NationStates Jolt Archive

Did you know that both the Sovet Union's and the United State's anthem had the same tune?

It is possible both to sing the Soviet Union's anthem using the music for the "star-spangled banner" as well as singing the "Star-Spangled banner" using the music for the Soviet Union's anthem.

pwned!

Here is the American music:

http://www.seaborne-intl.com/sounds/midi/UNITED-S.MP3

Here is the Russian music:

http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~makarov/temporary_url_20050704hnbdv/anthem-russia-2000-instr-state_symph_orch_2002.mp3

Clearly America stole it from the Soviets.

you interupted my lovely jazz for that nationalistic nonsense? grrrr :mad:

you interupted my lovely jazz for that nationalistic nonsense? grrrr :mad:

How dare he force you to click that link!

Did you know that both the Sovet Union's and the United State's anthem had the same tune?

It is possible both to sing the Soviet Union's anthem using the music for the "star-spangled banner" as well as singing the "Star-Spangled banner" using the music for the Soviet Union's anthem.

pwned!

Here is the American music:

http://www.seaborne-intl.com/sounds/midi/UNITED-S.MP3

Here is the Russian music:

http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~makarov/temporary_url_20050704hnbdv/anthem-russia-2000-instr-state_symph_orch_2002.mp3
The problem here is that you seem to be tone-deaf. :rolleyes:

Aren't we prolific tonight, Serapindal?

Hate to say it, they sound nothing alike.

The problem here is that you seem to be tone-deaf. :rolleyes:

Tone-Deaf, and I've been playing an instrument regulary since 4th grade. Bwahaha.

Ok, saying they sound the same is like saying moo is moo spelled backwards. Which means they dont.... Not even close.

Tone-Deaf, and I've been playing an instrument regulary since 4th grade. Bwahaha.

Let me guess, the Kazoo?

Ok, saying they sound the same is like saying moo is moo spelled backwards. Which means they dont.... Not even close.
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Oh shit he's right! :eek:

Ok, saying they sound the same is like saying moo is moo spelled backwards. Which means they dont.... Not even close.
So what you are saying is that the Soviet tune uses the American tune, but palyed backwards? Is that like one of those satanic record things where playing the Beetles backward causes your soul to be ripped out and fed to Ringo Starr?

So what you are saying is that the Soviet tune uses the American tune, but palyed backwards? Is that like one of those satanic record things where playing the Beetles backward causes your soul to be ripped out and fed to Ringo Starr?

Maybe..... :P

You all are deaf, they are exactly the same.

You all are deaf, they are exactly the same.
What's that? You'll have to speak up!
I haven't been able to understand peoplee so well since Ringo Starr stole my soul. It seems that my philosophy teacher was wrong, religion and freewill aren't extensions of the human soul, rather your teeth and ear drums are.

How dare he force you to click that link!
damn mind control, thats what it is... grrr :mad:

Tone-Deaf, and I've been playing an instrument regulary since 4th grade. Bwahaha.
Well, if you think those two anthems are the same tune, I'm delighted I didn't have to hear you. :D

Did you know that both the Sovet Union's and the United State's anthem had the same tune?

It is possible both to sing the Soviet Union's anthem using the music for the "star-spangled banner" as well as singing the "Star-Spangled banner" using the music for the Soviet Union's anthem.

pwned!

Here is the American music:

http://www.seaborne-intl.com/sounds/midi/UNITED-S.MP3

Here is the Russian music:

http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~makarov/temporary_url_20050704hnbdv/anthem-russia-2000-instr-state_symph_orch_2002.mp3

Those are so not the same it makes me want to scratch my left testicle in honor of you.

They have their similarities, but identical? I don't think so.

Gasp!
National anthems sound vaugly similar!
SHOCK! AMAZEMENT!

Gasp!
National anthems sound vaugly similar!
SHOCK! AMAZEMENT!
You forgot AWE!, so you're ePenis has just shrunk to the size of a raisin and you have lost the Interweb. So, sorry, but that is how it works, play again next time.

Remember kids, you can't have SHOCK without AWE just like you can't have salt without pepper, Batman without the Batmobile, and hookers without blow.

Gasp!
National anthems sound vaugly similar!
SHOCK! AMAZEMENT!

I never could figure out why that was. Even anthems from places like Congo or Sri lanka have that same sound to them with the same instruments. You'd think there'd be sitars or congas or something.

you interupted my lovely jazz for that nationalistic nonsense? grrrr :mad:

that's what you get for listening to jazz

I will say that's the best recording of the Soviet National Anthem I have heard though.

I think I might need some help on this one though:
Now that it's Russia and not the Soviet Union, did they get rid of the lyrics completely or did they change them to remove the references to communism and Lenin?

The song has been around for a very long time - I have both the instrumental and the very nice version with lyrics sung by the Russian Naval Choir. Very stirring anthem. I also have a good copy of the US anthem, and anyone who thinks they are identical is letting lieberalism deafen thier ears. They use the same insutruments, but are nothing alike. Both are stirring peices of music, as anthems are supposed to be, (except Israel - doleful, mournful song), and both are easy to listen to.
The only song the US "ripped off" was God Bless America, which was God Save the Queen, or something like that. You still have a queen, right? No king yet?

I will say that's the best recording of the Soviet National Anthem I have heard though.

I think I might need some help on this one though:
Now that it's Russia and not the Soviet Union, did they get rid of the lyrics completely or did they change them to remove the references to communism and Lenin?

I think they changed the lyrics completely.

I don't think much of the Russian government, but I have to say the Russian anthem is the most beautiful anthem I've heard (and I've heard most). The only one that comes close is Israel's (another country whose government I don't much care for, incidentally).

Clearly America stole it from the Soviets.
Actually we stole the tune from some drunk Brits...

The same, eh? They sound nothing alike.

Here's Israel's, vocal version: http://www.national-anthems.net/web/find.webpage?from=real&what=v_israel&id=IS

(Instrumental: http://www.national-anthems.net/web/find.webpage?from=real&what=israel&id=IS )

This is the vocal version of the Russian anthem: http://www.national-anthems.net/web/find.webpage?from=real&what=v_russia_new&id=RS

I never could figure out why that was. Even anthems from places like Congo or Sri lanka have that same sound to them with the same instruments. You'd think there'd be sitars or congas or something.

If you want something that sounds different, try Turkmenistan. Over there, everything's weird, including the anthem. :D

http://www.national-anthems.net/web/find.webpage?from=real&what=NanthemTurkmenistan_inst_&id=TX

Did you know that both the Sovet Union's and the United State's anthem had the same tune?

They don't. End of story.

They are completely different. I mean, really. I don't see how you could confuse them.

They are completely different. I mean, really. I don't see how you could confuse them.

Well, maybe if he's deaf in one ear, is tone-deaf to begin with, and was listening to his TV, radio, and both national anthems simultaneously, then he might be able to confuse them.

Here's Israel's, vocal version: http://www.national-anthems.net/web/find.webpage?from=real&what=v_israel&id=IS

(Instrumental: http://www.national-anthems.net/web/find.webpage?from=real&what=israel&id=IS )

This is the vocal version of the Russian anthem: http://www.national-anthems.net/web/find.webpage?from=real&what=v_russia_new&id=RS

Israel's Anthem - whoa. I was actually moved to tears listening to that. Good site, btw.

As far as the Russian National Anthem goes, I think I like what they did with the lyrics. I didn't translate all of it, but I liked the last part:
Нам силу дает наша верность Отчизне.
Так было, так есть, и так будет всегда!

Translation:
Our loyalty to our native land gives us strength.
That's the way it's been, that's the way it is, and that's the way it always will be.

USA:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/saintmaggot/usa.jpg

USSR:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/saintmaggot/ussr.jpg

Please note how the Star Spangled Banner is in triple meter, while the USSR anthem is in duple or quadruple meter.

Please also note how the melodies i.e, the 'tune' are not the same. The Star Spangled Banner begins with simply all the notes of a completed major triad. The USSR changes chords entirely, seemingly from major to minor, and it's melody doesn't just follow chord-tones.

Now it MIGHT be possible to sing one anthem with the other's music. But I doubt it sounds very good. And let's hear an example of that shall we, maybe we can all decide for ourselves. And in any case, you can switch lyrics and cram them into other music all the time, it doesn't mean its the same tune. Rather, it's putting a square into a circle or vice versa. You can MAKE it fit but that doesn't mean a square is a circle.

Well, Serapindal, aside from not having much of an ear for rythem or tone, you have, at least, provided me with a very nice recording of the Soviet national anthem. Thanks.

Did you know that both the Sovet Union's and the United State's anthem had the same tune?

It is possible both to sing the Soviet Union's anthem using the music for the "star-spangled banner" as well as singing the "Star-Spangled banner" using the music for the Soviet Union's anthem.

pwned!

Here is the American music:

http://www.seaborne-intl.com/sounds/midi/UNITED-S.MP3

Here is the Russian music:

http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~makarov/temporary_url_20050704hnbdv/anthem-russia-2000-instr-state_symph_orch_2002.mp3

Well, for someone who claims to have had music instruction, such instruction seems not to have had much true musical (that is, literally music) instruction involved in it....

They are not "the same tune" the two are different tunes.... However, both songs are written in the same meter (alexandrian, or a 3-4 repeating meter), and would be interchangable with any song written in such meter. However, same meter =/= same tune. The musical score and style's are different.... You can also interchange the lyrics of Amazing Grace and the theme to Giligan's Island (being of the same meter); this does not mean they are the same "tune"... "Tune" and "meter" are different musical constructs...

Nothing alike