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Why Diet Softdrinks Should be Avoided

Willamena
03-10-2005, 21:11
Here is an interesting article that I came across that suggests NutraSweet is harmful.
________________

Q: One of my friends strongly suggested that I stop drinking diet soda when I told her of some of my health problems. Is there really a possible connection between my diet soda and the nausea and headaches that I get?

A: Yes there is a very strong possibility of that, and more. For years I have been advising patients to not use products containing NutraSweet (a well known trade name for aspartame; it is also in Equal). At that time it was based on my own perception of this product as well as my testing of several patients.

That limited reference changed dramatically after I attended the 6 th Annual Scientific Symposium of Clinical Nutritionists. I had the opportunity to hear a presentation by Dr. H.M. Roberts, MD of the Palm Beach Institute for Medical Research. Dr. Roberts' topic reviewed the correlation of NutraSweet with many health problems including migraine headaches and multiple sclerosis symptoms. This presentation spurred me onto a research project which turned up more than enough information to back up my initial stand on this chemical product.

I'll give you a little background on this first. Aspartame was created in 1965 by Jim Schlatter, a chemist for the Searle company. He was working on the development of a drug for ulcers and discovered that it was sweet after accidentally licking his finger. That accidental discovery has led us to the current situation we have.

The main problem with this product stems from its ingredients and their breakdown products. The ingredients include methyl alcohol (also known as wood alcohol) which is a chemical that breaks down at many different temperatures into formaldehyde. Another ingredient breaks down into a substance known as DKP (diketopiperazine). Both are known neurological toxins that accumulate in the tissues of the body. Formaldehyde of course is used in embalming fluid and DKP is a brain tumor agent.

The FDA reviewed Searle's studies of this artificial sweetener in which rats were fed aspartame daily with their meals for one year. There were 12 brain tumors in the 320 rats that were fed aspartame and no brain tumors in the 120 rats that were not fed aspartame. As recently as August 6, 1997 a report by Dr. Jerome Bressler, an investigator for the FDA, has confirmed the aspartame link with brain tumors and the report adds breast, uterus, and ovarian tumors to the list of complications.

There was also a study done on rhesus monkeys at the University of Wisconsin. The monkeys were fed aspartame daily. After 200 days of a one year study the monkeys developed epileptic seizures. After the study ended, the aspartame was discontinued and the monkeys were watched closely for 60 days. The monkeys had no more seizures.

The Congressional record of May 7, 1985 includes 6 pages of objections by the National Soft Drink Association. The association recommended that aspartame NOT be approved for use by people in soda. Their recommendations were based on experiment results documenting the breakdown of aspartame into formaldehyde. Unfortunately after the use of aspartame was approved by the FDA, many soft drink manufacturers ignored their own association's recommendations. Diet soft drinks are one of, if not the major source of aspartame ingestion by over 100 million people in the United States alone.

A segment of the TV show "60 Minutes" which aired on December 12, 1996 reported on 164 studies done on aspartame. All of the 74 studies which were paid for by NutraSweet, showed that there were no problems. However 83 of the 90 studies that were done by independent labs found problems.

Mr. Arthur Hays was the commissioner of the FDA at the time of NutraSweet's approval for use. He approved this over the protests by his own Board of Inquiry. Mr. Hays then took a job as a consultant with NutraSweet's public relations firm while he was under investigation for accepting gratuities. Only a pay-off such as this makes sense when you look at the problems associated with this substance.

There is a list of known and FDA-acknowledged symptoms of aspartame poisoning. At one point in time the FDA stated that aspartame was the most complained about substance, comprising over 75% of their complaints on record. Although it can be tedious reading I'm including the list of symptoms here for your own use in detecting a possible link:

Symptoms: Abdominal pain, anxiety attacks, arthritis-like pain, asthmatic reactions, bloating, blood sugar control problems, brain cancer, breathing difficulties, burning eyes or throat, burning urination, chest pains, chronic cough, chronic fatigue, confusion, death, depression, diarrhea, dizziness, ear ringing, excessive thirst or hunger, fatigue, feel unreal, flushing of face, hair loss (baldness) or thinning of hair, headaches/migraines, hearing loss, heart palpitations, hives, high blood pressure, impotency and sexual problems, irritability, itching, joint pains, laryngitis, marked personality changes, memory loss, menstrual problems or changes, muscle spasms, nausea or vomiting, numbness or tingling of extremities, other allergic-like reactions, panic attacks, phobias, poor memory, rapid heart beat, rashes, seizures and convulsions, slurring of speech, swallowing pain, tremors, vertigo, vision loss, and weight gain.

There are also several diseases that aspartame poisoning can mimic, create and/or make worse:

Fibromyalgia, Arthritis, Multiple Sclerosis (MS), Parkinson's Disease, Lupus, Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (MCS), Diabetes and diabetic complications, Epilepsy, Alzheimer's disease, Birth defects, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Lymphoma, Lyme Disease, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Panic Disorder, Depression and other psychological Disorders.

Because this chemical can create so many varied symptoms, and the false image of NutraSweet as being pure and natural has been so effectively marketed, many physicians aren't alert to aspartame poisoning as the source of many of their patient's ills. This contributes to a tremendous increase in health costs as patients go from doctor to doctor trying to discover the truth as to what their problem is.

Unfortunately many people have switched from sugar to NutraSweet-containing products in their desire to avoid the negative affects or calories of sugar. Many foods and products made for and consumed by children contain NutraSweet. The last thing they need in their developing bodies and nervous systems is something that breaks down into formaldehyde. Many diabetics have begun using NutraSweet, unaware of the increased damage done to their pancreas and other vital organs by the NutraSweet and its breakdown products. And the people who drink a diet soda instead of having a healthy meal in their quest for weight loss increase the damage. On an empty stomach the conversion of aspartame into it's harmful breakdown products is accelerated and amplified.

There are many safer alternatives to refined sugar that have tested well in my office and have been used safely by many people. These include succanat, stevia, brown rice syrup, barley malt, maple syrup, honey and of course there is always good old-fashioned will power.

There is a grassroots movement of informed active people to get aspartame reclassified from its current status of "food additive" to "toxic drug". If you are an Internet user there is a lot of information to be had. One of the major sites is www.dorway.com. From there you can get into over 150 web pages on special topics related to aspartame.

As you can see, your friend was giving you some very valuable information. I recommend that you eliminate all aspartame-containing products. You may be shocked to find that you no longer have your current symptoms. This has happened with relatives of my patients after I recommended the trial abstinence period.

If your symptoms are still present after at least a one month elimination trial then you can follow up with a competent physician to determine the source of your symptoms. Either way, your body will be less toxic and on its way to being healthier.

Dr. Susan Player
http://www.drplayer.com/nutrasweet.htm
Alinania
03-10-2005, 21:17
... so you're saying... canned chemical drinks are bad ?? :p
Tactical Grace
03-10-2005, 21:18
Just how many litres of diet soft drinks does one have to drink every day, to get the symptoms described? Considering even a couple of cans of regular soft drinks a day are bad news thanks to the huge quantity of refined sugar they contain.
Secluded Islands
03-10-2005, 21:20
i dont drink softdrinks... :) a coke is only 1 step away from battery acid...
Dempublicents1
03-10-2005, 21:20
Aspartame also tastes rather metallic. That's why I'm glad that many of the soft drink manufacturers are moving to Splenda, which, to my knowledge, has no known adverse effects. There is a small amount of the population that it tastes awful to, but for most of us, it tastes like plain old sugar.
ProMonkians
03-10-2005, 21:20
Just how many litres of diet soft drinks does one have to drink every day, to get the symptoms described? Considering even a couple of cans of regular soft drinks a day are bad news thanks to the huge quantity of refined sugar they contain.

Somebody at work came off diet coke because of concerns about the formaldahyde thing, but I think you need to have a serious habit to before you should start worrying (he was 2+ litres a day!).
Willamena
03-10-2005, 21:21
... so you're saying... canned chemical drinks are bad ?? :p
*sips her Diet Canada Dry*

Yup...
Alinania
03-10-2005, 21:25
*sips her Diet Canada Dry*

Yup...
:eek: oh no!
I shall immediately throw away all the softdrinks I currently possess!
... oh wait... I don't have any. phew. :D
Letila
03-10-2005, 21:27
Damn, it seems just about every sweetener is harmful. What the hell are we supposed to sweeten things with?
Tactical Grace
03-10-2005, 21:31
Somebody at work came off diet coke because of concerns about the formaldahyde thing, but I think you need to have a serious habit to before you should start worrying (he was 2+ litres a day!).
Heh, I doubt I'm in any danger, then, I have one diet soft drink can every day or so, not that I give a damn about the 'diet' part, just that it's sugar-free. I will improve my chances of living in good health by paying more attention when I'm crossing the road rather than worrying about that, LOL.
ProMonkians
03-10-2005, 21:32
Damn, it seems just about every sweetener is harmful. What the hell are we supposed to sweeten things with?

I'm sweet enough already.
Willamena
03-10-2005, 21:34
Damn, it seems just about every sweetener is harmful. What the hell are we supposed to sweeten things with?
The article mentions some sweet alternatives to refined sugar: succanat, stevia, brown rice syrup, barley malt, maple syrup and honey.
Skyfork
03-10-2005, 21:37
I thought they used corn-syrup to sweeten things now? :confused:
Ashmoria
03-10-2005, 21:39
i get headaches if i drink too many nutrasweeten drinks. but i consider my level of usage to be far out of the norm.

i just cut back and i dont get headaches anymore.

considering that nutrasweet has been on the market for more than 20 years any truly bad things would be known already. just like those drugs that have been yanked off the market in recent years when their bad effects became obvious.

i hate splenda. it is my fear that all diet drinks are going to be switched over before too too long.
Kiwi-kiwi
03-10-2005, 21:40
The article mentions some sweet alternatives to refined sugar: succanat, stevia, brown rice syrup, barley malt, maple syrup and honey.

Maple syrup, eh? I'd imagine that would give pop a... unique taste.
The Black Forrest
03-10-2005, 21:40
Wow. That might be what is cause some of my headaches and stomach aches.

Will have to cut that out......

Thanks!
The Noble Men
03-10-2005, 21:43
Aspartame also tastes rather metallic. That's why I'm glad that many of the soft drink manufacturers are moving to Splenda, which, to my knowledge, has no known adverse effects. There is a small amount of the population that it tastes awful to, but for most of us, it tastes like plain old sugar.

I'm one of them. It's alright in tea, but on anything else...why does Jolt not have a :vomit: smilie? Cause that would be really handy right now. Instead we have the :gundge:. Idiots.

[\rant]
Kazyole
03-10-2005, 21:47
Plus, Diet tastes terrible anyway. That funny little aftertaste kills it for me. Regardless, its not like drinking a diet soda is going to help you lose weight or be more healthy in any significant manner anyway. Soda in general is bad for you anyway and if the consumer was really healthy conscious anyway they wouldnt be drinking it.
Smunkeeville
03-10-2005, 21:47
I avoid them because they taste crappy. now I have a better reason :D
The Noble Men
03-10-2005, 21:48
... so you're saying... canned chemical drinks are bad ?? :p

Duh.

Last time I drank a Pepsi, I actually clutched my heart in pain and threw my head on the table in pain. Tears were streaming out of my eyes! All I could do was ask for water in a whisper. So I done the only sensible thing: I finished the can because I had nothing else and no money to get something and I've never drank it since.
Alinania
03-10-2005, 21:49
Plus, Diet tastes terrible anyway. That funny little aftertaste kills it for me. Regardless, its not like drinking a diet soda is going to help you lose weight or be more healthy in any significant manner anyway.
And there go my hopes and dreams for a better future... :p
Fischer Land
03-10-2005, 21:51
I love Diet Pepsi, as well as other soft drinks. I don't understand other peoples problems with Aspartame, and apparently a lot of the problems that aspartame supposedly has are false:
http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp
Alinania
03-10-2005, 21:52
Duh.

Last time I drank a Pepsi, I actually clutched my heart in pain and threw my head on the table in pain. Tears were streaming out of my eyes! All I could do was ask for water in a whisper. So I done the only sensible thing: I finished the can because I had nothing else and no money to get something and I've never drank it since.
Haha! sounds like it was fun to watch :D
but...just because I'm curious like that... where else would you expect tears to stream out of??
Balipo
03-10-2005, 21:53
Here is an interesting article that I came across that suggests NutraSweet is harmful.
________________

Q: One of my friends strongly suggested that I stop drinking diet soda when I told her of some of my health problems. Is there really a possible connection between my diet soda and the nausea and headaches that I get?

A: Yes there is a very strong possibility of that, and more. For years I have been advising patients to not use products containing NutraSweet (a well known trade name for aspartame; it is also in Equal). At that time it was based on my own perception of this product as well as my testing of several patients.

That limited reference changed dramatically after I attended the 6 th Annual Scientific Symposium of Clinical Nutritionists. I had the opportunity to hear a presentation by Dr. H.M. Roberts, MD of the Palm Beach Institute for Medical Research. Dr. Roberts' topic reviewed the correlation of NutraSweet with many health problems including migraine headaches and multiple sclerosis symptoms. This presentation spurred me onto a research project which turned up more than enough information to back up my initial stand on this chemical product.

I'll give you a little background on this first. Aspartame was created in 1965 by Jim Schlatter, a chemist for the Searle company. He was working on the development of a drug for ulcers and discovered that it was sweet after accidentally licking his finger. That accidental discovery has led us to the current situation we have.

The main problem with this product stems from its ingredients and their breakdown products. The ingredients include methyl alcohol (also known as wood alcohol) which is a chemical that breaks down at many different temperatures into formaldehyde. Another ingredient breaks down into a substance known as DKP (diketopiperazine). Both are known neurological toxins that accumulate in the tissues of the body. Formaldehyde of course is used in embalming fluid and DKP is a brain tumor agent.

The FDA reviewed Searle's studies of this artificial sweetener in which rats were fed aspartame daily with their meals for one year. There were 12 brain tumors in the 320 rats that were fed aspartame and no brain tumors in the 120 rats that were not fed aspartame. As recently as August 6, 1997 a report by Dr. Jerome Bressler, an investigator for the FDA, has confirmed the aspartame link with brain tumors and the report adds breast, uterus, and ovarian tumors to the list of complications.

There was also a study done on rhesus monkeys at the University of Wisconsin. The monkeys were fed aspartame daily. After 200 days of a one year study the monkeys developed epileptic seizures. After the study ended, the aspartame was discontinued and the monkeys were watched closely for 60 days. The monkeys had no more seizures.

The Congressional record of May 7, 1985 includes 6 pages of objections by the National Soft Drink Association. The association recommended that aspartame NOT be approved for use by people in soda. Their recommendations were based on experiment results documenting the breakdown of aspartame into formaldehyde. Unfortunately after the use of aspartame was approved by the FDA, many soft drink manufacturers ignored their own association's recommendations. Diet soft drinks are one of, if not the major source of aspartame ingestion by over 100 million people in the United States alone.

A segment of the TV show "60 Minutes" which aired on December 12, 1996 reported on 164 studies done on aspartame. All of the 74 studies which were paid for by NutraSweet, showed that there were no problems. However 83 of the 90 studies that were done by independent labs found problems.

Mr. Arthur Hays was the commissioner of the FDA at the time of NutraSweet's approval for use. He approved this over the protests by his own Board of Inquiry. Mr. Hays then took a job as a consultant with NutraSweet's public relations firm while he was under investigation for accepting gratuities. Only a pay-off such as this makes sense when you look at the problems associated with this substance.

There is a list of known and FDA-acknowledged symptoms of aspartame poisoning. At one point in time the FDA stated that aspartame was the most complained about substance, comprising over 75% of their complaints on record. Although it can be tedious reading I'm including the list of symptoms here for your own use in detecting a possible link:

Symptoms: Abdominal pain, anxiety attacks, arthritis-like pain, asthmatic reactions, bloating, blood sugar control problems, brain cancer, breathing difficulties, burning eyes or throat, burning urination, chest pains, chronic cough, chronic fatigue, confusion, death, depression, diarrhea, dizziness, ear ringing, excessive thirst or hunger, fatigue, feel unreal, flushing of face, hair loss (baldness) or thinning of hair, headaches/migraines, hearing loss, heart palpitations, hives, high blood pressure, impotency and sexual problems, irritability, itching, joint pains, laryngitis, marked personality changes, memory loss, menstrual problems or changes, muscle spasms, nausea or vomiting, numbness or tingling of extremities, other allergic-like reactions, panic attacks, phobias, poor memory, rapid heart beat, rashes, seizures and convulsions, slurring of speech, swallowing pain, tremors, vertigo, vision loss, and weight gain.

There are also several diseases that aspartame poisoning can mimic, create and/or make worse:

Fibromyalgia, Arthritis, Multiple Sclerosis (MS), Parkinson's Disease, Lupus, Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (MCS), Diabetes and diabetic complications, Epilepsy, Alzheimer's disease, Birth defects, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Lymphoma, Lyme Disease, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Panic Disorder, Depression and other psychological Disorders.

Because this chemical can create so many varied symptoms, and the false image of NutraSweet as being pure and natural has been so effectively marketed, many physicians aren't alert to aspartame poisoning as the source of many of their patient's ills. This contributes to a tremendous increase in health costs as patients go from doctor to doctor trying to discover the truth as to what their problem is.

Unfortunately many people have switched from sugar to NutraSweet-containing products in their desire to avoid the negative affects or calories of sugar. Many foods and products made for and consumed by children contain NutraSweet. The last thing they need in their developing bodies and nervous systems is something that breaks down into formaldehyde. Many diabetics have begun using NutraSweet, unaware of the increased damage done to their pancreas and other vital organs by the NutraSweet and its breakdown products. And the people who drink a diet soda instead of having a healthy meal in their quest for weight loss increase the damage. On an empty stomach the conversion of aspartame into it's harmful breakdown products is accelerated and amplified.

There are many safer alternatives to refined sugar that have tested well in my office and have been used safely by many people. These include succanat, stevia, brown rice syrup, barley malt, maple syrup, honey and of course there is always good old-fashioned will power.

There is a grassroots movement of informed active people to get aspartame reclassified from its current status of "food additive" to "toxic drug". If you are an Internet user there is a lot of information to be had. One of the major sites is www.dorway.com. From there you can get into over 150 web pages on special topics related to aspartame.

As you can see, your friend was giving you some very valuable information. I recommend that you eliminate all aspartame-containing products. You may be shocked to find that you no longer have your current symptoms. This has happened with relatives of my patients after I recommended the trial abstinence period.

If your symptoms are still present after at least a one month elimination trial then you can follow up with a competent physician to determine the source of your symptoms. Either way, your body will be less toxic and on its way to being healthier.

Dr. Susan Player
http://www.drplayer.com/nutrasweet.htm


This is an urban legend. If you read the information regarding NutraSweet and other sugar alternatives available from the CDC, you see that they have no negative values. They also point out that there are no positive values, as sugar alternatives will not help you to lose weight.
Sinuhue
03-10-2005, 21:54
This is weird...we just got this stupid chain email about the evils of artificial sweeteners and soy...all phrased in that annoying 'OMGTHIS IS TEH EVIL' hysterical ranting. This thread is much more measured, and some good points are not lost in ideological babble, so thanks for that...but it's kind of a no brainer for me. I don't need someone to tell me that crap is bad for you. I've avoided it like the plague since I was a kid. Ditto for ALL softdrinks, fast foods, processed foods and food heated up in plastic containers in the microwave. I mean...duh :p
The Noble Men
03-10-2005, 21:55
Haha! sounds like it was fun to watch :D
but...just because I'm curious like that... where else would you expect tears to stream out of??

It wasn't fun to be in.

Dunno. Just sounded good.
Sinuhue
03-10-2005, 21:56
I love Diet Pepsi, as well as other soft drinks. I don't understand other peoples problems with Aspartame, and apparently a lot of the problems that aspartame supposedly has are false:
http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp
It's artificial. As in a chemical. So yeah, I avoid putting it in my body. I even have a problem with synthetic vitamins. I avoid eating a lot of sugar...and soft drinks are basically sugar water, so they're out. Refined sugar has no nutritional value, but at least it is natural. Aspartame has nothing going for it in my books.
Alinania
03-10-2005, 21:58
It wasn't fun to be in.


Awww...your weak spot, is it? :p
I'll admit that it did sound good...but not half as cruel as the head-banging part!
The Noble Men
03-10-2005, 21:59
Awww...your weak spot, is it? :p
I'll admit that it did sound good...but not half as cruel as the head-banging part!

Pretty much. Think I have a lawsuit?

Yeah, that wasn't great.
Sinuhue
03-10-2005, 22:00
And before people go..."Oh, it's an urban myth, the stuff is actually safe" just remember...everyone reacts to things in different ways. My kids are allergic to bananas...but bananas are not listed as 'unsafe'...they are unsafe for my kids, but not for people in general. MSG is not unsafe...but it gives me, and others, terrible migraines. You might have a sensitivity to aspartame or other artificial sweeteners, and no one will really be able to explain why. Don't feel like just because some scientists say, "All clear, drink to your heart's content" that you should be able to drink it with no adverse affects. Listen to your body. If it doesn't like something, it lets you know. It's just you being stubborn when you persist.
Alinania
03-10-2005, 22:02
Pretty much. Think I have a lawsuit?

Yeah, that wasn't great.
A lawsuit? The Noble Men?? :eek:
Speaking of 'that wasn't great'! ... nah, it's alright. Lawsuit sounds like fun, too...
Ceti Alpha 5
03-10-2005, 22:02
accuallythe methyl alcohol in aspertane does not break down into fermeldahyde in one's body. and recent studies have shown splenda might be even worse for you.... (not to mention its taste) the symptoms that are discribed are because a small amount of the population are allerigic to aspertain and it is toxic to them if you can taste phelyphelo(somethingsomething) often used in schools to show genetic inharetiance then you are most likely allergic to aspertain otherwise you are not, (sorry about my spelling, i can garentee you tho it is is the only thing in chemistry i lose point for :) )
Sinuhue
03-10-2005, 22:06
accuallythe methyl alcohol in aspertane does not break down into fermeldahyde in one's body. and recent studies have shown splenda might be even worse for you.... (not to mention its taste) the symptoms that are discribed are because a small amount of the population are allerigic to aspertain and it is toxic to them if you can taste phelyphelo(somethingsomething) often used in schools to show genetic inharetiance then you are most likely allergic to aspertain otherwise you are not, (sorry about my spelling, i can garentee you tho it is is the only thing in chemistry i lose point for :) )

See! Poor spelling aside, my friend has hit the head on the nail...or something like that :D

I wouldn't waste my time trying to get diagnosed as 'allergic' if the stuff made me dizzy, or sick, or gave me a headache. I'd just avoid the crap.
Teh_pantless_hero
03-10-2005, 22:06
This is an urban legend. If you read the information regarding NutraSweet and other sugar alternatives available from the CDC, you see that they have no negative values. They also point out that there are no positive values, as sugar alternatives will not help you to lose weight.
And if you can't trust the CDC, you can't trust anyone.
Willamena
03-10-2005, 22:09
I love Diet Pepsi, as well as other soft drinks. I don't understand other peoples problems with Aspartame, and apparently a lot of the problems that aspartame supposedly has are false:
http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp
The Snopes article debunks the claims of an "epidemic" as false, not that the chemical itself may be harmful if steadily consumed.
The Noble Men
03-10-2005, 22:10
A lawsuit? The Noble Men?? :eek:
Speaking of 'that wasn't great'! ... nah, it's alright. Lawsuit sounds like fun, too...

Don't panic. I only want to know if I have a case so that I don't claim and therefore don't become a part of Britains' "Compensation Culture".

"Speaking of 'that wasn't great'! ... nah, it's alright." What are you talking about?
Alinania
03-10-2005, 22:14
Don't panic. I only want to know if I have a case so that I don't claim and therefore don't become a part of Britains' "Compensation Culture".

"Speaking of 'that wasn't great'! ... nah, it's alright." What are you talking about?
Oh. oh, right. ...even though I didn't even know Britain had a 'Compensation Culture' ;)
huh...what was I talking about??... I ... I have a lot of sleep to catch up on.... and that really is the best I could come up with...
The Noble Men
03-10-2005, 22:20
Oh. oh, right. ...even though I didn't even know Britain had a 'Compensation Culture' ;)
huh...what was I talking about??... I ... I have a lot of sleep to catch up on.... and that really is the best I could come up with...

I assume the ;) shows sarcasm. Am I correct?

Also, why the :eek: when I mentioned lawsuits?

I know what you mean.
BAAWA
04-10-2005, 04:57
Nutrasweet is just damned awful-tasting. I too prefer Splenda. That and Sunnett are the best things since sugar.
Mt-Tau
04-10-2005, 04:59
I avoid diet drinks like the plague. It is ither full coke or water for me.
Zanato
04-10-2005, 05:23
Well, all I have to say on the matter is this.

1. Just about anything that touts 0 carbs and 0 calories and has taste is going to be packed with chemicals.

2. Chemicals are often poorly tested for human consumption and no information is known about the effects of long term usage.

3. Chemicals are very likely to be harmful, have been found harmful, and are still used despite severe health risks for consumers.

To put it simply, people are playing with fire and companies are fueling it.
[NS]Canada City
04-10-2005, 05:28
If the diet drinks are so bad...why is WHO allowing them on the market?
Mazalandia
04-10-2005, 13:58
Plus, Diet tastes terrible anyway. That funny little aftertaste kills it for me. Regardless, its not like drinking a diet soda is going to help you lose weight or be more healthy in any significant manner anyway. Soda in general is bad for you anyway and if the consumer was really healthy conscious anyway they wouldnt be drinking it.

Not specifically bashing Coke but one 375ml can has approx. 11.5 teaspoons of sugar, or 57.5 grams of sugar.
a 1.25L bottle (average size in Aus and Metric Countries) has approximately 190 grams of Sugar
Pepsi Max or Diet soft Drinks contain 0g of sugar

A teaspoon of sugar contains 85kj
To lose one kilo of fat requires burning 37,000 kilojoules
therefore one kilo of fat equals 435 teaspoons, or 7.6 cans of coke
So if you drink two cokes a day and stop, or change to diet coke you will lose
1.5 pounds or 0.74 kilos in two weeks
So if you drink two litres a day and stop as a friend did, or change to diet coke you will lose
21.6 pounds or 9.8 kilos in two weeks
Sierra BTHP
04-10-2005, 14:04
Refined sugar is far worse for your body than any artificial sweetner.

Before colonial expansion, there was very little refined sugar in the diet.

Splenda is inert in the body. It doesn't metabolize or break down at all - and it is rapidly excreted. If you have to taste something sweet, this is probably the best option.

I use and cook with Splenda, and I bake a lot. No one who has eaten my pastries can tell the difference.

If you're thirsty, drink water. Even large amounts of fruit juice contain too much sugar.
Jeruselem
04-10-2005, 14:14
Never like those articial sweeteners. Brown sugar is best :)
Cromotar
04-10-2005, 15:10
I like diet sodas, mostly because I find regular Coke to leave behind an icky sugary aftertaste, which I don't get with diet.

I don't drink it very often anyway, but when I do, it's diet all the way.
Cahnt
04-10-2005, 21:41
I thought they used corn-syrup to sweeten things now? :confused:
I think Coke use that because it's cheaper than using cane sugar sugar. Not sure if anybody else does, though.
Drunk commies deleted
04-10-2005, 22:43
Damn, it seems just about every sweetener is harmful. What the hell are we supposed to sweeten things with?
Romans used lead acetate ("sugar of lead") to sweeten old wine and turn grape pulp into a sweet condiment. Usually the acidic wine or pulp was simply left in a vat with sheets of lead. An aristocrat with a sweet tooth might have eaten as much as a gram of lead a day. Widespread use of this sweetener would have caused gout, sterility, insanity and many of the symptoms which were, in fact, present among the aristocrats.

from http://www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/envhist/1ancient.html