NationStates Jolt Archive


A better way to measure the success of a nation??

Eutrusca
04-10-2005, 21:40
COMMENTARY: This sounds like a great idea to me. Why focus entirely, or even mostly, on money to determine what makes a nation great? Three cheers for Bhutan! :)


A New Measure of Well-Being
From a Happy Little Kingdom (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/04/science/04happ.html?th&emc=th)


By ANDREW C. REVKIN
Published: October 4, 2005

In 1972, concerned about the problems afflicting other developing countries that focused only on economic growth, Bhutan's newly crowned leader, King Jigme Singye Wangchuck, decided to make his nation's priority not its G.D.P. but its G.N.H., or gross national happiness.

Bhutan, the king said, needed to ensure that prosperity was shared across society and that it was balanced against preserving cultural traditions, protecting the environment and maintaining a responsive government. The king, now 49, has been instituting policies aimed at accomplishing these goals.

Now Bhutan's example, while still a work in progress, is serving as a catalyst for far broader discussions of national well-being.

Around the world, a growing number of economists, social scientists, corporate leaders and bureaucrats are trying to develop measurements that take into account not just the flow of money but also access to health care, free time with family, conservation of natural resources and other noneconomic factors.

The goal, according to many involved in this effort, is in part to return to a richer definition of the word happiness, more like what the signers of the Declaration of Independence had in mind when they included "the pursuit of happiness" as an inalienable right equal to liberty and life itself.

The founding fathers, said John Ralston Saul, a Canadian political philosopher, defined happiness as a balance of individual and community interests. "The Enlightenment theory of happiness was an expression of public good or the public welfare, of the contentment of the people," Mr. Saul said. And, he added, this could not be further from "the 20th-century idea that you should smile because you're at Disneyland."

Mr. Saul was one of about 400 people from more than a dozen countries who gathered recently to consider new ways to define and assess prosperity.

The meeting, held at St. Francis Xavier University in northern Nova Scotia, was a mix of soft ideals and hard-nosed number crunching. Many participants insisted that the focus on commerce and consumption that dominated the 20th century need not be the norm in the 21st century.

Among the attendees were three dozen representatives from Bhutan - teachers, monks, government officials and others - who came to promote what the Switzerland-size country has learned about building a fulfilled, contented society.

While household incomes in Bhutan remain among the world's lowest, life expectancy increased by 19 years from 1984 to 1998, jumping to 66 years. The country, which is preparing to shift to a constitution and an elected government, requires that at least 60 percent of its lands remain forested, welcomes a limited stream of wealthy tourists and exports hydropower to India.

"We have to think of human well-being in broader terms," said Lyonpo Jigmi Thinley, Bhutan's home minister and ex-prime minister. "Material well-being is only one component. That doesn't ensure that you're at peace with your environment and in harmony with each other."

It is a concept grounded in Buddhist doctrine, and even a decade ago it might have been dismissed by most economists and international policy experts as naïve idealism.

Indeed, America's brief flirtation with a similar concept, encapsulated in E. F. Schumacher's 1973 bestseller "Small Is Beautiful: Economics as if People Mattered," ended abruptly with the huge and continuing burst of consumer-driven economic growth that exploded first in industrialized countries and has been spreading in fast-growing developing countries like China.

Yet many experts say it was this very explosion of affluence that eventually led social scientists to realize that economic growth is not always synonymous with progress.

[ This article is four pages long. To read the remainder of the article, go here (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/04/science/04happ.html?pagewanted=2&th&emc=th) ]
Ifreann
04-10-2005, 21:43
Nice,it's about time we moved away from money=happiness.good old buddhists(i think the main religion in bhutan is buddhism,feel free to correct me)
Chikyota
04-10-2005, 21:48
I've always been fascinated with Bhutan. It is a strange country, one that is swimming against the current but somehow doing well enough despite that.
Eutrusca
04-10-2005, 21:50
Nice,it's about time we moved away from money=happiness.good old buddhists(i think the main religion in bhutan is buddhism,feel free to correct me)
Yep. Good religion for inner peace. :)
Nietzsche Heretics
04-10-2005, 21:50
@ifreann: in fact it's mahayana, what si somehting of a different kind of buddhism.. but yeah, buddhism still.
Eutrusca
04-10-2005, 21:51
I've always been fascinated with Bhutan. It is a strange country, one that is swimming against the current but somehow doing well enough despite that.
Their young King fascinates me. He seems to be on top of things quite well. :)
Ifreann
04-10-2005, 21:51
Yep. Good religion for inner peace. :)
And lets face it,if we were all buddhists all problems associated with poverty would cease to exist.people would still be poor,but they wouldn't really care
Kiwi-kiwi
04-10-2005, 21:58
First of all I am going to say that I am rather stunned that something actually happened in my province. :D

Second, I have to say that it's a good idea to start evalutating the success of a country on something other than material wealth...
Beer and Guns
04-10-2005, 22:54
And here all this time I thought a Bhutan was a hooker .. :p
Syniks
04-10-2005, 23:41
Nice Idea, but a only 47,000 sqmi (only half the size of Indiana) I'm not sure it wouldn't be more appropriate to call Bhutan a large commune... :p
Sonaj
05-10-2005, 16:16
@ifreann: in fact it's mahayana, what si somehting of a different kind of buddhism.. but yeah, buddhism still.
Buddhism is divided in three (basicaly): Mahayana, theravada and vayrajana. A bit like the catholic, protestant and orthodox churches of christianity.
The South Islands
05-10-2005, 16:18
Bhutan is a nice nation. I plan to eventually go there.

Great Treking.
Syniks
05-10-2005, 16:26
Bhutan is a nice nation. I plan to eventually go there.

Great Treking.
Be aware though that they put a cap on tourists. Only 9,000/yr allowed.
Eutrusca
05-10-2005, 17:08
And lets face it,if we were all buddhists all problems associated with poverty would cease to exist.people would still be poor,but they wouldn't really care
"Poor" is a state of mind. By almost any Western standard, I am "poor," but I don't see myself as such. I choose to be happy regardless of circumstances.
Eutrusca
05-10-2005, 17:09
Be aware though that they put a cap on tourists. Only 9,000/yr allowed.
Good for them!!! :D
Eutrusca
05-10-2005, 17:10
I have to say that it's a good idea to start evalutating the success of a country on something other than material wealth...
Exactly!
The odd one
05-10-2005, 17:16
wow before now all i knew about Bhutan was that their flag kicks ass! sounds to me like they're on the right track. the rest of the world should take an example from this.
Lankuria
05-10-2005, 18:08
One of the most reassuring articles which I have read for a long time. After hearing so much doom and disaster around here, its great to hear of somewhere where happiness doesn't equate to size of bank account.

Go Bhutan! :)
Pure Metal
05-10-2005, 18:19
Nice,it's about time we moved away from money=happiness.
damn straight. what good is money when you're dead miserable and working all the time.

and what good is money when you spend it straight away on consumer items because you've been told all your life that 'they make you happy' :mad:


boo consumerism! bring on the happiness revolution!

Many nations' material standard of living is now higher than ever. Production of material things has skyrocketed – but is still a way behind consumption, and further still behind demand. Does consumerism make people happier? (http://www.altruists.org/ideas/society/consumerism/)

The World Health Organisation ... declares that [Depression] is the leading cause of disability, worldwide, and by 2020 it will be the second most important disease worldwide. (http://www.altruists.org/ideas/psychology/depression/)