NationStates Jolt Archive

Anyone know of any socialist websites for the presidency of the U.S. or on local or state levels?

I don't know. In my experience, simply getting people to take socialism seriously is hard enough.

I don't know. In my experience, simply getting people to take socialism seriously is hard enough. Come over to Britain. Socialism's part of the mainstream here… even though Labour isn't very socialist anymore. :(

Socialism… in… America? Truly a land of diversity.

no...there has got to be a friggin socialst party...or something very very very close. I mean I've seen the communist part as a choice so...

no...there has got to be a friggin socialst party...or something very very very close. I mean I've seen the communist part as a choice so...
Hey. How 'bout you look it up? I mean, that'd be the end result of anybody who DID give you the information. Here, I'll help you out:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=US+Socialist+Party&btnG=Google+Search

There. Just click on that, and find whatever links tickle your fancy. I just saved you like, two steps, dude :p

Anyone know of any socialist websites for the presidency of the U.S. or on local or state levels?

http://www.sp-usa.org/

Got 10,000 votes in 04 ;)

" Come over to Britain. Socialism's part of the mainstream here… even though Labour isn't very socialist anymore. "

Go old Labour! New Labour for Slave Labour...

www.gop.gov

www.democrats.org

I don't know. In my experience, simply getting people to take socialism seriously is hard enough.

Who would take an inefficient system based on thievery, punishing the successful, rewarding the lazy, and big government seriously?

Who would take an inefficient system based on thievery, punishing the successful, rewarding the lazy, and big government seriously?
That's basically every nation's government after a while. So... everyone?

Come over to Britain. Socialism's part of the mainstream here…

Here, too.

The following are just a sample of some of the many, many taxes we have in the U.S.A.:


Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone mi nimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax


Plus, we have the FDA, the Federal Reserve System, Medicare, Medicaid, Social(ist) (In)Security, Department of Education, a never-ending supply of business regulations which put thousands of small businesses out of business every year, affirmative action, minimum wage laws, TANF, dozens of other social welfare programs, so on and so forth. The federal government owns about 50% of the land in the entire country.

People say, "But look at all the privately owned companies, businesses, blah blah blah." Privately owned, yes, but in name only. Businesses are so crippled by regulations, restrictions, etc. that many of them outsource jobs and use child labor in countries with no respect for human life, rather than stay here and be slowly regulated to death.

That's basically every nation's government after a while. So... everyone?
Well, as soon as you get a government type that allows the people to vote themselves the contents of the treasury...

that's what you get.

Trouble is, what do you do when the money runs out.

That's basically every nation's government after a while. So... everyone?

That's why government should be as de-centralized and tiny as possible.

Here, too.

The following are just a sample of some of the many, many taxes we have in the U.S.A.:

Taxes have nothing to do with socialism. If workers don't have any power, it isn't socialism.

Taxes have nothing to do with socialism. If workers don't have any power, it isn't socialism.

The U.S. economic system is an ugly crossbreed between socialism and corporatism/fascism. It's a welfare-warfare state.

Taxes have nothing to do with socialism. If workers don't have any power, it isn't socialism. I agree. Socialism is about worker empowerment and, especially, trade union power.

I agree. Socialism is about worker empowerment and, especially, trade union power.

Exactly.

Taxes have nothing to do with socialism. If workers don't have any power, it isn't socialism.

*thumbs up*

The U.S. economic system is an ugly crossbreed between socialism and corporatism/fascism. It's a welfare-warfare state.

It doesn't have any semblance of socialism.

Your welfare system is significantly weaker than those of the rest of the capitalist world, there is massive disparity between rich and poor, and workers do not have any control over (or representation within) the means of production.

The USA is not in any way socialist.

Who would take an inefficient system based on thievery, punishing the successful, rewarding the lazy, and big government seriously?

That sounds like a description of the modern capitalist state to me. Last time I checked, it was capitalists and not socialists who pushed for keeping millions in the pockets of those who merely owned property even though that money came from the hard work of people with miniscule wealth in comparison.

Maybe I was dreaming, but it looked like capitalists who praised mere ownership of stock while decrying teachers, janitors, food industry workers, and all the other people who make life for the rich so comfortable, as whiny and lazy for insisting on better wages for their important contributions to society.

I must have been hallucinating when Bush, a strong supporter of capitalism, pushed for all those laws like the Patriot act and those anarchist forms of socialism that I happen to be a supporter of must have been nothing more than an optical illusion and series of false memories. Yep, that's got to be it.

If your really looking for a semi-socialist alternative, Canada is right up north, with plenty of open space and people happy to have you. ^.^

Our most popular party (the Liberals) have their problems, as any political party is bound to, but generally tend to lean socially. Our conservative party (the Conservatives, how ironic =P) are kind of a joke to most people... they still have a fairly big following in Ontario and Alberta though (big business and all that). Our socialists (the New Democratic Party, or NDP) are recently coming back off a couple decades of being maligned (instituting policies that cost people money through taxes just is never popular, even if necessary), but have seen a large resurgance in the past few years. The last of the major parties is the Bloc (Parti du Quebecois, Quebec Party essentially) is a fairly regional party... essentially only having support in it's home province. For awhile it tried to suceed from the country, but that sentiment has settled down, and it's support has slowly been waning.

Anyways... we're always happy to fill our ranks with more liberal minded Americans. Or anyone really... come join the party. =)