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*note; I spaced and made this a post on another thread when I wanted it to be a seperate topic. Silly me, here is my post, enjoy freethinkers all!

This is why I believe that Christianity is the single greatest threat faced by the Modern World.

This is (in summary) all the nice, wonderful things this religion (in reality the worlds largest DEATH CULT) has given us.

The Forced Conversions (and executions) of Pagans
The Crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
The Salem Witch Hunts
Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)
Green Light for Slavery
Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups)
Homophobia
Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)
The War on Science (Galileo)
The War on Science (Evolution)
The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)
The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)

Isn't this a lovely religion to force down your childs throat? Aren't you proud of this backward agrigarian death cult that seeks to turn back the clock to the Victorian Era where women are obedient brainless androids, slaves are doing the work, gays are so deep in the closet their finding christmas presents, and Science is the thing practised by Heathens and Witches?

What a crock of s*&^!

We've been getting alot of these threads today.

Meh, :rolleyes: .

We've been getting alot of these threads today.

Meh, :rolleyes: .
There must be something in the water I tell ya.

Or maybe people are beginning to awaken to the Evils of the Worlds Largest Death Cult.

But hey think what you want but this is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Perhaps it's something in the ambient water?

Or maybe people are beginning to awaken to the Evils of the Worlds Largest Death Cult.

But hey think what you want but this is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

It is your opinion, and you have every right to display it.

But, I have the right to go :rolleyes: .

*note; I spaced and made this a post on another thread when I wanted it to be a seperate topic. Silly me, here is my post, enjoy freethinkers all!

This is why I believe that Christianity is the single greatest threat faced by the Modern World.

This is (in summary) all the nice, wonderful things this religion (in reality the worlds largest DEATH CULT) has given us.

The Crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
The Salem Witch Hunts
Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)
Green Light for Slavery
Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups)
Homophobia
Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)
The War on Science (Galileo)
The War on Science (Evolution)
The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)
The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)

Isn't this a lovely religion to force down your childs throat? Aren't you proud of this backward agrigarian death cult that seeks to turn back the clock to the Victorian Era where women are obedient brainless androids, slaves are doing the work, gays are so deep in the closet their finding christmas presents, and Science is the thing practised by Heathens and Witches?

What a crock of s*&^!

Crusades- Indicative of the ENTIRE Christian movement?

The Spanish Inquisition- Indicative of the ENTIRE Christian movement?

The Salem Witch Hunts- HA. The musings of 5 teenage girls.

Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)- Yes. All Christians hated Jews and that led to Hitler's Final Solution.

Green Light for Slavery- Why were Christians codemning slavery as well? Indicative of the ENTIRE Christian movement?

Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups)- Yes. All Christians molest children then cover it up.

Homophobia- All Christians hate Fags. Yup.

Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)- Yup, represents the entire Christian movement.

The War on Science (Galileo)- Yup, entire movement. (no apology for that, right?)

The War on Science (Evolution)- Yes, entire movement.

The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)- Yup, every Christian is against Women. Women are the devil.

The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)- Yes, handing out CONDOMS stops the spread of AIDS a little, but not BIRTH CONTROL. Also, you forgot to add that this is because Christians hate black people.

You are a walking fallacy. You have nothing but hatred for something you don't like, quite like Christians and their supposed hatred of everything mentioned above. Hypocrite.

The Crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
The Salem Witch Hunts
Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)
Green Light for Slavery
Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups)
Homophobia
Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)
The War on Science (Galileo)
The War on Science (Evolution)
The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)
The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)

First of all, if you're going to criticize a religion, use arguments that are actually relevant rather than things that happened 300-1000 years ago.

Anti-Semitism? No, there's none of that in Islamic nations today. They all love the Jews and Israel.

Islam was a whole lot worse when it came to slavery and homophobia, and the thing is that they still have those problems thanks to corrupt,extremist hellholes like Iran or Sudan, or Somalia.

Islam's record on science wasn't too hot after the Middle Ages, and their technological advances vanished because the reactionaries began to clamp down on science during the Renaissance and afterward just like the Church did in the Middle Ages.

Pat Robertson is tame compared to the Muslim terrorists, and there is no organization nearly comparable to Al Qaeda in Christianity. Of course, it's unfair to even try and claim that all Christians or Muslims are like terrorists or extremists, but that's exactly what you're saying.

Islam isn't exactly a leader in the anti-AIDS campaign either; they're just as bad as the church, if not worse. They're also pretty bad when it comes to Women's Rights (really in favor of that one in Iran).

Don't
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"Christianity is the Enemy of Modern Western Civilization"
And then you post a bunch of things that happened 100+ years ago, with a few exceptions pretaining to individual idiots/depraved persons.

I give this thread 2.453123/10.612

Or maybe people are beginning to awaken to the Evils of the Worlds Largest Death Cult.

There aren't any problems with Islam, I take it.

There aren't any problems with Islam, I take it.

Errr I think he was refering to Scientology there. :p

Crusades- Indicative of the ENTIRE Christian movement?

The Spanish Inquisition- Indicative of the ENTIRE Christian movement?

The Salem Witch Hunts- HA. The musings of 5 teenage girls.

Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)- Yes. All Christians hated Jews and that led to Hitler's Final Solution.

Green Light for Slavery- Why were Christians codemning slavery as well? Indicative of the ENTIRE Christian movement?

Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups)- Yes. All Christians molest children then cover it up.

Homophobia- All Christians hate Fags. Yup.

Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)- Yup, represents the entire Christian movement.

The War on Science (Galileo)- Yup, entire movement. (no apology for that, right?)

The War on Science (Evolution)- Yes, entire movement.

The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)- Yup, every Christian is against Women. Women are the devil.

The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)- Yes, handing out CONDOMS stops the spread of AIDS a little, but not BIRTH CONTROL. Also, you forgot to add that this is because Christians hate black people.

You are a walking fallacy. You have nothing but hatred for something you don't like, quite like Christians and their supposed hatred of everything mentioned above. Hypocrite.


Yes, it not all chritians that fo this, but that is were a lot f the problem start, we we need to fix it or stop it( fix it is a much better idea)

Christianity/Catholicism aren't 'the world's biggest death cult'. Simple as that. Religion is religion, if it wasn't christianity it would be something else. Humans are self-destructive by nature, look at all the war. Look it all the people Stalin killed. Gee, lets ban ALL religion! Along with that lets make EVERYONE wear uniforms so people can't make fun of other's clothes. Lets give everyone the same amount of money so nobody is rich or poor! Lets somehow mess about with genetics and such so there is no white or black, just one monotone color. Lets force everyone to be the same height, same weight, same hair style, e.t.c e.t.c for there is nothing to fight about! Should I continue? Oh yes, and lets not simply abolish society itself being that it can cause such things as well. Do you get what I'm trying to point out to you here? Religion is very minor, catholics do tend, though only the crazed zealots mind you, to force their beliefs onto you. Wait a couple hundred, or thousand, years and it'll be gone and replaced by some new craze. And for the record, I'm not defending christianity/catholicism because I am so, though I hold a certain amount of respect for their beliefs.

Errr I think he was refering to Scientology there. :p

Noes! They're not even a cult, they're something far worse...

First of all, if you're going to criticize a religion, use arguments that are actually relevant rather than things that happened 300-1000 years ago.

Anti-Semitism? No, there's none of that in Islamic nations today. They all love the Jews and Israel.

Islam was a whole lot worse when it came to slavery and homophobia, and the thing is that they still have those problems thanks to corrupt,extremist hellholes like Iran or Sudan, or Somalia.

Islam's record on science wasn't too hot after the Middle Ages, and their technological advances vanished because the reactionaries began to clamp down on science during the Renaissance and afterward just like the Church did in the Middle Ages.

Pat Robertson is tame compared to the Muslim terrorists, and there is no organization nearly comparable to Al Qaeda in Christianity. Of course, it's unfair to even try and claim that all Christians or Muslims are like terrorists or extremists, but that's exactly what you're saying.

Islam isn't exactly a leader in the anti-AIDS campaign either; they're just as bad as the church, if not worse. They're also pretty bad when it comes to Women's Rights (really in favor of that one in Iran).

Is the current attempt to backdoor Creationism with Intelligent Design in our schools "300-1000" years ago? Is the Neo-Christian Right "300-1000" years ago group? We are not talking about Osama Bin Ladin in this thread we are talking about Christianity and the things that is has (and currently is) doing to turn back the clock on civllization itself.

Noes! They're not even a cult, they're something far worse...

No it can't be.........EVERYONE RUN IT'S A SCIENCE FICTION CONVENTION!!!!!

The Forced Conversions (and executions) of Pagans
Look at the history of the church and you'll understand the reason for this

The Crusades
Because the Catholic Church was a politcal power losing it's control

The Spanish Inquisition
See above

The Salem Witch Hunts
The witch hunts were a continuation of the ideals of the Office of the Inquisition

Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)
The Jews have been hated since their birth. It's not a Christian concept deary.

Green Light for Slavery
And nobody else did?

Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups)
Organized? Cover-ups yes, but hardly organized.

Homophobia
If they see it as wrong, then they will work against it

Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)
He's a nutter, plain and simple.

The War on Science (Galileo)
Removes the power of the Church

The War on Science (Evolution)
Same as above

The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)
Removes the power of the patriarchy, which the Jews fought to create before Christianity, so they didn't like it.

The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)
That one I don't know about, they're crazy yo.

From a gay pagan priest.

Is the current attempt to backdoor Creationism with Intelligent Design in our schools "300-1000" years ago? Is the Neo-Christian Right "300-1000" years ago group? We are not talking about Osama Bin Ladin in this thread we are talking about Christianity and the things that is has (and currently is) doing to turn back the clock on civllization itself.

No, the Crusades, slavery, Salem, sanctioned Anti-Semitism, and all of that are 300+ years ago.

Nowhere near all Christians want creationsim in their classrooms, and the religious right isn't as powerful or threatening as it's made out to be.

Osama bin Laden is a Muslim who condones evil acts against nonbelievers; if you're going to call Christianisty evil and a cult because of its extremists, you're going to have to do the same with Islam.

Furthermore, if you're worried about people turning back civilization, the Muslim extremists who want religious law and oppressive theocracy, along with the slaughter/subjugation of all other beliefs are a lot larger threat than the whackjob minority of Christian extremists. Look at Iran and Taliban-era Afghanistan to see the real destruction of civilization.

The Crusades
- maybe not the best thing but definitly not any worse than what extremist muslims do today( I say extremist because it is not the mainstream belief)
The Spanish Inquisition
-once again, I am against forced conversions, but this is human error, not the fault of the religion.
The Salem Witch Hunts
-This is more because of some englishmans laws and england enfocing there laws on there colonies
Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)
-once again peoples misinterpretation of the relisgion. many people did not feel this way, this is more an idea of the deranged nazis than of christianity
Green Light for Slavery
-This may have been the reason why some thought it was ok to own slaves, but christians were also forefront abolitionists.
Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups)
-organized, I am not a part of the catholic church but I doubt that they organize there molestations. this is more because priests are not able to have a wife so they find affection other ways( I against this rule and I am definitely not for child molestation.)
Homophobia
-you mistake not liking the person for not liking the sin. I can honestly say that I love and try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt when I first meet them. I attempt to help people out in whatever way I can. certainly I am against homosexuality, just like I am against lieing and stealing.
Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)
-this person has right to form an organisation and what makes tis more wrong than any liberal organisation. I say they are both fine.
The War on Science (Galileo)The War on Science (Evolution)
- I enoy science and I believe it is nesesary for our culture to continue. I dont base my belief system on science, though.
The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)
I am fine with leaving rights the wayt ehy are. abortion I am against mainly because the unborn child has rights as well.
The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)
once again I am not a part of the catholic church and dont always agree witht there methods, the heart is in the reight place, its just not the right way to go about it.

The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)
That one I don't know about, they're crazy yo.

You didn't know about this?

Both Popes John Paul II and Bendidict XVI (or whatever his name is) have said that condoms and birthcontrol are quote "Abominations in the eyes of God..." unquote (along those lines).

You didn't know about this?

Both Popes John Paul II and Bendidict XVI (or whatever his name is) have said that condoms and birthcontrol are quote "Abominations in the eyes of God..." unquote (along those lines).

I KNOW about it, but I don't have a defense for it.

No it can't be.........EVERYONE RUN IT'S A SCIENCE FICTION CONVENTION!!!!!

Damn it, I'm out of ammo...ohh God, they're shooting us with their William Shatner beams of shitty acting! Run!

Damn it, I'm out of ammo...ohh God, they're shooting us with their William Shatner beams of shitty acting! Run!

LOL! :)

Damn it, I'm out of ammo...ohh God, they're shooting us with their William Shatner beams of shitty acting! Run!
They've dried that ammo up; now they're shooting us with multiple-flux phasers! They burn!

Khallayne, you do realize that christians sanctify marriage and marriage is just for people to spit out babies like a factory(in the zealous catholic mind atleast). That's why they are against condoms and birth control, not because they want all blacks to get AIDS.

They've dried that ammo up; now they're shooting us with multiple-flux phasers! They burn!

Crap they've set them to reruns DUCK AND COVER!

I'll pray for you. But some people are just not written into the book of life. Only God knows where you are bound. But I forgive you, for you know not what you say or do.

This thread - another perfect example of why the only thing as despicable as ignorant religious fanatics is... ignorant anti-religious fanatics!

The Forced Conversions (and executions) of Pagans - Let's all look on as morons pervert the teachings of Christ for their own gains!
The Crusades - Lots more perversion
The Spanish Inquisition - Perversion continues
The Salem Witch Hunts - Less perverse, but still there

Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism) - Why that Christian fundamentalist Adolf Hitler did what he did, and that bastion of radical religious conservatives known as France still continues to note hundreds of anti-Semetic incedents. Christianity is probably the greatest proponent of Judaism around today, morons screaming "they killed Jesus" being the exception

Green Light for Slavery - Is that why so many opposed it on moral grounds?

Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups) - Because the Bible is a strong advocate of child molestation

Homophobia - Evidence of why many Christians need to reread their Bibles

Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right) - You'd probably consider me one of them. But there is the farthest difference between me and Pat, and those crazy Baptist wannabe-terrorist groups that go around causing havoc at military funerals in our "heathen nation".

The War on Science (Galileo) - Christ was a heavy advocate of the repression of scientific discovery that disproved unfounded doctrine, thankfully

The War on Science (Evolution) - Why I and many other Christians feel that evolution should still be taught in public schools. It's up to the individual to believe as they will.

The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.) - Sometimes, I want to agree with Limbaugh and call it "Women's Domination" as promoted by the "Feminazis". Not all Christians abuse women and attempt to exert male dominance over them. Why? Not because we are dissenters - but because such a belief has no foundation in the teachings of Christ.

The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa) - Something tells me that the real crusade here is against pregnancy and sexual relations out of wedlock.

Isn't this a lovely religion to force down your childs throat? Aren't you proud of this backward agrigarian death cult that seeks to turn back the clock to the Victorian Era where women are obedient brainless androids, slaves are doing the work, gays are so deep in the closet their finding christmas presents, and Science is the thing practised by Heathens and Witches

That's only the crazy, Al-Qaeda-esque groups. I hope you don't think we actually follow them. There are enough ignorant people that still need to get over the fact that not all Muslims are crazy suicide bombers as it stands. Though I do want to point out that if witchcraft is your idea of science, then Christianity is very much against this concept.

You are clearly disregarding the fact that few Christian religions today could be considered to have a gospel anything alike the original Church of Jesus Christ. It was not His church that committed these acts, you know ;)

Which is why this post surely must be evidence of why Athiesm (or non-Christian belief in general) is the Single Greatest Threat Faced by the Modern World!!!!11!!one!!

Which is why this post surely must be evidence of why Athiesm (or non-Christian belief in general) is the Single Greatest Threat Faced by the Modern World!!!!11!!one!!

I'm not an atheist, I'm a Zen Buddhist speaking out agianst what I know to be a corruption of spiritual reality.

Gee Shinano, that last bit wasn't too good. It was a joke, correct? Not much sense of humor here, so was it a joke?

You let the acts of the few determine your opinion of the many?

Shall we say, then, that all followers of Islam build bombs and blow themselves up, eh?

You let the acts of the few determine your opinion of the many?

Shall we say, then, that all followers of Islam build bombs and blow themselves up, eh?

My guess that at the rate things are going in the middle east that in ten years that yes, all followers of Islam would of statisticly at least tried to blow themselves and Americans (or Europeans if no Infidell Americans are around) to kingdomcome.

Hm, I'm not sure its even worthwhile to post here since I'm not sure if you are trying to flame or actually believe what you are saying.

I'm a Christian. I don't agree with the crusades or the spanish inquisition. I don't hate Jews or homosexuals. I'm against slavery and against racism. I not only dislike Pat Robertson but think many of the things he says are downright evil. I'm a big supporter of woman's rights and think its about time they make as much as men. The only thing you got me on was abortion. I'm very strongly opposed to teaching intelligent design in schools. It's an insult to science. You are right that it is Christians trying to force their beliefs on others, which I am strongly opposed to, but we aren't all bad. I'm pro-life, but not because I hate women, but because I love children.

I'm not too happy myself that a large number of people who claim to be Christians often take the wrong side of the debate, but is it just their support of the neo-conservatives that bothers you? Not to be nosey but I was wondering if you had any run-ins with Christians yourself that has caused you to dislike them.

For clarification, yes that was a joke ;) . I don't really think athiests are the scum of the earth, or something stupid like that. I tried to emphasize the jokeness by saying non-Christian as well. Apparently you guys really do think us Christians are a bunch of Westboro Baptists :mad:

Organized religion to begin with was the greatest enemy of the world, long before the Romans had dominated the known world.
But give someone a thought with some facts proven by nothing add a lot of gullable people, and boom, you got yourself a religion and some followers to spread/shove your word down everyones throats, or be killed by it... :headbang:

My guess that at the rate things are going in the middle east that in ten years that yes, all followers of Islam would of statisticly at least tried to blow themselves and Americans (or Europeans if no Infidell Americans are around) to kingdomcome.

You do know that Keruvalia, a well-respected contributor to this forum, is Sunni Muslim, don't you?

You say that he will, in the next 10 years, try to suicide bomb me?

This is why I believe that Christianity is the single greatest threat faced by the Modern World
....
The Forced Conversions (and executions) of Pagans
The Crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
The Salem Witch Hunts
Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)
Green Light for Slavery
Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups)
Homophobia
Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)
The War on Science (Galileo)
The War on Science (Evolution)
The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)
The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)

Why are historical events the greatest threat to the MODERN world? I don't get it. These are terrible signs of religious hatred, but hardly the biggest threat to us all now.

Not to be nosey but I was wondering if you had any run-ins with Christians yourself that has caused you to dislike them.

Do you think it's easy being a closeted gay teen in the buckle of the bible belt?

It's not safe to come out.

I have only a handful of friends.

I've been ridiculed, spat on, hit, kick, had things thrown at, I've even had some religious nuts try to convince me that I need "therapy" for being me.

So YES I might be a little bias agianst this evil death cult, but then agian I just MIGHT have a good reason beyond these personal issues.

:rolleyes: Yay, more stereotypical comments....

You do know that Keruvalia, a well-respected contributor to this forum, is Sunni Muslim, don't you?

You say that he will, in the next 10 years, try to suicide bomb me?

It's call sacasm... :headbang:

It's call sacasm... :headbang:

Considering that this thread is based on illogical thinking, this type of thought is not beyond you.

The Forced Conversions (and executions) of Pagans
The Crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
The Salem Witch Hunts
Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)
Green Light for Slavery
Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups)
Homophobia
Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)
The War on Science (Galileo)
The War on Science (Evolution)
The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)
The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)

Okay, so for the conversions, nearly every religion tries to convert other people, and plenty of non-religious groups try to push their beliefs/ideals on other people, too. (How about political parties? What about you right now in this post?) It may not be perfect, but it's not a specifically Christian concept.

Crusades -- yeah, I think the crusades were a bad thing, but every religion has had its religious wars. Again, this isn't specific to the Christian faith.

Witch hunts also had nothing to do with the Christian faith whatsoever. It was a mass hysteria, but it wasn't caused by Christianity.

Anti-semitism is a significant problem, but again it has very little to do with Christianity. There are anti-semites in every religion, except Judaism, I suppose. I don't consider Christianity a major factor in the holocaust either -- Jews had a lot of the money, so they became scapegoats. But plenty of Christians were killed, too. Even if many of the perpetrators happened to be Christian, it's not because the Christian faith told them to do it -- that was the nazi government, and I don't blame religion.

Slavery again was a major injustice that had nothing to do with Christianity. It was a sin committed primarily by white-people-with-money against blacks, not only by Christians.

"Organized child molestation" -- okay, this was a big messup, and I won't attempt to deny that. But blaming the entirety of Christianity for it is a bit of an oversimplification. The religion had far less to do with it than the individual priests, and really it was just a couple cardinals involved in the coverup. Most Christians had no idea it was happening, and they were as outraged as anyone else when they found out.

The Neo-Conservative Christian Right, I agree with you about, though many would dispute it, but again, it is a segment of the Christian population, not a representation of the whole thing.

I really don't want to waste more of my time finishing this point by point, but you get the idea. And just so you know there's no conflict of interest here, I'm not Christian. I'm an agnostic-ish Jew. I'm just going to leave you with the point that I think it's a bit ironic that one of the major things you're mad at Christianity for is prejudice, but yet you're passing judgment on probably 3/4 of our nation at once. Think before you speak.

Do you think it's easy being a closeted gay teen in the buckle of the bible belt?

It's not safe to come out.

I have only a handful of friends.

I've been ridiculed, spat on, hit, kick, had things thrown at, I've even had some religious nuts try to convince me that I need "therapy" for being me.

So YES I might be a little bias agianst this evil death cult, but then agian I just MIGHT have a good reason beyond these personal issues.

Okay, sorry for being nosey. But at least I can see why you are upset and that you aren't just trying to flame. Being straight I can't claim to understand how bad they treated you, but being from a conservative midwestern state I've seen people behave like that. Christianity doesn't teach that. The often quoted verse that says "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" is a good example. I don't see why gays have been targeted either. Why don't they just attack everyone who has premarital sex while they are at it. Oh wait, that would be the vast majority of them. They are just hypocrites is all.

The New Testimate quotes Jesus as saying that the most important thing for Christians is to love God and love their neighbors. That means no matter what the Christian does or believes first and foremost he is to love God and secondly love other people. Christians are comanded to love you. So those people who misstreat you are either seriously missguided or simply not really Christians.

Der Drache: I like the response but I'd like to ask you this question with no anger directed at you.

If there are so many "Good Christians" then why is it the only ones talking, protesting, bombing abortion clinics, etc. Are the Homophobic, Neo-Con, Closet-Racist, jerks?

Der Drache: I like the response but I'd like to ask you this question with no anger directed at you.

If there are so many "Good Christians" then why is it the only ones talking, protesting, bombing abortion clinics, etc. Are the Homophobic, Neo-Con, Closet-Racist, jerks?

I know this question is directed at him, but I'll put in my 2 cents, if you don't mind.

Simply put, nice, normal people don't get put on TV.

The Forced Conversions- This no longer happens in moderen nations
The Crusades- This started in reaction to the persecution of christians in palistine
The Spanish Inquisition-This was the caltholic spanish, who mainly killed CHRISTIAN protestants who would not convert and not pagans.
The Salem Witch Hunts
Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)-Nazi's for the most part are atheists who also killed christians that helped jews escape
Green Light for Slavery-Show me where you can find this in the bible and not some general its all over
Organized Child Molestation-thats catholic not christian as a whole,
theres also protestants who you are including who don't, plus there are just is a lot more people other then christians doing this
Homophobia-not true, christians are againest this life choice but aren't afraid of it
Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)-i don't see what your trying to point out other then the hate you have for him
The War on Science (Galileo)-Galileo was a very religous man who went againest the catholic churches beliefs like Martain Luther did
The War on Science (Evolution)-there is a lot of evidense to prove the theory wrong, i can give you several sites about the facts
The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)-Not even worth debateing,
The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)-Birthcontrol does not help prevent the spread of aids and again catholic is not christian as a whole just one part

For clarification, yes that was a joke ;) . I don't really think athiests are the scum of the earth, or something stupid like that. I tried to emphasize the jokeness by saying non-Christian as well. Apparently you guys really do think us Christians are a bunch of Westboro Baptists :mad:

Haha, I don't think you christians are a bunch of Wastboro baptists, my humor isn't really something I can take pride on....so yeah. I know alot christians, they are great! Hating people because of their religion really is shallow-minded, no? And do you have any idea for the purpose of all these "Christianity/God is the new plague that threatens all our scientific advances! God forbid!....She's a witch! Burn her!(Sorry, Monty Python moment)" And now there's an athiest bashing thread too! Next thing you know they'll be bashing about LaVeyan Satanists too. :(

Der Drache: I like the response but I'd like to ask you this question with no anger directed at you.

If there are so many "Good Christians" then why is it the only ones talking, protesting, bombing abortion clinics, etc. Are the Homophobic, Neo-Con, Closet-Racist, jerks?

Thats a good question. Partly because that's what the media likes. We can talk all we want about what Christianity suppose to be about and very few listen. It makes boring news to see some guy talking about how we all should try to get along. But its fun to watch Pat Robertson say stupid things like the sins of the people in New York caused September 11. I'm actually not sure what to do. I try to explain to both Christians and non-Christians that hatred is not what Christianity is about, but it doesn't seem to do much good. There are plenty of "bad Christians" out there, but they aren't living up to Christian doctrine. If you sat down and read the New Testimate you would see that Jesus Christ was very kind and gentle.

People that do these things to youare just using christianity as an excuse for there actions. I personally cannot say I have ever harassed someone for being gay. I can imagine it would be tough, but I have never experianced that. I have a gay friend and we play tennis together all the time. certainly ive discussed christianity with him. Ive discussed christianity with mst of my friends. I always wait till I find the right moment and if they aren't receptive I give them room. I try to live my life as unhypocritical as possible. the thing is you can't see the good people who dont come up and harass you, but its not hard to miss the ones that wont leave you alone.

No, the Crusades, slavery, Salem, sanctioned Anti-Semitism, and all of that are 300+ years ago.

Nowhere near all Christians want creationsim in their classrooms, and the religious right isn't as powerful or threatening as it's made out to be.

Osama bin Laden is a Muslim who condones evil acts against nonbelievers; if you're going to call Christianisty evil and a cult because of its extremists, you're going to have to do the same with Islam.

Furthermore, if you're worried about people turning back civilization, the Muslim extremists who want religious law and oppressive theocracy, along with the slaughter/subjugation of all other beliefs are a lot larger threat than the whackjob minority of Christian extremists. Look at Iran and Taliban-era Afghanistan to see the real destruction of civilization.


I think the whole point of all this is not to lay a blanket you each individual christian. Instead it's a plea with the sensable among you to take a long hard look at the people whom you choose to represent you and, by default, set your agenda.

You probably don't believe the same things as James Dobson does, but he is one of the self professed "defenders" of your faith, and many MANY christians fall lockstep in behind him. The same can be said of Robertson, and so on. Is that the face you want on your religion?

Why are these types of people coming into influential positions at all?

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The Forced Conversions (and executions) of Pagans
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Unbiblical. Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" so no, Christianity does not support that.

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The Crusades[QUOTE]

Far more territorial than it was religious

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The Spanish Inquisition[QUOTE]

Like the crusades, a group of corrupt poweful people using religion to advance their genocidial ideas. The genocidal ideas are not themselves religious

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The Salem Witch Hunts[QUOTE]

See above regarding Pagans

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Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)[QUOTE]

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Green Light for Slavery[QUOTE]

See Mr Wilberforce and the Quakers

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Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups)[QUOTE]

A small minority of cases blown into a world wide phnomina. Some would argue the same is true of Islamic millitancy but unlike Islam, Chrisitnaity does not have war and killing of its opponents enshirned in actual active docrine or as an activity admiried in its leader (See mohammad and the battle of Badra)

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Homophobia)[QUOTE]

Believing homosexual sex to be a sin does not equate to being fearful of the people who practice it

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Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)[QUOTE]

You can disagree with him, but you cant call him objectively wrong, unless you believe in an objective set of morals. And where do said morals come from? God most likely

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The War on Science (Galileo)
The War on Science (Evolution)[QUOTE]

I dont know enough about Galileo to comment accurately but the Bible never mentions anything about which goes round which so there was no reason to get fussed about it. As for evolution, there is a lack of evidence for abiogeneis and the Cambrian strata which is largely difficult for scientists to creadably explain

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The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)[QUOTE]

I dont see how not allowing abortion threatens womens rights, any more than not allowing murder threatens my rights


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The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)
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Again, nothing biblical about contriception so I see no problem with it

*note; I spaced and made this a post on another thread when I wanted it to be a seperate topic. Silly me, here is my post, enjoy freethinkers all!

This is why I believe that Christianity is the single greatest threat faced by the Modern World.

This is (in summary) all the nice, wonderful things this religion (in reality the worlds largest DEATH CULT) has given us.

The Forced Conversions (and executions) of Pagans
The Crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
The Salem Witch Hunts
Anti-Semitism (which evolved into the Holocaust and Neo-Nazism)
Green Light for Slavery
Organized Child Molestation (Catholic Church and it's coverups)
Homophobia
Pat Robertson (and his ilk, the Neo-Conservative Christian Right)
The War on Science (Galileo)
The War on Science (Evolution)
The War on Womens Rights (Abortion, Equal Rights Admendment, etc.)
The Catholic Churches Crusade agianst Condoms and Birthcontrol (which has helped to spread AIDS in Africa)

Isn't this a lovely religion to force down your childs throat? Aren't you proud of this backward agrigarian death cult that seeks to turn back the clock to the Victorian Era where women are obedient brainless androids, slaves are doing the work, gays are so deep in the closet their finding christmas presents, and Science is the thing practised by Heathens and Witches?

What a crock of s*&^! Socialism is the enemy. Socialism led to China under Mao, Stalin's tyranny, and almost the destruction of the earth.

Actually, let's abolish nations. Look what separate nations have led to.

(coming from a Socialist)

I believe that Galileo Himself was a devout Catholic, He held that science and religion were two seperate languages, explaining the same story. One of symmetry and balance. Unlucky for him, the Catholic Church, did not share this view. For the Church, the only way a being could hope to understand God, was through the soul. Galileo Galilie was tried by the Church as a heritic, & subsequently placed under house arrest.

Khallayne, you're new here, so I'm inclined to be lenient ... but you need to read the rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023). Now. This sort of thing is flaming, and is absolutely unacceptable on NationStates.

iLock.

~ Tsar the Mod.