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More EU drama concerning control of the Internet...

Axis Nova
30-09-2005, 23:36
EU Tries to Unblock Internet Impasse
By TOM WRIGHT

International Herald Tribune
Published: September 30, 2005

The United States and Europe clashed here Thursday in one of their sharpest public disagreements in months, after European Union negotiators proposed stripping the Americans of their effective control of the Internet.

The European decision to back the rest of the world in demanding the creation of a new international body to govern the Internet clearly caught the Americans off balance and left them largely isolated at talks designed to come up with a new way of regulating the digital traffic of the 21st century.

"It's a very shocking and profound change of the EU's position," said David Gross, the State Department official in charge of America's international communications policy. "The EU's proposal seems to represent an historic shift in the regulatory approach to the Internet from one that is based on private sector leadership to a government, top-down control of the Internet."

Delegates meeting in Geneva for the past two weeks had been hoping to reach consensus for a draft document by Friday after two years of debate. The talks on international digital issues, called the World Summit on the Information Society and organized by the United Nations, were scheduled to conclude in November at a meeting in Tunisia. Instead, the talks have deadlocked, with the United States fighting a solitary battle against countries that want to see a global body take over supervision of the Internet.

The United States lost its only ally late Wednesday when the EU made a surprise proposal to create an intergovernmental body that would set principles for running the Internet. Currently, the U.S. Commerce Department approves changes to the Internet's "root zone files," which are administered by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or Icann, a nonprofit organization based in Marina del Rey, California.

Political unease with the U.S. approach, symbolized by opposition to the war in Iraq, has spilled over into these technical discussions, delegates said. The EU and developing nations, they added, wanted to send a signal to America that it could not run things alone. Opposition to Washington's continued dominance of the Internet was illustrated by a statement released last week by the Brazilian delegation to the talks. "On Internet governance, three words tend to come to mind: lack of legitimacy. In our digital world, only one nation decides for all of us."

In its new proposal, the EU said the new body could set guidelines on who gets control of what Internet address - the main mechanism for finding information across the global network - and could play a role in helping to set up a system for resolving disputes.

"The role of governments in the new cooperation model should be mainly focused on principle issues of public policy, excluding any involvement in the day-to-day operations," the proposal said. The new model "should not replace existing mechanisms or institutions," it added. The proposal was vague but left open the possibility, fiercely opposed by Washington, that the United Nations itself could have some future governing role.

The United States has sharply criticized demands, like one made last week by Iran, for a UN body to govern the Internet, Gross said. "No intergovernmental body should control the Internet," he said, "whether it's the UN or any other." U.S. officials argue that a system like the one proposed by the EU would lead to unwanted bureaucratization of the Internet.

"I think the U.S. is overreacting," said David Hendon, a spokesman for the EU delegation.

"But I think it's a tactical overreaction for the negotiations," he added.

"We expected this proposal to move the summit along from the stalemate," Hendon said. "It is unreasonable to leave in the hands of the U.S. the power to decide what happens with the Internet in other countries."

Various groups, including the International Telecommunication Union, a UN agency based in Geneva, have suggested that the U.S. government has too much control over the Internet.

Under the terms of a 1998 memorandum of understanding, Icann was to gain its independence from the Commerce Department by September 2006.

But the Bush administration said in July that the United States would "maintain its historic role in authorizing changes or modifications to the authoritative root zone file." In so doing, the government "intends to preserve the security and stability" of the technical underpinnings of the Internet.

Without consensus, some experts say that countries might move ahead with setting up their own domain name system, or DNS, as a way of bypassing Icann.

The United States argues that a single addressing system is what makes the Internet so powerful, and moves to set up multiple Internets would be in no one's interest.

"It's not just working," said Michael Gallagher, an assistant secretary at the Commerce Department who heads communication policy. "It's working spectacularly." Paul Twomey, chief executive of Icann, said fears of U.S. government influence on the Internet were overstated.

Delegates say the conference has made much better progress on issues like dealing with spam e-mail messages and identity theft since it began in 2003. But they said they did not expect to be able to complete a document on Friday, as had been planned, and that further talks would be needed before the Tunisia meeting Nov. 16 to 18.


www.nytimes.com/iht/2005/09/30/business/IHT-30net.html

I know this subject has been discussed here before, but thought I'd post this as it just happened yesterday and the EU seems to be getting more aggressive about it.

It strikes me as hugely stupid since the EU or UN would screw up everything with layer upon layer of bureaucracy and would then proceed to make various unenforceable, favor-based laws directed at specific countries.

Normally I wouldn't worry about the US giving in to stuff like this, but when you consider that pretty much the entire world is upset with the US right now, the President has lost pretty much all international, not to mention popular domestic, support and the republican party is currently rife with, publicly known, corruption and as a consequence is pretty weak right now -- could the US conceivably give in to some of these demands?

I'm certainly hoping not. The US has not tried to censor or tax the Internet; the EU and the UN wish to do both.
Portu Cale MK3
30-09-2005, 23:39
could the US conceivably give in to some of these demands?



You don't have a choice. You do not have the strenght to stop the rest of the world, and since GW Bush pissed away all the diplomatic capital you had, its not like the rest of the world will care much about the US.
Lacadaemon
30-09-2005, 23:50
You don't have a choice. You do not have the strenght to stop the rest of the world, and since GW Bush pissed away all the diplomatic capital you had, its not like the rest of the world will care much about the US.

Good, so then the EU and UN can censor and tax it. :rolleyes:

It's a bad idea, build your own internets. We of course will still let europeans use ours.
Colodia
30-09-2005, 23:52
Wait, if they want to tax the internet then where is the argument? Erm...we DON'T make anyone pay taxes for the internet...

I can't find the area in the quote where it says they will tax it, rather that we fear beuacracy (sp).
Portu Cale MK3
30-09-2005, 23:53
It's a bad idea, build your own internets.


In case you haven't read the article, it just might be what will happen.
Lacadaemon
30-09-2005, 23:54
Wait, if they want to tax the internet then where is the argument? Erm...we DON'T make anyone pay taxes for the internet...

I can't find the area in the quote where it says they will tax it, rather that we fear beuacracy (sp).

They want us to pay the taxes too.

That's the big plan.
Lacadaemon
30-09-2005, 23:55
In case you haven't read the article, it just might be what will happen.

Good, no-one will use it except for hippies and graphic artists. It'll be like apple.

This is the same shit that springs up every once in a while about the zero meridian and the brits being in control of "time". They just are, they invented it, deal with it.

It's not like the US stops anyone from using it. Quite the opposite in fact.
Axis Nova
01-10-2005, 00:09
You don't have a choice. You do not have the strenght to stop the rest of the world, and since GW Bush pissed away all the diplomatic capital you had, its not like the rest of the world will care much about the US.

It's not really a factor of "strength" since it's more about control of the hardware and software than it is basic military force. The Internet is not a physical location that can be taken over by force.