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That's why Youth Against War and Racism is calling for a National Day of Action on November 2, the anniversary of the reelection of George Bush. We are calling on students to protest and walk out of classes against the war and military recruitment in our schools. By taking bold action, young people can help ignite a powerful, combative antiwar movement capable of forcing an end to the war.

http://www.yawr.org/

Hmmmm.

The last time I saw that it was more about "hey this is cool" then taking a stance........

:D (snigger, snigger) Something similar happend in Ireland a few years ago...lots of mass detention!!!!

Ah, smells like teen spirit! Well, okay, not in a way to invoke Nirvana, but you know what I mean.

That's why Youth Against War and Racism is calling for a National Day of Action on November 2, the anniversary of the reelection of George Bush. We are calling on students to protest and walk out of classes against the war and military recruitment in our schools. By taking bold action, young people can help ignite a powerful, combative antiwar movement capable of forcing an end to the war.

http://www.yawr.org/
And just WHAT the frack does "war" have to do with "racism," you ideologically biased frack? :headbang:

This has to be one of the most idiotic proposals it's been my extreme displeasure to hear in my lifetime! :headbang:

Heh...my school did that a few years ago over Iraq...got us a free day off, but nothing else. I really don't see this as accomplishing anything significant.

That's why Youth Against War and Racism is calling for a National Day of Action on November 2, the anniversary of the reelection of George Bush. We are calling on students to protest and walk out of classes against the war and military recruitment in our schools. By taking bold action, young people can help ignite a powerful, combative antiwar movement capable of forcing an end to the war.

http://www.yawr.org/

Hell, we did stuff like that when we were kids, too. Most of us who participated...did so because it was a chance to break the rules, and chance to get out of school, not because we necessarily believed in whatever cause the walkout was for.

I specifically remember one time where they tried to make us come to school on a Saturday. I went to high school in Austin, Texas, and, since it seldom snows there, they hadn't scheduled for any snow days. So, when they had a snow day, they tried to force us all to come to school on Saturday.

Well, I had a choice of going to school on Saturday, or going to work, bagging groceries for 4 bucks an hour. Guess which one I, and 98% of the school body chose to do? Later, I heard that attendance that day was composed of some 30 students, out of a student body of over 2,000.

None of us ever got in any trouble over sjipping school that day, either, because most of us really WERE at work.

And of course, there was always the ever-famous "Senior Skip Day." And there was one time we walked out in protest over something, I even forget what it was anymore. Of course, I and almost everyone else participated, and the main reason we did was so that we could break the rules and get away with it, and because it was cool...and because everyone else was doing it, too.

We, of course, knew darn well that they could not...and would not...punish us all. It was sorta like an "inmates taking over the asylum" sort of thing...and that was what made it cool, was telling the adults where they could stuff it.

And just WHAT the frack does "war" have to do with "racism," you ideologically biased frack? :headbang:

This has to be one of the most idiotic proposals it's been my extreme displeasure to hear in my lifetime! :headbang:

Let me see....
The terrorists are arabs... and so are the iraqis.... hallelujah the war is just! the iraqis are terrorists! Bomb them all!!!

What's wrong with military recruitment in our schools?

Let me see....
The terrorists are arabs... and so are the iraqis.... hallelujah the war is just! the iraqis are terrorists! Bomb them all!!!

Eh? That made absolutely no sense...

Let me see....
The terrorists are arabs... and so are the iraqis.... hallelujah the war is just! the iraqis are terrorists! Bomb them all!!!
Irrelevant. You don't avoid arresting someone who has comitted a felony just because his skin is dark. THAT is racism. :headbang:

What's wrong with military recruitment in our schools?
Nothing. If you don't want to join, then don't join, but don't deny someone else the chance to join if they're interested.

Let me see....
The terrorists are arabs... and so are the iraqis.... hallelujah the war is just! the iraqis are terrorists! Bomb them all!!!

The terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 were Arabs...how is stating that fact racist?

Eh? That made absolutely no sense...

And yet there are still plenty of people who think like that

Irrelevant. You don't avoid arresting someone who has comitted a felony just because his skin is dark. THAT is racism. :headbang:
When did I say you should do that?

Nothing. If you don't want to join, then don't join, but don't deny someone else the chance to join if they're interested.

I agree 100%; personally, I think it's an excellent thing.

What's wrong with military recruitment in our schools?

Because the recruiters lie when they are recruiting kids. Or, at the very least, they sure as HELL don't disclose the whole truth!

And just what is THE WHOLE TRUTH you ask?
Well, the whole truth is that they are NOT going to train you around home so that you can go to school, and all that stuff. The truth is, the second they got you, they are going to ship you over to Baghdad University, where you can major in "Getting Your Ass Splattered All Over A Hellhole In The Ass-Crack Of The World, All To Benefit The Bottom Line Of Exxon-Mobil and Halliburton, 101."

Nothing. If you don't want to join, then don't join, but don't deny someone else the chance to join if they're interested.

The problem with that is that recruiters won't leave you the feck alone even after you tell them you are not interested. they keep after you and after you, even after you TELL them not to call your house again...they continue to do it anyway. They won't take NO for an answer.

And just WHAT the frack does "war" have to do with "racism," you ideologically biased frack? :headbang:

This has to be one of the most idiotic proposals it's been my extreme displeasure to hear in my lifetime! :headbang:
So, you have to be against either war OR racism? You can't be against both?

I know there are those out there who actually know something, but seriously, on a whole, how many school aged kids actually know ANYTHING about foreign policy, world economics, and history, let alnone, enough to form a relevent opinion?

I know there are those out there who actually know something, but seriously, on a whole, how many school aged kids actually know ANYTHING about foreign policy, world economics, and history, let alnone, enough to form a relevent opinion?

Most of them don't know who the VP is, so I seriously doubt their capacity to comprehend such an idea.

Because the recruiters lie when they are recruiting kids. Or, at the very least, they sure as HELL don't disclose the whole truth!


In all fairness if your idiotic enough not to realise when you sign your name up to the military your saying you accept that there is a risk of death or serious injury then you deserve to be shot anyway, every military job has that risk so i dont see the problem with there being military recruiting in schools, its not like they kidnap you and use sensory deprivation on you or anything.

I know there are those out there who actually know something, but seriously, on a whole, how many school aged kids actually know ANYTHING about foreign policy, world economics, and history, let alnone, enough to form a relevent opinion?

Depends how old said schoolkids are. From the age of 16, people start getting interested.

"Getting Your Ass Splattered All Over A Hellhole In The Ass-Crack Of The World, All To Benefit The Bottom Line Of Exxon-Mobil and Halliburton, 101."
What is the passing grade for this course? :eek:

Depends how old said schoolkids are. From the age of 16, people start getting interested.
I remeber being 16, heck , evn 18, and you want o know what I remember best?

I was TOO damn "smart" for my own good. In other words, I thought I knew everything, but I didn't know squat compared to what I know now.

Bottom line - Most people don't know what the real world is all about until they really "live" in it. Highschool is certainly NOT like the real world.

~EDIT~ Actually, highschool is a little bit like a communist state, now that I think about it.

And just WHAT the frack does "war" have to do with "racism," you ideologically biased frack? :headbang:
The group is called Youth Against War and Racism

If you research a little further into their web site, you would get the answer (http://www.yawr.org/points_of_unity/pou.htm):

Say NO to racism and attacks on our civil liberties!
Since September 11th, there has been a racist backlash against immigrants, and particularly against Arabs and Muslims. The USA Patriot Act and other repressive immigration policies have led to thousands being rounded-up and secretly thrown into jail on secret evidence, as well as mass deportations. This repression has created a climate of fear for millions more, amid widespread racial and religious profiling, harassment, and discrimination in jobs and housing. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are racist wars, and Bush promotes a racist nationalism to justify U.S. violence abroad.

I remeber being 16, heck , evn 18, and you want o know what I remember best?

I was TOO damn "smart" for my own good. In other words, I thought I knew everything, but I didn't know squat compared to what I know now.

Bottom line - Most people don't know what the real world is all about until they really "live" in it. Highschool is certainly NOT like the real world.

Yeah, but getting out there and getting involved in politics while still in high school is in no way detrimental. It's a learning experience...it puts you in touch with the real world.

~EDIT~ Actually, highschool is a little bit like a communist state, now that I think about it.

What, high school is a contradiction in terms, is it? ;)

So that's what they're using as an excuse to go out and get drunk? Feh.

That's why Youth Against War and Racism is calling for a National Day of Action on November 2, the anniversary of the reelection of George Bush. We are calling on students to protest and walk out of classes against the war and military recruitment in our schools. By taking bold action, young people can help ignite a powerful, combative antiwar movement capable of forcing an end to the war.

http://www.yawr.org/
How about stay in school and learn, then go off to Harvard Law and become president? Walk outs do nothing. If whatsher face Sheahan cant get through to Bushy.. what makes you think a walk-out will work?

How about stay in school and learn, then go off to Harvard Law and become president? Walk outs do nothing. If whatsher face Sheahan cant get through to Bushy.. what makes you think a walk-out will do?
I disagree, and activism does bear results (http://www.yawr.org/nov2/milout-povdraft.htm#out)?

Fortunately, young people are proving harder to entice into the armed forces than Bush and the Pentagon tops expected! The Army is 40% short of this year's target of recruiting 80,000 by October, and other branches of the military are struggling as well. African American youth have long been targeted by recruiters. But while blacks made up nearly 25% of new recruits in 2000, they were only 14% of this year's recruits. The ROTC now has the fewest participants in a decade (Economic and Political Weekly, 7/23/05).

The military tops and the Bush administration are extremely worried by the recruitment crisis. After a trip to Iraq this summer, retired General Barry McCaffrey raised the alarm. Writing in the Wall Street Journal, the voice of Corporate America, McCaffrey explained: "We are also in a race against time. The U.S. Army and the Marines are too undermanned and under-resourced to sustain this security policy beyond next fall. They are starting to unravel. Congress is in denial and must act. In addition, the American people are losing faith in the statements of our Defense Department leadership. Support for the war is plummeting along with active-duty and National Guard recruiting." (7/2/05)

I know there are those out there who actually know something, but seriously, on a whole, how many school aged kids actually know ANYTHING about foreign policy, world economics, and history, let alnone, enough to form a relevent opinion?
I think you sell the students short. When I went to school, we were very plugged into current events, probably more so than the stay at home mom of the day? Many would trip on down to the polling booths without a clue as to what was going on in the real world, and many of them asking their husbands who to vote for.

Most of them don't know who the VP is, so I seriously doubt their capacity to comprehend such an idea.
If this is truly the case than your educational system is failing, and should be a major concern for the future of your country?

I disagree, and activism does bear results (http://www.yawr.org/nov2/milout-povdraft.htm#out)?

Fortunately, young people are proving harder to entice into the armed forces than Bush and the Pentagon tops expected! The Army is 40% short of this year's target of recruiting 80,000 by October, and other branches of the military are struggling as well. African American youth have long been targeted by recruiters. But while blacks made up nearly 25% of new recruits in 2000, they were only 14% of this year's recruits. The ROTC now has the fewest participants in a decade (Economic and Political Weekly, 7/23/05).

The military tops and the Bush administration are extremely worried by the recruitment crisis. After a trip to Iraq this summer, retired General Barry McCaffrey raised the alarm. Writing in the Wall Street Journal, the voice of Corporate America, McCaffrey explained: "We are also in a race against time. The U.S. Army and the Marines are too undermanned and under-resourced to sustain this security policy beyond next fall. They are starting to unravel. Congress is in denial and must act. In addition, the American people are losing faith in the statements of our Defense Department leadership. Support for the war is plummeting along with active-duty and National Guard recruiting." (7/2/05)
Well thats just.. off topic. What you stated is that teens are less interested now than before. I dont see anything of protest in there.

They set up tables in highschool lunch rooms and hand out free pens and keychains. People go up, take the free stuff and go back to eating, not signing up. Did I just lose my point? oh well.

When did I say you should do that?
By extension, they are essentially the same thing. If I avoid going to war with a nation simply because the citizens have dark skin ( or the converse ), I am as guilty of racism as if I avoided arresting a perpetrator because his or her skin is dark.

Because the recruiters lie when they are recruiting kids. Or, at the very least, they sure as HELL don't disclose the whole truth!

And just what is THE WHOLE TRUTH you ask?
Well, the whole truth is that they are NOT going to train you around home so that you can go to school, and all that stuff. The truth is, the second they got you, they are going to ship you over to Baghdad University, where you can major in "Getting Your Ass Splattered All Over A Hellhole In The Ass-Crack Of The World, All To Benefit The Bottom Line Of Exxon-Mobil and Halliburton, 101."
Racist. :rolleyes:

I think you sell the students short. When I went to school, we were very plugged into current events, probably more so than the stay at home mom of the day? Many would trip on down to the polling booths without a clue as to what was going on in the real world, and many of them asking their husbands who to vote for.


If this is truly the case than your educational system is failing, and should be a major concern for the future of your country?
Dude, the American public school system in inner cities is falling apart. When you can't even score above the 20th percentile on a STANDARDIZED TEST you've got serious problems. Bear in mind these were English and Math tests. Though scores may have improved now, I suspect the numbers may have been fudged since teachers were getting into trouble for the low scores.

So, you have to be against either war OR racism? You can't be against both?
No. I didn't say that. But don't you think that by naming a protest that way it automatically links them in the minds of most reading the name?

I know there are those out there who actually know something, but seriously, on a whole, how many school aged kids actually know ANYTHING about foreign policy, world economics, and history, let alnone, enough to form a relevent opinion?
It approaches zero as a limit. :rolleyes:

The group is called Youth Against War and Racism

If you research a little further into their web site, you would get the answer (http://www.yawr.org/points_of_unity/pou.htm):

Say NO to racism and attacks on our civil liberties!
Since September 11th, there has been a racist backlash against immigrants, and particularly against Arabs and Muslims. The USA Patriot Act and other repressive immigration policies have led to thousands being rounded-up and secretly thrown into jail on secret evidence, as well as mass deportations. This repression has created a climate of fear for millions more, amid widespread racial and religious profiling, harassment, and discrimination in jobs and housing. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are racist wars, and Bush promotes a racist nationalism to justify U.S. violence abroad.
Unadulterated horseshit.

Yeah, but getting out there and getting involved in politics while still in high school is in no way detrimental. It's a learning experience...it puts you in touch with the real world.
Politics is the "real world?" OMG! :headbang: :eek:

I disagree, and activism does bear results (http://www.yawr.org/nov2/milout-povdraft.htm#out)?

Fortunately, young people are proving harder to entice into the armed forces than Bush and the Pentagon tops expected! The Army is 40% short of this year's target of recruiting 80,000 by October, and other branches of the military are struggling as well.
This is somehow "fortunate?" Holy shit! And here I've been all my life believing that a strong military was necessary to our survival. Silly, silly me! :rolleyes:

Afghanistan was pretty well justified. It's a place I imagine Manilla would be if we let the muslim fanatics just take over. Though I imagine they wouldn't know of such things because they scurry away from things such as war and the military, neh? :rolleyes:

No. I didn't say that. But don't you think that by naming a protest that way it automatically links them in the minds of most reading the name?
No. At least not in my mind. If they called it "racist war" or "warring racism" maybe.

Politics is the "real world?" OMG! :headbang: :eek:

Oh, come on. Politics isn't jus a bunch of men in suits arguing for the sake of arguing.

As individuals, we make political decisions every day. The real world is politics. It is impossible to seperate yourself from it, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the desert...which in itself is a political statement.

No. At least not in my mind. If they called it "racist war" or "warring racism" maybe.
The word "and" is a conjuction.

From The American Heritage Dictonary Online (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/conjunction):

"con·junc·tion (kn-jngkshn) KEY

"NOUN:

"The act of joining.
The state of being joined.
A joint or simultaneous occurrence; concurrence: the conjunction of historical and economic forces that created a depression.
One resulting from or embodying a union; a combination: "He is, in fact, a remarkable conjunction of talents" (Jerry Adler)."

"The act of joining.
The state of being joined.
A joint or simultaneous occurrence; concurrence: the conjunction of historical and economic forces that created a depression.
One resulting from or embodying a union; a combination: "He is, in fact, a remarkable conjunction of talents" (Jerry Adler)."
Interesting. In Spanish the objects joined maintain their individuality, even though they may be acting or being referred together, they remain independent, loosely tied. Perhaps in English the union implied is much stronger?

Great way to teach our young people to break the rules :rolleyes: walk out of school-skip classes yea that'll make the world a better place. Better to stay in class, learn and grow as one day they'll be leading our country.

This is somehow "fortunate?" Holy shit! And here I've been all my life believing that a strong military was necessary to our survival. Silly, silly me! :rolleyes:
The war in Iraq was definitely not "necessary to your survival". If anything, the war in Iraq has made the people of America less secure.

Interesting. In Spanish the objects joined maintain their individuality, even though they may be acting or being referred together, they remain independent, loosely tied. Perhaps in English the union implied is much stronger?
Depends on context. My department at Uni is known as the School of Earth and Environment, but I can study Earth Science and/or Environment courses.

So having two seperate things in an organisation's name does not necessarily mean that they are part of the same thing.

Against recruitment in schools eh? Another reason why we need a major draft.

Unadulterated horseshit.
I have seen many racist posts towards Iraqis, Arabs, and Islam in these threads by American posters. Whether you want to admit it or not, it exists and it is real. Perhaps the student posting was a bit strong with the wording of that paragraph, but noticing how the Bush administration deals detainees in the war on terrorism , one would think that there must be a measure of truth in the statement?

:D (snigger, snigger) Something similar happend in Ireland a few years ago...lots of mass detention!!!!

i remember that,student walk outs in opposition to teachers going on a work to rule.that was so much fun.and no1 cared about it except the 6th years,the rest of us were lovin all the days off

The war in Iraq was definitely not "necessary to your survival". If anything, the war in Iraq has made the people of America less secure.
I agree completely.

Depends how old said schoolkids are. From the age of 16, people start getting interested.I worked on a political campaign when I was 15. I knew who the VP of the US was when I was 12. Please stop making gross generalizations like that. I find it to be incredibly insulting.

I remeber being 16, heck , evn 18, and you want o know what I remember best?
I was TOO damn "smart" for my own good. In other words, I thought I knew everything, but I didn't know squat compared to what I know now.I have no doubt that I will know more in a year than I do now. That says nothing about what I know. Just because you know more now than you did when you were 16 doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of teenagers who know more than you do.


Bottom line - Most people don't know what the real world is all about until they really "live" in it. Highschool is certainly NOT like the real world.No, it's not. And if you never leave school, then you never live in the real world. Fortunatly for us, we live most of our lives outside of school. Again, stop judging all teenagers based on your experiences. I have a job and help to support my family, and I have been doing so since I was 16.

~EDIT~ Actually, highschool is a little bit like a communist state, now that I think about it.No, it's not. I wish it were, but it's not. Did you, in fact, ever attend highschool?

I'm sure this bold and brave action by these original students will greatly change the outlook of the war. Either that or it's just an excuse to get out of class. Not a bad excuse, actually.

... one day they'll be leading our country.
:eek:

Against recruitment in schools eh? Another reason why we need a major draft.

I say we just draft the hippies and let the normal people get off unless they want to join. Remember: civil disobedience is still disobedience.

EDIT: And since the hippies will obviously dodge the draft, this will be an excellent way to get rid of the hippies in America. Ingenius!

Sorry, but I am not getting expelled over an anti-war organization with ulterior motives. Not that I support the war, but the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

The word "and" is a conjuction.
-snip-
A conjunction shows a commonality of some sort; you are grouping words or concepts into a category of some sort.
ex: apples, tofu, flax seed, tomato soup and popsicles.
What do they have in common? They could be a shopping list, a list of vegan foods, or a list of my favourite foods.
ex: war and racism.
What do they have in common? They are both motivated by hate, they are both bad things (IMO), and they are both things worth protesting.
War and racism are not the same thing.

I have seen many racist posts towards Iraqis, Arabs, and Islam in these threads by American posters. Whether you want to admit it or not, it exists and it is real. Perhaps the student posting was a bit strong with the wording of that paragraph, but noticing how the Bush administration deals detainees in the war on terrorism , one would think that there must be a measure of truth in the statement?


It seems to me that the racism is coming from the anti-war side. They are the ones that seem to think that Kurds, Arabs and Persians aren't worthy of our efforts and that the Iraqi people aren't actually good enough to have a ‘real’ democracy so we are wasting our time and efforts and we should go home now and just let them kill each other...

How is the argument of, "get out now because it's all about oil,” not a racist statement that ignores the humanity of the Iraqi people? It’s nothing but self-centered racism to say that we should just abandon them. Despicable really.

I say we just draft the hippies and let the normal people get off unless they want to join. Remember: civil disobedience is still disobedience.

EDIT: And since the hippies will obviously dodge the draft, this will be an excellent way to get rid of the hippies in America. Ingenius!

And how do you legally define "hippies"? You can't.

Yeah, people who can't even vote are demonstrating.

Listen up kiddos, I don't pay taxes so you can waste it by skipping school. Get yourself an education. All this is going to do is get you in trouble. Wait until college to get all crazy and protesty.

It seems to me that the racism is coming from the anti-war side. They are the ones that seem to think that Kurds, Arabs and Persians aren't worthy of our efforts and that the Iraqi people aren't actually good enough to have a ‘real’ democracy so we are wasting our time and efforts and we should go home now and just let them kill each other...
Before the US invaded, Iraq was in a relatively peaceful mode. Since then, there has been over 100,000 Iraqi casualties, and a suggestion that Iraq could very well turn into an all out civil war. Racism by the anti-war crowd? I think you are extremely confused.

BTW, what is "real democracy" to you is not necessarily "real democracy" for the Iraqis?

How is the argument of, "get out now because it's all about oil,” not a racist statement that ignores the humanity of the Iraqi people? It’s nothing but self-centered racism to say that we should just abandon them. Despicable really.
Perhaps you have not been following the debates about the US invasion of Iraq, or at least have not witnessed the words written by many pro war advocates about the Iraqi people and/or their religion? Despicable? Yes, very despicable indeed.

Racism by the anti-war crowd? Again, I think you are extremely confused.

That's why Youth Against War and Racism is calling for a National Day of Action on November 2, the anniversary of the reelection of George Bush. We are calling on students to protest and walk out of classes against the war and military recruitment in our schools. By taking bold action, young people can help ignite a powerful, combative antiwar movement capable of forcing an end to the war.

http://www.yawr.org/

... by being thwaped for truancy.

And just WHAT the frack does "war" have to do with "racism," you ideologically biased frack? :headbang:
Nothing, but "war" does have plenty to do with "War".

Did you fully read the name of the organisation?

This has to be one of the most idiotic proposals it's been my extreme displeasure to hear in my lifetime! :headbang:
Haven't read many of your own posts have you? :rolleyes:

Sorry, but I am not getting expelled over an anti-war organization with ulterior motives. Not that I support the war, but the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.
So you object to this organisation because you support not the war, but do support racism? ;)

Before the US invaded, Iraq was in a relatively peaceful mode. Since then, there has been over 100,000 Iraqi casualties, and a suggestion that Iraq could very well turn into an all out civil war. Racism by the anti-war crowd? I think you are extremely confused.


Yes, the insurgents are trying to start a civil war, how would our leaving now alleviate that problem? It would not, our leaving would only ensure that the terrorist and baathist and Sunni terrorist would have a better chance of subduing, through violence, the rest of the country. How could leaving them now be the humane choice? It can not.

As to your numbers, I have no idea where you got that from, would you care to elaborate?

This one says the casualty rate is too high, but not anything near 100,000.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/



BTW, what is "real democracy" to you is not "real democracy" for the Iraqis?

What chance do they have of a constitutional democracy if we leave now, leaving the majority of the Iraqi people undefended and prematurely, before their own forces are ready to take over?


Perhaps you have not been following the debates about the US invasion of Iraq, or at least have not witnessed the words written by many pro war advocates about the Iraqi people and/or their religion? Despicable? Yes, very despicable indeed.

Racism by the anti-war crowd? Again, I think you are extremely confused.

What difference does the debate here make? The people there are the ones fighting and dying, they are the ones trying to secure a better future for themselves. Should I listen to the protestors here who simply hate Bush, or should I listen to the Iraqi people who are trying to create a better future for themselves?

They will vote on their draft constitution in a couple of weeks, if it fails, they will start over and make a new one. If we leave, the odds are that they will not have one at all. What makes them unworthy of our efforts?

And how do you legally define "hippies"? You can't.

Oh really? I NEVER knew that. Thanks for that educational post, I feel much more emotionally and mentally enriched.

So you object to this organisation because you support not the war, but do support racism? ;)
I’m not a racist. I just recognize that the real reason beyond almost every anti-war movement has little to do with the war at its core or anything that I believe in at all.

I'll spread the word at my school we could do with a day off

I worked on a political campaign when I was 15. I knew who the VP of the US was when I was 12. Please stop making gross generalizations like that. I find it to be incredibly insulting.

I was politically involved from the age of about 15 too; although I must admit that knowing who the VP of the United States was happened to be somewhat irrelevant to me. ;)

All I was saying is that *most* people don't begin to become interested until about 16. I maintain that this is true. (And I don't see a problem with that. I never said that people can't get involved at an earlier age if they want to)

A day off school is a no-brainer.

Go on kids, stick it to the Man!

I'll seize this opportunity to reproduce here the lyrics to another one of my favourite songs by the Fugs.

Dirty Old Man

Hangin' out by the schoolyard gate (hangin' out by the schoolyard gate)
Lookin' up every dress I can (lookin' up every dress I can)
Suckin' wind through my upper plate (suckin' wind through my upper plate)
I'm a dirty old man (dirty old man, dirty old man)

(you fuckin' dirty old man!)
(disgusting!)

Handin' out drugs to the kids at school (handin' out drugs to the kids at school)
Givin' out pictures and porn and pills (givin' out pictures and porn and pills)
Fillin' the front of my shirt with drool (fillin' the front of my shirt with drool)
I'm a dirty old man (dirty old man, dirty old man)

(ya filthy prevert!)

Nervously wiggling my toes in my boots (nervously wiggling my toes in my boots)
Communist literature in my hands (communist literature in my hands)
Pinchin' all the bosoms I can (pinchin' all the bosoms I can)
I'm a dirty old man (dirty old man, dirty old man)

(you!)

<instrumental break over verse chords>

Recitation: <over two repeats of verse chords>

(cackles) Hello, kiddies, here I am again on the ol' schoolyard! I
got "thrill pills" for all the little chickies, and I got "funny
cigarettes" for all you boys (sniff), and I got "dirty pictures" for
all of you together! Well, I guess I better go, I see the campus
cop's coming... I better split now. Remember Leon Trotsky! (cackle)

<repeat verses 1-3>

Coda:

I'm a dirty old ma-a-a-a-n!

It seems to me that the racism is coming from the anti-war side. They are the ones that seem to think that Kurds, Arabs and Persians aren't worthy of our efforts and that the Iraqi people aren't actually good enough to have a ‘real’ democracy so we are wasting our time and efforts and we should go home now and just let them kill each other...


That's funny. Too bad the Americans are rather selective on which people to "save." So the anti-war people being racist is rather weak counter-claim.


How is the argument of, "get out now because it's all about oil,” not a racist statement that ignores the humanity of the Iraqi people? It’s nothing but self-centered racism to say that we should just abandon them. Despicable really.

And yet
Dahfur is "diplomated"
Palistine continues
Somalia continues
How many despots that had american support during the commie years are still in power? What about the humanity of those people? Are the Iraqis worth more?

What of the criminal system in China? We are doing more and more business with them. What of the humanity of the wrongly convicted......