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Links: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4289518.stm
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/28/international/middleeast/28site.html

All can say is that's pretty fucking sick. :(

that story almost made me physically sick when i heard it this morning. whats the world coming to?

I have many personal pictures from the First Gulf War. Including photos of the dead on the so-called "Highway of Death".

Plenty of friends send me pics from Afghanistan and Iraq.

I also have an extensive collection of copies from WW II, Korea, Vietnam, and the Falklands - either copied from soldier's collections at the National Archives, or sent by friends in the UK Army (Falklands).

Soldiers take a lot of pictures of the dead. A lot. It's a historical fact.

It's just that today, a lot end up on the Internet.

I have many personal pictures from the First Gulf War. Including photos of the dead on the so-called "Highway of Death".

Plenty of friends send me pics from Afghanistan and Iraq.

I also have an extensive collection of copies from WW II, Korea, Vietnam, and the Falklands - either copied from soldier's collections at the National Archives, or sent by friends in the UK Army (Falklands).

Soldiers take a lot of pictures of the dead. A lot. It's a historical fact.

It's just that today, a lot end up on the Internet.

That's all fine and dandy, but they are exchanging them for p0rn.. it's sickening. So much for "we aren't like them"

That's all fine and dandy, but they are exchanging them for p0rn.. it's sickening. So much for "we aren't like them"

Well, we don't have the benefits that the French Foreign Legion has - official military prostitutes. So they have to have some outlet, and some way to obtain it.

Or are you thinking that subsidizing the porn for the soldiers might stem this?

Well, we don't have the benefits that the French Foreign Legion has - official military prostitutes. So they have to have some outlet, and some way to obtain it.

Or are you thinking that subsidizing the porn for the soldiers might stem this?

I don't care who watches p0rn. I could care less.

I just think that knowingly giving these pics to a site where they KNOW they will be posted is a total disgrace, they should be more than ashamed of themselves, in fact it should be illegal,.I hope there is an investigation into all this and anyone caught should be charged. It is after all against the Geneva Convention.

Well, we don't have the benefits that the French Foreign Legion has - official military prostitutes. So they have to have some outlet, and some way to obtain it.[quote]

And posting pictures of the dead is an acceptable way to obtain this outlet? No, I'm sorry, there are lines and then there are lines. Trying to rationalize or justify this is just flat out wrong.

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Or are you thinking that subsidizing the porn for the soldiers might stem this?

How about restraint? Isn't that what the military is supposedly teaching people? Discipline and such. Besides, I didn't realize this website was holding the soldiers hand hostage. Any "needs" they may have can be met quite easily by a night on the town with Rosie Palm and her Five Sisters.

I don't care who watches p0rn. I could care less.

I just think that knowingly giving these pics to a site where they KNOW they will be posted is a total disgrace, they should be more than ashamed of themselves, in fact it should be illegal,.I hope there is an investigation into all this and anyone caught should be charged. It is after all against the Geneva Convention.

You're obviously not up on much. These pics have been all over the Internet since the First Gulf War.

Including those nasty photos your Canadian soldiers took in their homoerotic little party with the Somalis.

I can tick off at least five sites where these pics (and some gruesome videos) are available. For free. And the sites are not porn sites.

The pertinent images. (http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/09/us-soldiers-allegedly-trading-pictures.html) (Disturbingly graphic content. The pics on the page linked are censored, but links to uncensored pics are available. If you can't take this sort of thing, do not click the link!)

This further US disgrace has been known for about a week now. Took the mainstream media some time to pick it up.

You're obviously not up on much. These pics have been all over the Internet since the First Gulf War.

Including those nasty photos your Canadian soldiers took in their homoerotic little party with the Somalis.

I can tick off at least five sites where these pics (and some gruesome videos) are available. For free. And the sites are not porn sites.

And how does any of this make it right?

French Foreign legion has free prostitutes! Wow, you do learn something everyday.

As to this matter - absolutely sickening. Not the porn part, I don't care about that, but disgracing these dead men by posting their pictures on the internet... damn. These fallen men have a right to have their corpse respected.

I hope someone gets his ass handed to him in a tribunal for this one.

And how does any of this make it right?

Obviously, if Canadians do it, it's okay.

The pertinent images. (http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/09/us-soldiers-allegedly-trading-pictures.html) (Disturbingly graphic content. The pics on the page linked are censored, but links to uncensored pics are available. If you can't take this sort of thing, do not click the link!)

This further US disgrace has been known for about a week now. Took the mainstream media some time to pick it up.

Pics worse than these have been up on the Net for over a year (in some cases, more).

You're obviously not up on much. These pics have been all over the Internet since the First Gulf War.

Including those nasty photos your Canadian soldiers took in their homoerotic little party with the Somalis.

I can tick off at least five sites where these pics (and some gruesome videos) are available. For free. And the sites are not porn sites.

The Canadian troops who took those pics, their whole unit was disband. They don't exist anymore. The troops who they could prove took part were also brought up on charges. See in Canada we don't put up with this shit.

It doesn't negate the fact that it's against the Geneva Convention to do what they're doing.

Pics worse than these have been up on the Net for over a year (in some cases, more).

That's an excuse?

The Canadian troops who took those pics, their whole unit was disband. They don't exist anymore. The troops who they could prove took part were also brought up on charges. See in Canada we don't put up with this shit.

It doesn't negate the fact that it's against the Geneva Convention to do what they're doing.

It's not against the Convention to take pics of the dead. Sharing them privately with a small group on the Internet is not a violation.

Making them widely available might be, but you would have to prosecute positively EVERYONE. I'm not saying it makes it right, but there are literally thousands and thousands of photos like this - and not just from Americans.

Some of the photos I got from Iraq and Afghanistan are British. And Canadian.

I could also add that for some reason, it's OK to have a news reporter photograph dead bodies and post them on the Internet for money, but somehow you're outraged when a soldier does it.

Oh, got some good photos from Tavistock (one of the bombing sites) of the casualties there - from one of the emergency workers who took photos.

Didn't post them on the Internet, though. I showed more restraint than the press.

It's not against the Convention to take pics of the dead.

Why don't you go and read the Geneva Convention.. it is very much a breach of it.

Why don't you go and read the Geneva Convention.. it is very much a breach of it.
Hmm. Then our soldiers should arrest the journalists who are in their areas of control, and take their cameras away.

Can't have them taking pictures of the dead or dying and publishing them.

Oh, and absolutely no video cameras in the area of control under US troops.

I have no problem with them sharing their pictures of the dead. Hopefully it serves to make people sick to the stomach over war/violence. But any of them that think of their pictures as some sort of trophy for the kill should be shot themselves.

Besides, it's not like it is necessary for them to trade anything to get porn. THeres an endless supply of free porn on the interweb. This is why I think there is more of a chance that they are sharing their pictures as if they are proud of their kills or the kills of their buddies rahter than to get something in trade.

Obviously, if Canadians do it, it's okay.

Obviously it's not as the unit was disbanded and the guilty soldiers brought up on charges. So perhaps we could set aside the Maple Leaf Envy for a second?

Hmm. Then our soldiers should arrest the journalists who are in their areas of control, and take their cameras away.

Can't have them taking pictures of the dead or dying and publishing them.

Oh, and absolutely no video cameras in the area of control under US troops.

The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to journalist, it applies to soldiers. :rolleyes:

Hmm. Then our soldiers should arrest the journalists who are in their areas of control, and take their cameras away.

Can't have them taking pictures of the dead or dying and publishing them.

Oh, and absolutely no video cameras in the area of control under US troops.

Nice obfuscation. When you advocate immorality, it's always best to do it from behind a smoke screen. Take all the pictures you want. Trading them for access to porn, however, is beneath contempt.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4289518.stmThis was plastered over the Metro today (no, I don't read the Metro by choice, it was on top of the lockers in my school and I was bored). They shouldn't have printed them in the media - it's just adding fuel. But I think that it was the only way for the soldiers to obtain said pornography - apparently they used the pictures as 'credits' for people back at the Pentagon to allow them access to internet pornography sites.

Nice obfuscation. When you advocate immorality, it's always best to do it from behind a smoke screen. Take all the pictures you want. Trading them for access to porn, however, is beneath contempt.

Stephistan says "No Pictures!" "It's a violation!"

I have literally thousands of pictures from WW II to the present in my collection.

There isn't anything in the Convention about trading pics for porn. Just taking pictures and distributing them in a manner meant to degrade them.

Kinda like those videos you can watch on al-Jazeera. You know.

This was plastered over the Metro today (no, I don't read the Metro by choice, it was on top of the lockers in my school and I was bored). They shouldn't have printed them in the media - it's just adding fuel. But I think that it was the only way for the soldiers to obtain said pornography - apparently they used the pictures as 'credits' for people back at the Pentagon to allow them access to internet pornography sites. How about they don't disrespect the dead for pornography? How about pornography isn't *insert obscene progressive verb here* necessary?

How about they don't disrespect the dead for pornography? How about pornography isn't *insert obscene progressive verb here* necessary?

It's a 40 billion dollar industry in the US. And it's not a small industry in Europe, either.

It's a 40 billion dollar industry in the US. And it's not a small industry in Europe, either. So it can survive perfectly well without the help of certain soldiers with no respect for the dead, right?

http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm


caution do not look if you have a weak stomach.

Stephistan says "No Pictures!" "It's a violation!"

I have literally thousands of pictures from WW II to the present in my collection.

There isn't anything in the Convention about trading pics for porn. Just taking pictures and distributing them in a manner meant to degrade them.

Kinda like those videos you can watch on al-Jazeera. You know.

It is a violation while an active war is on-going.. Gee, I thought you use to be ex-military.. don't they teach you anything about what you're allowed and not allowed to do via the Geneva Conventions and the Hague Conventions on the rules of war?

About the Geneva Convention...

Protocol I of the international conventions says: "The remains of persons who have died for reasons related to occupation or in detention resulting from occupation or hostilities... shall be respected."
The US, however, is not party to this protocol, which was added to the conventions in 1977.

This is from the BBC article.

Doesn't make it right, however. Just wanted to point this out.

It is a violation while an active war is on-going.. Gee, I thought you use to be ex-military.. don't they teach you anything about what you're allowed and not allowed to do via the Geneva Conventions and the Hague Conventions on the rules of war?

You would have to prove that I intended to disrespect them.

However, if your assertion is correct, if I was a military commander with an area under my authority, I would arrest every journalist long enough to take their cameras (video and still). I would then review the photos, and court martial any journalist who had any pictures of dead, dying, wounded, or imprisoned personnel.

A summary field court martial.

Just to keep things fair, I would do this to soldiers as well. But, unless they had sent the pictures out of the camp, it would be hard to determine intent. I can only assume that journalists have every intent to publish the pictures as widely as possible.

Stephistan says "No Pictures!" "It's a violation!"

I have literally thousands of pictures from WW II to the present in my collection.

There isn't anything in the Convention about trading pics for porn. Just taking pictures and distributing them in a manner meant to degrade them.

I don't give a good god-damn WHAT Stephistan said. The point remains to exchange picture of the dead for porn represents a level of immoral transaction that I have long prayed our society wasn't capable of but feared it was. To argue anything but that is to not only flaut common sense, but to abandon what little moral highground might possibly remain to us and sink into the filth and depravity that we are supposedly securing the Middle East against.

You would have to prove that I intended to disrespect them.

You're the dude who lets anyone have a try at his wife too right? So I guess I shouldn't be surprised by your responses. Anyway.. I'm done. I've said what I had to say, it's sick, end of story.

You're the dude who lets anyone have a try at his wife too right? So I guess I shouldn't be surprised by your responses. Anyway.. I'm done. I've said what I had to say, it's sick, end of story.

Actually, I'm a big believer in maximum personal freedom. And as far as I'm personally concerned, the dead have no rights.

I didn't see you jumping up and down about the Blackwater guys who were chopped up, burned, and had their bits hung from a bridge.

Where was your outrage?

When they killed Margaret Hassan? Where was your outrage.

It's war - get used to it.

This is from the BBC article.

Doesn't make it right, however. Just wanted to point this out.

They know they can't live up to the standard, I suppose.

Actually, I'm a big believer in maximum personal freedom. And as far as I'm personally concerned, the dead have no rights.

You wouldn't mind me exchanging this one for porn then, would you?

http://www.robertobaca.com/rip.jpg

You're the dude who lets anyone have a try at his wife too right? Er… what?

You wouldn't mind me exchanging this one for porn then, would you?

http://www.robertobaca.com/rip.jpg


I suspect that since he is for personal freedom he would be okay with it actually. But I also bet ya that he believes in his personal freedom to pop a cap in the ass of anyone who does trade pics liek that for porn.

You wouldn't mind me exchanging this one for porn then, would you?

http://www.robertobaca.com/rip.jpg

Nope. Not at all.

Actually, I'm a big believer in maximum personal freedom. And as far as I'm personally concerned, the dead have no rights.

I didn't see you jumping up and down about the Blackwater guys who were chopped up, burned, and had their bits hung from a bridge.

Where was your outrage?

When they killed Margaret Hassan? Where was your outrage.

It's war - get used to it.

It was there. What was lacking was a sense of moral equivalency and a stultification of standards. Prior outrages don't excuse current ones. And to say, "It's war, get used to it," is simply a sleazy cop out. It's wrong and if that fact is not understood then there truly is very little to separate us from those we fight against.

Besides, I am assured over and over that the "war" is over and not only did we win, we're now just mopping up and making way for a freedom parade.

Er… what?


He and his wife are swingers.

I personally don't see anything wrong with that though and feel it has no bearing on this issue. I too have participated in threesomes but do not feel that it is alright for the soldiers to trade their trophy pictures of theirs and their buddies kills for bragging rights (which I suspect is truely the case since I don't think there is a need to trade the pics for porn since there is endless amounts of free porn to be had).

Er… what?

Hey, I couldn't make this stuff up.. ;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9703150&postcount=171

I suspect that since he is for personal freedom he would be okay with it actually. But I also bet ya that he believes in his personal freedom to pop a cap in the ass of anyone who does trade pics liek that for porn.

Nope. No sense in getting up about the dead. They have seen the end of war.

NOW DON'T CLICK ON THE FOLLOWING LINK IF YOU'RE OFFENDED BY PICS OF THE DEAD

<unbelievably gross>

This picture was from Afghanistan, a couple of years ago. Pics like this are ALL OVER militaryphotos.net

It was there. What was lacking was a sense of moral equivalency and a stultification of standards. Prior outrages don't excuse current ones. And to say, "It's war, get used to it," is simply a sleazy cop out. It's wrong and if that fact is not understood then there truly is very little to separate us from those we fight against.

Besides, I am assured over and over that the "war" is over and not only did we win, we're now just mopping up and making way for a freedom parade.

One can hardly believe the "war" is over.

The war against militant Islam is going to last longer than the Cold War. Our great-great-great grandchildren will be fighting it.

Oh, if anyone's interested, I have videos from Canadian snipers shooting Taliban in the head at long, long range.

Pics worse than these have been up on the Net for over a year (in some cases, more).
But the free ones were not TRADED for Good or services

There is a whole world of difference between documenting and discussing something and profiting from it

Nope. No sense in getting up about the dead. They have seen the end of war.

NOW DON'T CLICK ON THE FOLLOWING LINK IF YOU'RE OFFENDED BY PICS OF THE DEAD

<snip> ewwwwwww <snip>

This picture was from Afghanistan, a couple of years ago. Pics like this are ALL OVER militaryphotos.net
For the sake of your account here, I suggest you remove that pic

But the free ones were not TRADED for Good or services

There is a whole world of difference between documenting and discussing something and profiting from it

Thank you! Exactly. I am too outraged by this to verbalize coherently and junk.

Nope. Not at all.
Good. You're coherent.

I actually believe that photos taken by soldiers during war time are one of the most valuable documents for posterity, since they are in far more places than journalists can be. I think that the scandal this time is over exchanging them for porn, which does seem a bit crass (especially when you consider how much porn there is for free on the internet).

On the other hand, that means that the photos are out there, accessible to the public.

The Geneva Convention's Protocols are intended to stop war from becoming a public spectacle used as a propaganda tool by governments. That's why only governments and the military are subject to them, not civilians including journalists.

But the free ones were not TRADED for Good or services

There is a whole world of difference between documenting and discussing something and profiting from it

Not according to Steph. Just taking the picture, according to Steph, is a crime.

Good. You're coherent.

I actually believe that photos taken by soldiers during war time are one of the most valuable documents for posterity, since they are in far more places than journalists can be. I think that the scandal this time is over exchanging them for porn, which does seem a bit crass (especially when you consider how much porn there is for free on the internet).

On the other hand, that means that the photos are out there, accessible to the public.

The Geneva Convention's Protocols are intended to stop war from becoming a public spectacle used as a propaganda tool by governments. That's why only governments and the military are subject to them, not civilians including journalists.


Yes, I am quite coherent. I am a private collector of militaria, including soldier's journals, photos, and letters. My collection is quite substantial.

Exchanging them for porn is crass. But I find Steph's outrage to be overblown when it comes to the mere idea of soldiers photographing the dead.

Not according to Steph. Just taking the picture, according to Steph, is a crime.

It's not according to me, as Iztatepopotla stated very nicely and accurately:

The Geneva Convention's Protocols are intended to stop war from becoming a public spectacle used as a propaganda tool by governments. That's why only governments and the military are subject to them, not civilians including journalists.

Not according to Steph. Just taking the picture, according to Steph, is a crime.
Well me and steph are of differing opinions here ... I am all for freedom of speech but I can find certian applications un-apatising without wishing them to be illegal

Edit she has a point with the geneva convention
Same reason I am normaly for free speach but against kiddie porn or yelling fire in a crowded building

Nope. No sense in getting up about the dead. They have seen the end of war.

NOW DON'T CLICK ON THE FOLLOWING LINK IF YOU'RE OFFENDED BY PICS OF THE DEAD

<unbelievably gross>

This picture was from Afghanistan, a couple of years ago. Pics like this are ALL OVER militaryphotos.net


There isn't? Then why give a crap about the Blackwater guys? They're dead, big deal, all it really signals is that they saw the end of war and nothing more.

That pic you posted is sad. All that guy was doing was trying to get in his car (see the key lying on his chest?) and go to work in the poppy fields so he could feed his family and pay off the taliban with protection money.
I don't see what purpose posting pics of your kills serves other than to brag to fellow soldiers and relive that adrenaline rush that you got by killing some arabs.

It's not according to me, as Iztatepopotla stated very nicely and accurately:

Then if I take pictures, and distribute them amongst friends, and they don't reach the public, it's not a public spectacle.

Trading them for porn, however, is not your issue Steph. You're upset that the photos are public, and that soldiers took them.

I suggest you go to militaryphotos.net, and see how many photos you can count.

When you get past the 10,000 mark, let me know.

Then if I take pictures, and distribute them amongst friends, and they don't reach the public, it's not a public spectacle.

Trading them for porn, however, is not your issue Steph. You're upset that the photos are public, and that soldiers took them.

I suggest you go to militaryphotos.net, and see how many photos you can count.

When you get past the 10,000 mark, let me know.

Thanks, but I'll take a pass on that.

There isn't? Then why give a crap about the Blackwater guys? They're dead, big deal, all it really signals is that they saw the end of war and nothing more.

That pic you posted is sad. All that guy was doing was trying to get in his car (see the key lying on his chest?) and go to work in the poppy fields so he could feed his family and pay off the taliban with protection money.
I don't see what purpose posting pics of your kills serves other than to brag to fellow soldiers and relive that adrenaline rush that you got by killing some arabs.


I know the person who shot him.

There are two other photos that go with this one - one showing his AKM and his bandolier of rifle magazines, and another showing the same from another angle.

The Afghan in question was shooting at where he thought the Americans were when the sniper in question shot him in the face from roughly 300 meters.

Then if I take pictures, and distribute them amongst friends, and they don't reach the public, it's not a public spectacle.

Trading them for porn, however, is not your issue Steph. You're upset that the photos are public, and that soldiers took them.
Then what IS reaching the public? Surely it is distributing them to friends and then them distributing them etc. etc.


To me it's very disrespectful for the dead and their families.

I think it is up to the troops as to what they do with their cameras. They can take pics of anything they want. But posting them is just plain wrong. If they like them, so be it, but they shouldn't be placed on the internet, just as you wouldn't post them on your school noticeboard. It is disrespectful. OK, so they are dead, and couldn't care less at the moment, but showing a dismembered arm on a hook just isn't right. They can :sniper: all they like, but don't broadcast them. Suff like that just makes me want to :headbang: because of our troops.

Well, that's that off my chest.

Oh, and we should let Iraq sort out their own problems, not just barge in, kill people to look like saviours, then grab the oil and run, but at least we are making an effort to make some sort of amends.

Then what IS reaching the public? Surely it is distributing them to friends and then them distributing them etc. etc.

To me it's very disrespectful for the dead and their families.

Public, to me, is when it reaches a high rate website, or is on the national news.

I am a member of a website that has less than 50 members, and we trade military pics and do not redistribute them.

However, militaryphotos.net is far, far more popular. And it has literally tens of thousands of pictures.

However, militaryphotos.net is far, far more popular. And it has literally tens of thousands of pictures.
well then it is illegal, wouldn't you say?

well then it is illegal, wouldn't you say?

It's been going on FOR YEARS and no one said anything.

It's been going on FOR YEARS and no one said anything.
And that makes it less illegal......how?

And that makes it less illegal......how?

Just because a law is on the books doesn't mean a prosecutor or investigator will take it up.

And it looks like no one is taking it up. Next!

Just because a law is on the books doesn't mean a prosecutor or investigator will take it up.

And it looks like no one is taking it up. Next!
:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Technically, sodomy is illegal in Virginia.

But prosecutors are loathe to take it up anymore. Mostly out of fear that the law will be stricken from the books.

So they don't prosecute.

Just ask any District Attorney - do you prosecute each and every case that comes up, or do you bat the ones that will make political hay, or are easier to win? Do you try the case, or do you do a lot of plea bargains to up your count?

Life isn't like CSI or LA Law.

Technically, sodomy is illegal in Virginia.

But prosecutors are loathe to take it up anymore. Mostly out of fear that the law will be stricken from the books.

So they don't prosecute.

Just ask any District Attorney - do you prosecute each and every case that comes up, or do you bat the ones that will make political hay, or are easier to win? Do you try the case, or do you do a lot of plea bargains to up your count?

Life isn't like CSI or LA Law.
There's a little difference in some ancient Christian law and the Geneva Convention

What amuses me is people who object to trading them for porn. Or better yet, trading them for profit. It seems you don't mind the war, don't mind the soldiers killing people, don't mind people killing our soldiers, don't mind the fact that there exists photos of the dead, don't mind the fact that we have soldiers smiling at the dead in these photos... no, what's worse than all that to you is that someone is making profit!! Teh horror! Evil capitalism, someone benefiting personally! A SOLDIER receiving PORN! oh my GOD! Let's just wet our pants at how evil this is... profit! And PORN! :rolleyes:

What amuses me is people who object to trading them for porn. Or better yet, trading them for profit. It seems you don't mind the war, don't mind the soldiers killing people, don't mind people killing our soldiers, don't mind the fact that there exists photos of the dead, don't mind the fact that we have soldiers smiling at the dead in these photos... no, what's worse than all that to you is that someone is making profit!! Teh horror! Evil capitalism, someone benefiting personally! A SOLDIER receiving PORN! oh my GOD! Let's just wet our pants at how evil this is... profit! And PORN! :rolleyes:


Some people are upset at the idea that our men are getting off. Maybe they don't get off enough themselves. Or have never been forcibly deprived for a year or more.

Army: No Felony in Release of Corpse Pics

WASHINGTON - The Army said Wednesday its investigators could not confirm that grisly photographs of purported Iraqi war dead on an Internet site were posted by U.S. soldiers, a case that has stirred concern at the Pentagon.

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Paul Boyce, an Army spokesman, said the Army's Criminal Investigation Division in recent days concluded from a preliminary inquiry that there was insufficient evidence to pursue felony charges against anyone....

Boyce and other officials said that while no criminal investigation would be pursued based on currently available evidence, disciplinary action may be taken against individual soldiers if it can be verified that they used government computers to transmit digital photos of Iraqi war dead. Such an act could be deemed a violation of Article 134 of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice, which proscribes behavior that undermines good order and discipline or brings discredit to the military.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050928/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/corpse_photos

Some people are upset at the idea that our men are getting off. Maybe they don't get off enough themselves. Or have never been forcibly deprived for a year or more. How about we think that the dead should be remembered with respect for their sacrifice and not have their dignity crudely bartered. Why do you think we bury people rather than toss them to the ravens?

Oh..cmon. Its easy to say that this is wrong from your comfy chair at home. But what about in a small and dirty foxhole. These guys have to suffer from daily mortar/rpg strikes and "presence patrols" through hostile areas. The stress from this and other things like snipers, IEDs, and an endless war is just unimaginable. It can literally drive you insane.
Masturbating is one of the very few escapes from this harsh reality, so just give them a break. I know that its somewhat dishonorable, but there really is no honor in war.

Oh..cmon. Its easy to say that this is wrong from your comfy chair at home. But what about in a small and dirty foxhole. These guys have to suffer from daily mortar/rpg strikes and "presence patrols" through hostile areas. The stress from this and other things like snipers, IEDs, and an endless war is just unimaginable. It can literally drive you insane.
Masturbating is one of the very few escapes from this harsh reality, so just give them a break. I know that its somewhat dishonorable, but there really is no honor in war.


noone cares if they spank their monkies. if it's true that they are trading pics of their kills for porn, I have to wonder why they can't get it for free instead since there are massive amounts available.

noone cares if they spank their monkies. if it's true that they are trading pics of their kills for porn, I have to wonder why they can't get it for free instead since there are massive amounts available.

Maybe the Army blocks porn sites. So they would have to send it via e-mail/forums. It would make sense.

Oh..cmon. Its easy to say that this is wrong from your comfy chair at home. But what about in a small and dirty foxhole. These guys have to suffer from daily mortar/rpg strikes and "presence patrols" through hostile areas. The stress from this and other things like snipers, IEDs, and an endless war is just unimaginable. It can literally drive you insane.
Masturbating is one of the very few escapes from this harsh reality, so just give them a break. I know that its somewhat dishonorable, but there really is no honor in war. Yes there is. War crimes, anybody? Also, porn is not necessary at all. They want to wank, fine by me. They disrespect the dead, not fine at all.

Maybe the Army blocks porn sites. So they would have to send it via e-mail/forums. It would make sense.


ah yes perhaps they do! But why would they do that? Are soldiers not allowed to touch themselves?

ah yes perhaps they do! But why would they do that? Are soldiers not allowed to touch themselves? The army encouraged strict discipline.

that is so fu***ng sick! :mad: :mad:

Yes there is. War crimes, anybody? Also, porn is not necessary at all. They want to wank, fine by me. They disrespect the dead, not fine at all.

Of course its not necessary, but it does help a lot. And who are you to judge what these men can and can not do. How would you like it if you served your country for two years and was then told by some spoiled American that what you did was wrong. Of course when a civilian does something wrong, no one even gives a shit. But when a soldier does it, it all of sudden becomes a big issue.

For me it's not even the trading for porn bit that's the worst of it; the utter contempt, disrespect, disregard for the value of human life shown by these people who wish to trade and share their trophies. The article below goes into further detail of what is actually contained in such sites so I won't repeat it except to highlight some of the remarks made the posters:

The person who posted a picture of a corpse lying in a pool of his own brains and entrails wrote, "What every Iraqi should look like."
One of the pictures on Wilson's site depicts a woman whose right leg has been torn off by a land mine, and a medical worker is holding the mangled stump up to the camera. The woman's vagina is visible under the hem of her skirt. The caption for this picture reads: "Nice puss -- bad foot."

These people aren't even morons, they're the fucking scum of the Earth.

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2005-09-28/news/cityofwarts.html

The army encouraged strict discipline.

The army does encourage discipline, but that doesn't mean that these soldiers are Killing Machines 24/7. They gotta have fun every now and then, just like everyone else.

For me it's not even the trading for porn bit that's the worst of it; the utter contempt, disrespect, disregard for the value of human life shown by these people who wish to trade and share their trophies. The article below goes into further detail of what is actually contained in such sites so I won't repeat it except to highlight some of the remarks made the posters:These people aren't even morons, they're the fucking scum of the Earth. Agreed. It's the lack of respect - no, the anti-respect shown to the dead that appalls me.

For me it's not even the trading for porn bit that's the worst of it; the utter contempt, disrespect, disregard for the value of human life shown by these people who wish to trade and share their trophies. The article below goes into further detail of what is actually contained in such sites so I won't repeat it except to highlight some of the remarks made the posters:




These people aren't even morons, they're the fucking scum of the Earth.

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2005-09-28/news/cityofwarts.html


You are acting like these are normal human beings. The harsh truth is that some of them are not. Some soldiers see death so much that it becomes normal to them. They are no longer affected when they a see mutilated body on the sidewalk. Soon they start to make jokes about it to lighten the mood. What you see here is a clear example of this. Is it wrong? From our perspective, Yes. But what about from their perspective? That is what counts here. Once you see war, you come back a changed person. Things like values, honor, life, and humanity are basically thrown out the window after you go to war for a certain amount of time. Some of these troops are on there third tour of duty, so I can see where this is coming from. Of course the ignorant masses will never look underneath the surface and they will always see the world in a black and white perspective.

that is so fu***ng sick! :mad: :mad:yup

The soldiers should be ashamed.