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Britain is teeming with islamists. All those years of turning a blind eye to islamists who were targetting other countries have resulted in Britain now having a sizeable jihadi segment in its muslim population.

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=55757

London, October 2: Azahari bin Husin, a British educated bomber, is suspected of masterminding the near simulataneous attacks on three crowded restaurants in the Indonesian resort island of Bali killing 25 people, a media report said on Sunday.

48-year-old Azahari bin Husin, who completed a doctorate at Reading University in the 1990s before being trained with the al-Qaeda, is known in his native Malaysia as 'Demolition Man', The Sunday Times said adding he is also suspected of masterminding Saturday's attacks in Bali.

Azahari learnt his bomb-making craft in one of Osama bin Laden's Afghan training camps, it said. He is now being hunted by the Indonesian security services for his active involvement in Jemaah Islamiya, the group which is the most feared terrorist network in southeast Asia.

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono had warned that another attack might be imminent, it said.

The group was behind the 2002 Bali attacks in which car bombers killed 202 people, including 88 Australians, in attacks on night-clubs in the tourist resort of Kuta, the scene of one of Saturday's explosions.

The group has also been blamed for the bombings at the JW Marriott hotel in Jakarta which killed 12 people in 2003 and a car bomb blast outside the Australian Embassy in 2004 which killed 11.

The International Crisis Group, a security think tank, said Azahari and another fugitive, Noordin M. Top, could be 'tempted' to attack another western target in Indonesia.

Azahari, born in Malaysia, studied in Australia in the 1970s before coming to Britain. He later trained at an Afghan terrorist camp. He and Noordin are wanted for a series of attacks, including the 2002 Bali bombings.


The death toll is now 26 and it looks likes it is suicide bombing. Bali is more than 90% Hindu.

http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEH20051002114033&Title=Top+Stories&Topic=0&BALI:~A~videotape~recording,~taken~on~a~hand-held~recorder~by~an~injured~victim~inside~one~of~the~locations~in~Bali~that~was~bombed~on~Saturday,~ allegedly~captured~one...
Bali 'suicide bomber' caught on victim's camcorder
BALI: A videotape recording, taken on a hand-held recorder by an injured victim inside one of the locations in Bali that was bombed on Saturday, allegedly captured one of the suicide bombers right before the attack.
http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/feeds/ap/2005/10/02/ap2255072.html
Bali Blasts Could Affect Asian Markets
Tourism contributes about 5 percent of Indonesia's gross domestic product, with most foreign tourism dollars spent on Bali and neighboring Lombok island.

Background info on Jemaah Islamiya and AQ connections..

http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles.html/function/view/categoryid/1701/documentid/2720/history/3,2360,655,1701,2720
Jemaah Islamiyah Shown to Have Significant Ties to al Qaeda

http://www.ict.org.il/spotlight/det.cfm?id=827

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/16/terror/main588922.shtml

Ok. You’ve stated a problem. Now propose a solution or shut the fuck up.

You know what's funny? Some right-wing think-tank suggested there is a link between British-educated islamic extremists and universities . . . because a lot of them have attended British universities.

To which I say, the New Labour party said in their manifesto that they want a 50% participation rate in higher education. It's 40% or so right now apparently, and the government says that's not good enough, higher education has to be more inclusive.

Well, there's one 'link'. Send half the population to university, and then marvel at how quite a few domestic terrorists have been there.

Dumbasses. Really, this is just idiotic. :rolleyes:

Hey, did you know Pol Pot was educated in France? I guess the country must be full of genocidal communist dictators then, right?

Yeah France dealt with this crap all throughout the 90s. If the Brits want help then go ask them.

...... Britain now having a sizeable jihadi segment in its muslim population....

jihadi?i was under the impression jihad meant holy war,not some offshoot of islam like shi'ite or sun'i

first - Islamists? o_O, it's islamic, and the people are called, muslims, not moslems or mislims.

second - somebody has to educate them. it happens britain has a very good higher education system.

third - shut up with your anti-islam ranting.

Hey, did you know Pol Pot was educated in France? I guess the country must be full of genocidal communist dictators then, right?

So was Ho Chi Minh, who was almost as bad as Pol Pot.

first - Islamists? o_O, it's islamic, and the people are called, muslims, not moslems or mislims.

second - somebody has to educate them. it happens britain has a very good higher education system.

third - shut up with your anti-islam ranting.

Well, a bit sensative here? So far I haven't seen any anti-islam rantings in this thread. Also, I haven't seen many white Christian Europeans, black anamist Africans, or Budhist Asians blowing up inocent civilians.

ok a bit ott, but the point of the thread seemed to be britain housing thousands of "dirty" people, and educating them into killers. and we should stop this.

ok a bit ott, but the point of the thread seemed to be britain housing thousands of "dirty" people, and educating them into killers. and we should stop this.

just because they're educated in britian doesnt mean they are educated to be killers.joining the army in any country means you are being educated to be a killer.

Many terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq were trained in American funded training camps.

Where did I say that it is British education that is the reason for the jihadis becoming jihadis or that British system is educating them into killers. :confused:

I mentioned this upfront and I stand by that.
All those years of turning a blind eye to islamists who were targetting other countries have resulted in Britain now having a sizeable jihadi segment in its muslim population.

Examples,

Omar Sheikh - British citizen and LSE student. Currently in a Pakistani jail for killing Daniel Pearl and suspected to be the one who wire transferred money to Mohd.Atta.

Mohammed Bilal - Britain's first suicide bomber. Blew himself up in an army post in Kashmir in 2000.

Then the four London bombers of 7/7. All four were educated. Richard Reid, recruited in UK.

The point is that around early 90s when the Khalistani and Kashmiri terrorism was in full swing, many of these jihadi orgs were very active in the UK. Mirpuris (ethnic Kashmiri of Pak side of Kashmir) were involved in openly collecting funds for jihad. Despite many requests and complaints from the Indian govt, the UK govt never took any action...because..they never thought that one day they would be bombing UK.

Around mid 90s, many a British muslim joined the jihad in Bosnia. Omar Sheikh was one such person. The numbers were atleast several hundreds. Many became veterans and are now back in UK, forming a very good network of recruiting and indoctrination.

The copycat attacks after 7/7 points to the strength of this network.


Undelia
Ok. You’ve stated a problem. Now propose a solution or shut the fuck up.
Or else what?

Kroblexskij first - Islamists? o_O, it's islamic, and the people are called, muslims, not moslems or mislims.


Islam - a religion

Muslim - one who follows islam.

Islamist - one who seeks to impose his religion (or rather his interpretation) on others, usually by force, and justifies the use of force as necessary and allowed as per the religion.