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A response to the racism being exibited in another thread.

Yes, I think we have long been over the "kill everyone and there will be no more problems".

Yes, I think we have long been over the "kill everyone and there will be no more problems".

I'm not suggesting kill everyone, just whitey. ;)

Detonate every nuclear weapon at once. Problem solved.

how about we ban abortion, that way no babies are killed, then we can enforce the law... makes sense.. only criminals get punished, not good people...

Not much of a response, really.

If you kill thw whites, the others will still kill eachother. The Shiite and Sunni muslims will still wage massive holy wars against eachother in the name of a religion that preaches peace. The black and latino gangs will still kill eachother. The only way to achieve world piece would be to nuke everyone. Yep. Haven't seen a nuking since Nagasaki. Maybe we can attach a billion rockets to the moon and send it crashing into the world. Yep. World piece would be messy.

A response to the racism being exibited in another thread.
Except that there is no statistical precedent for this. The kill black babies comment was factually accurate, no blacks would lower the crime rate. However, you could also kill all males and reduce the occurence of rape, or elminate India and stop Baliwood forever.
Are we going to do this? No, because the benefits would be massively outweighed by the cost.

If you kill thw whites, the others will still kill eachother. The Shiite and Sunni muslims will still wage massive holy wars against eachother in the name of a religion that preaches peace. The black and latino gangs will still kill eachother. The only way to achieve world piece would be to nuke everyone. Yep. Haven't seen a nuking since Nagasaki. Maybe we can attach a billion rockets to the moon and send it crashing into the world. Yep. World piece would be messy.

It could be argued that the black and latino gangs are fighting because they have been squeezed into a ghetto by the white man.

Except that there is no statistical precedent for this. The kill black babies comment was factually accurate, no blacks would lower the crime rate. However, you could also kill all males and reduce the occurence of rape, or elminate India and stop Baliwood forever.
Are we going to do this? No, because the benefits would be massively outweighed by the cost.

If there was statistical information would the prevailing white governments of the world release it?

If there was statistical information would the prevailing white governments of the world release it?

Just look at the wars that occured between groups of nonwhites and you have all the statistical precedent you need to determine that this allegation is untrue.

as Maddox would say "I'm anti-abortion but pro killing babies" so there you have it kill all those who call you old man (it's why I'm so young :D )

as Maddox would say "I'm anti-abortion but pro killing babies" so there you have it kill all those who call you old man (it's why I'm so young :D )

Vote Regressive. Against abortion, for killing babies.

It could be argued that the black and latino gangs are fighting because they have been squeezed into a ghetto by the white man.

Racists fighting other racists against racism? My, that's almost ironic.

Bad idea. Even if you hate white people and feel Caucasians should be eliminated from the face of the earth, you get into the sticky business of how "white" a fetus has to be to be aborted. Can you be born if you're 1/2 white? If you're 1/4 white?...

It could be argued that the black and latino gangs are fighting because they have been squeezed into a ghetto by the white man.
Then why aren't the gangs fighting each other? If all I wanted to do is stick it to the Man (and would promise to quit fighting if such happened) wouldn't I be less inclined to stick it to the Other Man.
If there was statistical information would the prevailing white governments of the world release it?
Information of what? Fact is, ethnic groups are beating the crap out of each other all over the place without the help of "Whitey." Many such groups were doing so even before they knew about Europe (or did you think that the Mongolian hordes were just show peices).
And what "white governments of the world", South Africa may be budding into a Kleptocracy, but they are technically a government, and they are hardly white.
The House of Sau isn't white.

Except that there is no statistical precedent for this. The kill black babies comment was factually accurate, no blacks would lower the crime rate. However, you could also kill all males and reduce the occurence of rape, or elminate India and stop Baliwood forever.
Are we going to do this? No, because the benefits would be massively outweighed by the cost.

Here's an idea: Instead of blaming race, let's blame living conditions. I live in Canada, and our murder rate is far below the American murder rate. Are we all white here? No. Do we have universal health care, and other socialist staples? Yes. I'm not a socialist, but I am left-wing, and I think the best way to solve the problem of crime is improve education, health care, and social assistance, and make sure that African Americans have options to turn to besides crime. How about a free university?

how about we ban abortion, that way no babies are killed, then we can enforce the law... makes sense.. only criminals get punished, not good people...

You don't stop crime with harsh laws any more than you can end world hunger by giving away food. When you have poverty and overcrowding in resource deprived areas you have crime problems. This was the situation in England prior to the massive emigration initiatives in the Age of Empires. You could get hanged for stealling pocket change or bread. It didn't reduce the crime rate. What did? Reducing the population in England. They did it by sending everyone elsewhere, but now we don't have many places left to send people, so we have to do other things that reduce the population. Birth control and abortion work, capital punishment for minor offenses works, but not very well.

Except that there is no statistical precedent for this. The kill black babies comment was factually accurate, no blacks would lower the crime rate.

Actually, no, there is as much "statistical evidence" for this as there is for the god-awful black babies theory. Not all crime is committed by blacks. A portion of it is, shockingly enough ( :rolleyes: ) committed by whites. Therefore, if you aborted all white babies, then, indeed, crime rates would go down.

Furthermore, Freakonomics, the book from which Bennett incorrectly extrapolated his racist muck, makes no judgement on matters of race. It makes a blanket statement regarding abortion.

Furthermore, Freakonomics, the book from which Bennett incorrectly extrapolated his racist muck, makes no judgement on matters of race. It makes a blanket statement regarding abortion.

This really wasn't a racist statement. He didn't condone the practice, nor did he advocate black genocide; the sole purpose of it was hyperbole meant to rebut a ridiculous statement made by a caller to the show. The only reason it's racist is because he said "black". If he had said "white", I seriously doubt there would have even been a passing mention.

Racists fighting other racists against racism? My, that's almost ironic.

They're not fighting against racism, they're fighting over too few resources for too few people. It's a human universal. You don't have enough stuff to go around, you get more violence. It isn't necessarily well coordinated, it's just there. If it was well coordinated then the gangs would get together, trash all the police precincts in a coordinated raid, then loot the rich neighborhoods for all they were worth. But they're not, so they fight the people who are easiest to fight. Each other.

Actually, no, there is as much "statistical evidence" for this as there is for the god-awful black babies theory. Not all crime is committed by blacks.

This PC crap isn't going to get society anywhere. Until we realize the plague of crime commited by black fetuses for what it is we will always have a crime problem. :rolleyes:

A response to the racism being exibited in another thread.

...i dont think that the Musslim fascist regeme presently being promoted by extreemists is the fault of white people, however do deplaud racism in all its forms..

This really wasn't a racist statement. He didn't condone the practice, nor did he advocate black genocide; the sole purpose of it was hyperbole meant to rebut a ridiculous statement made by a caller to the show. The only reason it's racist is because he said "black". If he had said "white", I seriously doubt there would have even been a passing mention.

That's just the thing, though. He didn't say "white," yet he chose to insert the qualifier of race. If he wanted hyperbole, he could have just as easily gone with, "If you abort all babies, the crime rate will go down". Start inserting qualifiers and individual prejudices begin to emerge. The fact that he apologizes for it in the same breath doesn't make it any less racially motivated.

Bad idea. Even if you hate white people and feel Caucasians should be eliminated from the face of the earth, you get into the sticky business of how "white" a fetus has to be to be aborted. Can you be born if you're 1/2 white? If you're 1/4 white?...

1/16 white, just like affirmative action! Actually I could be wrong about the fraction, but I'm pretty sure it's 1/16.

[QUOTE=Aldranin]1/16 white, just like affirmative action![QUOTE]

Vote Yes: on mandatory DNA tests for all unborn fetuses!

Except that there is no statistical precedent for this. The kill black babies comment was factually accurate, no blacks would lower the crime rate. However, you could also kill all males and reduce the occurence of rape, or elminate India and stop Baliwood forever.
Are we going to do this? No, because the benefits would be massively outweighed by the cost.

You guys still haven't picked up on the irony of advocating genocide as a solution to crime. How is that logical?

Actually, no, there is as much "statistical evidence" for this as there is for the god-awful black babies theory. Not all crime is committed by blacks. A portion of it is, shockingly enough ( :rolleyes: ) committed by whites. Therefore, if you aborted all white babies, then, indeed, crime rates would go down.
So? I fail to see how that invalidates my point. I think the number is 4 times more likely, that means that by killing black babies you skew the statistics. However, if you killed all the white babies you would increase the rate, because of the whol 4 times thing.
Now, you could say, "But Fiddlebottoms, you can't know that!" and I believe that that is the other part of the point. Namely, you can't say that with fewer people the world would be better today because you have to use numbers that have been generated since then. No one factor in a group is completely independent, so with fewer babies we might be suffering the same problem from a different direction.
Furthermore, Freakonomics, the book from which Bennett incorrectly extrapolated his racist muck, makes no judgement on matters of race. It makes a blanket statement regarding abortion.
Now here is what pisses me off. Why would Black abortions be bad if abortion isn't bad? Black fetuses aren't human, yet the humans (according to current standing statistics) that come from them are more likely to cause crime. Therefore, why deal with touchy human problems when we can just start squishing out non-important human organs?

That's just the thing, though. He didn't say "white," yet he chose to insert the qualifier of race. If he wanted hyperbole, he could have just as easily gone with, "If you abort all babies, the crime rate will go down". Start inserting qualifiers and individual prejudices begin to emerge. The fact that he apologizes for it in the same breath doesn't make it any less racially motivated.

More crimes are committed per capita by black people than any other race; that's why he said "black", because it's factually accurate that they commit more crimes. He wasn't suggesting that they commit crimes because they are black but rather that black people commit more crimes.

He apologized for it because he knew that saying such a statement would be run with as a racist diatribe regardless of the truth.

What thehell?
Why do black peoplehate wite people so much?

This PC crap isn't going to get society anywhere. Until we realize the plague of crime commited by black fetuses for what it is we will always have a crime problem. :rolleyes:

Aye, those black fetuses, killing people from within the womb with telekinesis. They must be stopped.

Aye, those black fetuses, killing people from within the womb with telekinesis. They must be stopped.
Why one killed my dear old grandmother just yesterday.

Aye, those black fetuses, killing people from within the womb with telekinesis. They must be stopped.

Black fetuses killed my father and raped my mother.

Black fetuses killed my father and raped my mother.
Oh, yeah? Well one made my dog implode.

Black pople make more crime than white people anyway. And, not to be racist, but I must point out the fact that about every country in Africa- Not ran by Muslims or white people- Is a hellhole of starvation, dictators, and malnutrition related diseases

You guys still haven't picked up on the irony of advocating genocide as a solution to crime. How is that logical?
Except its not genocide, genocide involves killing. Abortion is just a little procedure that reduces the swelling that certain female members of the species Homo Sapiens after encountering the not quite rare one eyed trouser snake.
AND, no one is advocating anything! He said that we could do X, but X would be unacceptable.
I could stop this argument by finding the names/locations of everyone who is on the other side from me and killing them off. I won't, though, because that would be wrong.
Did I just advocate killing people who disagree with me? NO, I FREGGING DID NOT!
Bill Whosits, who DOESN'T BELIEVE IN ABORTION, uses hyperbole to make a point (killing babies for economic reasons is wrong) and now there is much Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth on the part of Idiotopia because they think that they can bring the man down if they bitch loud enough.

A response to the racism being exibited in another thread.

I applaud the sentiment, but I don't agree with the method. Obviously the abort all black babies thing is nothing but racism, but it should be attacked on it's lack of merits. Not by parody. It is exactly this type of reasoning that lets people actually believe, as a truth, that aborting black babies will reduce the crime rate.

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Just look at the wars that occured between groups of nonwhites and you have all the statistical precedent you need to determine that this allegation is untrue.

Should we compare the wars initiated by whites and non-whites? Or the number of casualties as a result of these wars? Tell me, how many non-whites have dropped atomic bombs on civilians?

I applaud the sentiment, but I don't agree with the method. Obviously the abort all black babies thing is nothing but racism, but it should be attacked on it's lack of merits. Not by parody. It is exactly this type of reasoning that lets people actually believe, as a truth, that aborting black babies will reduce the crime rate.

Actually Cogitation's temporary lock of this thread proved the point I was trying to make. My issue isn't with the racist forum users.

Except its not genocide, genocide involves killing. Abortion is just a little procedure that reduces the swelling that certain female members of the species Homo Sapiens after encountering the not quite rare one eyed trouser snake.

Genocide tends to involve killing individuals, but it's an effort to wipe out a race. If you sterilize every member of a race, but don't actually kill anyone it's still genocide. You're wiping out the race by making it unable to perpetuate itself, and then letting time do the rest. Abortion is the same deal. You may not be killing people, but you're still wiping out a race.

As for it being a crime, it's only a crime if it's illegal. If the government declares it illegal it isn't a crime. It's still wrong, but wrong and criminal aren't synonymous. Legalized genocide is only criminal in the figurative sense.

I applaud the sentiment, but I don't agree with the method. Obviously the abort all black babies thing is nothing but racism, but it should be attacked on it's lack of merits. Not by parody. It is exactly this type of reasoning that lets people actually believe, as a truth, that aborting black babies will reduce the crime rate.

Parody works just fine. Reasoned debate is important, but that's what the actual thread being mocked was for. Humor is a time honored way of illuminating the stupidity inherent in foolish propositions. Chaucer, Moliere, Twain, Stewart... Without them we'd just have... well, FOX news.

Reason is all well and good, but to really drive a point home sometimes you just need a good joke.

Except its not genocide, genocide involves killing. Abortion is just a little procedure that reduces the swelling that certain female members of the species Homo Sapiens after encountering the not quite rare one eyed trouser snake.

genocide:
-The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group (american heritage)
-the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group (merriam-webster)

I see no mention of killing being a prerequisite. If the desired result is the elimination of an entire ethnic group, then it is genocide, regardless of the means adopted to achieve it.

Should we compare the wars initiated by whites and non-whites? Or the number of casualties as a result of these wars? Tell me, how many non-whites have dropped atomic bombs on civilians?
In which case (and this also follows if you were being paroderific) you should have said "There would be fewer wars if we aborted all white babies." Then you could either:
Follow a factual route and present evidence based on the amount of white people in a war or country to violence/casualties/going to extremes
Or, followed an actually humorous line, like Domici's magickal black fetus murder story, which I must say is a sorrowful epic for the ages. Millenia down the line, the years 2003-6 will be known as The Great Murderous Black Fetus Years
As it is, you merely sounded odd and made everyone else completely miss the point, which is really bad since you missed the point of what you were parodying in the first place.