NationStates Jolt Archive

You have to show a picture ID to fly on an airplane. In many places, you have to show a picture ID when you pay with a check. In some places, you have to show a picture ID when making a credit card purchase. Heck, they will even provide it free to poor people. So, what is wrong with requiring someone to show a picture ID when voting?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170958,00.html

You have to show a picture ID to fly on an airplane. In many places, you have to show a picture ID when you pay with a check. In some places, you have to show a picture ID when making a credit card purchase. Heck, they will even provide it free to poor people. So, what is wrong with requiring someone to show a picture ID when voting?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170958,00.html
As stated, it makes a barrier for those who are poor and cannot afford both the time and money it takes to gain a photo ID. And yes, they do give it away, but the news article also noted that for all of Georgia, there's only 59 offices to do so. If you're poor and you cannot take the time off to travel all day to get one...

Your examples are also for things that, if you don't have money, you can't do either so it makes no sense.

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So you can afford to jump on the bus and vote, but not to jump on the bus to the DMV and get your free picture ID? Sorry, I don't buy that argument.

Well, let's see... What does this issue mean to me? Well, it means that they won't get my name confused with my father's anymore (The same name, down to the middle and confirmation name), which they have for the past two elections. So, I guess I support this.

So what the Original Poster is effectively arguing for, is a national Identity Card.

And since everybody is aware of the limitations of photographic authentication, will this Identity Card also have biometric information, viz fingerprints and retinal scan information?

You have to show a picture ID to fly on an airplane. In many places, you have to show a picture ID when you pay with a check. In some places, you have to show a picture ID when making a credit card purchase. Heck, they will even provide it free to poor people. So, what is wrong with requiring someone to show a picture ID when voting?
Nothing's really wrong with it, but it's unneccessary.

So you can afford to jump on the bus and vote, but not to jump on the bus to the DMV and get your free picture ID? Sorry, I don't buy that argument.
Polling places tend to be within the neighborhood of the people being polled, DMVs are not nearly so nicely distrbuted. As the news article mentions, Atlanta residence in this case have to go to the bloody suburbs to get to their DMV.

And with the new laws coming into effect on the documentation needed to gain access to a state issued ID, it's going to take a day, plus documentation the poor may not have handy to get one.

You're in effect disenfranchising people who are not affluent enough to have ready transportation, documentation, and the ability to take a day off to wade through the state burocratic nightmare called the DMV.

Thank you, no. There's got to be a better way to set this up.

You have to show a picture ID to fly on an airplane. In many places, you have to show a picture ID when you pay with a check. In some places, you have to show a picture ID when making a credit card purchase. Heck, they will even provide it free to poor people. So, what is wrong with requiring someone to show a picture ID when voting?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170958,00.html
no prob. maybe they should have photo ID vans that go into poor neighborhoods to help them get ID's kinda like they have vaccination vans that do the same thing so that poor people can get thier vaccinations....

Polling places tend to be within the neighborhood of the people being polled, DMVs are not nearly so nicely distrbuted. As the news article mentions, Atlanta residence in this case have to go to the bloody suburbs to get to their DMV.

And with the new laws coming into effect on the documentation needed to gain access to a state issued ID, it's going to take a day, plus documentation the poor may not have handy to get one.

You're in effect disenfranchising people who are not affluent enough to have ready transportation, documentation, and the ability to take a day off to wade through the state burocratic nightmare called the DMV.

Thank you, no. There's got to be a better way to set this up.

Well, let's back up for a sec. Are there not people that should be disenfranchised? Convicted felons certainly have been disenfranchised, but what about people on public assistance? Should someone that pays no tax dollars be entitled to decide where tax dollars go? I would say they don't have a vested interest in the matter and should rightfully be excluded. What about the homeless? Should someone that has no ties to a community be allowed to have a say in how a community is run?

Having said that, I can see where picture IDs could be abused. Why not just use election day as an excuse to set up a giant sting operation?

You have to show a picture ID to fly on an airplane. In many places, you have to show a picture ID when you pay with a check. In some places, you have to show a picture ID when making a credit card purchase. Heck, they will even provide it free to poor people. So, what is wrong with requiring someone to show a picture ID when voting?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170958,00.html
Answer: nothing! But given the frakkin' ideological approach to politics that most politicians take, it's unlikely this will happen. :headbang:

Are there not people that should be disenfranchised? Convicted felons certainly have been disenfranchised, but what about people on public assistance? Should someone that pays no tax dollars be entitled to decide where tax dollars go? I would say they don't have a vested interest in the matter and should rightfully be excluded. What about the homeless? Should someone that has no ties to a community be allowed to have a say in how a community is run?

Having said that, I can see where picture IDs could be abused. Why not just use election day as an excuse to set up a giant sting operation?
I don't pay any taxes. :p

I think the "sting operation" is a great idea! :D

So what the Original Poster is effectively arguing for, is a national Identity Card.

And since everybody is aware of the limitations of photographic authentication, will this Identity Card also have biometric information, viz fingerprints and retinal scan information?

No, I am not arguing for a national identity card. What I am arguing for is an acceptable means of positive voter identification on the state level. This will help cut down on voter fraud. I am surprised that some liberals who holler "voter fraud" are against measures to prevent it.

Answer: nothing! But given the frakkin' ideological approach to politics that most politicians take, it's unlikely this will happen. :headbang:

The Oklahoma legislature is working on a bill to require photo ID for voting. We had a City Council election here in Tulsa that was voided because of voter fraud.

" So, what is wrong with requiring someone to show a picture ID when voting? "

Nothing is wrong with it, that I am aware of.

You need photo ID here to vote. They only accept a UK Drivers licence, a UK Electoral Card, or an EU country passport.

Seems to be a good idea.

No, I am not arguing for a national identity card. What I am arguing for is an acceptable means of positive voter identification on the state level. This will help cut down on voter fraud. I am surprised that some liberals who holler "voter fraud" are against measures to prevent it.

I know a guy that can get me a decent fake ID for about $150. Now say I've got $150,000 in campaign contributions and a list of people who are not registered to vote.

So you can afford to jump on the bus and vote, but not to jump on the bus to the DMV and get your free picture ID? Sorry, I don't buy that argument.

Well, let's see... What does this issue mean to me? Well, it means that they won't get my name confused with my father's anymore (The same name, down to the middle and confirmation name), which they have for the past two elections. So, I guess I support this.
You must have extraordinary DMV's where you are. They SUCK in California. People have spent their entire *day* at the DMV trying to get their issues sorted and take their pictures. There's a separate line for pictures, isn't that insane?

You want people that can probably not get a day off normally to somehow take one and then take a bus out to a DMV to spend the day to get a picture ID? They need to offer this at more places, like a police station, school, somewhere local to people.

You have to show a picture ID to fly on an airplane. In many places, you have to show a picture ID when you pay with a check. In some places, you have to show a picture ID when making a credit card purchase. Heck, they will even provide it free to poor people. So, what is wrong with requiring someone to show a picture ID when voting?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170958,00.htmlWell, I wouldn't know what it's like in the US, since I'm not going to pay for a plane ticket to cast my ballot. In Germany, however, you have to show a picture ID to vote. No ID, no vote.

I know a guy that can get me a decent fake ID for about $150. Now say I've got $150,000 in campaign contributions and a list of people who are not registered to vote.
Bush serves a third term???

You have to be register to vote.. so why show ID...?

You have to be register to vote.. so why show ID...?
To help prove that you actually are the person who registered...