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Who around here fences? Also, does anyone know what the "Sword Dueling Issue" is? My friend was telling it was cool, and I was wondering what it was.

Who around here fences? Also, does anyone know what the "Sword Dueling Issue" is? My friend was telling it was cool, and I was wondering what it was.

Yeah, I do. But I've never heard of that issue. I think Britain has "The Sword" but thats all i can tells ya sorry :(

#131 Raise Duel Standards, Say Fencers [The Gaelic Freedmen; ed:Sirocco]

The Issue
A number of well-dressed gentlemen wearing a varied assortment of swords is insisting that they be allowed to settle their private disputes on the field of honourable battle.

The Debate
1. "We must be permitted our inherent right to defend our honour through feats of arms!" exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, a bewigged aristocrat sporting a particularly flamboyant swept-hilt rapier. "The right to duel is one found throughout history for the honourable settling of disputes and I must insist that my right to fight be recognised! The world would be so much better - and cheaper too - if conflicts of interest were sorted through trial by combat instead of trial by jury."

2. "Swords? Heavens, what dreadful things. All sharp and pointy - quite dangerous, you know," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, an ardent pacifist. "The things ought to be banned! The best way to settle these kind of arguments are through trials, we all know that. If we go ahead with what these duelling nutters want then innocent people will die! It will be a sad day when people value money more than justice. Apart from lawyers, obviously."

#131 Raise Duel Standards, Say Fencers [The Gaelic Freedmen; ed:Sirocco]

The Issue
A number of well-dressed gentlemen wearing a varied assortment of swords is insisting that they be allowed to settle their private disputes on the field of honourable battle.

The Debate
1. "We must be permitted our inherent right to defend our honour through feats of arms!" exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, a bewigged aristocrat sporting a particularly flamboyant swept-hilt rapier. "The right to duel is one found throughout history for the honourable settling of disputes and I must insist that my right to fight be recognised! The world would be so much better - and cheaper too - if conflicts of interest were sorted through trial by combat instead of trial by jury."

2. "Swords? Heavens, what dreadful things. All sharp and pointy - quite dangerous, you know," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, an ardent pacifist. "The things ought to be banned! The best way to settle these kind of arguments are through trials, we all know that. If we go ahead with what these duelling nutters want then innocent people will die! It will be a sad day when people value money more than justice. Apart from lawyers, obviously."

Oh... right- in the NS context ... oops
:p

Yes (I think the name gives it away). Been doing it for 7yrs. Foil. Do you fence? Which weapon?

Yes (I think the name gives it away). Been doing it for 7yrs. Foil. Do you fence? Which weapon?
I dabble in Epee- but concentrate on foil- 4 years for me. ;) Top 5 in the country for me at the moment.

I'm impressed. *salutes*

I used to fence, but it just got too tiring. Now I don't have any time for it anyway.

i've been trying to get into iaido/kendo, but so far haven't been able to convince my folks. i know this is about fencing, but that's just what the aforementioned arts are, japanese fencing. anyone got any tips.

i've been trying to get into iaido/kendo, but so far haven't been able to convince my folks. i know this is about fencing, but that's just what the aforementioned arts are, japanese fencing. anyone got any tips.
Practice wringing out a hand towel everyday.

Mostly electric foil.

Foil. Wanted to start learning Saber for the slashing score, but never got around to it. Now I'm old :(

Sword Dueling issue? I'm unaware of it outside of some Japanese style scimitar aficionados who claim to advocate dueling with them, supposedly like the "Fight Club" movie with swords, but I don't believe it myself.

electric epee, almost 4 years now. just bombed in a tournament. :(

I dabble in Epee- but concentrate on foil- 4 years for me. ;) Top 5 in the country for me at the moment.
4 years for Top 5? In what country and age bracket are you talking about?

Foil, by the way. About 5 years now. I just redid my lunge so it doesn't suck anymore. :)

I want to learn to fence. It looks fun.

I want to learn to fence. It looks fun.
You should. It is. But, it takes some discipline too.

4 years for Top 5? In what country and age bracket are you talking about?

Foil, by the way. About 5 years now. I just redid my lunge so it doesn't suck anymore. :)

I'm 20, but fence in Senior circuits.
Well.... its not France, Australia, Hungary or the US mind.... :D Not great, but i've found my 'thing'.
(IRL)

I never lunge- too annoying to recover from- prefer a well timed 'duck'... or as i do it... a 'collapse' :p

I'm 20, but fence in Senior circuits.
Well.... its not France, Australia, Hungary or the US mind.... :D Not great, but i've found my 'thing'.
(IRL)

I never lunge- too annoying to recover from- prefer a well timed 'duck'... or as i do it... a 'collapse' :p
Yay for collapsing on strip!

Lunges can do so much though. But, as you say, the trick is getting out. ;)

And fencing's become my thing in real life too. I hate team sports, and I love violence. :D

Yay for collapsing on strip!

Lunges can do so much though. But, as you say, the trick is getting out. ;)

And fencing's become my thing in real life too. I hate team sports, and I love violence. :D
:D
I watched a match with Sergei Golubitsky in it- and he did a similar collapsing duck, with a 'prime' and reposte to the attackers fleche.... amazingly it worked!.... granted, he tore the meniscus in his left kneecap while doing this, but he still finished the match :eek:

I'm just lazy, unfit and generally lazy... i'm notorious in my club for not being fit or energetic in foil.

I do epee to get a break from the ROW- tis fun hittin' with a pointy stick :D

:D
I watched a match with Sergei Golubitsky in it- and he did a similar collapsing duck, with a 'prime' and reposte to the attackers fleche.... amazingly it worked!.... granted, he tore the meniscus in his left kneecap while doing this, but he still finished the match :eek:

I'm just lazy, unfit and generally lazy... i'm notorious in my club for not being fit or energetic in foil.

I do epee to get a break from the ROW- tis fun hittin' with a pointy stick :D
My instructor refers to that manuever as a "besata soto" (sp?). We practice it quite often.

But, we also know how to get out of it. :)

My instructor refers to that manuever as a "besata soto" (sp?). We practice it quite often.

But, we also know how to get out of it. :)
"passa soto" perhaps....

Rats, i make up most of my moves as i go along. I'm a lefty (the scourge of the fencing world :p ) and there are no other lefties in the club.... my coach is really a sabruer so he's no help! :D

I mish mash stuff i've seen and try out new stuff in tournaments.

How are you finding the new timings by the way? Flicker perchance..? ;)

Does SCA fencing count? If not, then no.

"passa soto" perhaps....

Rats, i make up most of my moves as i go along. I'm a lefty (the scourge of the fencing world :p ) and there are no other lefties in the club.... my coach is really a sabruer so he's no help! :D

I mish mash stuff i've seen and try out new stuff in tournaments.

How are you finding the new timings by the way? Flicker perchance..? ;)
Hey! Another Lefty! Our club has about 5. :D

And, no, I don't flick. I like to think of the timing change as "a patch for reality". And, like every good patch, everyone who relied on flicks got screwed royally for about a month. :)

[Edit: Correction: I don't flick anymore :). Not from timing, but because it was a crappy habit, and I was really bad at it. But now that my lunge it not terrible, I don't use it)

If you're going to mish mash, mash in some lunges. I've heard of A fencers getting a good 15-20 feet out of a strong lunge.

Hey! Another Lefty! Our club has about 5. :D

And, no, I don't flick. I like to think of the timing change as "a patch for reality". And, like every good patch, everyone who relied on flicks got screwed royally for about a month. :)

[Edit: Correction: I don't flick anymore :). Not from timing, but because it was a crappy habit, and I was really bad at it. But now that my lunge it not terrible, I don't use it)

If you're going to mish mash, mash in some lunges. I've heard of A fencers getting a good 15-20 feet out of a strong lunge.
Sweet god!
:eek:

Nah, I don't flick either- gotten used to countering into the flickers preperation. Works quite well.

Its odd- I fence other lefties and I don't know what to do, neither do they- I don't fence like a standard lefty! :p I've had no one to practice on so i've adpated my style to always fencing righties... i'm a freak in our community :(

Lunging is surprisingly "simple but effective"... hmmmm
*strokes chin*

Does SCA fencing count? If not, then no.

SCA? Could you elaborate? :confused:

I've been doing Fencing for Ten years, I only stopped last year. I was at the time, the top player in my state and the 18th in the country. (Australia)

I don't duel outside of the sport with foils, I have way more fun with Medival combat. My friends and I have gotten so many wounds from fighting each other in massive brawls with practice broadswords, longswords, halberds, war axes etc.

SCA? Could you elaborate? :confused: The Society for Creative Anachronisms is an organisation that offers people to chance to simulate aspects of the middle ages, including dress, weaponry and mannerisms.

Does SCA fencing count? If not, then no.

I did SCA fencing back in college. I don't see why it shouldn't count. There certainly was some crossover in students between the SCA and my "straight" fencing class.

Psychotic Mongooses, as Falhaar2 said above, the SCA is a re-enactment group. In my experience, they tend to be on the light end of historical accuracy.

SCA fencing (aka "light fighting") is supposed to recreate fifteenth century rapier combat. It's between olympic style sport fencing and historical fencing groups such as ARMA (http://www.thearma.org/) in terms of historically accuracy - it's definately more sport than historical.

SCA fencing used a mix of sport fencing and historical fencing equipment when I was involved 15 years ago, but I understand the regulations have evolved. Standard equipment where I practiced was a "three-blade" mask; a hood, jacket, and pants of 4 layers or more of "trigger" cloth (a heavy material) or a certain thickness of leather (this was supposed to resist 4 strikes in the same spot with a broken blade); leather gloves and boots; and either a foil or epee blade.

Combat is done in the round as opposed to on a strip (combatants can circle). It's based on a honor system with certain parameters of what should be killing and injuring blows (a 4 inch bend in a foil blade). "Off hand" weapons or defensive equipment are permitted, and the stadard ones include parry glove, buckler, "rapier", cloak, and dagger (others were used but weren't officially sanctioned - I had a memorable duel against rapier and "torch" :)).

I did SCA fencing back in college. I don't see why it shouldn't count. There certainly was some crossover in students between the SCA and my "straight" fencing class.

Psychotic Mongooses, as Falhaar2 said above, the SCA is a re-enactment group. In my experience, they tend to be on the light end of historical accuracy.

SCA fencing (aka "light fighting") is supposed to recreate fifteenth century rapier combat. It's between olympic style sport fencing and historical fencing groups such as ARMA (http://www.thearma.org/) in terms of historically accuracy - it's definately more sport than historical.

SCA fencing used a mix of sport fencing and historical fencing equipment when I was involved 15 years ago, but I understand the regulations have evolved. Standard equipment where I practiced was a "three-blade" mask; a hood, jacket, and pants of 4 layers or more of "trigger" cloth (a heavy material) or a certain thickness of leather (this was supposed to resist 4 strikes in the same spot with a broken blade); leather gloves and boots; and either a foil or epee blade.

Combat is done in the round as opposed to on a strip (combatants can circle). It's based on a honor system with certain parameters of what should be killing and injuring blows (a 4 inch bend in a foil blade). "Off hand" weapons or defensive equipment are permitted, and the stadard ones include parry glove, buckler, "rapier", cloak, and dagger (others were used but weren't officially sanctioned - I had a memorable duel against rapier and "torch" :)).

Thanks guys, that sounds really interesting. I think i know of a club where I am thatdoes similar. must check it out.

What got you into that as opposed to competetive electric, modern fencing?

Who around here fences? Also, does anyone know what the "Sword Dueling Issue" is? My friend was telling it was cool, and I was wondering what it was.


There are plenty of fencers here! Psychotic mongooses is around somewhere he should know what it is

CAN'T LUNGE?!?!??!?!?!? WIMP!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

the top player in my state and the 18th in the country. (Australia)

Whoa whoa whoa..... I didn't even see this
:eek:

Kudos- THATS a rank to be damn proud off :)

CAN'T LUNGE?!?!??!?!?!? WIMP!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Not 'can't'... won't. Too lazy :p :D:D

My knee is screwed up, otherwise I would. I have freakishly long legs, which I often use to my advantage. :D

Oh, and I just started, by the way. Yay for college fencing.

I had to do 160 explosive lunges alone is class today.

I had to do 160 explosive lunges alone is class today.


Where do you fence? or what country are you in?

Ah yes, fencing. I've been sucking at sabre for about two years now, and am thinking of practicing foil.

How the hell do you fence without the lunge? I suppose in epee, but in right-of-way weapons it defines the attack!

Grrr epee. I had to do something like two hundred lunges a day during practice. Damn epeeists and their "I don't have to lunge because my weapon doesn't define attacks" garbage.

How the hell do you fence without the lunge?

All that has to occur is the sword arm being straight from the body to begin an attack and have right of way. Therefore, you don't need a lunge.

And you should just fence with your arm straight out sometime. Confuses the hell out of some opponents. :D

America, I learn from the Salle MacBean fencing school.

Thanks guys, that sounds really interesting. I think i know of a club where I am thatdoes similar. must check it out.

What got you into that as opposed to competetive electric, modern fencing?

Funny thing - I was into SCA before I was into fencing. It just happened that the group I was in was more into rapier fencing than broadsword fencing.

And the whole fencing without lunging question brings up another interesting point - we didn't do the deep lunges of modern sport fencing. Just the difference between a sport going for points and having right of way rules versus a style aimed at re-creating actual combat with no right of way. A deep lunge is more likely to get you in an indefensable position.