An Oral History of Hypocrisy
Gymoor II The Return
02-10-2005, 09:24
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,615154461,00.html
So, is this a case of hypocrisy, politics as usual, or good fund-raising? Perhaps all of the above?
BackwoodsSquatches
02-10-2005, 09:34
Orrin Hatch is a douchebag, basically.
The fact that he's taken money from Big Tobacco and alchohol businesses, just outlines his douchebaggery.
Opposed to such things of vice, but willing to accept thier money to get elected, and in return, make laws that allow it possible to peddle posion.
Mind you, this is not to imply that only Republican politicians accept soft-money donations.
Many of the famous "high stakes players" senators and congressmen do.'
This case is important becuase Hatch is a very-right wing Conservative nutbag, its irony.
Sweet delicious irony.
Gymoor II The Return
02-10-2005, 09:37
When looking at the Democrats' corruption, cronyism and greed, the Republicans sing, "Anything you can do, I can do better!"
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,615154461,00.html
So, is this a case of hypocrisy, politics as usual, or good fund-raising? Perhaps all of the above?Heheh... It would have been funny if the ice tea (or coffee) industry had chipped in too...:p
BackwoodsSquatches
02-10-2005, 09:50
When looking at the Democrats' corruption, cronyism and greed, the Republicans sing, "Anything you can do, I can do better!"
Clinton: "No you cant!"
Bush: "Yes I can!"
Clinton: " No you cant!"
Bush: "Yes I can, yes I can, yes I Caaaaaaaaaaan!"
Washington: The Musical!
Oops there goes another rubber tree plant.
Gymoor II The Return
03-10-2005, 03:07
If only they could use their powers for good.
Eutrusca
03-10-2005, 03:13
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,615154461,00.html
So, is this a case of hypocrisy, politics as usual, or good fund-raising? Perhaps all of the above?
As usual, there are absolutely no Democrats who ever take money from coporate interests, or are caught in questionable campaign practices, or are caught with call-girls, or any of a thousand sorts of trouble. :rolleyes:
Id definitely buy tickets to Washington: The Musical
Oddly, I now feel a strong desire to watch The Producers...
Gymoor II The Return
03-10-2005, 03:28
As usual, there are absolutely no Democrats who ever take money from coporate interests, or are caught in questionable campaign practices, or are caught with call-girls, or any of a thousand sorts of trouble. :rolleyes:
Of course there are. Almost all politicians are dirty, it seems to me. If you have an example of a Democrat being as hypocritical as this, though, I'd love to read it and I'll join you in laughing at said Democrat for the nitwit he/she is. What makes this so outrageous is the dichotomy between the public persona Hatch attempts to project and the dirty dealing he (and almost all other Washington insiders,) engages in.
The point is that this guy takes the most money from specific special interests that he, according to his faith, considers intrinsically immoral. Now, as there can be no doubt that those interests would like something in return, Hatch is actively encouraging the prosperity of things he, as a member of the Church of LDS, considers wrong.
In the same breath that some (not you, necessarily,) would excuse this, they criticize Kerry, for example, for saying he would not let his faith dictate how he legislates.
Eutrusca
03-10-2005, 03:30
Of course there are. Almost all politicians are dirty, it seems to me. If you have an example of a Democrat being as hypocritical as this, though, I'd love to read it and I'll join you in laughing at said Democrat for the nitwit he/she is. What makes this so outrageous is the dichotomy between the public persona Hatch attempts to project and the dirty dealing he (and almost all other Washington insiders,) engages in.
The point is that this guy takes the most money from specific special interests that he, according to his faith, considers intrinsically immoral. Now, as there can be no doubt that those interests would like something in return, Hatch is actively encouraging the prosperity of things he, as a member of the Church of LDS, considers wrong.
In the same breath that some (not you, necessarily,) would excuse this, they criticize Kerry, for example, for saying he would not let his faith dictate how he legislates.
Hipocracsy knows no borders, religions, races or politics. :)
Dobbsworld
03-10-2005, 03:33
Hipocracsy knows no borders, religions, races or politics. :)
It knows income, though.
Eutrusca
03-10-2005, 03:55
It knows income, though.
Oh? Do tell. :)
Dobbsworld
03-10-2005, 04:01
Oh? Do tell. :)
Ah, you want information?
You won't get it, No. 2.
(and knowing what I'm paraphrasing, you say...?)
Eutrusca
03-10-2005, 04:03
Ah, you want information?
You won't get it, No. 2.
(and knowing what I'm paraphrasing, you say...?)
Make it so, you frakkin' dweeb! ROFLMAO!
Dobbsworld
03-10-2005, 04:10
Make it so, you frakkin' dweeb! ROFLMAO!
Erm... not quite, though I'll give you points for trying. The correct answer would have been,
"By hook, or by crook, we shall."
(As I was paraphrasing the dialogue from the opening credits of "The Prisoner" with Patrick McGoohan. I was leaving the voice of No. 2 to you, Eut. You'd probably look great sitting in one of those egg chairs under the Blue Dome in the Village, you know?)
And yes, you've caught me. I am now, and always have been, a member of the Dweebist Party. I was first contacted...
Lacadaemon
03-10-2005, 04:13
Ah, you want information?
You won't get it, No. 2.
(and knowing what I'm paraphrasing, you say...?)
The prisoner. The worlds most surreal TV show.
Eutrusca
03-10-2005, 04:15
The prisoner. The worlds most surreal TV show.
Never saw it. :(
Lacadaemon
03-10-2005, 04:33
Never saw it. :(
It either Patrick McGoohan's masterpiece, or a nonsensical piece of rubbish, depending on who you ask.
It was cancelled during it's first season.
Dobbsworld
03-10-2005, 04:37
The prisoner. The worlds most surreal TV show.
Yeah, a fave. Last episode (Fallout) is the best.
Never saw it.
It's worthwhile. Might appeal to you, to. It's one man's struggle to maintain his individuality in the face of an imposed collectivism. Every episode the minders of "The Village" attempt to somehow extract information from the main character, who we know only as No. 6, a kidnapped former secret agent for British Intelligence who abruptly resigned his post without explanation. We never see No.1, but a string of No. 2s tries episode after episode to break his will and learn the truth behind his resignation.
And it really is pretty surreal. If you want to be challenged while you're entertained, try it out. I'll recommend the first episode and the last two, in order, initially. See if you can dig it. The last episode is just too frickin' intensely cool and weird, so much so that I am moved to fetch it and play it now on my computer.
Sorry to have hijacked this thread. I'll go amuse myself instead.
Be seeing you-!
Dobbsworld
03-10-2005, 04:39
It either Patrick McGoohan's masterpiece, or a nonsensical piece of rubbish, depending on who you ask.
It was cancelled during it's first season.
No it wasn't cancelled. It ran seventeen episodes, the last ten of which McGoohan really didn't feel up to doing (and it kinda shows). After he finished up, he took off to live a simple life in Switzerland, thinking he'd destroyed his career with the show. Eventually he realized it was a cult hit, and ended up living in California.
Gymoor II The Return
03-10-2005, 04:48
No it wasn't cancelled. It ran seventeen episodes, the last ten of which McGoohan really didn't feel up to doing (and it kinda shows). After he finished up, he took off to live a simple life in Switzerland, thinking he'd destroyed his career with the show. Eventually he realized it was a cult hit, and ended up living in California.
Rover = least scary monster ever.
Hipocracsy knows no borders, religions, races or politics. :)
Partly because "hipcracsy" doesn't exist.
Hypocrisy, on the other hand.... :rolleyes:
Dobbsworld
03-10-2005, 05:05
Rover = least scary monster ever.
That's as may be, but the scariest monster was diminished individuality and the eventual Village-ification of all modern nation-states. A sort of all-pervasive evil cloying "mall culture".
The rovers? Yeah, they're awfully dumb.
The rest of it is terrific, though.
Please move along
03-10-2005, 07:14
Of course there are. Almost all politicians are dirty, it seems to me. If you have an example of a Democrat being as hypocritical as this, though, I'd love to read it and I'll join you in laughing at said Democrat for the nitwit he/she is. What makes this so outrageous is the dichotomy between the public persona Hatch attempts to project and the dirty dealing he (and almost all other Washington insiders,) engages in.
The point is that this guy takes the most money from specific special interests that he, according to his faith, considers intrinsically immoral. Now, as there can be no doubt that those interests would like something in return, Hatch is actively encouraging the prosperity of things he, as a member of the Church of LDS, considers wrong.
In the same breath that some (not you, necessarily,) would excuse this, they criticize Kerry, for example, for saying he would not let his faith dictate how he legislates.
Kennedy and his views on what Supreme Court nominees have and don't have to answer.
I didn't know, btw, that taking money from special interest groups was concidered "dirty dealing". Maybe it should be... but with the climate in washington now...
And I don't remember (mind you, my memory isn't the sharpest it's been) Kerry being criticized for saying he wouldn't let his faith dictate how he legislates. I do remember him being criticized for saying he was agaisnt abortion to a church group, and for abortion to different group.. but that is for a different thread.
Gymoor II The Return
03-10-2005, 07:46
Kennedy and his views on what Supreme Court nominees have and don't have to answer.
I didn't know, btw, that taking money from special interest groups was concidered "dirty dealing". Maybe it should be... but with the climate in washington now...
And I don't remember (mind you, my memory isn't the sharpest it's been) Kerry being criticized for saying he wouldn't let his faith dictate how he legislates. I do remember him being criticized for saying he was agaisnt abortion to a church group, and for abortion to different group.. but that is for a different thread.
If you can, I'd like you to dig up a quote where Kerry said he was for abortion. I have a suspicion (which your quote will dispel,) that Kerry said something more like, "I support a woman's right to choose," which is quite different than being "for abortion."
How are Kennedy's views on what SC nominees should have to answer inherently hypocritical?