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Well...how to say this...there is now a new media campaign in Germany to get people to be patriotic.

I'm confused: Why?

What do you think of it?

www.du-bist-deutschland.de

It's in German, but I think you can get the gist of it anyways.

I like the design! :)

Hmm...how to put it nicely...gequirlte Kacke?

But the design is really good...cost perhaps loads of tax-euros :headbang:

Meh...I tend to be suspicious of patriotism campaigns; my experience as an American has really made me paranoid of such things.

At least this campaign doesn't seem to advocate invading half the world, but I still have my suspicions. (I do know some German, enough to understand about half of what's on the site.)

Well...how to say this...there is now a new media campaign in Germany to get people to be patriotic.

I'm confused: Why?

What do you think of it?

www.du-bist-deutschland.de

It's in German, but I think you can get the gist of it anyways.I loved the commercial (it almost made me cry... well, at least the long original one...). :D

Need a towel :D

Need a towel :DEureka! (What's it mean? I don't know... I need a towel?) :D

I don't see the point either - Germany's attitude is great the way it is. Why would it want to have an overly nationalistic attitude like the French, US or Austrians?

I see no real use in that campaign. Well made technically, but what exactly does it try to communicate?
Oder auch: Wat soll dat?

I don't see the point either - Germany's attitude is great the way it is. Why would it want to have an overly nationalistic attitude like the French, US or Austrians?It's not really nationalistic. It's more of a "get off your ass and do something" in a nice way...

I don´t like standing in a river of tears...so if this makes you cry I would hand you a towel :p

I don´t like standing in a river of tears...so if this makes you cry I would hand you a towel :pI've only been real emo again since I've stopped taking my medication. I'll be fine :D

Dude.. the Forrest Gump theme music..??

I mean, maybe a German wrote it or something, but even if that were true, it's pretty well-associated with the movie now..

It's not really nationalistic. It's more of a "get off your ass and do something" in a nice way...

Ah, it is more of an advert for voluntary service? That's different and a good thing.

Ah, it is more of an advert for voluntary service? That's different and a good thing.It doesn't specifically tell you to do anything, actually...

For the past years almost everybody has been complaining how bad the situation in Germany is, that we'll all go down the drain and we won't live to see the next year.
Which I found stupid all along because Germany has less then 40% of unemployment rate, not half the population has HIV and hardly anybody starves to death.

Anyway the attitude is quite common and now some idiots want to raise spirits by a stupid media campaign.

Personally it reminds me of Life of Brian:
"I'm Germany!"
"No! I'm Germany!"
"No, I' Germany, and my wife too!"
:D

I wonder if the NPD and DVU will use the campaign in Kaliningrad, Gdansk, Szczecin or Wrocław... :eek:

I've only been real emo again since I've stopped taking my medication. I'll be fine :D

Shall I come over and give you an injection? :D

Shall I come over and give you an injection? :DI've still got enough pills left over ;)

I've still got enough pills left over ;)

Too bad, I really like working with needles...especially when at the blunt end :D

I wonder if the NPD and DVU will use the campaign in Kaliningrad, Gdansk, Szczecin or Wrocław... :eek:Ugh... they better not. It would prove the germanophobe potential Polish PM right...
(And it's not like there are enough native Germans in Poland and Russia to be inspired by that... :p )

Oh fantastic just what Europe needs again, a nationalistic Germany. Mmm... I wonder how this one is going to turn out?

Oh fantastic just what Europe needs again, a nationalistic Germany. Mmm... I wonder how this one is going to turn out?This commercial is no where near nationalistic. I can remember when everyone was so afraid of Germany during the reuinification and they turned out to be wrong.

Who is behind it, actually? Federal government or some gathering of NGOs?

Who is behind it, actually? Federal government or some gathering of NGOs?Group effort. There were zounds of celebrities and politicians in the commercial.

Oh fantastic just what Europe needs again, a nationalistic Germany. Mmm... I wonder how this one is going to turn out?
While I'm not particularly enchanted with it, I think it's worth pointing out that this would be patriotic to a new Germany - multi-racial, federal, democratic and whatnot. You could just as well be alarmed of the one they had in Switzerland a couple of years ago (who remembers DJ Bobo dressed in red-background/white-cross shirt? sadly, I do).

Group effort. There were zounds of celebrities and politicians in the commercial.
So, just citizens who have nothing better to do with their money?

So, just citizens who have nothing better to do with their money?No clue. The commercial itself is for the initiative "Du bist Deutschland" and it addresses all sorts of things with small comments. I haven't bothered delving any deeper into the website...

Oh fantastic just what Europe needs again, a nationalistic Germany. Mmm... I wonder how this one is going to turn out?

ooh shall i go and get the Anderson Shelter dug in the garden just in case,
sorry just had to say that

wel it seems better then what Britian would do right now it would be full of Blair Smiling and other Labour Okes plus smattering off people that they though wouldnt offend anyone that would put pride in any one

wow, this thread's title's misleading!

du bist deutschalnd is NOT a patriotism campiagn! it's a campaign sponsored/thought up by the leaders of some of the biggest businesses in germany, and it's something of an "look what kind of human potential we have in germany. everyone of us is a great human resource with special abilities! let's make use of them!" campaign.
it is just suposed to motivate folks to contribute their best to society bacuse the initiators of this website wfeel that there is to much un-used potential.

jeez, lot's not turn this into a "oh hell wait germany's going to pull the patriotism stunt again and wants to start WWIII - dive for cover" thread, please..

Well...how to say this...there is now a new media campaign in Germany to get people to be patriotic.

I'm confused: Why?

What do you think of it?

www.du-bist-deutschland.de

It's in German, but I think you can get the gist of it anyways.

looks like I better dump any French stock I may have . :D


Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
über alles in der Welt,
wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
brüderlich zusammenhält!
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
von der Etsch bis an den Belt:
|: Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
über alles in der Welt! :|
Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang
sollen in der Welt behalten
ihren alten schönen Klang,
uns zu edler Tat begeistern
unser ganzes Leben lang:
|: Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang! :|.............

:fluffle:

Oh fantastic just what Europe needs again, a nationalistic Germany. Mmm... I wonder how this one is going to turn out?
Ask the Yanks and they'll be happy to point out the difference between "Patriotism" and "Nationalism" to you.
And besides, as you can see with all the Germans here - it's hardly going to turn us feral again... :D

looks like I better dump any French stock I may have . :D...German Anthem... :fluffle:
You know very well that we don't sing that part anymore.
As far as "Germany above all" is concerned - that's not Germany over France or Russia, it's Germany over Lower Saxony. It was meant as a uniting hymn to get all the little local leaders to agree to something, to put their differences aside and put a united Germany "above all".
Get it?

And here is our "nice" national anthem - the third stanza which is now the first.
Unity and justice and freedom
for the German fatherland;
This let us all pursue,
brotherly with heart and hand.
Unity and justice and freedom
are the pledge of happiness.
|: Flourish in this blessing's glory,
flourish, German fatherland. :|

Ask the Yanks and they'll be happy to point out the difference between "Patriotism" and "Nationalism" to you.
And besides, as you can see with all the Germans here - it's hardly going to turn us feral again... :D


You know very well that we don't sing that part anymore.
As far as "Germany above all" is concerned - that's not Germany over France or Russia, it's Germany over Lower Saxony. It was meant as a uniting hymn to get all the little local leaders to agree to something, to put their differences aside and put a united Germany "above all".
Get it?

And here is our "nice" national anthem - the third stanza which is now the first.
Unity and justice and freedom
for the German fatherland;
This let us all pursue,
brotherly with heart and hand.
Unity and justice and freedom
are the pledge of happiness.
|: Flourish in this blessing's glory,
flourish, German fatherland. :|

Speak for yourself MY German Parent ( father) and his parents and other relatives sing the whole anthem because they did not take part in ww2 on the German side and do not feel guilty about singing the song the way it was meant to be sung. It does not mean that Germany must be dominant over all and rule the world . thats bullshit. its a nationalistic song and shows your pride in your country and its heritage. I didnt even put the third stanza in on purpose . Also the flufle things were an attempt a levity because I KNOW people tend to run for the hills when they hear that song . In France its like a reflex they are born with .. :D

Speak for yourself MY German Parent ( father) and his parents and other relatives sing the whole anthem because they did not take part in ww2 on the German side and do not feel guilty about singing the song the way it was meant to be sung.
Are they German citizens?
Well, no matter. I'd sing the originial anthem too, if it wasn't for my lack of vioce, and the fact that I don't even remember the "official" lyrics without looking them up.

The one thing with what people could be offended today though is this:

Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
von der Etsch bis an den Belt

That was okay in 1870, but not today - they'd have to update that.

Are they German citizens?
Well, no matter. I'd sing the originial anthem too, if it wasn't for my lack of vioce, and the fact that I don't even remember the "official" lyrics without looking them up.

The one thing with what people could be offended today though is this:

Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
von der Etsch bis an den Belt

That was okay in 1870, but not today - they'd have to update that.

No more East Prussia , ( Grandmothers last name Von Hillsinger ) and alot of other changes. thats what happens when you include geography and think it will last forever . my Father was actually born here but my grandmother and grandfather never became citizens before they died and their familys either were killed by Hitler and his party ( opposition was frowned on even if it wasnt communist ) or tracked down when they left Germany and killed in the country they ran to when Hitlers goons occupied it and rounded up all the " disloyal " Germans who had the balls to leave his paradise . My few aunts and uncles .. (Great Aunts and Uncles actually ) that made it here or Switzerland or Argentina may have become citizens , I never asked .

My family didn't have that great problems then (apart from being bombed of course), other than that my great grandfather apparently swiped a few things (ie food) in the last few days of the war, and the Gestapo searched their house. They'd all have been shot if they had found anything, but they didn't...
On my mother's side, the grandfather got wounded in Stalingrad, the grandmother fled from Allenstein, Eastern Prussia. And my family's chocolate factory in today's Czech Republic was destroyed... :(

Nonetheless, a little bit of pride in one's ancestors can only be a good thing - if people use it to be motivated. And this "You are Germany"-Campaign is very much geared toward that kind of thing. It won't work, anything nice being said about Germany (outside the football) is automatically being rejected these days...and that leaves Germany in a constant depressive mood.
Sad really, that we still can't seem to put all this crap behind us, 60 years later.

They destroyed a chocolate factory?
:headbang: :sniper: :headbang: :sniper: MONSTERS!

Oh God. Well Patriotism + Germany usually ends up... poorly.

I'm taking bets on whether this ends with the Sack of Rome, or a World War. ;)

Oh God. Well Patriotism + Germany usually ends up... poorly.

I'm taking bets on whether this ends with the Sack of Rome, or a World War. ;)


You're being unfair.

One doesn't need Germany to have a World War, patriotism alone can be enough.

You're being unfair.

One doesn't need Germany to have a World War, patriotism alone can be enough.

I wasn't being serious either. It just seemed like the appropriate comment to make. :p

I like the design! :)

I didn't.
I understand that the logo is (probably) supposed to look like a person, but it actually looks like a 3-tier, tricolour pile o' s**t, the sort that you see in some cartoons.

If you're going to do a stickfigure person, it looks better if the limbs are definitely limbs, and with them hanging down, perhaps, rather than the blobby shape that it is.

And also, I agree with the comment about When people start "calling for patriotism". It gets me suspicious also.
Patriotism itself isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it should be something that one feels for themselves, rather than being told to.
If someone actually calls for it, It makes me wonder what the person who designed the ad's thinking at the time i.e. what are their motivations?

looks like I better dump any French stock I may have . :D



Being aware that you can get arrested in germany for this kind of stuff...legally it´s akin to swastikas and other Third Reich paraphernalia

Well...how to say this...there is now a new media campaign in Germany to get people to be patriotic.

I'm confused: Why?

What do you think of it?

www.du-bist-deutschland.de

It's in German, but I think you can get the gist of it anyways.

Pretty colors! I wanna go to Germany! :D :D :D :D

well, and i want to leave it..so..any chance you live somehwre pretty so we can just swap? :D

Speak for yourself MY German Parent ( father) and his parents and other relatives sing the whole anthem because they did not take part in ww2 on the German side and do not feel guilty about singing the song the way it was meant to be sung. It does not mean that Germany must be dominant over all and rule the world . thats bullshit. its a nationalistic song and shows your pride in your country and its heritage. I didnt even put the third stanza in on purpose . Also the flufle things were an attempt a levity because I KNOW people tend to run for the hills when they hear that song . In France its like a reflex they are born with .. :DThe third verse was inofficially adopted by the Adenauer government shortly after the founding of the federal republic. The idea was that the first two verses gained a bad connotation through the holocaust and WWII and it would only be polite to the victims of racial hate not to sing "Germany over everything". Legally, you're not prohibited from singing it (in Germany), but you'll get a lot of evil looks if you do.

Patriotism itself isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it should be something that one feels for themselves, rather than being told to.
Problem is that Germans have a very peculiar relationship with their country and their history.
If anything, a campaign like this could only tell people that it would be okay if they were to be proud of the achievements of past Germans. If it worked, that is.

Being aware that you can get arrested in germany for this kind of stuff...legally it´s akin to swastikas and other Third Reich paraphernalia


French stock ?

The third verse was inofficially adopted by the Adenauer government shortly after the founding of the federal republic
let me be a smart-ass here and say that adenauer and heuss agreed that it should become our national anthem, but it was only in 1991 that it actually did.

Being aware that you can get arrested in germany for this kind of stuff...legally it´s akin to swastikas and other Third Reich paraphernalia
i agree with laerod on this one..i don't think i is forbidden to sing/reproduce the first to verses, it's just..inappropriate.

well, and i want to leave it..so..any chance you live somehwre pretty so we can just swap? :D

lol. I guess if you consider New Jersey to be pretty. Well, on the plus side you have easy access to NYC and the beach. ;)

eerm..no, thank you, i think i'll step dwn from the offer. no offense, please, but i really wanted to settle somewhere in the scandinavian area in the near future and new jersey..wouldn't help. :)