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My personal choice would be either "The Grateful Dead" or "The Jefferson Airplane" ( later known as "The Jefferson Starship" ). :D

And your choice??? ( Just open up your mouth and spit! ) :D

If anybody says Lynyrd Skynyrd, they're getting a fat lip.

My vote doesn't go for any band. There is no "best" or "greatest" band.

My personal choice would be either "The Grateful Dead" or "The Jefferson Airplane" ( later known as "The Jefferson Starship" ).
...which paved the way for the Alan Parsons project... which i believe was somekind of space ship program :D God bless you Homer :p

Just discovered Dream Evil. :) Manowar are damn good Rock as well… although few will agree with me. I'm taking "rock" in the narrow sense.

The Smashing Pumpkins, or The Gathering.

The Smashing Pumpkins, or The Gathering.
Led Zeppelin all the way.

Led Zeppelin all the way.
Ewwwwwwwwww! ;)

Just discovered Dream Evil. :) Manowar are damn good Rock as well… although few will agree with me. I'm taking "rock" in the narrow sense.
Those are the worst power metal bands! Listen to Blind Guardian and Nightwish!

Led Zeppelin all the way.
Yes, they're great too!

Personally I'd vote against the Gratefull Dead. Their concerts were fun, kinda like a carnival with LSD, but the music wasn't all that great unless you like long jam sessions where they're not actually playing a song, just making sounds.

I'm going to vote for The Who. It was the best concert I've ever gone to, and I like the vast majority of their songs.

Personally I'd vote against the Gratefull Dead. Their concerts were fun, kinda like a carnival with LSD, but the music wasn't all that great unless you like long jam sessions where they're not actually playing a song, just making sounds.

Ugh, I saw their last concert (at Winterland. funny how that arena was the last stop for a lot of bands) on Trio. God-awful.

Ewwwwwwwwww! ;)

What? :confused: *Sniff*

Personally I'd vote against the Gratefull Dead. Their concerts were fun, kinda like a carnival with LSD, but the music wasn't all that great unless you like long jam sessions where they're not actually playing a song, just making sounds.

I'm going to vote for The Who. It was the best concert I've ever gone to, and I like the vast majority of their songs.
Ever heard of Jazz? The original genre was total improvisation. :p

Ever heard of Jazz? The original genre was total improvisation. :p

But, unlike Jazz, The Grateful Dead totally sucked.

What? :confused: *Sniff*
ROFL!!! Actually they weren't bad, just didn't measure up to The Dead iz all! :D

But, unlike Jazz, The Grateful Dead totally sucked.
[ expletive deleated ] ;)

ROFL!!! Actually they weren't bad, just didn't measure up to The Dead iz all! :D

Fuck, I hope you're kidding.

*pounds head with mallet*

ROFL!!! Actually they weren't bad, just didn't measure up to The Dead iz all! :D
Wait, wasn't there a conspiracy theory that said the reason the Dead toured so much was that they were actually spies for MI5?? :D

Fuck, I hope you're kidding.

*pounds head with mallet*
LOL! Um ... yours or mine??? :eek:

Wait, wasn't there a conspiracy theory that said the reason the Dead toured so much was that they were actually spies for MI5?? :D
ROFLMFAO!!!! Aaaahahahahahahhahaha! AS IF! :D

LOL! Um ... yours or mine??? :eek:

Mine. I have to pound my head with a mallet to relieve myself of such bad, evil thoughts. Thoughts like the Grateful Dead being a decent band.

Oh god... *pounds head with mallet*

Jerry LIVES!

:D

Pop Rock - Beatles

Alternative Rock - Pearl Jam

Rock and Roll - Rolling Stones

Stoned Rock - Pink Floyd

Heavy Metal - Metallica

"Just" Rock - Van Halen (in all guises)

Jerry LIVES!

:D

Hey, he was a good guitarist. His shit band was shit, though.

Pop Rock - Beatles

Alternative Rock - Sugar

Rock and Roll - Sex Pistols

Stoned Rock - Pink Floyd

Heavy Metal - Iron Maiden

"Just" Rock - Husker Du (in all guises)

There, I corrected your list.

"Just" Rock - Van Halen (in all guises)

*shudders*

Hey, he was a good guitarist. His shit band was shit, though.
[ throws LSD packets at Potaria! ] :D

[ throws LSD packets at Potaria! ] :D

*jumps up and down, trying to catch them*

*jumps up and down, trying to catch them*

*hoards LSD packets*

Overall, the Beatles or Black Sabbath. As far as live bands, I'm not sure you could beat Metallica.

As far as live bands, I'm not sure you could beat Metallica.

The Professionals.

The Professionals.
The Jimi Hendrix Experience

The Jimi Hendrix Experience

I'd actually say that the Professionals had a better stage presence. More energy, too.

My personal choice would be either "The Grateful Dead" or "The Jefferson Airplane" ( later known as "The Jefferson Starship" ). :D

And your choice??? ( Just open up your mouth and spit! ) :D

Ah, good choice, that. Stick to the Airplane, forget the Starship (meanwhile it must be "Jefferson Wheelchair", I suppose). The Dead only for live concerts.
Maybe add JH Experience, Quicksilver Messenger Service, The Band, Neil Young after he took singing lessons (serious!).

Van Der Graaf Generator.
You just know that a sax and organ led, guitar free, jazz metal band have to be perfect...

Best rock band ever...meh...

I'd have to be totally subjective. I don't do that :p However, the best metal band is Kyuss....Black Sabbath close behind. The best punk band is the Dead Kennedys...

So that would leave Led Zeppelin and Nirvana tied for best rock band. Even though they're totally different.

Meh.

You're all insane. The #1, Apex, Pinnacle, GREATEST band of all time is Pink Floyd. Period, end of discussion. ;)

I'd actually say that the Professionals had a better stage presence. More energy, too.
Really? Humm, must check them out.

I was always in awe at what Hendrix could do with a guitar.

At a small gig in London, when he was still making it big, he rushed into the backstage area 20mins before they were due to go on. The Beatles had just released 'Sgt Pepper' album that very day, and the title track to boot. Jimi goes to Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding- THIS is what we are gonna do tonight- he jams out his own version of Sgt Pepper. This after the song had just been released the same day!

They go out on stage... and who do they see in the balcony.... the Beatles....

After the show, John and Paul come up to him.. he was apparently shi**ing it... they go...'That was amazing, come back with us for a party'...

HOW COOL IS THAT?! :D

If anybody says Lynyrd Skynyrd, they're getting a fat lip.

My vote doesn't go for any band. There is no "best" or "greatest" band.

but I already have a fat lip. :eek:

Nightwish and their incredible operatic rock

I enter two names...

For all out rockin goodness: Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band

For taking rock to higher level: Jane's Addiction

I'd actually say that the Professionals had a better stage presence. More energy, too.
The guitarist and the drummer out of the Sex Pistols' band?

the way I see it, every good band builds on the sucesses/failures of those before them. so, the measure of a band is not only in their own sucess, but the influence they have on later groups, and the culture in general.
So, in no particular order:

the Beatles
the Jimi hendrix experience
Nirvana
the Ramones
Kraftwerk
the Moody Blues
the Who
Queen
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Pink floyd

Queensryche, or The Scorpions it has to be! That is of course, second to the amazing Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band (The Boss).

hmm, well, I dont know, the most influentially prolific perhaps..They arent my favourites, but for sheer consistency i'd go for the Stones.

hmm, well, I dont know, the most influentially prolific perhaps..They arent my favourites, but for sheer consistency i'd go for the Stones.
They haven't recorded anything worth a shit since the late '70s, though. Hardly all that consistent.

That is a tough question....I've seen Pink Floyd, Metallica, and even Jane's mentioned.........but, why are we forgetting the Doors?

and Black Sabbath, ACDC?

Did someone say "The Scorpions?" Yeah, right.

U2!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but, why are we forgetting the Doors?

I haven't forgotten them at all. I just don't think they, while brilliant, are the best band ever. :)

(And I mentioned Black Sabbath)

Those are the worst power metal bands! Listen to Blind Guardian and Nightwish!

Blind Guardian: Yes.
Nightwish: Eh...

That is a tough question....I've seen Pink Floyd, Metallica, and even Jane's mentioned.........but, why are we forgetting the Doors?
I like some Doors songs, but alot of their stuff I don't like. Maybe because they play some of it too much on the radio. How many times can you listen to "L.A. Woman" before you get sick of it?

I'm going to have to say The Pixies.

Also, the Grateful Dead suck, Pink Floyd sucks, Metallica sucks.

Pink Floyd!

Pink Floyd sucks.

Just because you have no taste in music, no need to get all uppity..lol :D

Pink Floyd sucks.

Can't you read, man? You're not allowed to like Pink Floyd because they suck.
Also, Instead of the standard smiley emoticon, I'm ending this post with the Monty emoticon: &B>))

EDIT: wow, you have exactly 10,000 posts, Stephistan.

Smashing Pumpkins or At The Drive-In

Where did all this Gratefull Dead love suddenly come from? It's not a bad thing, I love them too, I'm just pleasently supprised.

My personal choice would be either "The Grateful Dead" or "The Jefferson Airplane" ( later known as "The Jefferson Starship" ). :D

And your choice??? ( Just open up your mouth and spit! ) :D
Those, for the record, are horrible picks. I could name probably a hundred acts better than either one. The Dead suck because you pretty much have to be stoned to enjoy their music [and even then its dubious] and Jefferson Airplane sucks because they write songs about as well as a three days dead cat. I don't so much mind that you like them, but claiming either one of those as the 'greatest rock band' of all time is a monstrous leap of faith. They might be your favorites but they're certainly not the 'greatest' by any barometer you care to name.

The best rock band ever was the Who, hands down. Pound for pound, they cannot be matched by anyone [excepting, in a few isolated cases, the Rolling Stones or the Jimi Hendrix experience] in terms of raw musical talent. Keith Moon and John Entwistle were about as good as it gets in terms of a rhythm section [excepting possibly James Jamerson of Motown fame for bass], and Roger Daltrey is probably one of the top three or four male rock vocalists of all time. Townshend is even the weak link and he still kick ass: what he lacked in raw shredding ability he made up for by superb songwriting and unmatched energy onstage. No one put on a better show than the Who. Period.

Just because you have no taste in music, no need to get all uppity..lol :D

Hey, he likes the Pixies, therefore he has taste in music. So there. :p

That is a tough question....I've seen Pink Floyd, Metallica, and even Jane's mentioned.........but, why are we forgetting the Doors?
Because Ray Manzerak can't play the keyboards to save his soul, and because Jim Morrison didn't live long enough to develop his sluggish songwriting abilities. The Doors have a few great songs [and had a lot of potential] but their body of work just isn't big enough.

Because Ray Manzerak can't play the keyboards to save his soul, and because Jim Morrison didn't live long enough to develop his sluggish songwriting abilities. The Doors have a few great songs [and had a lot of potential] but their body of work just isn't big enough.

6 studio albums with Morrisson isn't big enough? :p

No.

I'm going to have to say The Pixies.

Also, the Grateful Dead suck, Pink Floyd sucks, Metallica sucks.
Say what??? :eek:

WTF is a "Pixie?" ROFLMAO!

stuff

Well, if we're going by "actual all-time greatest band" and not "favorites," I guess I'll have to change my answer (since the Pixies are just my current favorites). While I admire your literalism, you have to respect common parlance to an extent.

Rock bands that I would have to name as being "the greatest" would be the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, and Tom Petty.

Well, if we're going by "actual all-time greatest band" and not "favorites," I guess I'll have to change my answer (since the Pixies are just my current favorites). While I admire your literalism, you have to respect common parlance to an extent.

Rock bands that I would have to name as being "the greatest" would be the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, and Tom Petty.
I understand what you mean, as there's a difference between "greatest" band and "favorite" band. Musical talent is not subjective, and it's what I look at whenever anyone asks me who the 'greatest band' was. My favorite act of all time has got to be Warren Zevon, but neither his technical ability or songwriting talent is anywhere near Townshend and the Who.

That said, Led Zeppelin is the most overrated band in rock history. They were all very good musicians but the Who fucking named Led Zeppelin and Robert Plant posed off Roger Daltrey so horribly in the late '60s and early '70s that I'd have busted his ass were I in Roger's shoes at the time.

Zeppelin's biggest flaw is not their music, but their following. I hear Led Goddamned Zeppelin every time I turn on my car and scan through the radio stations, and it's getting really, really old. I think today's generation identifies with them because hard rock/metal is so popular and Led Zeppelin is often seen as the 'progenitor' of such genres, but you can't possibly deny that Led stole the majority of their live act right from the Who. You can sort of tell, looking back, that Zeppelin was trying to be as much like the Who as possible, in energy and stage presence if not actual music [yes, I do notice the differences]. Still, aside from that your picks are pretty good. Can't go wrong with the Beatles and the Stones.

Say what??? :eek:

WTF is a "Pixie?" ROFLMAO!

I honestly don't know how to respond to a post like that.

All 'round - The Fall
Punk rock - Crass
Hard rock - The Stooges
General rock - Guided by Voices
Experimental rock - Can
Art rock - The Velvet Underground

I'm one of those weird people that has something against Led Zeppelin because I'm a Who fan.

Jeez, man, I didn't know you were going to get so emotional about it. I'm sorry I brought it up.

On an unrelated note, I can't believe I didn't mention the Velvet Underground. Good choice, Isselmere.

i cant believe that hardly anyone said Nirvana, i mean cumon enough said

Anyway Id say Nirvana and Queen are tied for first
Queen because of the awesome live gigs
Nirvana for the way they tapped into the X generation and were totally diff from everything else out at the time

oh id like to add The Clash (one of the greatest brit bands ever)

i cant believe that hardly anyone said Nirvana, i mean cumon enough said

Nirvana is pretty influenced by the Pixies. Cobain once said that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was his attempt at making a Pixies song. Not that I'm trying to downplay Nirvana or anything.

Pink Floyd.

Iron maiden!

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Rage against the Machine yet. Mind you, they probably weren't around long enough to really be considered the greatest, and given the fact that they are very much to the left on the political spectrum doesn't help much either.

However, the greatest probably is the Beatles overall. However, I think the Stones, Elvis, AC/DC, Metallica, Black Sabbath and The Ramones all deserve special mention.

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Rage against the Machine yet. Mind you, they probably weren't around long enough to really be considered the greatest, and given the fact that they are very much to the left on the political spectrum doesn't help much either.

Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.

im so over smells like teen spirit it was way over done, i think it was not their best song, just their most popular. i like heart shaped box, anuerysm, sliver and you know youre right best

Led Zeppelin all the way.
:sniper: :sniper:

i cant believe that hardly anyone said Nirvana, i mean cumon enough said

Anyway Id say Nirvana and Queen are tied for first
Queen because of the awesome live gigs
Nirvana for the way they tapped into the X generation and were totally diff from everything else out at the time

oh id like to add The Clash (one of the greatest brit bands ever)


That's because Nirvana stunk. Must be a grunge thing.

Now Queen, they kicked real ass. They hold a very high position on my list. Well above Zepplin and Stones.

Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.

Well, I don't think it's that, but I think that people just don't like alot of politics in their music. At least that is the impression that people have given me when discussing music.

Guns n' Roses!!!!!!!!

:mp5: :)

Well, I don't think it's that, but I think that people just don't like alot of politics in their music. At least that is the impression that people have given me when discussing music.

I really, really hope you recognized that as a Rage Against The Machine quote.
Also, I can see where you're coming from. A lot of politics in music can have a negative effect if they're done to heavyhandedly. Although, there were quite a few protest songs during the Vietnam War that are still being played on the radio today, because bands knew the art of subtlety in those days. Or maybe I'm just talking out of my ass here, I don't know.

Alice in Chains or Nirvana. Either will do.

Because Ray Manzerak can't play the keyboards to save his soul
In fact, Manzarek was a bloody good pianist, but for some reason or other seemed more interested in playing the organ instead. No idea where he got that notion from.

My personal choice would be either "The Grateful Dead" or "The Jefferson Airplane" ( later known as "The Jefferson Starship" ). :D

And your choice??? ( Just open up your mouth and spit! ) :D

Half Man, Half Biscuit.

They turned down the chance of a career breaking performance on Channel 4's "the tube" in 1985 to go see a Tranmere match.

Thats what i call dedication.

Jeez, man, I didn't know you were going to get so emotional about it. I'm sorry I brought it up.

On an unrelated note, I can't believe I didn't mention the Velvet Underground. Good choice, Isselmere.
"So emotional?" You haven't seen me when I actually do get worked up, obviously. ;)

And yes, the Velvet Underground rocks. Lou Reed is a strange, strange man.

The guitarist and the drummer out of the Sex Pistols' band?

Their early lineup was Steve Jones, Paul Cook, and Andy Allen.

Their later lineup (and only live lineup) was Steve Jones, Paul Cook, Ray McVeigh, and Paul Myers.

It was a new genre unto itself. You could call it Yob Rock (that's what most people agree on, anyway). Really energetic, electric music, yet it had a hopeless feel to it. The choruses are second to none (especially the one in 1-2-3).

Metallica!

Collective Soul
Cinderlla
Tommy Bolin
and, of course......KISS!!!!!

Their early lineup was Steve Jones, Paul Cook, and Andy Allen.

Their later lineup (and only live lineup) was Steve Jones, Paul Cook, Ray McVeigh, and Paul Myers.

It was a new genre unto itself. You could call it Yob Rock (that's what most people agree on, anyway). Really energetic, electric music, yet it had a hopeless feel to it. The choruses are second to none (especially the one in 1-2-3).
I've not heard them. Glen Matlock's band was pretty good, though you can perhaps see why PiL got more attention...

"So emotional?" You haven't seen me when I actually do get worked up, obviously. ;)

And yes, the Velvet Underground rocks. Lou Reed is a strange, strange man.

I don't think music is a valid thing to get worked up about. Politics, sure... but not music. Not in this context, anyway.

Collective Soul
Cinderlla
Tommy Bolin
and, of course......KISS!!!!!
Kiss is an excuse for a bunch of aging tosspots to sell merchandising franchises, not a band. Sorry.

Pink Floyd.

Suvived two frontman losses, played awesomely well at a reunion gig (at the age of 60/61 no less), and just all out awesome.

Syd Barrett - incredibly influential figure to the London underground, and also artist such as David Bowie, Cream and Marc Bolan, as well as loads of others. Exceptionally experimental, semi-decent guitarist, relatively amusing lyricist.
Roger Waters - terrible singer, terrible bassist. However, one of the greatest lyricists of all time.
David Gilmour - easily one of the best guitarists of all time. Semi-decent lyricist, and exceptionally good singer.
Richard Wright - Very good pianist/organist/keyboardist, whatever. Always added something to the songs to give it an effect. Relatively nice singing voice, average lyricist.
Nick Mason - Sub-standard drummer. Not much to be said really. Meh; not particularly great, but a useful asset to the band, as a drummer always is.

Not to mention a slew of albums ranging from pyshcadelic pop, to extremely pyshcadelic, to slightly progressive, to deeply progressive with political and not over-emotional personal influeunces. Not to mention one of the best, most well known and inspirational albums of all time. Plus any band that's been around for over 38 years, and has the balls to turn down HUGE amounts of money to tour again, plus the fact that Gilmour and Waters are both very charitable people.... well, once it's all added up, they're clearly the best rock band ever. :p

My vote doesn't go for any band. There is no "best" or "greatest" band.
potaria is right.
there is no best rock band in the world.
Though among the best are led zepellin, bon jovi and many others.

It's someone like rage against the machine, operation ivy, nirvana, mxpx, or some band that created and rocked at something harder than it's ever been done before, but kept it real. Overhyped bands like pink floyd, the rolling stones, led zeppelin among other shitty 80's sellouts are all garbage. They played with the pop culture, with recording, with artistry on the whole. the real musicians are the ones that used nothing but their instruments, their voices, and a whole lot of worthwhile concepts and things to say. fuck effects, fuck genres, fuck noises, fuck lyrics. rock bands "rock," they don't impress. rage against the machine, nirvana, operation ivy, mxpx, and bands like that rocked out better and harder than anyone else.

Pink Floyd.

Suvived two frontman losses, played awesomely well at a reunion gig (at the age of 60/61 no less), and just all out awesome.

Syd Barrett - incredibly influential figure to the London underground, and also artist such as David Bowie, Cream and Marc Bolan, as well as loads of others. Exceptionally experimental, semi-decent guitarist, relatively amusing lyricist.
Roger Waters - terrible singer, terrible bassist. However, one of the greatest lyricists of all time.
David Gilmour - easily one of the best guitarists of all time. Semi-decent lyricist, and exceptionally good singer.
Richard Wright - Very good pianist/organist/keyboardist, whatever. Always added something to the songs to give it an effect. Relatively nice singing voice, average lyricist.
Nick Mason - Sub-standard drummer. Not much to be said really. Meh; not particularly great, but a useful asset to the band, as a drummer always is.

Not to mention a slew of albums ranging from pyshcadelic pop, to extremely pyshcadelic, to slightly progressive, to deeply progressive with political and not over-emotional personal influeunces. Not to mention one of the best, most well known and inspirational albums of all time. Plus any band that's been around for over 38 years, and has the balls to turn down HUGE amounts of money to tour again, plus the fact that Gilmour and Waters are both very charitable people.... well, once it's all added up, they're clearly the best rock band ever. :pI can't believe that only you and I have mentioned them. This place must be crammed with philistines. ;) Pink Floyd is intelligent music.

It's someone like rage against the machine, operation ivy, nirvana, mxpx, or some band that created and rocked at something harder than it's ever been done before, but kept it real. Overhyped bands like pink floyd, the rolling stones, led zeppelin among other shitty 80's sellouts are all garbage. They played with the pop culture, with recording, with artistry on the whole. the real musicians are the ones that used nothing but their instruments, their voices, and a whole lot of worthwhile concepts and things to say. fuck effects, fuck genres, fuck noises, fuck lyrics. rock bands "rock," they don't impress. rage against the machine, nirvana, operation ivy, mxpx, and bands like that rocked out better and harder than anyone else.

Interesting that you diss Floyd, The Stones and Zeppelin, none of whom were "80s" bands. For what it's worth, i think Led Zeppelin were overblown toss, Floyd should have stayed dead after "The Final Cut" and The Stones should have been shot after "Street Fightin' Man"

Oh, and the bands you name are roobish. Sheer posturing roobish. Sorry.

hmm...MISFITS MISFITS MISFITS and then perhaps MISFITS....

Die Die My Darlings!

I don't think music is a valid thing to get worked up about. Politics, sure... but not music. Not in this context, anyway.
Ummm... actually, I'm not really 'worked up' at all, and I can't say as I'm at all certain where you got the idea that I was. When I get worked up I throw in mad italics and bolding mixed with much angry, intentionally abrasive invective. I don't think any of my posts qualify, but if you're interested in dictating to me the properties of my temperment they just might.

Interesting that you diss Floyd, The Stones and Zeppelin, none of whom were "80s" bands. For what it's worth, i think Led Zeppelin were overblown toss, Floyd should have stayed dead after "The Final Cut" and The Stones should have been shot after "Street Fightin' Man"I agree with you re: Floyd. The only good song released after 'The Final Cut' was 'High Hopes', and that wasn't spectacular. But they were awesome at Live8.

I can't believe that only you and I have mentioned them. This place must be crammed with philistines. ;) Pink Floyd is intelligent music.
I'm not prepared to say Pink Floyd sucks, but they're certainly not my thing. I'd rate them in the top ten, but I could never get into their music, really. Like Zeppelin, they're played all too frequently and to boot ClearChannel entertainment seems to think both bands released about 20 songs. Perhaps if they expanded their playlists a bit I might be more forgiving, but Floyd and Zeppelin are just too overplayed.

Both, however, are top ten bands, easily.

Why has noone mentioned Rush :(

Queen and Rush are both my favorites.

Best rock band in the world........hm......it's a hard one........... no wait it isn't! it's either gotta be motorhead, minor threat or discharge :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

I interpret "Rock" as being a huge umbrella genre that includes many different sub-genres, one of them being metal.

I'd have to say that Emperor was the best there ever was.

Why has noone mentioned Rush :(

Queen and Rush are both my favorites.
Because Rush sucks.

Queen is probably top 10-20 material. Freddie Mercury may have been the best rock vocalist of all time--and Brian May's nothing to sneze at either, but the rest of the band wasn't particularly electrifying.

Because Rush sucks.

Queen is probably top 10-20 material. Freddie Mercury may have been the best rock vocalist of all time--and Brian May's nothing to sneze at either, but the rest of the band wasn't particularly electrifying.
In fact the drummer is quite dull. But freddie and Brian are both top notch.

Anyone who didn't say Led Zeppelin can die a horrible, firey death.

ALL HAIL THE LORDS OF ROCK LED ZEPPELIN. GRACE US WITH THY MIGHTY GUITAR!

For non-hard rock, Queen.

For hard rock, Led Zeppelin.

In fact the drummer is quite dull. But freddie and Brian are both top notch.
Agreed.

Some of my favorite bands (though not neccasarily the greatest. Led Zeppelin was great, but i still hate em)
Styx (especially recently, with DeYoung gone they are rocking harder than before)
REO Speedwagon
Greenday
Good Charolette
Dream Theatere
Kansas
and many others

Aerosmith, bar none. That's Rock at its finest.

If they've already been said, then I'm seconding or thirding or whatever.

Close, very close, second: Social Distortion.

This post is dedicated to all the GUNS N' FUCKIN' ROSES fans....

I think I will have to say that either Milli Vanilli OR the New Kids on the Block are the greatest bands ever! If these two groups can sucker millions out of their dollars with little talent, then they are the best! :D

Musically speaking, however, I would have to say that the Dave Matthew Band ranks up there as one of the best ever, along with maybe whoever was playing behind Elvis.

Aerosmith, bar none. That's Rock at its finest.

Except that not only are none of the members particularly spectacular musicians [even though Tyler is a wonderful showman], you can tell without even looking at them just how hard they are trying to be like the Rolling Stones. Aerosmith is a complete Stones ripoff, even if Dream On is a kickass song.

The Smashing Pumpkins [www.blamo.org] are certainly the greatest rock band of my generation. Let's hope they reform like the rumors have been saying.

Except that not only are none of the members particularly spectacular musicians [even though Tyler is a wonderful showman], you can tell without even looking at them just how hard they are trying to be like the Rolling Stones. Aerosmith is a complete Stones ripoff, even if Dream On is a kickass song.
Ultimate dream on cover

Ronnie James Dio
Yngvie Malmsteen(sp?)
Stu Ham
and I don't remember the drummer.

It kicked royal ass

I thought NS General had a much wider musical taste than just naming a bunch of radio bands and leaving it at that...

I mean, yeah, Zeppelin rocks hard and I still think various Who songs are among the best ever made, and yeah Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains are kickass bands, but what about the other stuff?

Catch 22? Streetlight Manifesto? Symphony X? Blues Explosion? 30 Seconds to Mars? All one-layer-down type bands that aren't underground to the point of inaccessibility, but also not the type of thing that you'll hear hyped to god-dom on the radio.

In my opinion, the most complete rock band, as in a band that has been making kickass music their entire careers (Symphony X, for instance, is only another above-average power-prog act until around Divine Wings and they only start to really shine on V, being promoted to WHOAMFG AWESOME_INSANE_BESTBANDEVAR with The Oddyssey) would have to be either Blues Traveler or Blind Melon. Yes, radio bands again, but damn do these guys have it going for them (or, in the case of Blind Melon, had it going for them). Blind Melon, of course, didn't really release enough material to really judge (only four albums), so I'll have to give it to Blues Traveler.

John Popper and the boys have been rocking since the 1980's and they have had some VERY talented musicians work with them (including Popper himself, who is the world's PREMIER mouth harp player). They do a lot of soft balladry, yes, but songs like Crash Burn, Carolina Blues, and Freedom rock just as hard as anything Zeppelin or the Stones ever did.

Also, Brother John is still the best way to spend six and a half music that is physically possible. God himself couldn't write a better song.

The best rock band ever was the Who, hands down. Pound for pound, they cannot be matched by anyone [excepting, in a few isolated cases, the Rolling Stones or the Jimi Hendrix experience] in terms of raw musical talent.
The only way you can quantify musical talent is in terms of technical ability. Which means that Dream Theater are much better. Not that I hate the Who. I'm listening to Who's Next right now.

Except that not only are none of the members particularly spectacular musicians [even though Tyler is a wonderful showman], you can tell without even looking at them just how hard they are trying to be like the Rolling Stones. Aerosmith is a complete Stones ripoff, even if Dream On is a kickass song.

Since when has rock been about spectacular musicianship? For that, look to Jazz.

However, I can't agree that they're a Stones rip-off any more than any rock band that came after around 1968 were. I think Aerosmith, in the early days, were far more raw and pure to rock than the Stones's earlier works (which had that Mod/Merci feel to it).

Rock is American music and I believe Aerosmith to be the perfection of American Rock. Now, as for the other side of the pond and their take on Rock, I'll give you the Stones and The Who.

Must I say again?

GUNS N' FUCKING ROSES!

Appetite for Destruction - Best Album of 80's
Use Your Illusion (1/2) - Best Album of 90's
Chinese Democracy - Will be best album ever made
Axl Rose - Greatest Frontman Ever/God

The only way you can quantify musical talent is in terms of technical ability. Which means that Dream Theater are much better. Not that I hate the Who. I'm listening to Who's Next right now.
And to further this idea, rock is so much more than musical talent. Look at Kiss, a good band, but mediocore musicians. In my mind rock has four categories that must be met.... not all of which can be judged off of a studio album (where you get as many tries as you want). For me the only true test of a band is to see them live, wether it be in person, or an unedited tape.

Technical Talent
Style
Showmanship (doesn't necassarily mean fireworks and flashing lights, a well placed bow qualifies to)
Presence/charisma

All of the above creat a good rock band. And sometimes you can make up for lack of one with an over abundance for another.

Since when has rock been about spectacular musicianship? For that, look to Jazz.

However, I can't agree that they're a Stones rip-off any more than any rock band that came after around 1968 were. I think Aerosmith, in the early days, were far more raw and pure to rock than the Stones's earlier works (which had that Mod/Merci feel to it).

Rock is American music and I believe Aerosmith to be the perfection of American Rock. Now, as for the other side of the pond and their take on Rock, I'll give you the Stones and The Who.
Some Jazz, then again there are the Jazz greats who weren;t that good at there instrument.

On a seprate note, I get to see Maynard Fuergosen and his Big Noueva Bop Band in a week!!!! Woot!!!!!

Since when has rock been about spectacular musicianship? For that, look to Jazz.
Since Eutrusca asked who the greatest rock band of all time was. If we're going to talk about who's our favorite then any answer is justified, but musical talent is not subjective and we aren't talking about Jazz.

When people ask 'whos the greatest' I tend to judge on the following criterion:

Who wrote the best songs? [on aggregate, the top three are the Beatles, the Who, and the Rolling Stones]
Who were the best at their instruments? [The Who, the Rolling Stones, or the Jimi Hendrix Experience]
Who had the best stage presence? [The Who, hands down. Almost anyone who ever saw them in their prime won't argue.]
Who had the best studio presence? [Steely Dan, the Beatles, the Who]

It's someone like rage against the machine, operation ivy, nirvana, mxpx, or some band that created and rocked at something harder than it's ever been done before, but kept it real. Overhyped bands like pink floyd, the rolling stones, led zeppelin among other shitty 80's sellouts are all garbage. They played with the pop culture, with recording, with artistry on the whole. the real musicians are the ones that used nothing but their instruments, their voices, and a whole lot of worthwhile concepts and things to say. fuck effects, fuck genres, fuck noises, fuck lyrics. rock bands "rock," they don't impress. rage against the machine, nirvana, operation ivy, mxpx, and bands like that rocked out better and harder than anyone else.

I think it's interesting that you bash bands that apparently "use effects and noises," and yet you name bands like Rage and MXPX that make heavy use of effects and noises. Though I agree that Pink Floyd makes heavy usage of a lot of stupid nosies that make me think there's something wrong with my car, I never got that impression from the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin. Also, I'm pretty sure that they're not 80's bands.

Led Zeppelin is the most overrated band in rock history. They were all very good musicians but the Who fucking named Led Zeppelin and Robert Plant posed off Roger Daltrey so horribly in the late '60s and early '70s that I'd have busted his ass were I in Roger's shoes at the time.

Zeppelin's biggest flaw is not their music, but their following. I hear Led Goddamned Zeppelin every time I turn on my car and scan through the radio stations, and it's getting really, really old. I think today's generation identifies with them because hard rock/metal is so popular and Led Zeppelin is often seen as the 'progenitor' of such genres, but you can't possibly deny that Led stole the majority of their live act right from the Who. You can sort of tell, looking back, that Zeppelin was trying to be as much like the Who as possible, in energy and stage presence if not actual music [yes, I do notice the differences]. Still, aside from that your picks are pretty good. Can't go wrong with the Beatles and the Stones.

That's a lot of italics.

Id be sure to say AC/DC ALLL THE F***EN WAY DUDE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since when has rock been about spectacular musicianship? For that, look to Jazz.

However, I can't agree that they're a Stones rip-off any more than any rock band that came after around 1968 were. I think Aerosmith, in the early days, were far more raw and pure to rock than the Stones's earlier works (which had that Mod/Merci feel to it).

Rock is American music and I believe Aerosmith to be the perfection of American Rock. Now, as for the other side of the pond and their take on Rock, I'll give you the Stones and The Who.

I generally prefer foreign rock music, myself. Most of the bands I listen to are European, excluding the Thrash metal bands, which are mostly American.

Beatles, Stones, Floyd, Led Zep, Who, Supertramp, U2

All great. Must be the British beat thing?

Yep, British Bands kick ass. Floyd are my favourites, though.

If you're talking about ROCK bands, then ACDC or Led Zeppelin sweep all before them. Dammit, rock is too narrow a subject. Do the Rolling Stones classify as Rock? If they do then they are the best.

Since Eutrusca asked who the greatest rock band of all time was.

Granted, and somewhat agreed, but as a musician and a music teacher, I tend to look towards the spirit of the genre. Rock has a certain spirit to it. It's not political, it's not about a message. Rock is about, well, girls ... and sometimes cars and drugs ... but mostly it's about girls.

While I give props to The Who and The Stones, they tended to get too poetic and/or political to really consider them pure Rock. Aerosmith tried in the mid-80s to get a message across (Livin' on the Edge, etc), but quickly realised their mistake and went back to their roots.

The Who and The Stones are great bands. Terrific groups that have done some of the best songs in recorded history and I will even go so far as to say that Keith Moon is the greatest Rock drummer ever, but when I hear the term Rock, I think one thing: Girls.

Kiss is an excuse for a bunch of aging tosspots to sell merchandising franchises, not a band. Sorry.


Of course they are, they always were, but they were/are good at it!

They are a cartoon, no question, but taken in the correct context, alot of fun, at least for this aging tosspot!! (and original member of The KISS Army, lol)
On that note, Gwar is much the same, had forgotten them, they are equally fun, as is White Zombie/Rob Zombie.

Granted, and somewhat agreed, but as a musician and a music teacher, I tend to look towards the spirit of the genre. Rock has a certain spirit to it. It's not political, it's not about a message. Rock is about, well, girls ... and sometimes cars and drugs ... but mostly it's about girls.

While I give props to The Who and The Stones, they tended to get too poetic and/or political to really consider them pure Rock. Aerosmith tried in the mid-80s to get a message across (Livin' on the Edge, etc), but quickly realised their mistake and went back to their roots.

The Who and The Stones are great bands. Terrific groups that have done some of the best songs in recorded history and I will even go so far as to say that Keith Moon is the greatest Rock drummer ever, but when I hear the term Rock, I think one thing: Girls.

Hair metal = thataway

-_-

Rock music isn't "about" anything besides rock. I listen to a huge variety of stuff (from jazz fusion like Uncle Otter to classical chamber piano to Brit-pop like The Stereophonics), and I can tell you that I consider something rock if it rocks, and that's it.

I thought NS General had a much wider musical taste than just naming a bunch of radio bands and leaving it at that...

I mean, yeah, Zeppelin rocks hard and I still think various Who songs are among the best ever made, and yeah Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains are kickass bands, but what about the other stuff?

Catch 22? Streetlight Manifesto? Symphony X? Blues Explosion? 30 Seconds to Mars? All one-layer-down type bands that aren't underground to the point of inaccessibility, but also not the type of thing that you'll hear hyped to god-dom on the radio.
Hey, I nominated The Gathering!

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Rage against the Machine yet. Mind you, they probably weren't around long enough to really be considered the greatest, and given the fact that they are very much to the left on the political spectrum doesn't help much either.

Most rockers are leftists. RATM are not the greatest band ever because their songs are all based on the same formula and they didn't meaningfully do anything new (no, pointing a remote control at your guitar does not count).

"So emotional?" You haven't seen me when I actually do get worked up, obviously. ;)

Yeah, he should see you when you're on your frothing-at-the-mouth crusade for, well, rationality of all things.

I don't think music is a valid thing to get worked up about. Politics, sure... but not music. Not in this context, anyway.
I used to spend a lot of time on a music forum (www.tabcrawler.com) and people get really emotional about music. I saw much worse flaming there than I've ever seen here.

I interpret "Rock" as being a huge umbrella genre that includes many different sub-genres, one of them being metal.

I'd have to say that Emperor was the best there ever was.
I like your attitude.

Because Rush sucks.
No, they don't.

Each member of the band is a virtuoso musician. Admittedly their career is not a consistent run of perfection - they are not in the top echelon - Rush have written some rather influential songs and albums. Progressive rock, metal and power metal would be much at a loss without them.

Anyone who didn't say Led Zeppelin can die a horrible, firey death.

ALL HAIL THE LORDS OF ROCK LED ZEPPELIN. GRACE US WITH THY MIGHTY GUITAR!
You're making even me hate Led Zeppelin.

Aerosmith, bar none. That's Rock at its finest.

Are you serious? They are the blandest band ever IMO.


All of the above creat a good rock band. And sometimes you can make up for lack of one with an over abundance for another.
I didn't say that techical skill was all that mattered (although it's important) but it is the only objective measure in this subjective field.

Some Jazz, then again there are the Jazz greats who weren;t that good at there instrument.
I can't think of any "Jazz great" that was not also a virtuoso.

I can't believe that only you and I have mentioned them. This place must be crammed with philistines. ;) Pink Floyd is intelligent music.

And what am I? chopped liver?

Granted, and somewhat agreed, but as a musician and a music teacher, I tend to look towards the spirit of the genre. Rock has a certain spirit to it. It's not political, it's not about a message. Rock is about, well, girls ... and sometimes cars and drugs ... but mostly it's about girls.

So you judge music on the lyrics? I abhor that.

So you judge music on the lyrics? I abhor that.

I judge songs on the lyrics. That is because, in nearly all cases, songs start out as a poem in someone's spiral notebook that get put into music later.

I judge music on its spirit and intent. Nothing more.

One of the best examples of this is the song "Smells Like Teen Spirit". It's a mediocre song by a decent band, but when Tori Amos, a true musician, got ahold of the lyrics, it became a master work. She captured the spirit of the poem. It should have never been a Rock song.

I agree with you re: Floyd. The only good song released after 'The Final Cut' was 'High Hopes', and that wasn't spectacular. But they were awesome at Live8.


just SOOO not true. :confused: Learning to Fly, Sorrow, On the Turning Away, Poles Apart, Coming Back to Life, and Marooned are all incredible songs. The guitar work on The Division Bell is just plain awesome!

If Floyd was good at Live 8, then Axl Rose was good at the 2002 VMA's.

If Floyd was good at Live 8, then Axl Rose was good at the 2002 VMA's.

well I didn't see the 02 VMA's but both Floyd and The Who kicked serious ass at Live 8!

Rock and Roll: Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band.

Heavy Metal: Iron Maiden. They are the greatest live, also. NOBODY follows Maiden onstage. They upstaged Ozzy and Sabbath every night during Ozzfest that they played, which I think probably was part of the motivation behind a certain incident, but that's just my opinion...Also, Bruce Dickinson is one of the greatest male vocalists in metal. Geoff Tate and Rob Halford are in his league, but I really can't think of anyone else at the moment.

Pomp Rock: Fates Warning. If you've never heard them before, they are worth checking out. They're a lot like Dream Theater but with tighter, shorter songs.

Country Rock: Old 97's.

Actually even though I disagree with quite a bit of the politics of their music, I tend to like System of a Down a whole heck of a lot and there probably my favorite band today............But if this isn't about favorites, I guess I'd have to go with bands which had many influences like Hendrix, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, and Led Zeppelin. Preferably Led Zeppelin because I actually really like them as to where I haven't listened to much Floyd or Hendrix and only tend to like a few select songs from The Beatles, but I do respect them all.

Those are the worst power metal bands! Listen to Blind Guardian and Nightwish! Uh… Nightwish aren't power metal.

Also, Bruce Dickinson is one of the greatest male vocalists in metal. Geoff Tate and Rob Halford are in his league, but I really can't think of anyone else at the moment. Joacim Cans and Vortex (don't know his real name) are great as well. Eric Adams ain't bad either.

I judge songs on the lyrics. That is because, in nearly all cases, songs start out as a poem in someone's spiral notebook that get put into music later.
Actually most bands I know write music and then they write lyircs to fit around the riffs. Very few rock musicians start out as "poets".

I judge music by its emotional effect on me. I agree about your opinion of Tori's cover of Teen Spirit.

Uh… Nightwish aren't power metal.
Yes, they are. Their music shares all the characteristics of power metal. The main difference is that they have an actual female vocalist whereas most power metal bands have a man trying to sing like a woman. I would actually say that Blind Guardian have less in common with power metal than Nightwish.

Joacim Cans.
He is average to good in the studio and utter crap live. I give him 5 out of 10.

Yes, they are. Their music shares all the characteristics of power metal. The main difference is that they have an actual female vocalist whereas most power metal bands have a man trying to sing like a woman. I would actually say that Blind Guardian have less in common with power metal than Nightwish. They are very symphonic - very. Ghost Love Score really isn't power metal at all.
LOL at man trying to sing like woman! Or it could be the tight leather trousers having an "effect"…

stone temple pilots are were one of my favorite bands, i have most of their cds, but back to the way beginning of this thread, the jefferson airplane is not a rock band, there a trip band, go ask alice? song sucked

Joacim Cans and Vortex (don't know his real name) are great as well. Eric Adams ain't bad either.

If you're talking about Vortex of Dimmu Borgir (formerly of Borknagar) his real name is Simen Hestas (last name might be misspelled). And yes, he is a great vocalist, and I actually like him better than Bruce of Iron Maiden, because Simen plays bass guitar well in additon to vocals.

Peter Steele of Type O Negative is excellent as well.

just SOOO not true. :confused: Learning to Fly, Sorrow, On the Turning Away, Poles Apart, Coming Back to Life, and Marooned are all incredible songs. The guitar work on The Division Bell is just plain awesome!

They were nothing to do with Pink Floyd, just a pile of ageing muso hacks despoiling the memory with glossy, overproduced pieces of nothing. What did the lyrics mean? I mean, godsakes, FLOYD LYRICS HAD MEANING. "Learning to fly"? A half arsed retelling of Icarus. And thats the only one i can remember.

God.

I have to agree with LED ZEPPLIN!!!!!!!!!

Even though it is a cliched answer: Led Zeppelin. And I'm not just saying that...they truly are THE best band ever (as well as my favorite band). Close second goes to Rush!

There, I corrected your list.

DIE, HIJACKER!

Who wrote the best songs? [on aggregate, the top three are the Beatles, the Who, and the Rolling Stones]
Who were the best at their instruments? [The Who, the Rolling Stones, or the Jimi Hendrix Experience]
Who had the best stage presence? [The Who, hands down. Almost anyone who ever saw them in their prime won't argue.]
Who had the best studio presence? [Steely Dan, the Beatles, the Who]

Hey guys, I think Melkor likes The Who.

Hey guys, I think Melkor likes The Who.

Not really, but because of his studio work in the early 70s, he gets a $0.48 check every time one of their albums is sold and $0.02 every time one of their songs is played on the radio.

They were nothing to do with Pink Floyd, just a pile of ageing muso hacks despoiling the memory with glossy, overproduced pieces of nothing. What did the lyrics mean? I mean, godsakes, FLOYD LYRICS HAD MEANING. "Learning to fly"? A half arsed retelling of Icarus. And thats the only one i can remember.

God.

I want to tell you a story
About a little man
If I can.
A gnome named Grimble Crumble.
And little gnomes stay in their homes.
Eating, sleeping, drinking their wine.

He wore a scarlet tunic,
A blue green hood,
It looked quite good.
He had a big adventure
Amidst the grass
Fresh air at last.
Wining, dining, biding his time.
And then one day - hooray!
Another way for gnomes to say
Oooooooooomray.

Look at the sky, look at the river
Isn't it good?
Look at the sky, look at the river
Isn't it good?
Winding, finding places to go.
And then one day - hooray!
Another way for gnomes to say
Oooooooooomray.
Ooooooooooooooomray.

Yeah, sure.

And your choice???
The Thirteenth Floor Elevators.

Well, depending on my mood... hmm. Iggy Pop/the Stooges? David Bowie... but I really like the Butthole Surfers, too... Reverend Horton Heat... And oh yeah, the band I'm listening to right now: The Fugs!

Man I like The Fugs.

[i]I want to tell you a story
*snips*
Yeah, sure.
Yeahhh. Besides, they were better when they were being whimsical and spontaneous and stuff. Like when Syd was doing the writing and the singing and the graphic design. What a wildcard he was. Without him, they became as musicians what they'd been studying to become at school: architects. Their music eventually became increasingly ordered, structured, unspontaneous and that just goes to show you that if the trade-off for meaning in song lyrics is the devolution of creativity, it just ain't worth it.

Say what??? :eek:

WTF is a "Pixie?" ROFLMAO!

Heh. Ever heard that song Where is my Mind?

Probably past your generation. ;)

The Pixies:

http://rateyourmusic.com/view_albums?artist_id=229

Jeez, man, I didn't know you were going to get so emotional about it. I'm sorry I brought it up.

On an unrelated note, I can't believe I didn't mention the Velvet Underground. Good choice, Isselmere.

The Velvet Underground definitely deserve a mention.

Nirvana is pretty influenced by the Pixies. Cobain once said that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was his attempt at making a Pixies song. Not that I'm trying to downplay Nirvana or anything.

Yeah, but that's the only song directly influenced, really.

I certainly do not hear much the Pixies when I listen to Bleach or In Utero. :p

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Rage against the Machine yet. Mind you, they probably weren't around long enough to really be considered the greatest, and given the fact that they are very much to the left on the political spectrum doesn't help much either.

RATM are great, but while the selftitled album and Battle of LA are two of my most favourite albums, I don't like Evil Empire that much. Even if I did, three original albums isn't really enough to qualify as the "greatest". (Renegades doesn't count)

They definitely deserve a mention in any "great rock bands" thread, though.

Like Zeppelin, they're played all too frequently and to boot ClearChannel entertainment seems to think both bands released about 20 songs. Perhaps if they expanded their playlists a bit I might be more forgiving, but Floyd and Zeppelin are just too overplayed.

Hmm...I never really had that problem. I don't listen to radio, so I discovered both bands independently without having it crammed down my throat.

I had the same problem with Nirvana, actually, so I understand where you're coming from. After I got into them on my own, though, they became a favourite. I find that avoiding the radio helps immensely with some bands...but certainly not all. :p


Close, very close, second: Social Distortion.

Oooh, good pick.

I think it's interesting that you bash bands that apparently "use effects and noises," and yet you name bands like Rage and MXPX that make heavy use of effects and noises.

RATM don't use "effects and noises". They prided themselves on using only their instruments - unless by effects you mean wah, etc.

RATM are not the greatest band ever because their songs are all based on the same formula and they didn't meaningfully do anything new (no, pointing a remote control at your guitar does not count).

Oh, I disagree completely.

Their albums all sound unique, and they were among the first, if not the first, band to successfully meld hip-hop and rock.

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Whew. Yes, I was bored. :p

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Best post-hardcore I've head in a while. Brilliant live.

Best rock band ever...meh...

I'd have to be totally subjective. I don't do that :p However, the best metal band is Kyuss....Black Sabbath close behind. The best punk band is the Dead Kennedys...

So that would leave Led Zeppelin and Nirvana tied for best rock band. Even though they're totally different.

Meh.

I consider Nirvana hugely overrated. If Cobain hadn't blown his brains out Nirvana would have, probably, been forgotten by now. Although there's no accounting for elvisitis.

Beatles on top followed by Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd.

Their albums all sound unique, and they were among the first, if not the first, band to successfully meld hip-hop and rock.

Sorry, you appear to be talking about The Clash here, not RATM.

Anyone heard of a band called "backbone 69". I've heard one of there songs called trouble follows and it is mind blowing sort of Hendrixy if you get the drift. any way cannot find the there one and only album "fly me to the moon", so if any one has even heard of them please tell me

Sorry, you appear to be talking about The Clash here, not RATM.

Okay, i'll give you that one, although The Clash are more reggae-inspired rather than hip-hop or rap inspired; RATM had Run DMC, NWA, Public Enemy, etc. as influences. Maybe I see hip-hop differently to you. I'm not familiar with the really early stuff - it's like how the meaning of R&B has been twisted.

I consider Nirvana hugely overrated. If Cobain hadn't blown his brains out Nirvana would have, probably, been forgotten by now. Although there's no accounting for elvisitis.

I used to think that, however I only got into them after hearing their first album, Bleach, on a friend's insistence - it's quite different from their later work. I still think Nevermind is somewhat overrated (Though still a really good album), but i see In Utero in particular is an underappreciated masterpiece. I beg to differ that they would have been forgotten about had Kurt lived...it's a line I hear often, but people still remember Soundgarden and the Smashing Pumpkins, both a fair bit lesser in stature than Nirvana, for example. Cobain god-worship is silly, yes, but to me, Nirvana remains a band that made simply great rock music - No technical instrument wanking (though contrary to popular belief, Cobain was capable of it), no pretensions of being larger-than-life, no mindless image following (their imitators were guilty of this; not Nirvana themselves)...they just made music. And they were damn good at it while it lasted.

(Also; I probably wouldn't be into music today, and I certainly wouldn't have picked up a guitar if I didn't discover them. For the record, I got into them several years after the hype...)

Okay, i'll give you that one, although The Clash are more reggae-inspired rather than hip-hop or rap inspired; ....


Although the claim that they were heavily influenced by reggae is certainly a sound one, relegating the rap and hip-hop influences post-79 is to minimise the big effect they had on the band. They were taking the lead from Grandmaster Flash and The Sugarhill Gang and Afrika Bambataa. Of course, they weren't the first white rock band to have a rap single, that goes to Blondie, but they were the first white rock band to have a rap single and actually sound like a rock band with it, unlike Blondie's fairly anonymous disco sound as far as Rapture went.

Their more blatantly rap/hip-hop tunes: The Magnificent Seven, Ivan Meets G.I. Joe,Lightning Strikes, Escapades Of Futura 2000, Car Jamming, Radio Clash.

We needn't mention Big Audio Dynamite, as with the exception of a few early singles they were largely a failed experiment.

Lynyrd Skynyrd, AC/DC, Def Leppard, CCR...

The Clash

Led Zep
Beatles
Black Sabbath

Well, the beatles are the greaetest band of all time- anywhere, every where. Even if they aren't metal, they are the best

If anybody says Lynyrd Skynyrd, they're getting a fat lip.

My vote doesn't go for any band. There is no "best" or "greatest" band.

Tough luck boyo, Lynyrd Skynyrd defined a genre, they are the greatest Souther Rock band, at the very least.

I personally prefer Metallica though, or maybe .38 Special.

Tough luck boyo, Lynyrd Skynyrd defined a genre, they are the greatest Souther Rock band, at the very least.

I beg to differ - The Allman Brothers got there first and created the genre: Lynyrd Skynyrd merely traipsed along in their footsteps.

Tough luck boyo, Lynyrd Skynyrd defined a genre, they are the greatest Souther Rock band, at the very least.

Wow, what a surprise. Somebody South of the Mason-Dixon line calling Lynyrd Skynyrd a great band.

And yes, I do see the irony in this, that I am myself from the South. I don't have to like it, though, and I sure as hell don't act or sound like it.

Lynyrd Skynyrd fucking blew. That planecrash did them a world of good, as far as I'm concerned.

The Smashing Pumpkins. Nirvana. Radiohead. Metallica.

There's four.

Especially Radiohead. Although not that out and out rock. Still count as far as I'm concerned.

I've not heard them. Glen Matlock's band was pretty good, though you can perhaps see why PiL got more attention...

Yeah, the Rich Kids were wonderful Power-Pop-Punk. They were slower than the Buzzcocks, but they had much more power.

However, PIL were far more diverse, possibly moreso than any other group. You can't really call them a band.

Glen Matlock's latest band is great, as well. The Philistines are bass-driven Rock 'n' Roll, plain and simple. Very loud, powerful stuff.

The Smashing Pumpkins. Nirvana. Radiohead. Metallica.

There's four.

Especially Radiohead. Although not that out and out rock. Still count as far as I'm concerned.

Dude, Husker Du's like all four of those mixed together. You should really consider giving them a listen (their sound changes from album to album, so there's a lot to go around).

Dude, Husker Du's like all four of those mixed together. You should really consider giving them a listen (their sound changes from album to album, so there's a lot to go around).
Recommend me an album by them and I'll see about acquiring it.

My personal choice would be either "The Grateful Dead" or "The Jefferson Airplane" ( later known as "The Jefferson Starship" ). :D

And your choice??? ( Just open up your mouth and spit! ) :D

Two quality bands !
Are you a fan of Love (With Arthur Lee) ?

Maybe you'd be a Fairport fan too, influenced by Jefferson Airplane and English Folk music.
:cool:

Although the claim that they were heavily influenced by reggae is certainly a sound one, relegating the rap and hip-hop influences post-79 is to minimise the big effect they had on the band. They were taking the lead from Grandmaster Flash and The Sugarhill Gang and Afrika Bambataa. Of course, they weren't the first white rock band to have a rap single, that goes to Blondie, but they were the first white rock band to have a rap single and actually sound like a rock band with it, unlike Blondie's fairly anonymous disco sound as far as Rapture went.

Their more blatantly rap/hip-hop tunes: The Magnificent Seven, Ivan Meets G.I. Joe,Lightning Strikes, Escapades Of Futura 2000, Car Jamming, Radio Clash.

We needn't mention Big Audio Dynamite, as with the exception of a few early singles they were largely a failed experiment.

Okay, you're right. I'll correct myself. (Although i'm not a real great fan of that era of the Clash)

RATM were the first band to successfully meld punk, metal, and hip-hop. :p

Actually, shit...no they weren't. Faith No More...

See, you didn't need to defeat my argument. I did it myself! :p

Who wrote the best songs? [on aggregate, the top three are the Beatles, the Who, and the Rolling Stones]
Who were the best at their instruments? [The Who, the Rolling Stones, or the Jimi Hendrix Experience]
Who had the best stage presence? [The Who, hands down. Almost anyone who ever saw them in their prime won't argue.]
Who had the best studio presence? [Steely Dan, the Beatles, the Who]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and tidy up your list...

Who wrote the best songs? This is really subjective. Scratch that --- Very subjective. There are no "best" songs.

Who were the best at their instruments? I can think of quite a few bands that were better at what they did than The Who and the Stones. You got it right with the Jimi Hendrix Experience, of course. I'll just go ahead and replace The Who and the Stones with Rush and AC/DC.

Who had the best stage presence? You're absolutely right about The Who having a hell of a stage presence. The Sex Pistols had them beat by a mile, though. They still do... Their reunion shows were/are (get the bootleg videos!) extremely entertaining. You could argue that the Ramones were up there with them, too. Special mention goes to the Professionals and Husker Du.

Who had the best studio presence? I'll give you the Beatles, definitely. The Who made some great recordings, but Queen did a better job. Steely Dan? I'm going to say Bob Mould. Not a band, I know, but he's just that good at what he does.

See? It's all very subjective.

Two quality bands !
Are you a fan of Love (With Arthur Lee) ?

Maybe you'd be a Fairport fan too, influenced by Jefferson Airplane and English Folk music.
:cool:
Sadly, no. I don't really listen to music much anymore. Perhaps I should start again, yes? :)

Recommend me an album by them and I'll see about acquiring it.

For their most Metal sound, check out Metal Circus.

For their most hardcore sound, get Everything Falls Apart.

For their breakthrough concept album, get Zen Arcade.

For their best overall melding of sound, get New Day Rising.

Flip Your Wig and Candy Apple Grey are great Punk/Folk albums.

Warehouse: Songs and Stories is their most mature album. It's like REM, but with much more energy.

Hey, I can't recommend just one! :p

And yes, I do see the irony in this, that I am myself from the South. I don't have to like it, though, and I sure as hell don't act or sound like it.
no shit :rolleyes:

Heh. Ever heard that song Where is my Mind?

Probably past your generation. ;)

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Whew. Yes, I was bored. :p
K, I love ya like a bro, but ... bite me! :D

no shit :rolleyes:

*hands you a cookie*

They are very symphonic - very. Ghost Love Score really isn't power metal at all.
Ghost Love Score isn't power metal? Maybe not, but Elvenpath
Beauty And The Beast
The Carpenter
Astral Romance
Angels Fall First
Tutankhamen
Nymphomaniac Fantasia
Know Why The Nightingale Sings?
Stargazers
Gethsemane
Devil & The Deep Dark Ocean
Sacrament Of Wilderness
Passion & The Opera
Moondance
The Riddler
Pharaoh Sails To Orion
Sleeping Sun
She Is My Sin
The Kinslayer
Come Cover Me
Wanderlust
Wishmaster
Bare Grace Misery
Crownless
Deep Silent Complete
Dead Boy's Poem
FantasMic

are power metal. Which albums of theirs do you have? Only the new ones I suppose. I suggest buying Oceanborn, Wishmaster and Angels Fall First.

Who were the best at their instruments? I can think of quite a few bands that were better at what they did than The Who and the Stones. You got it right with the Jimi Hendrix Experience, of course. I'll just go ahead and replace The Who and the Stones with Rush and AC/DC.

AC/DC? Since when were they good at their instruments? Rush is a good choice, but there are many more skilled bands. I don't see why we should limit ourselves to classic rock.

AC/DC? Since when were they good at their instruments? Rush is a good choice, but there are many more skilled bands. I don't see why we should limit ourselves to classic rock.

This is a joke, right? Angus Young is a fucking great guitarist. Absolutely outstanding.

I'm not exactly limiting myself to classic Rock, either. I feel that Sugar is up their with the best, instrumental-wise.

K, I love ya like a bro, but ... bite me! :D

Hahahaha...

Hey, it's never too late to check out good music. :D


One two three
She's a real left winger 'cause she been down south
And held peasants in her arms
She said "I could tell you a story that could make you cry"
"What about you?"
I said "Me too...I could tell you a story that will make you cry"
And she sighed "Aaahh"
I said "I wanna be a singer like Lou Reed"
"I like Lou Reed" she said sticking her tongue in my ear
"Let's go, let's sit, let's talk"
"Politics go so good with beer"
"And while we're at it baby, why don't you tell me one of your biggest fears?"
I said "Loosing my penis to a whore with disease"
"EXCUSE ME PLEASE!?!?!?"
"Just kidding" I said "Loosing my life to a whore with disease"
I said "Please... I'm a humble guy with a healthy desire"
"Don't give me no shit because...I've been tired!

:p

This is a joke, right? Angus Young is a fucking great guitarist. Absolutely outstanding.

I gotta agree with Swimmingpool...AC/DC weren't about technicality.

I gotta agree with Swimmingpool...AC/DC weren't about technicality.

True, but that doesn't mean that Angus wasn't (and isn't) a great guitarist. He's very good.

And my point still stands: They could play better than The Who.

Not strixtly rock but Linkin Park before they teamed up with Jay-Z had some awsome songs. Nowadays I listen to Korn and the sexpistols. See my region. please join it

Not strixtly rock but Linkin Park before they teamed up with Jay-Z had some awsome songs. Nowadays I listen to Korn and the sexpistols. See my region. please join it

I see you listen to one good band out of those you mentioned. :p

True, but that doesn't mean that Angus wasn't (and isn't) a great guitarist. He's very good.

And my point still stands: They could play better than The Who.

I'd put them on par.

I'd put them on par.

Meh, I guess.

Sugar could still out-play both of them. Man On The Moon, people.

*hands you a cookie*
[ sends it to the lab to be tested ] :D

Meh, I guess.

Sugar could still out-play both of them. Man On The Moon, people.

I wouldn't say that, either...

The best instrumentalist in rock was probably Hendrix.

For anything more technical than that, it's metal, or jazz...or classical...

Queen FTW!

I wouldn't say that, either...

The best instrumentalist in rock was probably Hendrix.

For anything more technical than that, it's metal, or jazz...or classical...

Pfff, you've only heard the live version I sent you. The Copper Blue version is a spectacle. Too bad I lost it in that reformat...

Nah, they're not the best. They're pretty high on the list, though.

Pfff, you've only heard the live version I sent you. The Copper Blue version is a spectacle. Too bad I lost it in that reformat...

Nah, they're not the best. They're pretty high on the list, though.

Nah. From a cursory glance at some tablature, their music really isn't that difficult. Power chords, open chords, and alternate tunings to make weird open chords easier to play.

Instrumental skill isn't what it's about, though.

Nah. From a cursory glance at some tablature, their music really isn't that difficult. Power chords, open chords, and alternate tunings to make weird open chords easier to play.

Instrumental skill isn't what it's about, though.

I'm going by the way the music sounds.

Music can be extremely difficult and sound great, but it can also be extremely difficult and sound like shit. There's a difference between being really good with chords, and being really good with chords and knowing when and where to use them.

The answer to this question is, Ted Leo & The Pharmacists, the only possible excuse someone with full hearing has for disagreeing is never hearing them/him.

I'm going by the way the music sounds.

Music can be extremely difficult and sound great, but it can also be extremely difficult and sound like shit. There's a difference between being really good with chords, and being really good with chords and knowing when and where to use them.

Yeah, you're correct...but that makes you a great songwriter, not necessarily a great instrumentalist.

This is a joke, right? Angus Young is a fucking great guitarist. Absolutely outstanding.

I'm not exactly limiting myself to classic Rock, either. I feel that Sugar is up their with the best, instrumental-wise.
Do you play the guitar? Power chords and pentatonic solos are pretty easy.

If you're not limiting yourself to classic rock, why even mention AC/DC and Rush?

True, but that doesn't mean that Angus wasn't (and isn't) a great guitarist. He's very good.
You were the one who brought up technical skill and nominated Angus for the honour.

I wouldn't say that, either...

The best instrumentalist in rock was probably Hendrix.

Frank Zappa, Geddy Lee, Steve Vai.

Surely it's far, far, far better to be a Bernard Sumner (New Order) who is an amazing songwriter but average technically with his instrument than to be amazing at playing but not having the songs to play?

Yeah, you're correct...but that makes you a great songwriter, not necessarily a great instrumentalist.

Hmm... Correct.

I think I went and mixed myself up there. Still, that's far more important than being a great instrumentalist.

Do you play the guitar? Power chords and pentatonic solos are pretty easy.

If you're not limiting yourself to classic rock, why even mention AC/DC and Rush?


You were the one who brought up technical skill and nominated Angus for the honour.

1: Learning. So far, they seem easy enough... It's just building speed that hurts.

2: Why not?

3: Yeah, because he's a very good guitarist.

Frank Zappa, Geddy Lee, Steve Vai.

Satriani.

Surely it's far, far, far better to be a Bernard Sumner (New Order) who is an amazing songwriter but average technically with his instrument than to be amazing at playing but not having the songs to play?

Not familiar with his work, but in principle, yep, definitely.

Satriani.



Not familiar with his work, but in principle, yep, definitely.

1: Satriani is a guitar god.

2: Yep. Again, I point to Bob Dylan: He doesn't know the correct finger positions for chords, nor does he really know how to sing. But, he's one of the best songwriters ever. That's what makes his music great.

2: Yep. Again, I point to Bob Dylan: He doesn't know the correct finger positions for chords

Now...i'm not familiar with all of his work, but i'm dubious. What gave you that idea?

EDIT- And besides, every combination of notes on the guitar is a chord (whether it sounds good or not is a different story). there is no "correct" positioning. He most likely intended it that way. (though i'm still not sure what exactly you mean)

Eh, i'll read your reply in the morning. I'm running on empty batteries and need sleep.

Now...i'm not familiar with all of his work, but i'm dubious. What gave you that idea?

Eh, i'll read your reply in the morning. I'm running on empty batteries and need sleep.

Well, you'd really have to see him play, methinks. He looks like a child who's just learning how to play. And don't ask what's with the harmonica. Nobody knows. :p

You said that... Hours ago! *shakes fist*

Not familiar with his work, but in principle, yep, definitely.

Dude :( NEW ORDER

Journey "Lights" that isnt really a strong Rock Band But its old classic

When the lights go down in the City
And the sun shines on the bay
I want to be there in my City
Ooh, ooh

Journey "Lights" that isnt really a strong Rock Band But its old classic

Wow, my brain hurts.

Whoever posted about Rage Against the Machine being similar the whole through... I'm sorry but you are a musically retarded idiot. Listen to their self titled, and then listen to the battle of lost angelas.

If you wanna judge based on lyrics (which would be dumb), it was EASILY a toss up between Rage and Nirvana.

If you wanna judge based on talent (which would be dumb), it's easily dream theatre.

If you wanna judge based on originality (which would be dumb), it's easily someone like the clash or fuller.

If you wanna judge based on listenability (which would be dumb), it's whatever you enjoy the most.

Thing is, this thread is about an opinion, and everyone has different criteria.

For me, the greatest rock band of all time, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, is operation ivy.

Catchtiest, most fun bass player of all time, hands down.
Awesome, raw, passionate vocals.
Always hard, always exciting.
Simple, yet fast as fuck and catchy drummer.
Catchy guitar parts, complex structures, original chord progressions.
LYRICS:

"The position being taken is not to be mistaken
For attempted education or righteous accusation
Only a description just an observation of the pitiful
Condition of our degeneration
Walls made of opinions thru which we speak and never listen
Ceiling made of pride vicious and self satisfied
Door thats made of rage hard and slowly aged
Always closing tighter with every war that's waged
Room without a window cant see out...
Floor is made of lives wed gladly end to stay inside
Corners made of borders, borders made of law and order
Painted with the words of politicians and religion
Plastered with the wreckage of our cultural division
Room without a window cant see out..."


"Expensive vitamin pills and wheat germ on your windowsil
Your schedule's hectic and you've got no time to kill
Earning money and you're spending it the right way
Just in such a rush you don't know if it's night or day

5:30 get up, run run run
Then you work eight hours
Slaving under the gun
Little world is based on lies lies lies
Always rushing but you're never ever satisfied

Healthy body sick mind
You're working overtime
Healthy body sick mind
Too hectic, too hectic
Healthy body sick mind

It's just a matter of time
Sick body sick mind!

The money you spend on running shoes could feed me for a week
Your plans are laid so well you can't even sleep
Pursuit of happiness got you life locked up under marshall law
You got everything to lose so you're paranoid about some fatal flaw

5:30 get up, run run run
Then you work eight hours
Slaving underneath the gun
Little world is based on lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies
Ooooooooooooooooooooh!
Always rushing but you're never ever satisfied

Healthy body sick mind
You're working overtime
Healthy body sick mind
Too hectic, too hectic
Healthy body sick mind
Why don't you just unwind?
It's just a matter of time
Sick body sick mind!"

"Wrenched into the world, deanaesthetized
Blurry images fight their way through halfway opened eyes
Awakened by alarm fifteen minutes of hygeine
Twenty minutes of eating thirty seconds to the door
I looked outside I looked into the eyes
Of the impersonal mob I've seen a thousand times before
Feelings under covers like books on a shelf
If we're scared of one another
Must be scared of ourself
More than just another crowd
We need a gathering instead
Drink drink in the badlands liquid bread for the poor
Another member of the crowd goes down to drown at the liquor store
Choose your escape in the heartland
Of product and demand when you feel like a wasp in the swarm
You gotta get away anyway that you can"

Obviously amazing lyrics. Operation Ivy is MY greatest band of all time. This should be about "yours," and your explanation why. No one is going to change anyone else's opinion here.

Frank Zappa.
You musta been down at Joe's Garage and got an ice pick in the forehead? :rolleyes:

The Rolling Stones.