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Comment: Kid tries to do the right thing but gets screwed by idiot teachers and idiot policies. :headbang:

NEWS FLASH! It's a F*CKING BULLET NOT A GUN What's he going to do, swallow it and use his dick as a pistol?

I am so mad at this stupid town I live in I could spit.
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Eighth-grader suspended after turning in bullet

By Rick A. Richards The News-Dispatch

Henry Hernandez, 14, at home with mother Constance Rightsell. Colin May/The News-Dispatch

Henry Hernandez is confused.

Instead of being in his eighth-grade class at Barker Middle School, Henry was in his living room explaining how he was suspended from school for doing what he thought was the right thing.

As 14-year-old Henry rode the bus to school Tuesday, he said he felt something hit his foot. When he looked down, he saw his twin sister's water bottle she had dropped. When he picked it up, Henry said he also saw a bullet on the floor of the bus.

"I picked it up and I was yelling for the bus driver," said Henry. But the bus didn't stop and since it was moving, Henry said he stayed in his seat. When the bus is moving, he said, students are supposed to stay put.

When the bus arrived at Barker, Henry said, in the rush to get off the bus he forgot to give the bullet to the bus driver. Instead, he started looking for the principal, but he said he couldn't find her.

Once inside Barker, Henry said he went straight to his teacher and tried to give her the bullet.

"She was a sub and she wouldn't take it. I asked her if I could go to the office and give it to them there, but she wouldn't let me go," Henry said.

His mother, Constance Rightsell, bit her lip as Henry told his story. Rightsell said she, too, is confused, especially since she thinks Henry did the right thing.

Henry said that when he couldn't go to the office, he started "mouthing off" to the substitute teacher.

"I did it on purpose," said Henry, who is learning disabled. "I knew I had to give the bullet to someone in the office, so I got in trouble on purpose so I would have to go to the office."

Henry turned in the bullet, but then found himself suspended from school, pending the result of an investigation into how he came into possession of the bullet.

Rightsell is so angry she called the Michigan City Police Department to file a report about the bullet on the bus. "I don't know how they (school officials) can get away with this," she said. "It's a wrongful suspension. He was trying to do the right thing and he gets in trouble."

"Someone put that bullet there. Maybe there is someone else with bullets or even a gun, in school," she said.

"If he was trying to hide something, would he try to turn it in? It's not like he was playing with it or anything," Rightsell said.

Assistant Superintendent Eugene Sweeney said he couldn't talk specifically about the incident since state and federal laws require school officials to protect the privacy of students in incidents like this. (Henry's name was provided by his mother, not the school district.)

However, Sweeney said that according to school policy, an investigation is to take place immediately. He said the reason is to get the student back in school as quickly as possible.

But, Sweeney said, it's also the school system's responsibility to make sure every child is safe, which is why it's necessary to investigate all incidents like this thoroughly.

"If he did turn it (the bullet) in, he should be applauded," said Sweeney, who added that he doesn't want to put any child out of school. "We are trying to encourage our children to do the right thing, but we're doing what any responsible investigator would do. We have to give the system a chance to work."

I wonder if these shits would have done this if his name was "Johnson". :headbang:

I've never been a fan of zero tolerance policies on anything. There have to be exceptions to rules.

Alot of this stuff is just BS. Where I was in school at, if someone instigated a fight against you, if you fought back both you and the agressor were given a equal punishment. They actually expected you to stand there, take the beatting then report it afterwords.

"Sons o' Bitches!" :mad:

NEWS FLASH! It's a F*CKING BULLET NOT A GUN What's he going to do, swallow it and use his dick as a pistol?
And then the boy says: "No,I was jerking off and I shot the dog." (Punchline from an actual joke, but I recommend against typing "jerking off" and "dog" into google in search of the rest of the joke).
I wonder if these shits would have done this if his name was "Johnson". :headbang:
Is Johnson what you call the ruling caste in that crazy place?

However, yeah, that was pretty stupid.

<snip>Is Johnson what you call the ruling caste in that crazy place?<snip>
No, it's just the "whitest" name I could come up with.

Zero Tollerance - protecting us from armed minorities again. :mad:

(Of course, had this been Spokane it would be "Cowles" or Chicago/Daley, Mass/Kennedy)

Wow are we really this f*cked up?

This is nowhere near as bad a the girl on "Montel" who was suspended for having a 6" chain on her Tweety-Bird wallet. It was classified as a deadly weapon. At least this school is talking about getting the kid back ASAP.

No, it's just the "whitest" name I could come up with.
So then that is the class title for your rulers, well the upper castes need freedom from moral responsibilties so that they can properly control you and think of what is best.
Zero Tollerance - protecting us from armed minorities again. :mad:
It isn't about minorities. Hell, the people most bothered by zero tolerance in my time were was a subsect of the ruling caste who had to deal with limits on how pointy their pointy bracelets were, and how rainy it had to be before you could wear a trench coat (yes, someone was actually ordered to leave their coat "with the office" and not put it on until they were off school property because it wasn't unpleasant enough for it).

You know, I was wondering,

How many MORE lawsuits have schools etc. faced due to these Zero Intelligence policies in comparison to the problems they are supposed to fix?

This is nowhere near as bad a the girl on "Montel" who was suspended for having a 6" chain on her Tweety-Bird wallet. It was classified as a deadly weapon. At least this school is talking about getting the kid back ASAP.
That's only because they realized how deep they stuck their collective heads in it.

These idiots have been "laying off" effective administrators for two years now - mainly because they annoyed the Teacher's Union. (It's not much better in the private schools... the local Catholic Collective canned their much beloved (by parents & students) principal for a git who decides, at the last minute, to tell all parents to pony up for uniforms.)

MCAS has had real problems with "dicipline", so they decided that a good way to save money, was to discontinue the only program/class that taught dicipline and respect: Marine JROTC - never mind that half the tab was covered by the feds.

(Fiddlebottoms: I know this issue isn't specifically about Race, but given some of the crap in this school system it is automatic to wonder.)

That's only because they realized how deep they stuck their collective heads in it.

These idiots have been "laying off" effective administrators for two years now - mainly because they annoyed the Teacher's Union. (It's not much better in the private schools... the local Catholic Collective canned their much beloved (by parents & students) principal for a git who decides, at the last minute, to tell all parents to pony up for uniforms.)

MCAS has had real problems with "dicipline", so they decided that a good way to save money, was to discontinue the only program/class that taught dicipline and respect: Marine JROTC - never mind that half the tab was covered by the feds.

(Fiddlebottoms: I know this issue isn't specifically about Race, but given some of the crap in this school system it is automatic to wonder.)

So it sounds like this is another one of those schools that opposes anything to do w/ the military/firearms/discipline etc. I know the type.

So the primary lesson of life they've taught this kid is NOT to do the right thing and follow the rules because it will get you into trouble.

And people wonder why the US is in the straights it's in.

(Fiddlebottoms: I know this issue isn't specifically about Race, but given some of the crap in this school system it is automatic to wonder.)
Meh, I doubt that the matter was race. Maybe if the kid had a butterknife, or a pokey stick (In the interests of saftey, from now on, all pencils must be dull) or something like that.
If they smack someone for a single bullet, I think he could have been an albino and the son of the king of town and still been taken out just as quickly.

Meh, I doubt that the matter was race. Maybe if the kid had a butterknife, or a pokey stick (In the interests of saftey, from now on, all pencils must be dull) or something like that.
If they smack someone for a single bullet, I think he could have been an albino and the son of the king of town and still been taken out just as quickly.
You know, one of these days some kid is going to go postal with a pair of pencils and do a "Godfather" on some teacher...

Then all kids will be allowed to have is chalk & slate... back to the good old 1700's :rolleyes: :headbang:

I went to a high school in a not terribly nice part of Brooklyn. On rainy days I sometimes wore a trenchcoat (at first a navy blue one, then a brown one). I also frequently carried a found 2" knife with me, quite sharp, and was allowed to use it in lab classes if and when I couldn't find any better cutting tool. We were allowed to goof off almost as much as we liked, as long as we didn't disrupt the teaching process too much or endanger ourselves (like play with volatile chemicals, create fireballs in the lab when not assigned to, give each other electric shocks for fun, set each other on fire, etc., etc.) we were given pretty much free rein.

Now, this may have to do with the fact that it was 1) a private school and 2) a religious school. But the school administrators seemed to genuinely care about us and care what was happening, rather than blindly following a set of rules. Well, a few of them were like that, but most were decent.

Of course he was going to throw the bullet at some one, and it being a bullet, would kill them based on that fact alone.

You know, one of these days some kid is going to go postal with a pair of pencils and do a "Godfather" on some teacher...

Then all kids will be allowed to have is chalk & slate... back to the good old 1700's :rolleyes: :headbang:
You could break that slate, and then use the sharp edges on the shards as a stabbing weapon. Then you powder up the chalk dust and blow it in to your enemies eyes seconds before you strike.
Blinded and bleeding they'd be forced to submit, and their head would be ripped off and held aloft before your classmates. A tribal scream of power will sound through the halls and the blood would flow like a river. NOW IS . . .

Sorry!
*Wipes flecks of saliva off of monitor*
I got a bit carried away there. So, erm, what were we talking about?

You could break that slate, and then use the sharp edges on the shards as a stabbing weapon. Then you powder up the chalk dust and blow it in to your enemies eyes seconds before you strike.
Blinded and bleeding they'd be forced to submit, and their head would be ripped off and held aloft before your classmates. A tribal scream of power will sound through the halls and the blood would flow like a river. NOW IS . . .

Sorry!
*Wipes flecks of saliva off of monitor*
I got a bit carried away there. So, erm, what were we talking about?
Ok smartarse. Crayons and Toilet Tissue. :rolleyes: :p

So then that is the class title for your rulers, well the upper castes need freedom from moral responsibilties so that they can properly control you and think of what is best.

It isn't about minorities. Hell, the people most bothered by zero tolerance in my time were was a subsect of the ruling caste who had to deal with limits on how pointy their pointy bracelets were, and how rainy it had to be before you could wear a trench coat (yes, someone was actually ordered to leave their coat "with the office" and not put it on until they were off school property because it wasn't unpleasant enough for it).

Just curious because you sound serious when making caste system references to a US state.. are you from India or the middle east?

Ok smartarse. Crayons and Toilet Tissue. :rolleyes: :p


i hear tissues are great for smothering, so they'll have to doodle on the floor ;p

i hear tissues are great for smothering, so they'll have to doodle on the floor ;p

You can gouge out an eye w/ a crayon.

Ok smartarse. Crayons and Toilet Tissue. :rolleyes: :p
Easy, leave the crayons on a heater while they bubble and melt.
"Hey teacher, come over here. I need help on my homework."
The teacher wanders over and:
"OH MY GOD!! MY EYES!!"
Hot wax splashed across the face. While she struggles to clear them another kid tackles her at the knees. SLAM, she crumples, and then the toilet paper covvers her nose and mouth.
Then it all goes black.

EDIT: I came up with my idea first, they posted before I did because I am creative, and they limit themselves to one liners. So I still win!

You can gouge out an eye w/ a crayon.
Oh the Humanity! Anything and Everything can be a weapon! We're doomed!

BAN EVERYTHING!

schools in ireland are sooo different.we dont have any 'policies' on students bringing weapons into school.why?because students don't bring weapons into schools often enough for it to be an issue.what does that say about america?

i can only imagine what these zero tolerance people would say about our woodwork room,the place is full of potentially deadly weapons.lol,by the sounds of things i'd be suspended cos the dozens of plastic cable ties(tieing peoples bags together with them is hilarious) in my bag could be used to strangle someone.

lol,then again we have our own stupid rules.lads arent allowed grow beards.we learned this from the principal,who has a beard,and we learned it from him in our last year of school because it isnt listed in our journals where it lists the rules about appearance.

Just curious because you sound serious when making caste system references to a US state.. are you from India or the middle east?
A quick skimming of my leavings in various threads (if you always take me literally) will tell you that I am:
A proper British Gentlemen, A lower class tough from Detroit, A Bisexual, An Asexual, a Pedophile, a Necrophile, a hard hearted capitalist, a psychotic Socialist, a fervent anarchist, a chronic Democrat, and an incessent Republican.
At various times I have supported Bush, denounced France, called for the dissolution of the U.S., mocked Jesus, announced my own divinity, worshipped other posters, fallen in deep and slavish love at least 6 times, announced complete and unending hatred for for no more than 4 people, offered sexual favors to at least 3.
I have been a pacifist to the extent of martyrdom, supported nuclear war, told commoner jokes, and been so enlightened and loving to my fellow man that I just couldn't stand it.
In short, I would be a stark-staring raving schizophrenic!

schools in ireland are sooo different.we dont have any 'policies' on students bringing weapons into school.why?because students don't bring weapons into schools often enough for it to be an issue.what does that say about america?Actually, very few students bring weapons of any kind to schools anywhere - outside of ghetto schools, the number of real incidents are quite small - it's just the paranoid freaking out of liberal anti-weapons administrators. Of course, when I went to High School, I was a member of the small-bore rifle team and biathalon team... we kept our rifles at school, unless we wanted to carry them home to practice...
i can only imagine what these zero tolerance people would say about our woodwork room,the place is full of potentially deadly weapons.Many districts have cancelled such classes for exactly that reason. :rolleyes:

ha! u think that's bad, some schools enforces zero tolerance to the extent of confiscation and suspension due to drug trafficking if you were caught giving ur friend an aspirin or cold medicine to help w/ her headache.

Moral of the story: Don't help friends in need.

Add: back when I was in HS, whiteouts were prohibited cuz some people may sniff it to get high. Although we did get to keep our wood and metal shop until the Cali budget cuts.

I've edited the title of this thread to something less likely to cause offence. We have had problems in the past with thread titles containing profanity - primarily, if I recall correctly, because they can be seen by class regions from the game.

Mr Fiddlebottoms: Please, no more with the killing of teachers thing.

~ Tsar the Mod.

Now, here's a gem or two from my own experiences in the hallowed halls of secondary education;

- Craft knives were banned. This was because a friend of mine got attacked with one. Prevention is better than cure, perhaps? Given how often I use my craft knife (and scalpel, for that matter) in tertiary education, I wonder how we survived.

- Permanent markers were banned. This was because people would write on walls with them.

- Aerosol Deoderants were banned. Some idiots found an asthmatic and sprayed them in his face ...

And we had the police sniffer dogs going around once or twice a year looking for marijuana. I kid ye not.

I got suspended for 2 days from the 8th grade for having a "Prozac" pen (my mom worked at a hospital) they claimed that I was in violation of the zero tolerance policy by advocating drug use.

I've edited the title of this thread to something less likely to cause offence. We have had problems in the past with thread titles containing profanity - primarily, if I recall correctly, because they can be seen by class regions from the game.Conceeded. Sorry. Can I still bang my head on a wall? :headbang: ;)

I wonder if these shits would have done this if his name was "Johnson". :headbang:

That's not fair. The school clearly screwed up, but there's no reason to believe it had anything to do with race.

That's not fair. The school clearly screwed up, but there's no reason to believe it had anything to do with race.
I know. But I figured if anyone was going to play the "race card" it should be me. I live here after all.

And we had the police sniffer dogs going around once or twice a year looking for marijuana. I kid ye not.
That was the best. Or maybe not...

Some close friends of mine would stand outside school in the parking lot on Fridays, bring a small barbeque grill, and grill up some burgers, have a cooler full of soda, sit, and talk.

On the night of our senior Homecoming game, they stayed all evening while the various clubs set up their floats for the Homecoming Parade. Some retard nearby who wasn't even with my friends fell off the back of a car, acting like a moron, and smashed her head, causing her to fall into seizures. The principal (who had had a past history of douchiness) then came out and said they were banned from grilling ever again.

There was another incident when the same group of kids saw that our completely retarded IT "teacher" (the term is used in its loosest sense here) had forgotten to lock and log-out of his computer, one that served the whole room. We took advantage of the situation, changed settings so that we would be able to install Starcraft on all of the client computers, and that's it. They were found out and suspended for "hacking," because using a computer that wasn't locked is considered "hacking." The administrators at my school were the same type of sods that consider anything with the word "hack" in it to be bad.

Sure, so long as it doesn't become ... smiley spam!

Interesting thing about the "race card", though - preoccupation with levels of melanin production may be a predominantly American thing. Or at least there seems to be a lot more "racially motivated" stuff - crimes, legislation, affirmative action - in America than down here in New Zealand. I suspect it may have something to do with the demographics - you have larger minorities, perhaps.

But that's off-topic to some degree ...

Comment: Kid tries to do the right thing but gets screwed by idiot teachers and idiot policies. :headbang:

NEWS FLASH! It's a F*CKING BULLET NOT A GUN What's he going to do, swallow it and use his dick as a pistol?

I am so mad at this stupid town I live in I could spit.
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I wonder if these shits would have done this if his name was "Johnson". :headbang:


well he could throw it at someone... maybe causing a bruise. hehe

Actually, very few students bring weapons of any kind to schools anywhere - outside of ghetto schools, the number of real incidents are quite small - it's just the paranoid freaking out of liberal anti-weapons administrators. Of course, when I went to High School, I was a member of the small-bore rifle team and biathalon team... we kept our rifles at school, unless we wanted to carry them home to practice...
Many districts have cancelled such classes for exactly that reason. :rolleyes:


Oh? Columbine was a ghetto school?

Yep, this is pretty daft. :rolleyes:

Obviously the teachers followed some rulebook without engaging their ears and brains.

Oh? Columbine was a ghetto school?
Columbine, and the following copycat incidents are anomolies, and in each case would not have been prevented by stupid "zero tolerance" rules. In fact, in the case of the Georgia school, the incident was stopped by a teacher who had do go off school grounds to get the (his own) handgun used to stop the student from driving to the next school.

Inner city schools have a far greater problem with weapons being brought to school, but the stupidity of zero tolerance seems to manifest itself primarily in liberal suburban school systems. Go figure. :rolleyes:

You know...kids can headbutt teachers.

WE MUST DECAPITATE ALL CHILDREN.

Wow. I just realized that this thread got 3 Mod hits, Two from a previously unseen (by me) Mod...

Is this a good thing or bad thing?

NEWS FLASH! It's a F*CKING BULLET NOT A GUN What's he going to do, swallow it and use his dick as a pistol?
And here's a NEWS FLASH for YOU! Teachers have not a bloody thing to do with the thrice damned policies. Thank YOUR Congress and YOUR state legislature and YOUR local school board. We just have to ENFORCE the damn things.

It is stupid, yes, but that's what YOU (or rather the polticians you elected) have ordered the schools to DO; and we do so because if it were a case where someone did come to harm, the school would be reamed from one end to the other, repeatedly, for not following the God damned law. The excuse of "Oh, well zero tolerance doesn't make ANY sence so we let it slide" isn't going to protect the school from being sued by pissed off and hurt parents whose child was hurt or killed.

Skuld's hammer, it's like blaiming the police for the stupid law they have to enforce.

The fact that you can't even defend yourself is absolutely pathetic.

My freshman year a 200lb senior attacked me so I threw him in a headlock and held him there until the teachers arrived. I was given five days suspension and the guy who attacked me was given three because he never actually hit me.

I will tell my son that if he is ever in a dangerous situation to defend himself just as my father taught me.

And here's a NEWS FLASH for YOU! Teachers have not a bloody thing to do with the thrice damned policies. Thank YOUR Congress and YOUR state legislature and YOUR local school board. We just have to ENFORCE the damn things.

It is stupid, yes, but that's what YOU (or rather the polticians you elected) have ordered the schools to DO; and we do so because if it were a case where someone did come to harm, the school would be reamed from one end to the other, repeatedly, for not following the God damned law. The excuse of "Oh, well zero tolerance doesn't make ANY sence so we let it slide" isn't going to protect the school from being sued by pissed off and hurt parents whose child was hurt or killed.

Skuld's hammer, it's like blaiming the police for the stupid law they have to enforce.Psst - a little secret for you... The Teacher's Unions weild a hell of a lot more power over "YOUR Congress and YOUR state legislature and YOUR local school board" than I do. Every time they say "jump" the powers that be ask "how high" on the way up.

The NEA could have put the kaibosh on this crap from day one, but they didn't - because it works well with the rest of their (corporate) agenda.

So I most certainly DO put the blame on Teachers (corporately).

Psst - a little secret for you... The Teacher's Unions weild a hell of a lot more power over "YOUR Congress and YOUR state legislature and YOUR local school board" than I do. Every time they say "jump" the powers that be ask "how high" on the way up.

The NEA could have put the kaibosh on this crap from day one, but they didn't - because it works well with the rest of their (corporate) agenda.

So I most certainly DO put the blame on Teachers (corporately).
What that's right, how utterly stupid of me. How could I have ever missed that the NEA went around making up these laws as it has full control over all levers of goverment. How could I have not known that the NEA, legitimate target of conservatives everywhere, has, as its only purpose, made rules that causes more headaches and work for teachers.

And of course I HAD forgotten that the NEA has more influance than, say, the NRA, so it could get whatever law passed that it wished. It can't get raises for teachers, it can't get NCLB funded, and it can't get rid of the useless testing, but it CAN get zero tollerence laws passed. My goodness gracious me, I feel so stupid now.

How COULD I have missed that the NEA is behind all zero tolerance laws and NOT PTAs and parents frantically calling for legistlation after all those high profile school shootings. Why, I bet that the NEA even PLANNED the school shootings and had the bills already drafted before the blood was dry.

Yup, had nothing to do with scared parents at all, nope, not at all. /sarcasm.

Pull the other one kid, its got bells on.

What that's right, how utterly stupid of me. How could I have ever missed that the NEA went around making up these laws as it has full control over all levers of goverment. How could I have not known that the NEA, legitimate target of conservatives everywhere, has, as its only purpose, made rules that causes more headaches and work for teachers.

And of course I HAD forgotten that the NEA has more influance than, say, the NRA, so it could get whatever law passed that it wished. It can't get raises for teachers, it can't get NCLB funded, and it can't get rid of the useless testing, but it CAN get zero tollerence laws passed. My goodness gracious me, I feel so stupid now.

How COULD I have missed that the NEA is behind all zero tolerance laws and NOT PTAs and parents frantically calling for legistlation after all those high profile school shootings. Why, I bet that the NEA even PLANNED the school shootings and had the bills already drafted before the blood was dry.

Yup, had nothing to do with scared parents at all, nope, not at all. /sarcasm.

Pull the other one kid, its got bells on.


wait

HTML doesn't work here and [sarcasm] isn't a vB code. Also, you forgot to open the sarcasm tag and put < > around the closing tag. :/

What that's right, how utterly stupid of me. How could I have ever missed that the NEA went around making up these laws as it has full control over all levers of goverment. How could I have not known that the NEA, legitimate target of conservatives everywhere, has, as its only purpose, made rules that causes more headaches and work for teachers.

And of course I HAD forgotten that the NEA has more influance than, say, the NRA, so it could get whatever law passed that it wished. It can't get raises for teachers, it can't get NCLB funded, and it can't get rid of the useless testing, but it CAN get zero tollerence laws passed. My goodness gracious me, I feel so stupid now.

How COULD I have missed that the NEA is behind all zero tolerance laws and NOT PTAs and parents frantically calling for legistlation after all those high profile school shootings. Why, I bet that the NEA even PLANNED the school shootings and had the bills already drafted before the blood was dry.

Yup, had nothing to do with scared parents at all, nope, not at all. /sarcasm.

Pull the other one kid, its got bells on.Well, at least now we know how well you did in ED303 - "Sarcasam for Union Apologists" :rolleyes:

Of course not, why would Teachers take any responsibility for ZT? They only follow orders, right? Not that the AFT and NEA haven't supported ZT (http://www.edlawcenter.org/test/ELCPublic/Publications/PDF/Survey_ZeroTolerance.pdf) - without actually defining what should actually merit ZT, Real weapons or things that scare teachers - like tweety-bird wallet chains. Nor had they they (as of 2002) approached the issue for inconsistancies with their own policies - except to say "it's not our fault" "it is implemented badly" (we were only following orders).

Vague, Stupid, Political rules do NOT have to be enforced. If the Unions said "NO", then backed it up with a reasonable plan then teachers (corporately) could be let off the hook. Until then, I guess you can just keep "following orders".

Vague, Stupid, Political rules do NOT have to be enforced. If the Unions said "NO", then backed it up with a reasonable plan then teachers (corporately) could be let off the hook. Until then, I guess you can just keep "following orders".
Unfortuantely, vague, stupid LAWS have to be followed.
http://endzerotolerance.com/zero_tolerance_overview.htm
http://www.jlc.org/EZT/StateLaws/default.htm

And as much as you keep screaming about the teacher's union not doing anything, why don't you do something? Like I said, the NRA holds a hell of a lot more political sway than the NEA, but of course the NRA actually supports zero tolerance as pertains to schools.

Oh, and I don't know where you work, but in my world, when your boss tells you the rules, you follow them unless you don't want a job. Those boards that have gone overboard with policies are the ones who call the tune.

Unfortuantely, vague, stupid LAWS have to be followed.
http://endzerotolerance.com/zero_tolerance_overview.htm
http://www.jlc.org/EZT/StateLaws/default.htm

And as much as you keep screaming about the teacher's union not doing anything, why don't you do something? Like I said, the NRA holds a hell of a lot more political sway than the NEA, but of course the NRA actually supports zero tolerance as pertains to schools.When did the NRA become a Union with the power to Strike when the rules become pernicious? The LAWS say "no weapons or destructive devices" (and in some jurisdictions "replica weapons" - replica weapon being a non-firing/blunt edged item that can easily be mistaken for a real weapon). It is LOCAL POLICY that says "we want to call origami guns, tweety-bird chains, kids going "bang bang" and lone cartridges "weapons"". The Unions have a great deal of sway over LOCAL POLICY and how it is implemented. But it seems that the only policy worth striking over is money. :rolleyes:
From your own link:
Oftentimes, policymakers in these contentious incidents claim that they are allowed little or no room for flexibility in the administration of district disciplinary policy. Yet this inflexibility is in no way a requirement of federal zero tolerance policy. Indeed, by requiring local districts to have in place a procedure allowing for case-by-case review, the Gun-Free Schools Act appears to mandate some degree of flexibility in the implementation of zero tolerance. And according to the poll there: (I know it is a statistically insignificant sample...)
Where Should Zero Tolerance Reform Start? Total votes: 763

Local School District (Where individual Locals can make a case/Strike for Policy Change)
53.87% (411 votes)

State Level (Where Union Lobbyists are)
30.01% (229 votes)

Federal Level (Where the National Unions make Policy to deal with Laws)
16.12% (123 votes)

But thats OK. You don't have to hold your administrations accountable for anything but teacher compensation, do you... :rolleyes:
Oh, and I don't know where you work, but in my world, when your boss tells you the rules, you follow them unless you don't want a job.Wrong answer. When I was in the service, as an E4 I quite plainly and politely told a General where he could stuff it. His policy, while legal, was unsafe and stupid. He got the reprimand from the base commander - I did not. Those boards that have gone overboard with policies are the ones who call the tune.Except when y'all decide to strike... But I guess the issue of dealing with child safety in a fair and just manner just isn't important enough. :rolleyes:

edit: Oh, BTW, thank you for the links - especially since they more prove my point than yours...

Zero tolerance is merely an extension of the nanny-state idea that the government knows what's good for you, and you're a stupid idiot who can't be trusted to make decisions.

This sort of thinking gets us zero tolerance policies at schools, where teachers and administrators are considered too stupid to make rational decisions about handling children - a task for which they were trained and educated.

This also gets us mandatory sentencing, where judges are considered too stupid to make rational decisions about sentencing criminals - a task for which they were trained and educated.

The nanny-state philosophy is going as far as it can. Far beyond just telling individuals how to live their lives - it's making sure that any idiot can do any job because they are not only not required to think, but forbidden to do so.