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Okay, so I was talking with some people over top colleges we wanna go to. I bring up BC and a Democrat I know raises her whiny voice and says, "Ugh, too Catholic."

So at first I think she's being just a religion-bashing douche, when she then goes on to say this:
BC = Jesuit run
Jesuit = Catholic
Catholic = Republican
Republican = Evil
Connect the dots. So by the time this is over I'm thinking to myself, WTF is wrong with her? I was resisting the urge to bash the whole Republicrat system but that was for another day...

Oy vey, how do you put up with her?

I would be hesitant towards going to a school that has a religious affiliation.

I would be hesitant towards going to a school that has a religious affiliation.
Oh for (excuse the pun) Christ's sake, all coz a school is run by a certain religious order doesn't necessarily compromise it being secular...

Oy vey, how do you put up with her?
i second that opinion

I always thought Catholics were pretty moderate or even a tad liberal compared to the average American...therefore, the judgment doesn't make a lick of sense. I suppose some people are that dumb, but rest assured most people are not.

First of all, yes, your friend is probably ignorant. Just from the way she made the comment, she's too judgmental.

Having said that, I'd never go to a school with any religious affiliation. And yes, it is beneficial to choose a school with varied viewpoints. A mostly-catholic-republican school would be a terrible decision for an environmentalist liberal. Just like a super-religious person would never go to Reed College (the most pot-smoking-liberal school in the States). So, in that respect, your friend is absolutely correct. She should find a place that's right for her, and making generalisations about the viewpoints of students is, sadly, a good way to go.

That's why I go to public school... (Bitch!)

I don't even understand what happened there.

My school was originally a baptist school, there's still a church on campus, but it doesn't affect anything academically.

Of course there are like 30 christian clubs on campus and no atheist/agnostic ones. I plan on changing that next year.

I thought Kennedy and Kerry were both Catholic.
Does this make them Republicans to boot?

Sheesh, how about a little tolerance? You don't need to go out and say something as rediculously stupid as "douche". Find a med student -- they'll explain it to you.
You were being overjudgemental yourself. Granted, the jump is a little illogical, but you heard that remark and make an equally hasty jump in logic.

Okay, so I was talking with some people over top colleges we wanna go to. I bring up BC and a Democrat I know raises her whiny voice and says, "Ugh, too Catholic."

So at first I think she's being just a religion-bashing douche, when she then goes on to say this:
BC = Jesuit run
Jesuit = Catholic
Catholic = Republican
Republican = Evil
Connect the dots. So by the time this is over I'm thinking to myself, WTF is wrong with her? I was resisting the urge to bash the whole Republicrat system but that was for another day...

They are not really dumb. They are indoctrinated.

having gone to a primarily baptist school (baylor u), i met a lot of Protestants, and felt a little like a pariah for being Catholic. they seemed amazed at my (seemingly) 'liberal' views, and seemed intolerant to my opinions. through all this, i would answer politely and correctly, without showing any animosity. apparently, that got a bigger rise than if i had called them klanners or something. though, i did make basketball jokes, so maybe that did it :)

99% of all people you meet are dumber than you.
1% of those people are actually that dumb.

That doesn't make any sense. Catholics aren't even in the WASP system...since they are not, well...protestants. That's what one of the initials is for crying out loud! And the point about Kennedy is a good one. All the republicans thought he was going to make the U.S. a sattelite of the R.C.C. Your friend is quite mad.

Okay, so I was talking with some people over top colleges we wanna go to. I bring up BC and a Democrat I know raises her whiny voice and says, "Ugh, too Catholic."

So at first I think she's being just a religion-bashing douche, when she then goes on to say this:
BC = Jesuit run
Jesuit = Catholic
Catholic = Republican
Republican = Evil
Connect the dots. So by the time this is over I'm thinking to myself, WTF is wrong with her? I was resisting the urge to bash the whole Republicrat system but that was for another day...
Didn't Kerry get his law degree from BC? Besides, there's a hell of a difference between a traditional Catholic college and a Jesuit one. The Jesuits are known for their rigorous intellectual stands on issues, and have a long academic tradition. Hell, I'm not even religious and I'd go to a Jesuit university.

Okay, so I was talking with some people over top colleges we wanna go to. I bring up BC and a Democrat I know raises her whiny voice and says, "Ugh, too Catholic."

So at first I think she's being just a religion-bashing douche, when she then goes on to say this:
BC = Jesuit run
Jesuit = Catholic
Catholic = Republican
Republican = Evil
Connect the dots. So by the time this is over I'm thinking to myself, WTF is wrong with her? I was resisting the urge to bash the whole Republicrat system but that was for another day...

Most Catholics I know are Democrats... [rolls eyes]. This girl is clearly not thinking too deeply, ha ha.

I dont think there are very many universities whose professors are homogenous in the way they think. Most universities have a great deal of variety. However, assuming there were such homogenous universities, it would be far more beneficial to attend one where most people disagree with you than one where everyone thinks the same way as you. If no one is going to challenge your view point how will you ever grow? Some of the best college professors are the ones who challenge you to defend your views.

I thought Kennedy and Kerry were both Catholic.
Does this make them Republicans to boot?
LOL!

I went to a Catholic school for half my life, and many Catholics are divided politically and there is no good way sterotype them, like anyone. So, your friend that said, "Ugh! Catholic, ew!" is completely biast. While there may be a few less secular Catholics at BC, there should be a fairly decent mix to not make you too insaine!

In my opinion, a school with a religious affiliation is a downside only if an employer goes, "Ugh! Catholic!" as well. I, myself, am Lutheran, not Catholic, so I know how it would feel if a person is of a different (albet slightly) belief system, where there are multiple scuffles on things. I almost had an Inquisition on me once, I accidently took communion! :D

EDIT: All the Catholics I know don't listen to the Pope, unlike some people think. The Pope does not pwn Catholics, just what its teaching is. I dunno if that helps with this at all!

I'm sure someone as intelligent as your friend there couldn't get into BC even if she wanted to.

Im sure BC is a fine school, but I myself prefer to keep my Jesus, seperate from my education, if yanno what I mean.
Even If was a Christian, I would still prefer not to attend a school run by any religious organization.

School is for learning.

Church is for learning about Jesus.

As for your friends preconceptions, I would say that she wasnt completely off the mark.
It seems to me any religion that denounces the use of birth control, is fairly conservative, would you?

So, if every Catholic could be lumped into a stereotypical lump, and there were no variance in different personalites, your slightly confused friend is right on the mark.

I dont think there are very many universities whose professors are homogenous in the way they think. Most universities have a great deal of variety. However, assuming there were such homogenous universities, it would be far more beneficial to attend one where most people disagree with you than one where everyone thinks the same way as you. If no one is going to challenge your view point how will you ever grow? Some of the best college professors are the ones who challenge you to defend your views.

You know, this has to be one of the most true statements I have read on these forums.... And something I myself have noticed, but never put into much in the way of words....

It is very common now-a-days for everyone to clump themselves ideologically, confine themselves to views they themselves hold, and ignore anything outside of their "box". (This isn't just a Republ-o-crat thing either... but exists across much of the ideological lines in all disciplines....)..

I can see it, especially in my own religious sence of comming to faith. As I was developming my own unique religious views, I exposed myself, debated with, and gleened from 7th-Day Adventists, Reformed Baptists, Primitive Baptists, Southern Baptists, Independent Baptists, Puritans, Quakers(Brethren), Pentecostals, Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Jews of all sorts, Sunni Muslims, a couple of Nation of Islam types, Church of Christ (Campbellites), Word-Faithers, Charismatics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses.... And probably a few others I can't even remember about right now... Such an enviroment became a tool to allow my self-honing of my own beliefs and ideologies... Forcing me to better understand my views (and in many cases CHANGING my views)... And I think too few people realize the benefit of dissenting opinion in their own ideological growth, instead only wanting to be surrounded by others, like them, who will "scratch their ears", agreeing with them all the time while patting their back...

most Catholics I know, and I am one, vote straight Democratic, use Birth Control and still attend Mass regularly. It is a rather strange system that relies upon celibate males to proclaim the sexual mores for a planet, that said responsible sexuality is a plus.

I think people, even religious ones, are capable of making their own decisions about right and wrong and still accept the fundamental teachings of the Church. Ignore them when they're wrong, that is what I do with Liberals.

Sheesh, how about a little tolerance? You don't need to go out and say something as rediculously stupid as "douche". Find a med student -- they'll explain it to you.
You were being overjudgemental yourself. Granted, the jump is a little illogical, but you heard that remark and make an equally hasty jump in logic.
I suggest spelling ridiculously correctly if you are going to talk about ridiculously stupid

Oh for (excuse the pun) Christ's sake, all coz a school is run by a certain religious order doesn't necessarily compromise it being secular...

I went to a Jesuit school for a year when I first entered college. Beyond the fact that the education was completely lacking, I found that if you didn't have a rich dad or mom, and you didn't dress in preppy clothes, and you weren't religious openly while on the back side slipping Ruffies into girls drinks or blowing guys for "points"...then you weren't accepted as a peer and were generally shunned.

So I went to State college and got a better education, found people from diverse backgrounds that were more open and had a generally better time.

I'm not saying my experience is true of all religious colleges, but I have heard similar stories from people who went to various religious colleges.

Didn't Kerry get his law degree from BC? Besides, there's a hell of a difference between a traditional Catholic college and a Jesuit one. The Jesuits are known for their rigorous intellectual stands on issues, and have a long academic tradition. Hell, I'm not even religious and I'd go to a Jesuit university.

The Jesuits do, in fact, teach rigorous moral and intellectual logic. I should know, I had a Jesuit priest for a teacher. And a funny thing happened along the way: the moral logic that I was taught led me first to question, and ultimately reject, the official Catholic position on many issues. A Catholic education does not produce mindless zombies who can only repeat what they have been told.

It's also a fact that a strict observance of Catholic moral teaching does not look anything like the Republican party platform. Apart from the Church's views on abortion, women's rights, and sexuality in general, Catholicism is quite liberal. Not everything breaks down neatly along the US political divide (most things don't, actually.)

So Super-power can tell his friend to get a clue already.

:rolleyes:

Of course not all Christians are Republicans
just the bigots :P

The Jesuits do, in fact, teach rigorous moral and intellectual logic. I should know, I had a Jesuit priest for a teacher. And a funny thing happened along the way: the moral logic that I was taught led me first to question, and ultimately reject, the official Catholic position on many issues. A Catholic education does not produce mindless zombies who can only repeat what they have been told.

It's also a fact that a strict observance of Catholic moral teaching does not look anything like the Republican party platform. Apart from the Church's views on abortion, women's rights, and sexuality in general, Catholicism is quite liberal. Not everything breaks down neatly along the US political divide (most things don't, actually.)

So Super-power can tell his friend to get a clue already.

:rolleyes:

Correct... the "US Political Divide" is in reality the ranting of two opposing Vocal-Minority extremist views; with the bulk of reality falling inbetween...

I find it humorous when people seem to think Pat Robertson and the likes of Falwell represent the views of every single Christian (or indeed, even, every single Protestant) on the planet.... I might as well Claim that Stalin represented the views of every single Atheist or every single Socialist... It's an absurd leap of illogic...