NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170610,00.html

First off, I'll conceed that this guy is probably only interested in joining so he can make a point--that Tennessee's black legislators have practices that are unfairly discriminatory towards whites. But it nonetheless raises some pretty poignant questions.

1. Is it ever ok for a group of black legislators to prohibit white legislators from joining their caucus based on the color of their skin? If so, why?

I'm also baffled by the black members' charges of racism--

2. why don't they just say that he's only joining to make trouble and leave it at that?

Let's pretend that an exclusive group of white businessmen called "crackers'r'us", feel like affirmative action places white business owners and other whites at a disadvantage, and they get together once a week to brainstorm about how to do away with affirmative action so as to "promote equality among the races".

Now let's say that a black person wants to join their group, claiming that he too believes that affirmative action unfairly gives blacks advantages, and that decisions of preference should be based on an individual's actual circumstances instead of the color of his/her skin. He is passionate about equality among the races, but he also suspects that crackers'r'us is basically a good'ol boys club that prefers to whine about how tough whites have it rather than actually do anything.

The crackers'r'us folks don't let him join. "This black man is a trouble-maker and a racist for wanting to join us," they say. If this happened, I think it would be pretty obvious that the crackers' folks were either out of their minds or exposed as the racists they are.

This is how I perceive Tennessee's black caucus.

My last question, then, is

3. given that the black caucus' bylaws prohibit whites from joining their caucus, how is it that they're in a position to call someone racist for wanting to join them?

"Caucus chairman Rep. Johnny Shaw (search), a Democrat, dismissed Campfield's request and called him a "strange guy" who was simply interested in stirring up trouble." This made me laugh when I read the article.

You know .... Whites control 99.9% of everything in the United States.

Cracks me right the fuck up when they get mad and flustered that they can't have that other 0.1%.

Deal with it.

You know .... Whites control 99.9% of everything in the United States.

Cracks me right the fuck up when they get mad and flustered that they can't have that other 0.1%.

Deal with it.

So white people are a single uniform thinking conglomerate? Because I sure as hell don't control anything.

something like a "black legislative caucus" is, despite the name, a wholly private club that is in no overt way involved, in and of itself, with any government function... So they're allowed to have effed up racist bylaws if the want to.

The part that cracks me up? If anyone thought of forming anything called a "White Legislative Caucus" (Or, for that matter, a tv network called "White Entertainment Television" or a magazine called "Ivory") it would rain shit and blood for weeks. I think it's all racist, and a load of crap.

And, for the record, the other half of the mixed-race couple I belong to agrees.

Funny thing, that racism. It works both ways.

You know .... Whites control 99.9% of everything in the United States.

Cracks me right the fuck up when they get mad and flustered that they can't have that other 0.1%.

Deal with it.

how dare they not allow us to also dominate their own groups too?!

If anyone thought of forming anything called a "White Legislative Caucus" ... it would rain shit and blood for weeks.

the gop?

It is totally part of the double standard. Only minority groups are "allowed" to be racist.

A hilarious example of this is my new friend at university (who is Chinese I think, because I am under the impression that it is racist or impolite to ask where they come from: because it implies that they are from another country) where the majority of what we talk about is how he can say racist things and I cannot.

If we were to walk down a street and he would make a racist comment about another minority he would not get a second glance. But the one time, THE ONE TIME I made a racist comment I got the scariest eye of death I have ever gotten.

Affirmative action confuses me, like for scholarships; there were multiple black/Asian/aboriginal only scholarship awards, but no white only scholarships.

At the street fair I swear that over half of the clubs were Asian clubs, a few black clubs and like 1 or 2 other various race/ethnicity clubs, I did not see one "white" club.

Why is alright for other races/ethnicities to exclude the white people, but if we even thought of it, it would be racist?

Please don't hate me for saying this; it's just something that is confusing. In fact I will probably be called a racist for even bringing up this point.

When, oh when, will Whitey ever get a fair shake?

Every white person is racist. I love secret text so much, I use it when it doesn't even make sense to. If you want to be cool, howsoever, please add "Peanut" to all your posts, in secret text.
Seriously.

I propose that a chemical agent be introduced into the world's water supply that will make everyone grey.

Why is alright for other races/ethnicities to exclude the white people, but if we even thought of it, it would be racist?

because white people had officially sanctioned exclusionary laws and practices in place up to the time when today's generation's parents were growing up, and unofficial ones in place up to the present day. because white people still hold an almost total monopoly on positions of political and economic power as a direct result of those things. because white people tend to treat the opinions of people of other races with patronizing contempt. as tim wise put it,

"Despite the fact that half of all blacks say they have experienced discrimination in the past 30 days, whites persist in believing that we know their realities better than they do, and that black complaints of racism are the rantings of oversensitive racial hypochondriacs. Blacks, we seem to believe, make mountains out of molehills, for Lord knows we would never make a molehill out of a mountain!"

so they feel the need to have their own seperate spaces in which to organize and advance their interests against a host of de facto whites-only clubs (like the u.s. senate, for example). who the hell are you to tell them that they shouldn't have them?

In the olden times, everyone just used to fuck everyone else until there weren't any minorities.

Then racial supremecy and religions put a stop to that. One would have hoped that once those two were consigned to the ash-heap of history, we could get back to business as usual, Unfortunately, diversity and multiculturalism seem to have come in to pinch hit for them

Why oh why can't we all just get back to the fucking?

Every white person is racist.
Seriously.

Why do you say that?

It is totally part of the double standard. Only minority groups are "allowed" to be racist.


This is something that's bothered me for a long time. It's not that I think that 'whitey' should be allowed everywhere or whatever, it's that when you operate under reverse racism, it's still racism. If someone is clamoring for equality, they have to play too. We can't be equal if everyone who's not white goes around being racist. Double standards and hypocrisy, no matter what minority you are.

I am a firm believer in the opinion that if people like Chris Rock, and these guys who start 'black only' clubs had just shut up then racism would have been out the door two or three decades ago. They're continuing the trend, when generations have passed and grown. Seriously, the civil war was over centuries ago, and the Rosa Parks incident is 60 years in the past. Shut up and let it die already.

I'm in a language course for immigrants in Sweden, over half the class is not white and I'm one of two out of nearly 20 from the states. People from Iran, Iraq, China, Thailand, India, Poland, Bangladesh, Ethiopia. The only person in the class that creates tension is the one who's angry and vocal about people needing to be 'politically correct'. Nobody else even notices, we mingle normally and comfortably, and I think that's the way it should be. I don't care what color someone is, but the moment they start getting all uppity about it THEY are the one making it an issue, and they are the one making sure that no one forgets and is able to move on.

BTW, I think like this about the whole women's movement too. If people would not yell and scream and whine about stuff then it'll fall into place. The laws are already there, so why the bitching? Just give it time to happen, it's not like there's gonna be any backsliding. But then again, I'm a woman who'd be happy being June Cleaver, so maybe my thoughts on women's rights aren't exactly normal anymore :P

Sorry for the rant...

When, oh when, will Whitey ever get a fair shake?

only after he makes sure there aren't any black people discussing stuff without him there to oversee things. until then it seems as though he will be forced to suffer under the oppressive racist regime of his black overlords.

Why do you say that?

Because its true? I can't believe I posted in PLUM!

because white people had officially sanctioned exclusionary laws and practices in place up to the time when today's generation's parents were growing up, and unofficial ones in place up to the present day. because white people still hold an almost total monopoly on positions of political and economic power as a direct result of those things. because white people tend to treat the opinions of people of other races with patronizing contempt. as tim wise put it,

"Despite the fact that half of all blacks say they have experienced discrimination in the past 30 days, whites persist in believing that we know their realities better than they do, and that black complaints of racism are the rantings of oversensitive racial hypochondriacs. Blacks, we seem to believe, make mountains out of molehills, for Lord knows we would never make a molehill out of a mountain!"

so they feel the need to have their own seperate spaces in which to organize and advance their interests against a host of de facto whites-only clubs (like the u.s. senate, for example). who the hell are you to tell them that they shouldn't have them?
Because you are trying to work to elominate something by employing the same method used to put that thing in place! If racism is wrong it is always wrong you cannot pick and choose when you accept it and when you don't, as everyone's standards are not the same.

Black only, white only, mixed race only etc only perpetuate what they say they want to be rid of. I say this planning to go to my christmas party at an Irish club in England where anyone can join.

Because its true? I can't believe I posted in PLUM!
Only if the statement: 'Everyone is racist.' is also true.

If someone is clamoring for equality, they have to play too.

yes, but after centuries of oppression and just a single generation out from legal officially enforced racism, you can't just 'call it even' and be done with it. societies don't work like that. in the words of martin luther king, "a society that has done something special against the negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the negro."

My parents were born in the early sixties, and their parents were the children of immigrants from Europe. I don't think it's right that I get grouped in with the bad guys when people say things like 'all white people are racist' when there hasn't been any in my family for like a long time. I wanted to be friends with a kid in my high school, but I couldn't because his family didn't want him hanging around with a white girl.

It's really hard for me to believe that that sort of thing is encouraging Americans to do anything but continue the racism. Just cause it's reversed doesn't make it any different, and that really doesn't help any society heal.

Only if the statement: 'Everyone is racist.' is also true.

I'm glad someone understands.

You know .... Whites control 99.9% of everything in the United States.

Cracks me right the fuck up when they get mad and flustered that they can't have that other 0.1%.

Deal with it.
Here here.

I'm glad someone understands.
What we all need to do it look at ourselves and see how far that thing influences our thoughts and actions and do something about it, with consideration.

Not allow it to be perpetuated and supported by exclusive groups.

Wait, we're taking this guy seriously?
A white Tennessee lawmaker lamenting his exclusion from the state's Black Legislative Caucus (search) claimed Tuesday the group was less accommodating that even the Ku Klux Klan.

"My understanding is that the KKK doesn't even ban members by race," said Rep. Stacey Campfield (search), adding that the KKK "has less racist bylaws" than the black lawmakers' group.

Really? We're even discussing this?

Because its true?

Why do you think it's true?

I don't believe it is. I'm a white person, and I'm not racist. I don't care what color or nationality or religion or sex or age or whatever a person may be. I'm more interested in whether or not a person is decent overall.

Why do you think it's true?

I don't believe it is. I'm a white person, and I'm not racist. I don't care what color or nationality or religion or sex or age or whatever a person may be. I'm more interested in whether or not a person is decent overall.

You might not be overtly racist, but I bet that thought have slipped into your mind, when you see a mexican hanging outside a 7/11, that they are looking for work, while the white guy is just smoking a cigarette before he goes to work. Or something along those lines, subconsciously if not consciously.

Just because you aren't a member of the KKK, doesn't mean you aren't racist. All people generalize. Race is one way of doing this. These stereotypes are often true, in general. Acting on it is racism, but thinking it is racist.

Just because you aren't a member of the KKK, doesn't mean you aren't racist. All people generalize. Race is one way of doing this. These stereotypes are often true, in general. Acting on it is racism, but thinking it is racist.

You ever read The Mind of a Mnemonist? Its about a person who has a mental condition where he can't generalize at all.

I'm reminded of the words of Homer:

Why won't they let me join thier stupid club for jerks?

... All people generalize...

I never generalize people and I dislike the kind of people who are prone to do that.

You might not be overtly racist, but I bet that thought have slipped into your mind, when you see a mexican hanging outside a 7/11, that they are looking for work, while the white guy is just smoking a cigarette before he goes to work. Or something along those lines, subconsciously if not consciously.

Just because you aren't a member of the KKK, doesn't mean you aren't racist. All people generalize. Race is one way of doing this. These stereotypes are often true, in general. Acting on it is racism, but thinking it is racist.

To the first part, no, I haven't. It's neither the way I was raised, nor the way my life experiences have tought me to deal with the world around me.

Although far more reliable, it's dangerous even to pre-classify someone based on other criteria beyond racial cues... The unwashed guy moving real slow might be a homeless person, or he might be a construction worker who's had a really bad day.

Your second part is simply incorrect. Racism is the belief that race, in and of itself, is an indication of a measure of more substantive differences between individual people of those races. It's not "generalization" and it's certainly not the acceptance or acting on of stereotypes.

The entire concept is fallacious... An old and scientifically disproven idea. There aren't acutally different "races" or species of human beings... The differences apparant to the naked eye are strictly cosmetic.

One stereotype of the American black, for instance, is that he is more violent, more prone to criminal activity, or less educated than is a white person... The stereotype, on it's face can be bourne out by statistical data... But statistical data is blind to causation.

The unfortunate reality is that a higher percentage of black children are exposed to the kind of environment that creates that sort of person... We've certainly had enough white, brown, yellow, green, and blue kinds from the same or similar areas turn out the same way, and thus prove the point that it's a matter of environment and upbringing rather than race that does this to people.

When, oh when, will Whitey ever get a fair shake?

Way to deflect the question! God forbid you have to think about what the black caucus' policies are...

There isn't an official legal definition of "black" in the US.

When, oh when, will Whitey ever get a fair shake?

*wipes the tea he just spewed on his monitor*

Thanks a lot. :p

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Seriously.
That's about as accurate as "Every black person is a crackhead".

That's about as accurate as "Every black person is a crackhead".

It makes me wonder what "race" I am.

I'm a mix of a fair number of "races".

As for my views on certain people when I walk up to 7-11, I find that I am more sensitive to economic class than I am to "race".

I've also found that making assumptions based on first glance about people I don't know is usually a mistake.

As for my views on certain people when I walk up to 7-11, I find that I am more sensitive to economic class than I am to "race".

That's the basic problem with affirmative action: it makes assumptions about who you are and what your circumstances are based on your genetic heritage.

Whenever I think of affirmative action, I think of Carlton from "the fresh prince of bel-air" getting preferential admission to a university.

I totally support giving affirmative action-type help to people who have been disadvantaged by circumstances they can't control. I just think that it's ridiculous to assume that someone needs or deserves a leg-up because they're black (or doesn't need/deserve it because they're white).

That's the basic problem with affirmative action: it makes assumptions about who you are and what your circumstances are based on your genetic heritage.

Whenever I think of affirmative action, I think of Carlton from "the fresh prince of bel-air" getting preferential admission to a university.

I totally support giving affirmative action-type help to people who have been disadvantaged by circumstances they can't control. I just think that it's ridiculous to assume that someone needs or deserves a leg-up because they're black (or doesn't need/deserve it because they're white).


There you go bringing class into it again!

But that's what it's all about - if only someone would listen!

There you go bringing class into it again!

I'm confused... did I disagree with you?

The character of Carlton Winslow was from a wealthy family, attended a boys prep school, was president of his school's Young Republican club, and loved the music of Tom Jones. He had every life advantage and was more integrated into the "white culture" than most whites are. If Carlton was real, he could nonetheless count on admission and scholarship advantages to universities because he's black.

I'm confused... did I disagree with you?

The character of Carlton Winslow was from a wealthy family, attended a boys prep school, was president of his school's Young Republican club, and loved the music of Tom Jones. He had every life advantage and was more integrated into the "white culture" than most whites are. If Carlton was real, he could nonetheless count on admission and scholarship advantages to universities because he's black.

No, I'm not disagreeing with you. Those are lines from the Monty Python movie, "The Holy Grail".

It's a discussion between two anarcho-syndicalists.

Yes, class is more important than race in the US, but no one is allowed to say it. Republicans don't want people to be aware that there's a class problem. And Democrats don't want to admit that racial groups are actually stratified by class (something that Hispanics showed in the last election).

I'm confused... did I disagree with you?

The character of Carlton Winslow was from a wealthy family, attended a boys prep school, was president of his school's Young Republican club, and loved the music of Tom Jones. He had every life advantage and was more integrated into the "white culture" than most whites are. If Carlton was real, he could nonetheless count on admission and scholarship advantages to universities because he's black.
you dont like affirmative action because a fictional character got into an elite univerity?

you dont like affirmative action because a fictional character got into an elite univerity?
No, because he has visions of a well to do person of a minority receiving special treatment, while a poor person who does not rate being a minority receives no special treatment.

Case in point.

Colleges and universities in California (Stanford is a prime example) tend not to consider Asians to be a minority. Even if they are a minority numerically.

Why? Because Asians don't have any trouble getting accepted. They test higher than anyone else.

In fact, if it weren't for the odd discriminatory admissions policies at some engineering schools in the US, almost the entire class would be composed of Asians (it already looks like that at some schools).

Wouldn't it gall you if they got special treatment on top of getting great scores?

Wouldn't it gall you if Bill Cosby's son got preferential treatment? When his father is a millionaire?

People in the US are ignorant of class. They have been deceived into setting upon each other for the meager scraps the government hands out - fighting amongst each other by race.

In the olden times, everyone just used to fuck everyone else until there weren't any minorities.

<snip>

Why oh why can't we all just get back to the fucking?

*Seconds wise Lacadaemon's statement*

*Seconds wise Lacadaemon's statement*
My parents and grandparents already did that. I did it too.

So what race am I supposed to be?

Funny thing, that racism. It works both ways.

no it doesn't. only white people can be racists.

no it doesn't. only white people can be racists.

then that leaves me out - because I'm not a white person.

then again, I'm not a black person, either.

the army had a hard time deciding what I was - I fit in the category of Other.

And the Census Bureau said to check all applicable boxes, so I checked all the boxes except white and black. I also got to add a box for one they missed.

So I guess by your twisted logic, I can't be a racist.

no it doesn't. only white people can be racists.
That is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my live.

no it doesn't. only white people can be racists.

Really? Because the Boer farmers in South Africa who are being murdered and raped would disagree. There is a genocide going on in South Africa, a genocide against white people. Racism goes both ways.

no it doesn't. only white people can be racists.
“It is an act of mercy to white people that we end your world. . . . We must end your world and bring in a new world.”

“See, you so called Jews – I’m not gonna give you the credit for being one of those that obey God. "

" Here the Jews don't like Farrakhan and so they call me 'Hitler.' Well that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He wasn't great for me as a Black man, but he was a great German and he rose Germany up from the ashes of her defeat by the united force of all of Europe and America after the first world war."

What racist white devil said all this?
Louis Eugene Walcott AKA Louis Farrakhan

you dont like affirmative action because a fictional character got into an elite univerity?

It's easier to use Carlton as a reference than a guy I know named J. Baltimore because people are familiar with Carlton. There's nothing "black" about how J. acts, the TV he watches, the music he listens to, his political views, his upbringing, his environment, or his history, but he's black on the outside. It's about what Carlton represents. You'll learn all about symbolism when you get to 6th grade english.

I can't believe I even need to explain this...

Funny thing, that racism. It works both ways.
BOTH ways? Well...as long as the two groups involved don't drag the rest of us into their both-way-havin'-racism :D

In the olden times, everyone just used to fuck everyone else until there weren't any minorities.

*snip*

Why oh why can't we all just get back to the fucking?
And you've hit on the only thing that might actually work...ever wonder why sex is so ananthema in certain cultures (including our own it seems)?

Every white person is racist. I love secret text so much, I use it when it doesn't even make sense to. If you want to be cool, howsoever, please add "Peanut" to all your posts, in secret text.
Seriously.
I'm white and I'm not racist. I have a colored televison

I'm reminded of the words of Homer:
And I thought you were going to quote the Homer of the Iliad fame... :D

BOTH ways? Well...as long as the two groups involved don't drag the rest of us into their both-way-havin'-racism :D
I like the way you think!

ME----> :fluffle: <-----Any other race

You know .... Whites control 99.9% of everything in the United States.

Cracks me right the fuck up when they get mad and flustered that they can't have that other 0.1%.

Deal with it.
I don't like the idea of Black, White or Brown Caucuses at all. It's just unnecessarily divisive.

no it doesn't. only white people can be racists.
Do you seriously think this?

You know .... Whites control 99.9% of everything in the United States.

Cracks me right the fuck up when they get mad and flustered that they can't have that other 0.1%.

Deal with it.

If blacks themselves (such as these legislators) are going to practice discrimination based on race.... who are they to charge other with racisim and expect equality ? Blacks of this type are interested in a free and equal society, as long as equal means the favor is in their court.

Hipocracy is not a way to inspire change afterall

no it doesn't. only white people can be racists.

Now he must have on interesting definition of racisim

Every white person is racist. I love secret text so much, I use it when it doesn't even make sense to. If you want to be cool, howsoever, please add "Peanut" to all your posts, in secret text.
Seriously.

no your wrong,
everyone is racist, if you take it too extereme measures.
but if you actually listen to people and hear what they say, you will discover the racism is alot stronger in blacks then it is whites, black say alot more stereotypes based on race then a white man does, im not saying white people dont, but its more common to hear those things coming from a black man.

cases such as the one here are very rare compared to the cases of blacks sueing whites, why?
has nothing to do with the theory that blacks are always beign picked on, it has alot to do with many blacks are brought up to think that if they dont get something it is because a white man took it, or a white man just didnt want to give it to them. and they can freely sue them or report them and they most of the time get their way by doing so. but if it is a whiteman that didnt get something, generally they just leave it (some blacks also just leave it) but if they do try to sue or report, people find them to be troublemakers, or just dont pay any attention to it.

For all the white people claiming all white's are rascist you can stop now. You aren't ever going to be black. Blacks will never think you're black. And being black isn't any cooler than being any other color. It's just the color of your skin. It's about as meaningful as the number of moles on your body. or the color of your hair.

then that leaves me out - because I'm not a white person.

then again, I'm not a black person, either.

the army had a hard time deciding what I was - I fit in the category of Other.

And the Census Bureau said to check all applicable boxes, so I checked all the boxes except white and black. I also got to add a box for one they missed.

So I guess by your twisted logic, I can't be a racist.

I was keeeeeding.

But that seems to be the politically correct mode of thinking.

Race doesn't exist. No one deserves more or less rights than me by consequence of birth. I don't care what color their skin is, what color their parents' skin was, what religion they were born into, what sexuality, what gender identity, what nationality, what hair color, what eye color, what height, etc. It's all ridiculous. How do you my parents and their parents didn't do more to advance the cause of civil rights than your parents? How do you know I'm not related to Hitler? Who cares if my parents were civil rights activists or Hitler? What does that have to do with me? How is telling me because I share the same skin color as someone you don't like or someone who wronged you not racist without regard for what 'race' I am or you are?

Does being poor somehow feel different these days when you're white or when you're black? Are you somehow less hungry when you don't eat? Is it less cold when you're sleeping on the ground? I don't know what acts of racism my family engaged in. I don't care. I'm not them. I do know that my family has skin colors ranging from mahogony to alabaster now. I know that when my nephews ask me what race I think they are I tell them there is no such thing and to never let anyone tell them that the color of their skin matters, except perhaps in terms of what colors of clothing go well with your complexion.

Yes, it's unfortunate that there a bunch of people who were born rich, and their parents were born rich, etc., Bush, Kerry, Gore, and those people are inevitably susceptible to sunburn. It's unfortunate that the people with money and power in this country have strove to seperate us by whatever means necessary to keep us biting at each other while they picked our pockets. It's unfortunate that even today we make more of a big deal about what country your ancestors were from than the quality of their person. None of these things change the fact that you are more likely to have something in common with someone that was born into the same class you were than with someone who shares your skin color but comes from a different class. None of these change the fact that not having a roof over your head feels the same no matter what color your skin is. And none of this will change until each and every one of us decides for ourselves that we will no longer propagate the race myth, that we will no longer allow ourselves to be classified or treated differently (for better or for worse) because of the hue of our skin.

I long for that day and anyone who doesn't is not an advocate for racial equality. I strive for that day by making race matter less and less in my life and in the lives of those around me. I can't change other people, but I can vow to not be a part of the problem. People who create a black caucus and people who attack them for doing so are both part of the problem.

What Is Racism?
The 'racist' double standard: how Whites are made to feel guilty and "hateful" for loving their own people and culture.

by Thomas Jonathan Jackson (1824-1863)

"Black pride" is said to be a wonderful and worthy thing, but anything that could be construed as an expression of White pride is a form of hatred. It is perfectly natural for third-world immigrants to expect school instruction and driver's tests in their own languages, whereas for native Americans to ask them to learn English is racist.

Blatant anti-White prejudice, in the form of affirmative action, is now the law of the land. Anything remotely like affirmative action, if practiced in favor of Whites, would be attacked as despicable favoritism.

All across the country, black, Hispanic, and Asian clubs and caucuses are thought to be fine expressions of ethnic solidarity, but any club or association expressly for Whites is by definition racist. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) campaigns openly for black advantage but is a respected "civil rights" organization. The National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP) campaigns merely for equal treatment of all races, but is said to be viciously racist.

Today, one of the favorite slogans that define the asymmetric quality of American racism is "celebration of diversity." It has begun to dawn on a few people that "diversity" is always achieved at the expense of Whites (and sometimes men), and never the other way around. No one proposes that Howard University be made more diverse by admitting Whites, Hispanics, or Asians. No one ever suggests that National Hispanic University in San Jose (CA) would benefit from the diversity of having non-Hispanics on campus. No one suggests that the Black Congressional Caucus or the executive ranks of the NAACP or the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund suffer from a lack of diversity. Somehow, it is perfectly legitimate for them to celebrate homogeneity. And yet any all-White group - a company, a town, a school, a club, a neighborhood - is thought to suffer from a crippling lack of diversity that must be remedied as quickly as possible. Only when Whites have been reduced to a minority has "diversity" been achieved."

"What then, is "racism?" It is considerably more than any dictionary is likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to official policies of racial preference for non-whites. It is any preference by whites for their own people and culture. It is any resistance by whites to the idea of becoming a minority people. It is any unwillingness to be pushed aside. It is, in short, any of the normal aspirations of people-hood that have defined nations since the beginning of history - but only so long as the aspirations are those of whites."

view entire here- http://hyvin.nukku.net/no/rasismi2.html

Now he must have on interesting definition of racisim

It is interesting. I learned that definition in an African & African-American studies course at my university. Note that I do not agree with this definition.

The explanation goes something like this. To be able to engage in socially acceptable discrimination on the basis of "race" one must have a certain amount of social power or status that puts one above the person being dicriminated against. This means that because, on the whole (at least in our little US-centered worldview), white folks have a higher amount of social power or status, thus white folks can be the only racist ones in the scenario.

I happen to think this is fallacious in that it very much oversimplifies a very complex social phenomenon that involves culture, class, and physical appearance. It also excludes other possibilies because it is from a US-centered worldview (or possibly even a European-centred worldview).

Oh how I long for the egalitarian days of Stalinist Russia, when badmouthing Uncle Joe got you shot regardless of what race you were.


Seriously though there are worse things than modern American racism. It may be ugly and unpleasant, but I assure you life gets a lot uglier in a lot of other places on this globe. In India there's nothing less than caste-based apartheid, and they don't even need racial differences to get the job done. I personally prefer being black in America to being just about anyone anywhere else in the world. And I'd certainly rather be black here than in Africa.

You know .... Whites control 99.9% of everything in the United States.

Cracks me right the fuck up when they get mad and flustered that they can't have that other 0.1%.

Deal with it.

I had a higher opinion of you then this sad little bit of words.

I had a higher opinion of you then this sad little bit of words.

Well I guess I'll just have to go hang myself then.

I'm right because I'm right is not an argument. Go away, learn how to defend a thesis, and come back when you're ready to do it right.

Dictionary.com
1 The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2 Discrimination or prejudice based on race

Does Feil believe that race accounts for differences in human character? Nope.

Has Feil ever thought less of someone because they were a different race? Nope. Has Feil ever wanted to act, or acted against or refused to act for someone on account of race? Nope.

There's Dictionar.com out of the way.

Let's try Marriam Webster.

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Rewordings of the same.

Now let's have a look at Wordsmyth, a random online dictionary
1. the theory or opinion that a certain race or races of people, usu. one's own, are superior to others because of certain inborn characteristics.
2. any policy or practice based on such a theory or opinion.

Starting to notice a theme?

Wikipedia:
Racism refers to beliefs and practices: (1) that assume inherent and significant differences exist between the genetics of various groups of human beings; (2) that assume these differences can be measured on a scale of "superior" to "inferior"; and (3) that result in the social, political and economic advantage of one group in relation to others.

Aside from the fact that this definition is so hopelessly vague as to make thinking that mental retardation, a genetic trait, accounts for significant differences, such as intelligence, or that race accounts for significant differences, such as size and pigmentation--1 and 2 are a rewording of the above, and 3.. Well, Feil doesn't control much in the way of "groups" whatever the heck those are. Unless you call online gaming/roleplay clubs "groups" based on gentic predisposition towards liking video games and roleplaying.



On the other hand, let's look at this statement:

"All whites are racist."

It states that: race accounts for differences in human character, assume inherent and significant differences exist between the genetics of various groups of human beings, a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits.

Well, gee. Who'se the racist? Dear sweet mother of Fred, could it possibly be YOU?