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FEMA FUBR loses ice, millions of $! WTF, over??

Eutrusca
02-10-2005, 15:58
COMMENTARY: As the full story of the Hurricane season of 2005 continues to emerge, the degree of bumbling and ineptitude at all levels of government becomes more and more apparent. This incident is tagi-comic, but the next one might not be. We need to rethink the entire "emergency response" infrastructure, kick out all the damned political appointees, and take an entirely new approach. To do less will be to invite unnecessary mass casualties in any new disaster. :headbang:


Stumbling Storm-Aid Effort
Put Tons of Ice on Trips to Nowhere (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/02/national/nationalspecial/02ice.html?th&emc=th)


By SCOTT SHANE and ERIC LIPTON
Published: October 2, 2005

WASHINGTON, Oct. 1 - When the definitive story of the confrontation between Hurricane Katrina and the United States government is finally told, one long and tragicomic chapter will have to be reserved for the odyssey of the ice.

Ninety-one thousand tons of ice cubes, that is, intended to cool food, medicine and sweltering victims of the storm. It would cost taxpayers more than $100 million, and most of it would never be delivered.

The somewhat befuddled heroes of the tale will be truckers like Mark Kostinec, who was dropping a load of beef in Canton, Ohio, on Sept. 2 when his dispatcher called with an urgent government job: Pick up 20 tons of ice in Greenville, Pa., and take it to Carthage, Mo., a staging area for the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Mr. Kostinec, 40, a driver for Universe Truck Lines of Omaha, was happy to help with the crisis. But at Carthage, instead of unloading, he was told to take his 2,000 bags of ice on to Montgomery, Ala.

After a day and a half in Montgomery, he was sent to Camp Shelby, in Mississippi. From there, on Sept. 8, he was waved onward to Selma, Ala. And after two days in Selma he was redirected to Emporia, Va., along with scores of other frustrated drivers who had been following similarly circuitous routes.

At Emporia, Mr. Kostinec sat for an entire week, his trailer burning fuel around the clock to keep the ice frozen, as FEMA officials studied whether supplies originally purchased for Hurricane Katrina might be used for Hurricane Ophelia. But in the end only 3 of about 150 ice trucks were sent to North Carolina, he said. So on Sept. 17, Mr. Kostinec headed to Fremont, Neb., where he unloaded his ice into a government-rented storage freezer the next day.

"I dragged that ice around for 4,100 miles, and it never got used," Mr. Kostinec said. A former mortgage broker and Enron computer technician, he had learned to roll with the punches, and he was pleased to earn $4,500 for the trip, double his usual paycheck. He was perplexed, however, by the government's apparent bungling.

"They didn't seem to know how much ice they were buying and how much they were using," he said. "All the truckers said the money was good. But we were upset about not being able to help."

In the chaotic aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Mr. Kostinec's government-ordered meandering was not unusual. Partly because of the mass evacuation forced by Hurricane Katrina, and partly because of what an inspector general's report this week called a broken system for tracking goods at FEMA, the agency ordered far more ice than could be distributed to people who needed it.

Over about a week after the storm, FEMA ordered 211 million pounds of ice for Hurricane Katrina, said Rob Holland, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers, which buys the ice that FEMA requests under a contract with IAP Worldwide Services of Cape Canaveral, Fla.

Officials eventually realized that that much ice was overkill, and managed to cancel some of the orders. But the 182 million pounds actually supplied turned out to be far more than could be delivered to victims.

In the end, Mr. Holland said, 59 percent of the ice was trucked to storage freezers all over the country to await the next disaster; some has been used for Hurricane Rita.

Of $200 million originally set aside for ice purchases, the bill for the Hurricane Katrina purchases so far is more than $100 million - and climbing, Mr. Holland said. Under the ice contract, the government pays about $12,000 to buy a 20-ton truckload of ice, delivered to its original destination. If it is moved farther, the price is $2.60 a mile, and a day of waiting costs up to $900, Mr. Holland said.

Those numbers add up fast, and reports like Mr. Kostinec's have stirred concern on Capitol Hill, as more wearying evidence of the federal government's incoherent response to the catastrophe.

At a hearing on Wednesday, Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, expressed astonishment that many truckloads of ice had ended up in storage 1,600 miles from the Hurricane Katrina damage zone in her state, apparently because the storage contractor, AmeriCold Logistics, had run out of space farther south.

"The American taxpayers, and especially the Katrina victims, cannot endure this kind of wasteful spending," Ms. Collins said.

Asked about trips like Mr. Kostinec's, Nicol Andrews, a FEMA spokeswoman, said: "He was put on call for a need and the need was not realized, so he went home. Any reasonable person recognizes the fact that it makes sense to prepare for the worst, hope for the best and place your resources where they may be needed."

Unlike an ordinary hurricane, which may leave a large population in still-habitable housing but without power for days or weeks, Hurricane Katrina destroyed neighborhoods and led to unprecedented evacuation, Ms. Andrews said.

"The population we ordered the ice for had been dispersed," she said, "which is good, because they are out of harm's way."

Ms. Andrews said FEMA realized it must improve its monitoring of essential items [ No shit! ]. The new report by the homeland security inspector general says that after last year's hurricanes million of dollars of ice was left unused in Florida because FEMA had "no automated way to coordinate quantities of commodities with the people available to accept and distribute them."

[ This article is two pages long. To read the rest of the article, go here (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/02/national/nationalspecial/02ice.html?pagewanted=2&th&emc=th). ]
Freedomstaki
02-10-2005, 16:20
Heh. What do you expect from the same agency (under a diffrent name and smaller and split as the Office of Civil Defense) that told us to hide under our desks when a nuke went off?
Jeruselem
02-10-2005, 16:24
Heh. What do you expect from the same agency (under a diffrent name and smaller and split as the Office of Civil Defense) that told us to hide under our desks when a nuke went off?

Ah, the "Duck and Cover" tactic.
Eutrusca
02-10-2005, 16:30
Heh. What do you expect from the same agency (under a diffrent name and smaller and split as the Office of Civil Defense) that told us to hide under our desks when a nuke went off?
Not much. :(
Eutrusca
02-10-2005, 16:31
Ah, the "Duck and Cover" tactic.
Which was actually about all you could do, unfortunately. :(
Jeruselem
02-10-2005, 16:34
Which was actually about all you could do, unfortunately. :(

More likely the "Sit and Pray to God for help" tactic ... :confused:
New Foxxinnia
02-10-2005, 16:36
Was FEMA designed to be completely useless?
Eutrusca
02-10-2005, 16:38
More likely the "Sit and Pray to God for help" tactic ... :confused:
Close. It depends on whether you have "faith" or not. :)
Eutrusca
02-10-2005, 16:39
Was FEMA designed to be completely useless?
Close. It was designed as a dumping-ground for political appointees with few or no skills, apparently. :(
The Lone Alliance
02-10-2005, 16:39
Man what morons, I'd have sent the ice anyway. Better to have too much ice AT THE SCENE then any.

Ah, the "Duck and Cover" tactic.
More like the 'Duck and kiss you butt goodbye tactic'
Eutrusca
02-10-2005, 16:42
Man what morons, I'd have sent the ice anyway. Better to have too much ice AT THE SCENE then any.
Better than what actually happened, for sure! Sigh. :(
Teh_pantless_hero
02-10-2005, 16:43
Yeah, its not like ice doesn't melt into water or anything
Eutrusca
02-10-2005, 16:46
Yeah, its not like ice doesn't melt into water or anything
Heh! Now you're expecting these idiots to actually make sense! Tsk! ;)
Jeruselem
02-10-2005, 16:48
Yeah, its not like ice doesn't melt into water or anything

That's if they have a place to store clean water in the first place, if they have planned for that (not likely).
Eutrusca
02-10-2005, 16:49
That's if they have a place to store clean water in the first place, if they have planned for that (not likely).
:headbang:
Teh_pantless_hero
02-10-2005, 16:52
That's if they have a place to store clean water in the first place, if they have planned for that (not likely).
There is always bottles and stuff like that...
Khadgar
02-10-2005, 16:58
After Emporia Virginia the ice and water got re-directed again to Strasburg Virginia and finally offloaded at Americold. They had over 100 truck loads of water and ice there two weeks ago Saturday.

I work in the trucking business, this is why we don't do FEMA work. Yeah it's great money, but you're stuck hauling it all over hell for weeks.
Eutrusca
02-10-2005, 17:06
After Emporia Virginia the ice and water got re-directed again to Strasburg Virginia and finally offloaded at Americold. They had over 100 truck loads of water and ice there two weeks ago Saturday.

I work in the trucking business, this is why we don't do FEMA work. Yeah it's great money, but you're stuck hauling it all over hell for weeks.
I rest my case. :(
Freedomstaki
02-10-2005, 17:07
Before Katrina, they didn't really much else, didn't help with the forest fires that happened in that time. I didn't see anything of them LAST HURRICANE SEASON or the SEASON BEFORE THAT.

Really, the only thing they've done was a logo change from their own special logo to now "DHS-owned and operated"

Before:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/Femasealc.jpg/140px-Femasealc.jpg

After:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/New_fema_logo.gif

The little white triangle of civil defense is gone now from that logo and replaced by the DHS logo... which is funny, HOMELAND SECURITY IS CIVIL DEFENSE!
Eutrusca
02-10-2005, 17:08
Before Katrina, they didn't really much else, didn't help with the forest fires that happened in that time. I didn't see anything of them LAST HURRICANE SEASON or the SEASON BEFORE THAT.

Really, the only thing they've done was a logo change from their own special logo to now "DHS-owned and operated"

Before:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/Femasealc.jpg/140px-Femasealc.jpg

After:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/New_fema_logo.gif

The little white triangle of civil defense is gone now from that logo and replaced by the DHS logo... which is funny, HOMELAND SECURITY IS CIVIL DEFENSE!
Rather like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. :(
Non Aligned States
02-10-2005, 17:22
So other than a black hole for money and the wasting of resources, is there any point to having FEMA at all? Physical reality in contrast to it's goals that is.
Eutrusca
02-10-2005, 17:26
So other than a black hole for money and the wasting of resources, is there any point to having FEMA at all? Physical reality in contrast to it's goals that is.
As it stands right now? Not that I can see. Toss out the entire thing and start over from scratch ... and pass a frakkin' law that it can't be used as a dumping ground for political appointees! :mad:
Gymoor II The Return
02-10-2005, 17:29
That's the story of the Bush administration in a nutshell: Spend more doing less.
Vetalia
02-10-2005, 17:32
That's the story of the Bush administration in a nutshell: Spend more doing less.

That's the story of every administration since the Great Society was implemented. It led to the idea of throwing money at problems was established as sacred doctrine by both parties.
Non Aligned States
02-10-2005, 17:34
That's the story of every administration since the Great Society was implemented. It led to the idea of throwing money at problems was established as sacred doctrine by both parties.

Hmmm, that gives me an idea.

*Becomes an annoyance and a problem to the administration*

*Gets money thrown at*

I'm rich!! :)
Gymoor II The Return
02-10-2005, 17:36
That's the story of every administration since the Great Society was implemented. It led to the idea of throwing money at problems was established as sacred doctrine by both parties.

Yes, but Bush has elevated it to a previously unseen height.
Vetalia
02-10-2005, 17:36
Hmmm, that gives me an idea.
*Becomes an annoyance and a problem to the administration*

*Gets money thrown at*
I'm rich!! :)

And now you know how pork projects are allocated. ;)
Non Aligned States
02-10-2005, 17:42
And now you know how pork projects are allocated. ;)

Reminds me of this line.

Person: I just sold my soul to the Devil

Devil: Sure you did, but you won't miss it. Not with all this money! Ha! Ha!

Person: I sure won't!

But honestly, with all of this obvious mismanagement, what do you think will happen? Will FEMA heads roll and some real cleanup occur or will we see more of the usual "throw enough bullshit in the air until they forget about it" move?
CanuckHeaven
02-10-2005, 17:59
This tune starts running through my brain:

"Did you stop? no -- I just drove by
Kept on pursuing to the next stop
I busted a left and I’m heading to the next block
That block was dead"

Ice, Ice baby.....