha! Point And Laugh At The Commies!!
Why laugh at their loss?
The ideology alone is enough to split my sides.
No need to be cruel.

*gives you both the frowning of your lives*

The Classical Liberals lost 3 seats, bah humbug.

Congrats to the Conservative and Reason Parties; well done.

The Classical Liberals lost 3 seats, bah humbug.

Congrats to the Conservative and Reason Parties; well done.
I heard you left? Good to see you again.

Ha Ha! Point And Laugh At The Commies!!
Laughing hurts right now...but I will type out lol...

*Feels a little sorry for the Communists...even though they are an opposed ideology.*

The Classical Liberals lost 3 seats, bah humbug.

Congrats to the Conservative and Reason Parties; well done.

We also lost the posters who filled those seats, and as of now the second seat is vacant. Interested?

What is first on our agenda?

Our government doesn't even seem to have a framework yet, so we need to find a good spot to start building from.

What is first on our agenda?

Our government doesn't even seem to have a framework yet, so we need to find a good spot to start building from.

Well, once we know who's in Parliament, MPs can start submitting proposals. Since the "social left" has a majority in Parliament (15 seats out of 25), we can probably get some things done.

Wait lets get this straight we have already had the election?

Wait lets get this straight we have already had the election?

Yes, it ended about twelve hours ago: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447132 .

Yes, it ended about twelve hours ago: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447132 .
yeah i saw.
68 pages cripes.

And the changes between the first election and the second have been as follows:

The Cult of TInk Party did not take part in the election, and went from two seats to zero.
The Democratic Socialist Party lost one seat (from five to four) and its share of the vote decreased by 3.23%.
The Emphatically Silly Party stood for the first time, and won two seats.
MOBRA held on to its one seat, its share of the vote increasing by 1.21%.
The New British Imperialist Party stood for the first time, and won two seats.
The NS Classic Liberals lost three seats (from five to two) and its share of the vote decreased by 11.12%.
The NS Conservative Party stood for the first time, and won five seats.
The NS Meritocratic Representative Republicans did not take part in the election, and went from two seats to zero.
The Party of Order did not take part in the election, and thus remained without a seat in Parliament.
The Party of Whatever Works did not take part in the election, and went from three seats to zero.
The Reason Party gained two seats (from three to five) and its share of the vote increased by 7.72%.
The Revolutionary Trotskyist Party gained one seat (from one to two) and its share of the vote increased by 1.15%.
The United Democratic Communist Party lost one seat (from three to two) and its share of the vote decreased by 1.65%.


Brought to you by the self-proclaimed NS General Ministry of Useless Statistics

We also lost the posters who filled those seats, and as of now the second seat is vacant. Interested?

If there is no one else; I shall take it.

I heard you left? Good to see you again.

I left? Why didn't anyone tell me?

If there is no one else; I shall take it.

Are you not that interested in doing it, or are you just being polite?

Well, once we know who's in Parliament, MPs can start submitting proposals. Since the "social left" has a majority in Parliament (15 seats out of 25), we can probably get some things done.

We need to set up a voting system for the establishment of policies first, and I would really like to set up some sort of constitutional limits to our policy making, after all that is the central tenet of our party.

Are you not that interested in doing it, or are you just being polite?
I'm interested and polite. However others certainly have a prior rights claim and I'm certainly not fussed. My idea of a electioneering was a single post. Plus I noticed my ideas on abortion don't gel well with most of the NSCL.

We need to set up a voting system for the establishment of policies first.

The previous one still applies, unless we vote to change it.

Well we fought the good fight and actually got some seats, which is rather thriliing...

Well we fought the good fight and actually got some seats, which is rather thriliing...
Assuming you're taking one of our seats, I bagsy the second!
12 to the right
8 to the left
5 to the wtfs?
'Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...'

'Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...'

Woot!! Cool...

The NS Conservative Party MP's:

Blu-Tac
Pascalini
Cristia Elite
Futuristic America
Lovers Rock of Wierd

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/NBIPflag.png

Good afternoon, old chaps - it's absolutely spiffing to see you all. Firstly allow me, as the leader of the New British Imperialist Party (wot, wot!) to take this oppurtunity to congratulate all partipants in the election. Second, it is my pleasure to announce that Kriegorgrad and I will be the two new NBIP MPs who'll take their places in Parliament when it opens.

In the following term, the New British Imperialist Party will be looking to give NS a bloody good sorting-out, starting by introducing a proper leader - and who better than Her Majesty the Queen? Of course, no one. In addition, we at NBIP believe that NS will benefit greatly from being a member of the Commonwealth - a move that we will certainly press for. Our other, less vital policies include constructing a powerful Royal Navy for defence, and massively increasing the industrial output of NS General in terms of bowler hats, umbrellas and tweed jackets. We firmly believe that the health of the populace is paramount - and to that end we will be supplying every schoolchild with fish and chips and tea for their school meals, and we will be launching a campaign aimed at getting adults to follow a similarly healthy diet.

Anyway, these reforms may be hard for some people to swallow, but we know that what we're doing is the best for NS General, and in time I for one am sure that NS General will appreciate being brought into the light of Britannic civilisation, at gunboat-point if needbe.

Yours Faithfully,

The Rt. Hon. Admiral Sir Lord George Barham Praeton, MP, KG, KT, OM, GBE, AC, QSO, PC

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/bhc2591.jpg

PS. Buy Empire!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/NBIPflag.png

Good afternoon, old chaps - it's absolutely spiffing to see you all. Firstly allow me, as the leader of the New British Imperialist Party (wot, wot!) to take this oppurtunity to congratulate all partipants in the election. Second, it is my pleasure to announce that Kriegorgrad and I will be the two new NBIP MPs who'll take their places in Parliament when it opens.

In the following term, the New British Imperialist Party will be looking to give NS a bloody good sorting-out, starting by introducing a proper leader - and who better than Her Majesty the Queen? Of course, no one. In addition, we at NBIP believe that NS will benefit greatly from being a member of the Commonwealth - a move that we will certainly press for. Our other, less vital policies include constructing a powerful Royal Navy for defence, and massively increasing the industrial output of NS General in terms of bowler hats, umbrellas and tweed jackets. We firmly believe that the health of the populace is paramount - and to that end we will be supplying every schoolchild with fish and chips and tea for their school meals, and we will be launching a campaign aimed at getting adults to follow a similarly healthy diet.

Anyway, these reforms may be hard for some people to swallow, but we know that what we're doing is the best for NS General, and in time I for one am sure that NS General will appreciate being brought into the light of Britannic civilisation, at gunboat-point if needbe.

Yours Faithfully,

The Rt. Hon. Admiral Sir Lord George Barham Praeton, MP, KG, KT, OM, GBE, AC, QSO, PC

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/bhc2591.jpg

PS. Buy Empire!

How do you aim to get these "reforms" through, because, I don't think anyone gonna vote for them.

Now the NS conservative Party has a load of economic reforms we have a good chance of putting through, and we also have social reforms... but we aren't hopeful of them getting through with the left dominated social platform. We also have a bill ready that we will introduce that will combat puppet voting, the issue that sort of put a downer on our campiagn because of wild accusations lying at us, and we are considered a bill that will try to overturn the "no-double posting" rule, as we feel it is easier to just say what you want, when you want, and not have to wait for someone else to say something first. of course it will have restrictions to prevent spamming. But thats still in its planning stages.

Calling Melkor.... I would be interested in a seat on The Reason Party, well unless you've already picked your MP's. :)

Calling Melkor.... I would be interested in a seat on The Reason Party, well unless you've already picked your MP's. :)

Oh God, there goes Parliament. :p

Calling Melkor.... I would be interested in a seat on The Reason Party, well unless you've already picked your MP's. :)

I would be interested as well, if needed.

I would be interested as well, if needed.

Is this gonna be some kind of moderator/ex-moderator party or something?

Is this gonna be some kind of moderator/ex-moderator party or something?
Authoritarian? Inherently evil? With free sandwiches? Of course not.

¬_¬

Is this gonna be some kind of moderator/ex-moderator party or something?
Well, we all know where the power lies in this forum, might as well make it quasi-official.
Then we really can claim about the mod bias!

Authoritarian? Inherently evil? With free sandwiches? Of course not.

¬_¬
Are they jelly sandwiches?

bravo, bravo! that was a lot of good fun to watch :)

Say, when are the next elections? Every ? Months?

bravo, bravo! that was a lot of good fun to watch :)

Say, when are the next elections? Every ? Months?
4 months
and glad you think so :)

That was loads of fun. Unfortunately, I only got in near the end, but glad to help the Trots win a new seat. :p Will there be some sort of UDCP-RTP alliance?

That was loads of fun. Unfortunately, I only got in near the end, but glad to help the Trots win a new seat. :p Will there be some sort of UDCP-RTP alliance?
Looks like it. The economic left might even have to ally with the "WTFs" in order to get our economic agenda through. Of course, there's no reason to assume that everyone on the economic right will agree, either.

Looks like it. The economic left might even have to ally with the "WTFs" in order to get our economic agenda through. Of course, there's no reason to assume that everyone on the economic right will agree, either.

We will do everything we can to stop communist and socialist economical policies going through.

Looks like it. The economic left might even have to ally with the "WTFs" in order to get our economic agenda through. Of course, there's no reason to assume that everyone on the economic right will agree, either.
The ESP is willing to ally with anyone, with the exception of those people we deem far, far too serious (the Conservatives and Melkor...sorry, the Reason Party). Though it would need MOBRA to agree as well...

This post may be removed if Carops decides against it.

I have a question:

Why did the RTP even run? Isn't a little counter to their political beliefs to take part in elections?

The ESP is willing to ally with anyone, with the exception of those people we deem far, far too serious (the Conservatives and Melkor...sorry, the Reason Party). Though it would need MOBRA to agree as well...

This post may be removed if Carops decides against it.Ah, I see. Well, perhaps UDCP meetings could regularly descend into pillow fights. Is that silly enough?

I have a question:

Why did the RTP even run? Isn't a little counter to their political beliefs to take part in elections?
They're being ironic.

And why all these alliances? Why not vote according to your own beliefs and let the system do its job?

Right now I hear talk of a party with "revolutionary" in their title allying with a party with "democracy" in their title, and I think WTF.

EDIT: And now I see the problem with the "silly" parties, they offered up gimmick policies to get elected, now they are declaring serious intentions.

Ah, I see. Well, perhaps UDCP meetings could regularly descend into pillow fights. Is that silly enough?
Not really silly if you're planning it...you don't really think our manifesto is what we intend to do? No element of surprise then, is there? And I prefer custard pies to pillows.

And why all these alliances? Why not vote according to your own beliefs and let the system do its job?

Right now I hear talk of a party with "revolutionary" in their title allying with a party with "democracy" in their title, and I think WTF. In some instances, democracy is revolutionary. But I don't know that it is in this instance.

Not really silly if you're planning it...you don't really think our manifesto is what we intend to do? No element of surprise then, is there? And I prefer custard pies to pillows.Hm. No such thing as ordered chaos, then?

In some instances, democracy is revolutionary. But I don't know that it is in this instance.

The armed revolution that DHomme espouses is the opposite of democracy. Whereas democracy seeks to maximize the individual's political rights, revolution eliminates them.

A fair few members of the UDCP (including myself) would prefer to ally with the DSP because we share similiar aims for the short term at least and share basic ideas like democracy...

I don't think we've had any official vote on who the party would ally with though, if we'd ally with anyone at all.

I hope my name is on that "seats to be handed out" list Melkor, I voted for you! Besides, you sit in all five of them at the same time!

EDIT: And now I see the problem with the "silly" parties, they offered up gimmick policies to get elected, now they are declaring serious intentions.
We are? Anyways, I doubt our wonderful manifesto had anything to do with the election. People saw our name, saw the word 'silly', cross-referenced with 'moster raving loony' or 'third' and voted. It's just like real life - very few people actually know what's in a party's manifesto, they just vote with what they think they know and what the politicians outright tell them.

We are?

I think I have read a few hints of the silly parties siding with the economic left.

I think I have read a few hints of the silly parties siding with the economic left.
No, really, our sole purpose is to take the piss, and see if we could get any votes. The only reason we even have a manifesto is because we couldn't stand without one. I said we'd ally with anyone, except those that are too serious - which just happens to be the right. Really, anyone who wants to ally with us must be silly enough for us to want allying with.

I think I have read a few hints of the silly parties siding with the economic left.
tbh, I'm a lefty anyway and would have voted UDCP, were it not for the fact that I thought these elections didn't warrant seriousness.

tbh, I'm a lefty anyway and would have voted UDCP, were it not for the fact that I thought these elections didn't warrant seriousness.
I'm a lefty as well, but I'd have voted for Melkor, simply because he's the only one who really is taking this seriously.

No, really, our sole purpose is to take the piss, and see if we could get any votes. The only reason we even have a manifesto is because we couldn't stand without one. I said we'd ally with anyone, except those that are too serious - which just happens to be the right. Really, anyone who wants to ally with us must be silly enough for us to want allying with.

tbh, I'm a lefty anyway and would have voted UDCP, were it not for the fact that I thought these elections didn't warrant seriousness.

I have no problem with people not taking this seriously, and expressed as much in the election thread.

But it kind of irks me that those casting a vote that reflected their political beliefs would have their personal choice negated by people voting with no political beliefs in mind.

For example, NSCL voters were voting for an ideology, while the ESP voters were voting for a joke.

The ESP is representing a non-entity, yet get a couple of seats.

The NS Conservative Party MP's:

Blu-Tac
Pascalini
Cristia Elite
Futuristic America
Lovers Rock of Wierd


So noted, and added (to the first post of this thread).

tbh, I'm a lefty anyway and would have voted UDCP, were it not for the fact that I thought these elections didn't warrant seriousness.
good man :D

A fair few members of the UDCP (including myself) would prefer to ally with the DSP because we share similiar aims for the short term at least and share basic ideas like democracy...

I don't think we've had any official vote on who the party would ally with though, if we'd ally with anyone at all.
indeed - the DSP seem a logical choice for alliance/coalition. RTP are... revolutionary, and we aren't. if it weren't for that fundamental difference i'm sure we'd ally in a shot.

as for the ESP, i have no problems with an alliance there so its up to the other members of the party


And why all these alliances? Why not vote according to your own beliefs and let the system do its job?
because last time the system didn't do its job - it was unable to - because of the highly fractured nature of parliament... we could hardly agree on anything at all. alliances and coalitions would seem to help in that the minor differences between similar parties won't get in the way and stop the democratic process if those similar parties belong to a voting bloc. in this way maybe parliament can actually do something...
at least thats the way i see it

Second, it is my pleasure to announce that Kriegorgrad and I will be the two new NBIP MPs who'll take their places in Parliament when it opens.


So noted, and added.

Not sure if I can announce this (does it have to be the party leader?), but Carops and I are the MPs for the Emphatically Silly Party.

Given the fact that my social policy platform has 15 seats and my economic platform has 12, I'd be an idiot to leave the seats vacant. The minibar prediction was based on the assumption that I wouldn't get an extra seat, much less three.

Given the fact that my social policy platform has 15 seats and my economic platform has 12, I'd be an idiot to leave the seats vacant. The minibar prediction was based on the assumption that I wouldn't get an extra seat, much less three.

Ok, but I thought it was also based on the principle of the party being yours and yours alone. However, I now realize this was when you were the 'Up Yours Party' anyway. Sorry for any confusion.

Not sure if I can announce this (does it have to be the party leader?), but Carops and I are the MPs for the Emphatically Silly Party.

So noted, and added.

Ok, but I thought it was also based on the principle of the party being yours and yours alone. However, I now realize this was when you were the 'Up Yours Party' anyway. Sorry for any confusion.
Senate regulations have forced me to appoint another member to my party in order to establish legitimacy, so I've done so. Damn government!

At any rate, I had three seats last time and used them then too.

The bundesstag Election is goin on right now get over to the thread on this forum and vote for your party

Any offers for coalition with the NBIP will be put before the members, but I dont think there's any chance of a coalition with any of the communist parties judging by general opinion in the NBIP.

Any offers for coalition with the NBIP will be put before the members, but I dont think there's any chance of a coalition with any of the communist parties judging by general opinion in the NBIP.

We, the ESP, already have a coalition with MOBRA, but perhaps we could join together also. That way we'd have a combined fifth of the vote. Of course.. I'd have to put it before our own members too .

Any offers for coalition with the NBIP will be put before the members, but I dont think there's any chance of a coalition with any of the communist parties judging by general opinion in the NBIP.

Hahahahaha.

Arrid, can we pleeeeeeeeeease propose a coalition to these guys? ;)

We, the ESP, already have a coalition with MOBRA, but perhaps we could join together also. That way we'd have a combined fifth of the vote. Of course.. I'd have to put it before our own members too .
Go for it! Ok, so I'm not all the remaining ESP members, but I am all the remaining ESP MPs.

Not only have the NSCL lost three seats, it has lost the support to fill the one remaining seat left.

GIRRNS PARLIAMENT REPORT:
The final MPs have not been completed, but the 2nd Parliament is shaping up.

ESP
The ESP has chosen two mps with unique views.
Carops is a social moderate with relatively conservative economic leanings while I V Stalin appears socialist across the board.
As for allying, it appears they wish to look into an alliance with NBIP and are definitely look for one with MOBRA.
They have shown apprehension about allying with the Conservatives and Reasonites (quote "serious" parties).
At the same time, NBIP looks apprehensive about allying with communists.
Without the NBIP, ESP could only get a MOBRA/ESP/RTP/DSP/UDCP wish would be 11 votes. This is under a majority, and likely will cause a majority conservative alliance to ally in face of serious opposition.
Thus the ESP, might be looking to form a moderate alliance with MOBRA/NBIP and NSCL and DSP. This would be also 11 votes. No alliance would be able to get a majority. At most RTP/UDCP would make a united left at 4 votes and CP/RP would make a 'right' at 9 votes.
Thus ESP might wish to rethink not accepting either party into the alliance.

more later...

Hahahahaha.

Arrid, can we pleeeeeeeeeease propose a coalition to these guys? ;)

Hehe...

I'm not a dictator, you know. If you want us to do that, suggest it to the Party. ;)

If you want to waste large amounts of time and effort, then fine by me ;)

Anyway, ESP - I will put your proposal of coalition to the members. You should have a decision by Sunday.

No, really, our sole purpose is to take the piss, and see if we could get any votes. The only reason we even have a manifesto is because we couldn't stand without one. I said we'd ally with anyone, except those that are too serious - which just happens to be the right. Really, anyone who wants to ally with us must be silly enough for us to want allying with.
Are you saying this wasn’t silly?
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3018/melkor2nb.png
This guy didn't vote for Reason. Now Melkor is going to fuck up his shit.

I'll take a punt now and announce the four DSP Delegates:

Deleuze
Leonstein
The Odd One (although I'm waiting on confirmation)
Argesia

By when do we need to announce our seats?

GIRRNS PARLIAMENT REPORT:
The final MPs have not been completed, but the 2nd Parliament is shaping up.

ESP
The ESP has chosen two mps with unique views.
Carops is a social moderate with relatively conservative economic leanings while I V Stalin appears socialist across the board.
As for allying, it appears they wish to look into an alliance with NBIP and are definitely look for one with MOBRA.
They have shown apprehension about allying with the Conservatives and Reasonites (quote "serious" parties).
At the same time, NBIP looks apprehensive about allying with communists.
Without the NBIP, ESP could only get a MOBRA/ESP/RTP/DSP/UDCP wish would be 11 votes. This is under a majority, and likely will cause a majority conservative alliance to ally in face of serious opposition.
Thus the ESP, might be looking to form a moderate alliance with MOBRA/NBIP and NSCL and DSP. This would be also 11 votes. No alliance would be able to get a majority. At most RTP/UDCP would make a united left at 4 votes and CP/RP would make a 'right' at 9 votes.
Thus ESP might wish to rethink not accepting either party into the alliance.

more later...

Oh dear.... they're writing about us now Comrade Stalin....

Hehe...

I'm not a dictator, you know. If you want us to do that, suggest it to the Party. ;)

Pfft, that takes more effort than it's worth :p

I'll take a punt now and announce the four DSP Delegates:

Deleuze
Leonstein
The Odd One (although I'm waiting on confirmation)
Argesia


So noted, and added.


By when do we need to announce our seats?

As soon as possible. Finalising Parliament by tomorrow would be nice.

The MPs for the UDCP will be New Burmesia and myself.

The MPs for the UDCP will be New Burmesia and myself.

So noted, and added. :D

MOBRA, NSCL, Reason Party and RTP, please provide your list of MPs as soon as you can.

Dunno if you saw my list but my MPs are:

Myself,
Xaosis Redux,
Undelia,
Euroslavia, and
Stephistan.

Betcha didn't see that last one coming :p

Are PACs allowed to lobby?

Dunno if you saw my list but my MPs are:

Myself,
Xaosis Redux,
Undelia,
Euroslavia, and
Stephistan.

So noted, and added. Once MOBRA, the NSCL and the RTP announce their MPs, we'll have a functional Parliament.


Betcha didn't see that last one coming :p

Well, that should make things lively. :D

The reason party did quite bad in the bundesstag elections they only got 7 seats and there was 80 seats up for grabs.

The DSP and the conservatives did good
DSP-29 Seats
Con-26 Seats
SDRP-11 seats
Reason party-7 Seats
PDs-7 Seats

I am putting whoopie cushions under all Parliament seats.

And shards of glass on some.

I've paid off all the janitors and you can't stop me.

I am putting whoopie cushions under all Parliament seats.

And shards of glass on some.

I've paid off all the janitors and you can't stop me.
Woah! I forgot about you, you slippery sod! Why didn't you answer in me thread!

Woah! I forgot about you, you slippery sod! Why didn't you answer in me thread!

Which thread? Hmm now I have to go a-searchin'... <grumble grumble>

Woah! I forgot about you, you slippery sod! Why didn't you answer in me thread!

Ooh okay. The nomination thread? Well I was nominating IGod, as you know, but for some reason IGod doesn't seem to work at the moment. And Alice, is just as good, but I figured you'd want actual live humans in all seats instead of chat bots. As for myself I tend to lack the ability to compromise, my gut reaction is just to vote against anything proposed by anti-capitalists and silly-party-folks. You need someone who can calmly reason out a real argument against that, and then vote against 'em. ;)

Dunno if you saw my list but my MPs are:

Myself,
Xaosis Redux,
Undelia,
Euroslavia, and
Stephistan.

Betcha didn't see that last one coming :p


I feel.....betrayed, violated, and discarded like that crusty rag no longer provides that satisfying feeling because it scratches at the wrong times.....HRRUMPH!

Who is forming the new government?

Who is forming the new government?

Parliament is the government. Decisions are made by majority vote (i.e., at least 13 MPs in favour).

Oh dear.... they're writing about us now Comrade Stalin....
I want to know where GIRRNS got the idea I'm socialist across the board...maybe my political compass. I don't consider myself socialist - I shall consider each issue on its merits. Or not.
Anyway, on the idea of our possible coalitions - if we can get 11 votes on each issue in our coalition, that's only 2 more we need (or 4 abstentions) to get the issue voted through in our favour.



I'm far too serious for this.

So noted, and added. :D

MOBRA, NSCL, Reason Party and RTP, please provide your list of MPs as soon as you can.

Should be with you tomorrow evening

The NBIP party membership has voted in favour of a coalition proposal with the ESP.

I want to know where GIRRNS got the idea I'm socialist across the board...maybe my political compass. I don't consider myself socialist - I shall consider each issue on its merits. Or not.
GIRRNS bases on known factors. I V Stalin appears socialist across the board. You have an obvious authortarian name, a 100% tax rate, a mandatory church, and other authortarian socialist policies. Obviously, GIRRNS has not done extensive research so the word 'stalinist' or other flamebaiting titles were not used. GIRRNS will retract its statement if it appears false.


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NBIP-ESP (MOBRA) Alliance
In what appears to be the first major alliance, the Emphatic Silly Party are in final talks with the National British Imperialist Party.
This alliance, as the last news update regarded, will be complex.
This update will focus on the NBIP.

When ask about the result of the 2nd parliamentary election of NS, NBIP MP Praetonia was chipper.
"2 MPs is a jolly good number, considering this is our first election," said the leader of the lone British-themed party.
The new alliance with ESP is no suprise after much speculation and discussion amongst the two parties.
On alliances, Praetonia stated "...judging by public opinion [of the party], the socialist and communist parties are off limits. The other parties are all possibilities, but the most popular party with the NBIP currently is the ESP."
While the ESP has shown some minor contempt for the rightist Reason and Conservative Parties, further alliances hardly seem in the end that far off.
The NBIP supports a more free-market government, but is also focused on such endeavors as "Making HM the Queen head of state", "Construction of the NS General Royal Navy", and "subsidies for certain awfully British products - bowler hats for example - in order to keep them going".
This attitude is quite similar to the ESP in the end based on 'silly' or more correctly 'themed' ideas.
Quite like ESP ally, MOBRA with rodents as a symbol.
In the end, the NS Parliament will deal with philosophical and thematic issues, and to call one or the other more important is to be in particular faction.
In other words, the 5 seat alliance of MOBRA-ESP-NBIP truly is open to any alliance, but in the end its own views of either general sillyness, the queen, or rats will be equially apart of any alliance as economic policy.
In all likely hood, it will be this alliance that decides who if any will hold a majority.
Next issue RP/CP alliance?

Interview with GIRRNS Senior Political Fellow, George Burke.
GIRRNS: The independents seem to be ahead of the curb by gathering as one. What do you feel the right and left will do now?
Burke: The left I feel frankly must unite, and there is no reason they won't. The right will be more complicated because both the Reason Party and Conservative Party want to be ahead of the new parliament.
GIRRNS: Will either get their wish?
Burke: Maybe, the most likely scenario will be Reason run majority alliance with the main decisions being from the Reason and Classical Liberal platform, and a few handouts to the Conservatives and Independents.
GIRRNS: Can the DSP provide reason for the independents to join a left alliance?
Burke: Its possible. The ESP are ahead of the independents in my judgement, and I feel they want an alliance with the DSP as opposed to the RP. The issue is the UDCP and RTP might not fit the NBIP the right way. Either way, the independents are stronger as one, so the final alliance with them, if there is a larger one, must include all three to be sucessful.
GIRRNS: What is the chance of a plurality system, what then the case?
Burke: This is a big possiblity. The right has 12 votes. The left 7, and the independents 5. The right could split 5-7 with NSCL going one way or another, and that 7 might get the 5 independents. Or the independents might tag along with the left. Either way, it'll be 12 vs. 12, and the result will be complex. Frankly, the CP can kiss away any sort of moderate to moderate-conservative social policy if they aren't apart of the main bloc. The NBIP can definitely not see any imperial leanings if they aren't in a majority bloc as well as a near impossiblity of serious collectivist policies if the RTP/UDCP aren't in a majority bloc.
GIRRNS: Thanks, any final comments.
Burke: This parliament is going to be different and not repeated. The CP and RP need to understand that the DSP and a not-yet-formed centrist party will take number three if they've (CP and RP) nothing to run on...probably will take number three no matter what.

GIRRNS bases on known factors. I V Stalin appears socialist across the board. You have an obvious authortarian name, a 100% tax rate, a mandatory church, and other authortarian socialist policies. Obviously, GIRRNS has not done extensive research so the word 'stalinist' or other flamebaiting titles were not used. GIRRNS will retract its statement if it appears false.
How on Earth is having a mandatory Church socialist?

Well its authortarian, and in a context of a secular state...I consider it socialist. For example, the soviet union and china had relatively mandatory "churches".

Well its authortarian, and in a context of a secular state...I consider it socialist. For example, the soviet union and china had relatively mandatory "churches".
No. Not really. It's far-fetched.

ok...I just think if believe everyone should support socialism in a country that it is akin to forcing people to support a religion. I have seen pictures of socialist leaders and it appears like people dealing with religious figures.

I really did not want an elongated conservation on this, and I do wish to say I V Stalin is far from a total idealogue.

ok...I just think if believe everyone should support socialism in a country that it is akin to forcing people to support a religion. I have seen pictures of socialist leaders and it appears like people dealing with religious figures.
I'm glad someone else finally sees it. Socialists make the same mistakes that religious zealots do, they just replace "God" with "Society." To secularize a mistake doesn't mean you're not still committing it.

I'm glad someone else finally sees it. Socialists make the same mistakes that religious zealots do, they just replace "God" with "Society." To secularize a mistake doesn't mean you're not still committing it.
Trust me, I've lived under a Communist regime. This is still far-fetched.

See what happens with all this "parliamentary" rubbish?
What we need here is a good, old-fashioned, one-man government.

Led by me, of course.
:)

Trust me, I've lived under a Communist regime. This is still far-fetched.
To be honest, the fact that you lived under one doesn't impress me much, as I'm sure no one here is prepared to accept that Bush is a good president because some people who may be living under his regime might actually approve of him or be generally ambivalent. We don't automatically gain infallible insight on a regime or its intentions simply by living there.

My comparison is not far fetched because it [Communism] preaches that society is greater than the sum of its parts [so is God, we can probably assume] that it's greater than the individual [God!] and that it deserves to be more or less worshipped, either by prayer [God] or labor [Communism]. Collectivists will always argue that what's good is good for the masses, just like how Christians argue that what's good is good for god. Neither faction is prepared to answer the question of what's ultimately good for oneself.

To be honest, the fact that you lived under one doesn't impress me much, as I'm sure no one here is prepared to accept that Bush is a good president because some people who may be living under his regime might actually approve of him or be generally ambivalent. We don't automatically gain infallible insight on a regime or its intentions simply by living there.
I don't mean that it gave me superpowers. I just got to know the subtleties of it, the ways in which it can turn to an established faith to move along (Stalin or Ceausescu with the Orthodox Church, as part of their nationalist stance).
My comparison is not far fetched because it [Communism] preaches that society is greater than the sum of its parts [so is God, we can probably assume] that it's greater than the individual [God!] and that it deserves to be more or less worshipped, either by prayer [God] or labor [Communism]. Collectivists will always argue that what's good is good for the masses, just like how Christians argue that what's good is good for god. Neither faction is prepared to answer the question of what's ultimately good for oneself.
You are generalising, and you point to an established thesis. It has rarely worked as such, and when it did it was comparable to any other political movement that "overdid" it, and is not a special case. As such, your point is based on aesthetics rather than fact.
The source of the ambiguity (that still sticks with us) is with the Enlightenment. It has been the main point in it to attack religion, without considering a proper explanation for the Universe - especially in the aspects of it that interfere with our intellectual notions. See when Darwinism turned into a new "explanation" of the Universe (not meant as an attack on evolution, mind you; I'm refering to Social Darwinism and other such ridiculous and criminal interpretantions of Darwinism). If it is a problem, it is one just as accute in the West. If not more: I'm shocked at the religious debates in US society - admit it, they are not present with established religions in European countries. This is a feature brought by the confrontations of extremes: pragmatism vs. accute protestantism. It was not an issue in virtually all the Communist countries.
I could also point out that there is no pattern for a Communist country to follow (this may be one of the insights I had). In Communist Romania, even the China that Ceausescu allegedly tried to imitate was a world away.

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There are two societies. A Catholic Society and a Protestant Society. A Protestant Society has competiting dogmas that vye for power while a Catholic society has one correct way of doing things. Socialism (not the blended variety of England or other european countries, but real deal scandavian stuff or to the point of china/north korea) is akin to catholicism in this sense in that it usually the considered norm in a country. Though not all believe in it in the sense they join the party etc., they go along with it and rarely question it. Like with Nazi Germany on the extreme opposite (also secular/pagan) or the Catholic Empires of Medeval Europe...etc.

In a protestant society, there are different beliefs that are acceptable, and different dogmas that have followings. Someone who is secular in American thinks they are real Americans, but the "religious right" thinks they are the true patriots. Sure, it can be a pain in the butt to have so much arguing, but it is good in the end (at least so far...).

In other words, just because not all authortarian gov'ts go out and say this is the true "church" (the French Revolution did have the church of reason, the Nazi's the church of the occult, the North Koreans have something funky I think too...) doesn't mean there is one view that is only acceptable view in that society. That is a state church no matter its views or theist or atheist background!

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Scandinavia=Protestant (Lutheran). How is Social Democracy related to N. Korea? Swedes, Danes, if you're watching this: apparently, you live in fear under a Marxist scolastic regime, and you're maneuvered like tiny little sheep.

I'm tired of the other abusive reference "Nazi as Socialist", but I'll let it slide.
Although:
- the French Revolution did not produce any gov't between 1792 and 1795; it only had a Convention carrying the orders of the Paris Commune (mostly a prolonged state-of-emergency). The Cult of Reason was not an official Church, but a failed attempt by Robespierre (who had no official capacities to speak of - he was just influential) and rejected by the other Conventionels - it was even used as an indictment on Robespierre)
- there was no Church of the Occult in Nazi Germany (and there couldn't be one anywhere, since it's a contradiction in terms). By the way - a Protestant country, with an amended Protestant ethos (Luther was a national hero) - the Protestants complied (it's in the spirit of Protestantism to follow secular decisions more willingly; it's not at all a Catholic trait - in fact, Catholics are suspect because they follow this guy in Rome, the reason why Hitler attacked and selectively imprisoned them as well)
- the N. Koreans do have something - but that regime resembles no other (it has not been in line with anything since it began - their ideology is far removed from anything); even there, describing it as a "religion" is a pure journalistic license.

Dude you read me like a IRS agent reads math homework...

//Scandinavia=Protestant (Lutheran). //
I was speaking metaphorically dude...you know when you use something as an example but you are not being literal...nevermind.

//I'm tired of the other abusive reference "Nazi as Socialist", but I'll let it slide//
Wow wow Ms. lippy. I never said that. I said "Like with Nazi Germany on the extreme opposite" not on the same side. Also, I wasn't speaking of only socialist style gov'ts.

North Korea...//even there, describing it as a "religion" is a pure journalistic license.//
I am a news provider :)

I think you misread by argument...maybe because I am incoherent and in a mind struggle about finishing my college homework...maybe

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Sorry. If I did get you wrong, at least give me this: if you were to read your post again and then mine, you'd see that it was easily interpretable in the way I did. (And, in case you think that I did it on purpose, at least you're familiar with spin - you journalist you :) .)
Good luck on your homework.

<Puts self in straitjacket to restrain self from defending socialism in this thread.> <Attempts to direct others to the proper threads, but can't do so because of a lack of arm mobility.>

<Puts self in straitjacket to restrain self from defending socialism in this thread.> <Attempts to direct others to the proper threads, but can't do so because of a lack of arm mobility.>
Hey, I'm also on the other threads. Been making a point there as well.

GIRRNS bases on known factors. I V Stalin appears socialist across the board. You have an obvious authortarian name, a 100% tax rate, a mandatory church, and other authortarian socialist policies. Obviously, GIRRNS has not done extensive research so the word 'stalinist' or other flamebaiting titles were not used. GIRRNS will retract its statement if it appears false.
No, don't retract! I want to sue you for defamation! :p

The representatives from the Classic Liberal party will be:

Vittos Ordination
Santa Barbara

The representatives from the Classic Liberal party will be:

Vittos Ordination
Santa Barbara

So noted, and added.

I'll be sending a TG to the leaders of MOBRA and the RTP later today. They should have announced their MPs by now. It's holding up the beginning of Parliament.

Telegrams sent to DHomme and Moleland.

At the moment the two MPs for the RTP are DHomme and Lienor.

Changes may be made in due course but for the time being this our list.

sorry it took so long

I declare myself the MP for MOBRA.

At the moment the two MPs for the RTP are DHomme and Lienor.

Changes may be made in due course but for the time being this our list.

sorry it took so long

So noted, and added.


I declare myself the MP for MOBRA.

You're not the party leader, so you can't really be the one to declare yourself MP. If you've been designated by your party, please provide a link to the post/thread in question, or get Moleland in here to conform it.

If I don't hear from Moleland soon, I'm going to declare Parliament to be open even with only 24 seats provided for.

Member change for the DSP: The odd one replaced by The Chinese Republics.

I'm going to declare Parliament to be open in a few hours, whether or not MOBRA has announced their MP by then. They've had more than enough time to do so.

If any of you want to start preparing proposals to submit to Parliament, the procedures to do so can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=426484).

I say I get to be a reprensative with no voting rights until approved by the party leader. I feel MOBRA would have no problem to have some option out of being stopped from taking part in the parliament.

So in other words, I am Delegate from the District of Colombia, just waiting for that constitutional amendment...

All right, you can sit in Parliament until a representative is sent by your party, but you can't vote.

And...

I hereby declare this Parliament to be open. MPs, feel free to start submitting proposals.

Moleland has now confirmed he will be MP for MOBRA.

This is also a reminder that you can send in proposals if you like. I'll be drawing one up myself as soon as I have time.