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I'm rather curious why athiests here have the incredable compultion to convert everyone on the board.

I've seen some really hurtfull posts on the subject clogging the forums. Usually, I just tell people to look away when something offends them, but when half of the posts on the forum are about the same thing, it's hard to look away.

Why can't you just leave believers alone? Is there something that so threatens you about religion? Are you, perhaps, jealous that someone can believe in something more important than themselves while you can not?

The way I see it, it's either that or you're just jerks. Take your pick.

Reguardless, religion is a deeply personal thing, and niether side should be trying to convert the other. If you want me to try to convince you of my beliefs, then I'll tell you. If you don't, go your own way my friend, because we'll all meet up again on judgement day.

So this is a plea to all of you... And the ultra-religious as well, because it wasn't long ago you were the same way. Please leave each other alone and get back to senseless Bush bashing or something.

Thank You.

I'm not threatened. Never particularly have been. Nor do I try to convert people to atheism. But if someone wants to engage in religious debate, cool. That's how these forums work, you know? Debate's all part of it.

Considering there have been 2 threads today about how Christianity is the disease of the modern world/ must be destroyed, I'd say that goes just a little beyond "Religious debate".

Yawn...

I'm rather curious why athiests here have the incredable compultion to convert everyone on the board..
The vast majority of people are buffoons. Whether Atheist, Christian or Scientologist, most have some agenda that they would force on others if they could. It is one of the reasons that my faith in democracy is failing.

Is anyone aware that there are three God-bashing threads on the front page alone!?!

I'm an atheist and enjoy a good religious debate, but have no desire to convert anyone, since I don't like people trying to convert me. I'll join in a debate but don't feel the need to challenge anyone else's beliefs for no good reason. There's nothing wrong with religion in moderation, as long as people realise it's a personal choice and the days of expecting evryone else to conform are long gone.

ah, but is this an attempt to convert you to atheism, or merely an attempt to point out the deep and ingrained flaws in North America's dominant religion?

there is a very distinct difference between these two, and, if I were being mean and vindictive, I might think that you were suggesting the only options available are either Christianity or atheism. That leaves the vast majority of the world's population out of the picture, and would seem to indicate you are already on the defensive from some other incident; merely taking out your frustration on what you believe to be an easy target.

Is there something that so threatens you about religion?
Yes.

The fact that certain religions, and their supposed followers, would wish to strip me of nearly every right I have and 'throw me to the lions' Daniel style.




Anyhow, each topic has its day on NS before another comes along and takes its place as the chief topic of discussion....right now it happens to be religion.

Is anyone aware that there are three God-bashing threads on the front page alone!?!
So you felt it appropriate to make an athiest bashing thread. Brilliant. :rolleyes:

Because, look at all the Republicans. Atheists don't want creationism shoved down their children's throats, so they fight theists to keep their numbers low enough for creationism not to become part of the school curriculum. At least, that's my guess. Maybe they just can't stand Handel's Hallelujah chorus.

Atheist fundamentalism/fanaticism is the same as religious fanaticism, so it's not surprising that you'll encounter intolerant, bigoted, and one-sided atheists who want to force their beliefs on you. They also have as irrational a command of facts and logic as the religious fundies as well.

Most of the time they're follow ups to "Accept god or perish you wicked heathens." Or some such nonsense. It ebbs and flows.

The threat, if there really is one, is the cats coming to my door, the people legislating faith, the attempt to include mythology/and or theological belief into science classes, the notion that indoctrinization of children through lead prayer in public schools is a good idea, or any number of the other things of that nature that pop up.

If your faith dictates that you have to push the word, that's fine. But you can't bitch when occasionally there's a push back. I'm not saying that some of the people who push back aren't dicks or excessive, but c'mon-lets not play the victim too hard now.

So you felt it appropriate to make an athiest bashing thread. Brilliant. :rolleyes:

This isn't an athiest bashing thread. Read the post before you comment.

The only times I really get involved in religious discussions are either when someone is attacking my beliefs or when I think that violence is about to break out. For the most part, if you don't try and convert me to your religion, I don't really care to try and take away your faith in said religion.

I'm rather curious why athiests here have the incredable compultion to convert everyone on the board.

I'm curious why you think atheists have an incredible compulsion to convert anyone. I've never seen anyone try to convert anyone, actually.


I've seen some really hurtfull posts on the subject clogging the forums. Usually, I just tell people to look away when something offends them, but when half of the posts on the forum are about the same thing, it's hard to look away.

Wow, half the posts on the forum are atheists trying to convert people?

I had no idea!

Or maybe you're exagerrating to make it seem like yet again, the poor majority is being oppressed by the awful minority.


Why can't you just leave believers alone? Is there something that so threatens you about religion? Are you, perhaps, jealous that someone can believe in something more important than themselves while you can not?

Ooh! Ad hominem as well as inaccurate generalizations.


The way I see it, it's either that or you're just jerks. Take your pick.

Or maybe, you're the jerk, and you're doing something psychologists call "projecting." I'm an atheist, and I've not once tried to convert ANYONE. I dare you to find even a dozen posts that consist of atheists trying to convert anyone. Let alone "half the posts on the forum."

And since it's you making the thread calling other people jerks, I'd have to say yeah, it's you, not us atheists.


So this is a plea to all of you... And the ultra-religious as well, because it wasn't long ago you were the same way. Please leave each other alone and get back to senseless Bush bashing or something.


Actually, we'll all discuss what we damn well please.

Especially since you've so helpfully created a thread inspiring religious hatred while doing it under the guise of getting people to stop posting about religion. Gosh, why don't I think you'll get your goal by berating and generalizing atheists?

This isn't an athiest bashing thread. Read the post before you comment.
Really??? Because after reading your first post I was under the distinct impression this thread would be for people to voice their displeasures with athiests.

I'm rather curious why athiests here have the incredable compultion to convert everyone on the board.

I've seen some really hurtfull posts on the subject clogging the forums. Usually, I just tell people to look away when something offends them, but when half of the posts on the forum are about the same thing, it's hard to look away.
You don't have to read it if you don't want to. There is a little invention called the ignore button that is supposed to be really wonderful.

Why can't you just leave believers alone? Is there something that so threatens you about religion? Are you, perhaps, jealous that someone can believe in something more important than themselves while you can not?

The way I see it, it's either that or you're just jerks. Take your pick.
Hmm so athiests are either jealous or pricks. So this isnt bashing????

Reguardless, religion is a deeply personal thing, and niether side should be trying to convert the other. If you want me to try to convince you of my beliefs, then I'll tell you. If you don't, go your own way my friend, because we'll all meet up again on judgement day.
So smug oh so smug. You better pray its your version of judgement day because come ragnarok your going to have some problems.

So this is a plea to all of you... And the ultra-religious as well, because it wasn't long ago you were the same way. Please leave each other alone and get back to senseless Bush bashing or something.

Thank You.
You know if you wanted to make a clear and concise thread on how both sides can stop argueing and work togehter I'm sure there were better ways then calling athiests jealous or pricks.

What shocks most people is that after I've told them of my absolute loathing of Christianity in all of it's evil tainted forms is that I am a Zen Buddhist.

At first you'd say hypocrite right?

WRONG!

Because I am speaking out agianst a tainted and corrupt spirituality which was designed to exploit humanities greatest hopes for the benifit of the chosen few. Of course the same could be said of Some forms of Buddhism with some schools Emphasis on Monks over the average person who seeks enlightenment but still has to make their way in this world but that's why I'm a solitary practisioner.

And unlike Christ, the Buddha never claimed to be God to back up his teachings. Or had to use hate to enforce belief.

Atheists do not convert people, they just smash idols. Atheism is quite complex (as the individual Atheist holds himself as the moral center of the universe).

There are for example Absurdists, Darwinist, Existentialists, Humanists, Egoists, Empiricists, Rationalists, est. (each with a different why of viewing/reacting to the universe). There are people who combine philosopichal schools.

I'm rather curious why athiests here have the incredable compultion to convert everyone on the board.

I've seen some really hurtfull posts on the subject clogging the forums. Usually, I just tell people to look away when something offends them, but when half of the posts on the forum are about the same thing, it's hard to look away.

Some atheists. I'm an atheist and I don't want to "convert" :rolleyes: nobody.


Why can't you just leave believers alone? Is there something that so threatens you about religion? Are you, perhaps, jealous that someone can believe in something more important than themselves while you can not?

The way I see it, it's either that or you're just jerks. Take your pick

I'm sure most atheists are don't feel threatened by religion (as long as they live in a democratic country...). Apparently you're the one who's feeling threatened by the fact that others are questioning your own beliefs...


Reguardless, religion is a deeply personal thing, and niether side should be trying to convert the other. If you want me to try to convince you of my beliefs, then I'll tell you. If you don't, go your own way my friend, because we'll all meet up again on judgement day.

So this is a plea to all of you... And the ultra-religious as well, because it wasn't long ago you were the same way. Please leave each other alone and get back to senseless Bush bashing or something.

Thank You.

OK, so it's wrong to try to convert the other. But I don't see what's wrong with some debating. Religion and belief shouldn't be taboo.

I'd be lying if I said I took more than a blind bit of notice of most of the nonsense I read here.
Good for a few laughs though.

You know, the funny thing is is that one could say the exact same thing about any religion. Sure, one athiest tries to convert you, it seems your logic means that all athiests are bad. So lets say one catholic decides to do something, are you going to say that all catholics are bad? Are all of the Islams bad as well because, you know, there are some that actually kill people! God forbid! They must all be horrible! One Buddhist is bad, all Buddhists are bad.
Vunderbar. Hehe, going to bash LaVey Satanists next? You know, one of us might not agree with someone, so we're all bad too, eh? Now, I myself am not against religions. I laugh at people who bash religions, but I laugh even harder at people whom bash religion bashers. Thanks for the laugh. ;)

all the great religions throughout history have gained the majority of their followers through subjugation or conversion

it seems that atheism is merely joining that prestigious group

all the great religions throughout history have gained the majority of their followers through subjugation or conversion

it seems that atheism is merely joining that prestigious group

With the exception that no atheists are subjugating or converting anyone, and atheism is not a religion, nor does it have "followers."

But other than that you're absolutely right. :rolleyes:

May I remind you that there never were forced conversions to atheism, nor were there tortures to people who weren't atheist. Also no atheist has a big boog in which the second half has a gut effectively threatening you to live by his rules or his father will spank you.

I'm an agnost though, not an atheist, I'm not convinced of God's existence nor am I convinced of his inestistence. But I can objectively say that the evidence opposing the theory of God exceed that aiding it by far.

I believe Jesus existed though, but he wasn't the son of God, glad he wasn't anyway, would've costed me 2000 years of exces allimentation.

there is a serious lack of recognizing trolls in religious threads. you cant appeal to trolls. making people mad is the purpose of their posts.

there are many people who post calm and thoughtful posts in religious threads. too many people are unable to ignore trolls long enough to respond to those who want a real discussion.

One must be able to endure that not everyone likes the people or beings for this matter that they idolize.

I can't stand it if people get mad if you talk about their friends in a degrading matter, or their musical idols. Not everyone likes the people that you like, accept that. Why would God be any different. Blasphemy is a form of critism.

So why do you believe there is no god?

So why do you believe there is no god?

Let me play the role of an Atheist and ask you "Why do you think there IS a God?"

Look, I see nothing wrong with debate, but this isn't debate. This is just God-bashing. Bash my president and I can look away, but I get upset when people bash my inner-most beliefs.

If you want examples (since some of you are posting that this doesn't happen), there's several God-bashing threads on the front page now, including a thread on how we should abandon religion because of the old meanings of the word 'God.' There's another about how it is the enemy of Western Civilization. I could go on, but it would be easier if you just looked at the first page.

And this isn't an athiest-bashing, it's jerk-bashing. If you don't fit into the above catagory, then it wasn't meant for you.

Any person aware of itself being human should be able to realise that it understands too little to make statements about wether of not something that operates above the laws of physics can exist.

Luckally I'm narcistic enough apearantly to say that we -or at least myself- don't believe God exists because the current model of science removes the need for a God to exist, then you could say? But it doesn't exclude it right? True, but if all the things that science doesn't exclude exist their would exist a lot, the chance that a random thing that science doesn't exclude exists is very slim.

Reminds me, does anyone know if the existence of tachyons has yet been determined?

Of course, all of you are wrong, as usual. We all know that us Pastafarians are right.

All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/).

I'm rather curious why athiests here have the incredable compultion to convert everyone on the board.

It's funny. You're not the first to observe this, yet it's so exceedingly rare. One thread calling Christianity a "death-cult" hardly warrnets that kind of conclusion, especially when you read through some of the perversions & nonsensical hatred the Christian fundies spew. Chances are there'd be no talk about religion on here, if fundies didn't continually try to force their ideologies on us all.

I've seen some really hurtfull posts on the subject clogging the forums. Usually, I just tell people to look away when something offends them, but when half of the posts on the forum are about the same thing, it's hard to look away.

Try having a science debate with a fundamentalist - one they initiate. Or try talking about equal rights with one. You'll either laugh, get angry as hell or both. Trolls do provoke reactions. Otherwise they wouldn't bother.


Why can't you just leave believers alone? Is there something that so threatens you about religion? Are you, perhaps, jealous that someone can believe in something more important than themselves while you can not?

The way I see it, it's either that or you're just jerks. Take your pick.

And right here you manage to say that you believers are better off than us non-believers. The only reasons you can imagine an atheist might have for bashing religion (read: Christianity), is jealousy or impotence. Or that we're just plain idiots.

How about I conclude you're no better than the people you complain about? You do the exact same thing. So what are you? Jealous that we are capable of taking responsibility for our own existence? Mad that we don't give a toss about your imaginary friend? Or is it that you're just a jerk?

Reguardless, religion is a deeply personal thing, and niether side should be trying to convert the other. If you want me to try to convince you of my beliefs, then I'll tell you. If you don't, go your own way my friend, because we'll all meet up again on judgement day.

I want you to shut up & go away troll. I'm sick & fucking tired of smug holier-than-thou's telling me how we'll meet on judgement day. We won't. It's all in your mind. You're delusional. Look up schizophrenia in the dictionary, there'll be a picture of you right there.


So this is a plea to all of you... And the ultra-religious as well, because it wasn't long ago you were the same way. Please leave each other alone and get back to senseless Bush bashing or something.

Thank You.

If you're still reading this, please note that all the above comments were mostly made in jest. I don't care what your religion is or if you even have one. Obviously you're a Christian, and if that makes you happy, then it's all good. I only wrote all the above to demonstrate that your post isn't very openminded or diplomatic at all.

With all the anti-Christian threads on the boards today, I can appreciate what provoked your broardside against atheism.. Just realize you're doing nothing to alleviate the situation mate. Aggro spawns aggro. You're a brilliant example of it.

To me, fundamentalist Christians are every bit as deranged, insane & dangerous as their Muslim counterparts. It appears their goals are exactly the same as well: world domination.

I have never ever seen any atheists behave in an even remotely similar fashion, so I think you're unfair if that's what you mean (to me, you seem to imply it).

All that said, I'm an atheist. I always will be. But that doesn't mean I have any overwhelming problems with religions. Fundamentalists should be hospitalized, no doubt about it. But I don't really give a fuck about the non-extremists. Hell, noone can disprove divinity, right? So why bother with it.

I like to follow the religious debates on here, and I have learned a lot of how people veiw their world by doing it. I try not to be overly antagonistic or preach my own point of veiw in such debates, but when fundies attack peoples rights, try to pervert science or molest public education, I get angry. It's simply self-defence on my part.

Look, I see nothing wrong with debate, but this isn't debate. This is just God-bashing.

I thought it was atheists trying to "convert" people.

Now it's God bashing, well. I'm not sure if you know this, but God isn't offended, nor does he need you to be his defender on an online forum. God's a big boy, I rather think he can handle it... and I think you just might be able to, too.

If you want examples (since some of you are posting that this doesn't happen), there's several God-bashing threads on the front page now, including a thread on how we should abandon religion because of the old meanings of the word 'God.' There's another about how it is the enemy of Western Civilization. I could go on, but it would be easier if you just looked at the first page.

Pfah. Not a single example of atheists trying to convert anyone. Statistically it is more likely they are religious folks of some kind. Why bug on atheists? There are really very few of 'em. And you'll notice it wasn't atheists that piloted those planes into those towers a few years back. Hmm, maybe "religion" is not the best thing for the world? Maybe. Sounds like a point for debate to me... but not an excuse to generalize about all atheists.

Maybe you don't intend to do that, but you have.

Here is my explanation:

Sometime along the line something bad happened to them causing them to think that if the Christian God exists that God must be bad. This person then proceeded to tell a Christian this. This made the Christian mad and he decided all atheists are jerks and treated them this way. Those athesits, which were probably mostly decent people decided that all Christians must be jerks and went around treating them as so.

Or

Sometime along the line a Christian missinturpreted doctrine and thought he was better then atheists because he was going to heaven and they were going to hell. He started to act superior. The atheists that met him assumed that all Christians were jerks. The cycle continues.

or

One person doesn't understand how the other person could believe in something like evolution so he calls that person an idiot. So the person who was called an idiot thinks all creationists are jerks/dumb. Etc. etc.

I think all these senarios have occured numerous times. Most people posting the hate threads have recieved hatred from the other side. Show some compassion and understanding for once. Many of them aren't just trying to make you mad, but actually believe what they are saying. And many of them have no reason not to because every Christian (or atheist depending on what thread you are refering to) they have met has treated them badly. If you can't do that just ignore them.

In all fairness, God has done some things that aren't really 'good' in my point of view.

"Hey, I'm God, I'm the first thing that ever existed, I can do anything I want, know everything, think of everything. And there is nothing that can't do all those things.. you know what I will do? I will make tiny little creatures that can't do all those things that are so normaly to me and I will make them believe that that is in fact normal and there actually don't think enough to realise that it's normal to be able to do anything and that they are in fact very handicapted beings I created.

And I say to them that they must love and worship me and live by my personal rules or I'll turn up the central heating a bit."

Got to love him don't you think?

Here is my explanation:

Sometime along the line something bad happened to them causing them to think that if the Christian God exists that God must be bad. This person then proceeded to tell a Christian this. This made the Christian mad and he decided all atheists are jerks and treated them this way. Those athesits, which were probably mostly decent people decided that all Christians must be jerks and went around treating them as so.

Or

Sometime along the line a Christian missinturpreted doctrine and thought he was better then atheists because he was going to heaven and they were going to hell. He started to act superior. The atheists that met him assumed that all Christians were jerks. The cycle continues.

or

One person doesn't understand how the other person could believe in something like evolution so he calls that person an idiot. So the person who was called an idiot thinks all creationists are jerks/dumb. Etc. etc.

I think all these senarios have occured numerous times. Most people posting the hate threads have recieved hatred from the other side. Show some compassion and understanding for once. Many of them aren't just trying to make you mad, but actually believe what they are saying. And many of them have no reason not to because every Christian (or atheist depending on what thread you are refering to) they have met has treated them badly. If you can't do that just ignore them.

Or perhaps you're grasping at straws. :rolleyes:

Have you ever considered that no Atheist has never been a jerk to any Christian that didn't act like a jerk to them in the first place? It's kind of unnecessary to try to find a complicated explanation to something. Perhaps this: some Christians are pigheads and the reason Atheists do this to the pigheads is because they are pigheads. I know I act civil to Theists.

I'm rather curious why athiests here have the incredable compulsion to convert everyone on the board.

Thank You.
OMG! I feel so, like ... threatened! :eek:

Hehe...no atheist has ever initiated hostility with a theist, eh? Nice theory :p

I think the problem has two parts:

(In my experience,)

1. A lot of atheists feel infinitely superior because they rely on themselves, and are absolute pricks to anyone who disagrees with them. Liberal atheists, I've noticed, also tend to connect religion and ideology far too closely, and assume that any given Christian voted for Bush and supports the Iraq War, etc.

2. On the other hand, a lot of theists, Christians and Muslims in particular, disregard social rules in order to proseletize. Also, some religious communities hold very tightly to vicious stereotypes, which almost invariably elicit angry responses from others.

Or perhaps you're grasping at straws. :rolleyes:
<Snip>
I know I act civil to Theists.
Agreed. When was the last time General got swamped with threads by atheists against Muslims, Buddhists or whatever?

Maybe, just maybe, the real problem isn't antagonistic/evangelical atheists (yea, yea.. Oxymoron from hell, but what would it be called?).

So you felt it appropriate to make an athiest bashing thread. Brilliant. :rolleyes:


I'm confused... :confused: Can you show me where the Athiest bashing was? I though he was being rather polite, and as you can see at the end of his post he adressed the uber-religious fundies as well. Can you show me where it was bashing? Because if that of all things is bashing, I shudder to think what I'm guilty of.
Thank you!

I'm confused... :confused: Can you show me where the Athiest bashing was? I though he was being rather polite, and as you can see at the end of his post he adressed the uber-religious fundies as well. Can you show me where it was bashing? Because if that of all things is bashing, I shudder to think what I'm guilty of.
Thank you!

You don't have to wait for his answer, I can do it:

"Are you, perhaps, jealous that someone can believe in something more important than themselves while you can not?

The way I see it, it's either that or you're just jerks. Take your pick."
<Snip>
"If you don't, go your own way my friend, because we'll all meet up again on judgement day."

And then there's the implication that atheists are as violently deranged as the fundamentalists...

But you could just read this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9747412&postcount=33).

Anyhow, each topic has its day on NS before another comes along and takes its place as the chief topic of discussion....right now it happens to be religion.
I was on these forums two years ago quite a bit...and the discussion was religion. It doesn't go away.

"If you don't, go your own way my friend, because we'll all meet up again on judgement day."

And then there's the implication that atheists are as violently deranged as the fundamentalists...


Actually, I felt that was a rather polite way of handling religious differences. Whoever is right, we'll find out on judgement day, so go the way you believe.

Actually, I felt that was a rather polite way of handling religious differences. Whoever is right, we'll find out on judgement day, so go the way you believe.
In that case, I guess you're - at least - partially right. We'll see when we die.

I misjudged your intentions because of the judgementday thing. To me, it seemed like just another guy waiting for that moment when the good Christians can stand on the right side of God & go "Nah nah nah nah!", while the obnoxious atheists are dragged off screaming, by foul deamons...

So sorry about that. Blame it on past experiences with people like NR. I wasn't certain your thread was meant as veiled attack on the heathens or if it was genuine. I now feel confident it's the latter. So on behalf of the more aggressive atheists, here's an apology from me. Forum aggro is retarded.

Of course, all of you are wrong, as usual. We all know that us Pastafarians are right.

All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/).

I think the Spaghetti Monster might becoem the Godwin's Law of religious threads.

"As an online discussion on religion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving His Noodly Savior or Pastafarians approaches 1.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7971/85310tr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The vast majority of people are buffoons. Whether Atheist, Christian or Scientologist, most have some agenda that they would force on others if they could. It is one of the reasons that my faith in democracy is failing.
This is why all agnostics kick ass.

You don't have to wait for his answer, I can do it:

"Are you, perhaps, jealous that someone can believe in something more important than themselves while you can not?

The way I see it, it's either that or you're just jerks. Take your pick."
<Snip>
"If you don't, go your own way my friend, because we'll all meet up again on judgement day."

And then there's the implication that atheists are as violently deranged as the fundamentalists...

But you could just read this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9747412&postcount=33).

I don't really consider that bashing. I think it would be bashing if he went on a religious rant about how "all worthless heathens are going to helllllll blah blah!!11"
As for the first "jerks" point, I think that's directed at Athiest (or ANY religion) who decides that for some reason they are going to try to force their ideals on others. I think anyone whould agree that they ARE indeed jerks. I doubt the OP meant ALL athiest. It's just easier to say "<insert group>" than to say "SOME <inser group>" alough I can see how it can come off an generalizing, but I didn't get that vibe from what he was saying.
Second point I think is more of a "who cares, we can see who is right when we die" sort of chill attitude about it. We have no way of knowing now so why bother.

Of course, he could have very well been bashing Athiests, but that wasn't really the vibe I got from his post. Just my opinion of course. Thanks for responding though. :)

I'm rather curious why athiests here have the incredable compultion to convert everyone on the board.
They don't.

I'm rather curious why you felt the need to lie.

Something inherent in religion that is threatening to me is the resistance to knowledge. Anything that advocates the denial of reality is not right.

Something inherent in religion that is threatening to me is the resistance to knowledge. Anything that advocates the denial of reality is not right.

Denial of reality? Resistance to knowledge? What religions go in for that? O.o

I was on these forums two years ago quite a bit...and the discussion was religion. It doesn't go away.
Yea it does, it goes in cycles. threads about homosexuality, threads about general politics, threads about Bush, threads about the US, "Why does everyone hate the US?" threads, evolution threads, and then back round to religion.

Just because some religious nut brings up their religion in nearly every one of those threads, usually when it is of little or no relevance, it doesn't mean that they are about religion.

I'm rather curious why athiests here have the incredable compultion to convert everyone on the board.

I've seen some really hurtfull posts on the subject clogging the forums. Usually, I just tell people to look away when something offends them, but when half of the posts on the forum are about the same thing, it's hard to look away.

Why can't you just leave believers alone? Is there something that so threatens you about religion? Are you, perhaps, jealous that someone can believe in something more important than themselves while you can not?

The way I see it, it's either that or you're just jerks. Take your pick.

Reguardless, religion is a deeply personal thing, and niether side should be trying to convert the other. If you want me to try to convince you of my beliefs, then I'll tell you. If you don't, go your own way my friend, because we'll all meet up again on judgement day.

So this is a plea to all of you... And the ultra-religious as well, because it wasn't long ago you were the same way. Please leave each other alone and get back to senseless Bush bashing or something.

Thank You.


To quote Firewater:

"Get off the cross, we need the wood for the fire,"

This is why all agnostics kick ass.
we so do, don't we!? ah yeah.. God loves us agnostics!! you know it too.. that's why we were given free will! we're smart! much smarter than you! FEAR US!