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I'm a bad bad Catholic, but if called upon by the Pope I would fight for the Mother Church. I can't really explain why, I disagree with Church Doctrine, frequently argue with Preists and haven't been to Reconiliation (Confession) in a month.

Yor thoughts people. There's a poll of some varasity comming soon.

...Thus has killed more people over the history of human kind.

I'm a bad bad Catholic, but if called upon by the Pope I would fight for the Mother Church. I can't really explain why, I disagree with Church Doctrine, frequently argue with Preists and haven't been to Reconiliation (Confession) in a month.
Um, okay. That is strange and it's one of the reasons I dislike the Catholic church.
Yor thoughts people. There's a poll of some varasity comming soon.
I guess if I had to choose a denomination, it would be Southern Baptist, but only because the preacher at the local SB church is atypical among evangelicals (no politics w00t). I attend the church somewhat weekly, but I wouldn’t fight for it, specifically. I’d fight -or a least protest- the oppression of any peaceful religion.

...Thus has killed more people over the history of human kind.

Yep.

No, I would not

I cant imagine any situation in which it would be justifiable to fight for religion, so I listed no.

To fight for my religion would be to slay it. My religion does not require anyone to fight for it, nor does it permit of same.

I answered yes, since I'd fight over damn near anything, religious or not. :)

However, I wouldn't do jack on the Pope's orders. As an Eastern Catholic, I don't believe that the Pope is in any way divine, let alone infallible. If the leaders of my Church held a Synod and declared war, I'd comply.. but that has never happened before, and I know it wouldn't ever happen today, or any day, ever. ;)

So I'm assuming that if it did happen, there'd be good reason.

I would fight for Allah's cause if Allah asked me to.

Otherwise ... meh.

Oh fuck it, maybe it's time I caved and stop being a Catholic who doesn't believe in God and finally made the tiptoe accross the line to all out atheism?

I would fight for Allah's cause if Allah asked me to.

Otherwise ... meh.
Allyah personally? Or would like say... Gabriel do?

Oh fuck it, maybe it's time I caved and stop being a Catholic who doesn't believe in God and finally made the tiptoe accross the line to all out atheism?

Do it! You know you want to. :p

Oh fuck it, maybe it's time I caved and stop being a Catholic who doesn't believe in God and finally made the tiptoe accross the line to all out atheism?

What brought that on? And why fight on the Pope's orders if you don't believe in God to begin with? :confused:

Allyah personally? Or would like say... Gabriel do?

I'd accept an Angel, yes. Allah has always used an Angel to deliver messages.

Allyah personally? Or would like say... Gabriel do?
I don't know about Keruvalia, but I'd like something in writing and a certified copy.

Well, I'm an atheist.

Would I fight for atheism? Possibly, yes.
If a religion was to claim the planet for itself, and start forcing people to conform, then I might fight against that, in the name of rational thinking and atheism.

I don't know about Keruvalia, but I'd like something in writing and a certified copy.

Something in writing, filed in triplicate, would be nice as well.

What brought that on? And why fight on the Pope's orders if you don't believe in God to begin with? :confused:
Hypocrisy is my best trait

Something in writing, filed in triplicate, would be nice as well.
For me it's God or bust. If he's to lazy to convert himself from his infinate state into a tanjable being so pass on a message, well I'll just take my worship elsewhere. I've been hearing good things about Wicca...

KILL THE FUCKING EARTH PINKS. :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

Well, I'm an atheist.

Would I fight for atheism? Possibly, yes.
If a religion was to claim the planet for itself, and start forcing people to conform, then I might fight against that, in the name of rational thinking and atheism.
I would take religious oppression to make you fight? For shame...

I'm agnostic. But I'm a militant agnostic. I'll kill you... but I'm not completely sure why.

KILL THE FUCKING EARTH PINKS.

What does that even mean?

I would take religious oppression to make you fight? For shame...
:confused:
It would have to be a rather late stage though, as in they march into my city and declare their overlordship over it.
And BTW, no I don't think this whole War on Terror business qualifies. :p

I'd fight against a theocracy, were one to be imposed on my nation (more so than it is now) that prohibited me, and others, from practicing our religion, but I wouldn't fight for my religion, not in the "I'm going on a crusade! Kill the un-believers" type way, at least. See, I'm a Unitarian Universalist, and generally, we just don't do that kind of thing.

I'm a Mormon, and I'd defend by the sword and die for my beliefs if it came to that point, as it did some one hundred and seventy odd years ago. I don't see us running a Crusade-ish operation, though.

If a religion was to claim the planet for itself, and start forcing people to conform

Yeah, that's always been something on the order of my fear. Some huge world religion formed when all the major ones join together to for some great generic religion that tries to smash out by force the ones that do not surrender. And against something like that, I would take up arms with the athiests ;)

I would definately fight for my Religion. I am a Protestant Christian. Jesus Rules! Martin Luther Rules! By the way i'm still sore over the Thirty Years War and the Counter-Reformation.

Yeah, I would fight for my religion. Satanists have fought for their religion in the past, as other people have fought for their religion of choice in the past. So I'm guessing we will again if that happens. But Satanists are more likely to fight against an religion that is imposed on an nation/world then fighting for dominance. And I predict other religions will fight over each other too, someday in the future... In the time of the Anti-Christ!

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

I would defend my church [Any Catholic denomination], and there's a good chance I'd be willing to defend any other Christian denomination as well. I wouldn't go out to fight to spread my religion.

I don't know about Keruvalia, but I'd like something in writing and a certified copy.

How about if lightning struck your lawn and produced an eloquent message burned into the grass written in perfect Hebrew (that you can miraculously understand, btw)? :)

Would I fight for any collective religion or institution? No.

Would I fight for the right to practice my faith, whatever it may be? Yes.

Being an atheist of agnostic doesn't mean you become apathetic. I personally would offer fight to any christian, budist, democrat, autocrat, cleptomaniac, economic- or political theory or -movement or anybody or anything else, which would attempt to force a set of beliefs on me...

Does this include defending yourself?

You try being the only one wearing a cross (necklace) in a town full of wiccans and atheists, when their little 'we're going to go on a rampage because some jerkoff burned us at the stake on this day 8 billion years ago' anniversary rolls around. It's not very easy to take a trip down to the store.

Holy crap I'm glad to be out of New England. Hardcore catholics and wiccans were all I ever saw, and neither of them liked me very much. It's hard to imagine being a nondenominational christian walking through that mess.

I'm a bad bad Catholic, but if called upon by the Pope I would fight for the Mother Church. I can't really explain why, I disagree with Church Doctrine, frequently argue with Preists and haven't been to Reconiliation (Confession) in a month.

Yor thoughts people. There's a poll of some varasity comming soon.

If called upon by the Pope? Why? He has no importance whatsoever! He is but a man and a man alone. I would like to point out at this time that I speant many years of my life (16 years) as a devout Roman Catholic and in the last couple of years I have realised the major problems with the way things are conducted in Roman Catholicism.

The first being the Pope - as a RC I looked up to him and listened to what he had to say, but I nw realise that I was listening to the wrong person. There is one person and one alone that we should look to and follow and that is Jesus Christ. The Pope claims an authority that is not his and is there for wrong.

If this is offensive to some, I apologies with all my heart as insulting others is not the purpose of this, but to point out a few home truths and observations. A few years ago, I would have been offended with this, but now I can see the sense in it.

If you wish to be a good Christian, regardless of denomination, may I suggest you begin by reading Colossians 1:15-23 :

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him.

17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,

18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things;

19 because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him,

20 and through him to reconcile again to himself all [other] things by making peace through the blood [he shed] on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens.

21 Indeed, YOU who were once alienated and enemies because YOUR minds were on the works that were wicked,

22 he now has again reconciled by means of that one’s fleshly body through [his] death, in order to present YOU holy and unblemished and open to no accusation before him,

23 provided, of course, that YOU continue in the faith, established on the foundation and steadfast and not being shifted away from the hope of that good news which YOU heard, and which was preached in all creation that is under heaven. Of this [good news] I Paul became a minister.

It is only through Jesus and his word and instruction that we may find God - not through the words and instructions of the Pope or a Priest...but through Jesus and his word, the Gospel.

May God bless you all...

Defend.. maybe.

Fight for the pope? No way. I think he's a phoney.

I'd fight for my religion. That is, the one which I created and will bring to the infidel with fire and sword...


Although on a more serious note, I'd fight for the unification of religion, or in defence of it against militant atheism (should it occur). Not for any specific religion, but for human contact with the divine as a whole.

Fact:


ANY religion, that calls upon its followers to fight, is a bad one!

I'm a non-religous reform Jew. The only concievable reason i would fight for any religion is if it was being wrongfully opressed, like during the Holocaust

I'm a bad bad Catholic, but if called upon by the Pope I would fight for the Mother Church. I can't really explain why, I disagree with Church Doctrine, frequently argue with Preists and haven't been to Reconiliation (Confession) in a month.

Yor thoughts people. There's a poll of some varasity comming soon.

i know how you feel, i am the smae bad catholic. hell, i haven't been to chruch in about 2 years. but that doesn't mean i stopped believing. if my religion told me to raise to arms though, it had better be a damn good reason. example, if another religion was to push me around and tell me to conform. i would gladly fight back, but i would not kill without just cause. example, a pistol pressed to my head or a bullet coming towards my direction.
also, i would like to point out that the catholic church hasn't oppressed anyone for that a very long time. mind you i know that the church has made some serious mistakes and i apoligize for that, but i didn't happen to be there, but i will say sorry for the mistakes of my father.
also i would like to say that the church has also been oppressed itself, just like the majority of every religion. christians had a rut during the roman era with nero, i believe the jews had it the worst with the roman era and the holocaust, islam is under attack as we speak. i guess every religions will get to that point in life at some point, but i pray not.
if you really want to know how a religion thinks, go to a snynogouge, church, mosque, temple, for a couple of days and make your own judgement. its not that difficult and is virtually painless (except when they say mass in church in latin.... and you don't know any latin). i myself went to a buddhist temple, and it was amazing.

happy trails religion hopping.

I'm a bad bad Catholic, but if called upon by the Pope I would fight for the Mother Church. I can't really explain why, I disagree with Church Doctrine, frequently argue with Preists and haven't been to Reconiliation (Confession) in a month.

Yor thoughts people. There's a poll of some varasity comming soon.

See why I dislike religion?

If this is offensive to some, I apologies with all my heart as insulting others is not the purpose of this, but to point out a few home truths and observations. A few years ago, I would have been offended with this, but now I can see the sense in it.

<sermon snipped>



Funny ... I wasn't aware this was the "Let's try to prove Catholics aren't really Christian" thread.

Funny ... I wasn't aware this was the "Let's try to prove Catholics aren't really Christian" thread.

I ask that you do not manipulate what I have said, thank you very much.

It is a FACT that Roman Catholism IS a denomination of the CHRISTIAN faith.

Q. Are Roman Cathloics Christian?
A. Do they believe in Jesus Christ and that he is the saviour of us all and that all things were created by him and for him and that it is only through Christ that we may be saved from Hell?

If the answer to this is no, then you cannot be Christian.

So it is up to the Roman Catholics to decide whether they are to answer Yes or No, isn't it? In the end God will judge us all.

Again, I apologise if I sound arrogant or insulting - believe me, I have no such intentions.

God bless you...

How about if lightning struck your lawn and produced an eloquent message burned into the grass written in perfect Hebrew (that you can miraculously understand, btw)? :)
Is it signed and dated?

See why I dislike religion? Because it controls people like Rotovia and compels them to fight against their will? :confused:

I would definitely fight to defend Catholicism, but never just to spread it. That would go right against Christianity. I wouldn't fight on anything like the Crusades. Wrong, wrong, wrong, it was.

At the risk of sounding like a parrot, I agree with the senitments posted by many already. I would never fight to force someone to agree with my beliefs, but I would fight, if necessary, for my right to believe what I believe. I should hope I would do the same for anyone's right to believe what they do.

Olara']At the risk of sounding like a parrot, I agree with the senitments posted by many already. I would never fight to force someone to agree with my beliefs, but I would fight, if necessary, my right to believe what I believe. I should hope I would do the same for anyone's right to believe what they do. Fight for the parrots!

Olara']At the risk of sounding like a parrot, I agree with the senitments posted by many already. I would never fight to force someone to agree with my beliefs, but I would fight, if necessary, my right to believe what I believe. I should hope I would do the same for anyone's right to believe what they do.
At the risk of sounding like a parrot -- ditto.

But I don't know about fighting, per se. I don't think I could get worked up to doing violence over the right to read the fairy tale of one's choice -- even my own right to read the fairy tale I choose to believe in. Resistance is more my speed, even to the point of taking a bullet, because I'll never, never back down -- but if anyone uses the word "martyr" around me, I'll kick their ass.

I would fight for the whole of Christianity. I myself am a Lutheran, a Proud LCMS Apostolic catholic Lutheran. I'm actually training to fight for our cause, as a pastor.
But I would fight in any way possible and will fight without arms for the time being.

God Bless!

Yes, I would. I am absolutely bloody sick of watching atheists cave in the second some fuckwit with a book a schizophrenic wrote during the bronze age* takes issue with them having a rational approach to the world.

*(Or the '50s if they're a $cientologist.)

the exact opposite of what all religions are about?

My religion still officially is Roman-Catholic, but I would never fight for it.

Oh fuck it, maybe it's time I caved and stop being a Catholic who doesn't believe in God and finally made the tiptoe accross the line to all out atheism?
I wouldn't advise doing that. Faith can be a vibrant part of your life. If you've been a Catholic all your life, cutting that part out may do more harm than you think. Maybe instead of giving up on God you should figure out why you don't believe in him. Talk with a spiritual mentor (in your case, most likely a priest) about your doubts/objections/whatever. If he won't give you a straight answer or tells you simply not to question, find one who will engage in positive dialog with you. I guarantee they exist; Christians are always to be ready to give an answer for the hope they have in them. (1 Peter 3:15)

I'm a non-religous reform Jew. The only concievable reason i would fight for any religion is if it was being wrongfully opressed, like during the Holocaust


Best answer yet...

Besides, do you people know how hard it to wash blood off of clothes?
It isn't worth the hassle... :p

My religion still officially is Roman-Catholic, but I would never fight for it.
Same here. However, I would defend values I've formed since being baptised.

Best answer yet...

Besides, do you people know how hard it to wash blood off of clothes?
It isn't worth the hassle... :p Wear cool armour then, with spikes.

I would fight to defend religious people, not religious ideas.

I would fight to defend religious people, not religious ideas. The two can sometimes be intertwined.

Since there is no heirarchy to my "religion" (Deisim) there would be no one to fight for.

I will fight for the Freedom to Choose a religion, but that's not quite the same, is it?

I wouldn't fight for anything or anyone except myself.

I wouldn't fight for anything or anyone except myself. An angry sailor is attempting to rape and kill me. Please do something.

The two can sometimes be intertwined.

I know. Fortunately, there's a simple formula I can use.

Religious people who need defending+me=fight for religious people.

Religious people who need defending+religious ideas+me=fight for religious people

Religious ideas that need defending+me=meh

I will; however, defend the right of religious folks to express their ideas and practice based on those ideas insofar as that practice does not harm another.

An angry sailor is attempting to rape and kill me. Please do something.

If I saw him attempting to rape and kill you, I'd call the police. I wouldn't get involved physically, as the risk of injury would be too great. I don't put myself in unnecessary danger for the welfare of others.

If I saw him attempting to rape and kill you, I'd call the police. I wouldn't get involved physically, as the risk of injury would be too great. I don't put myself in unnecessary danger. Gaaaah, do unto others as you would have done to yourself. That's the reason I'd fight to defend people - as I'd like to be defended. Each other life is of equal value to my own and I have a responsibility to protect others if they are in immediate danger.

Gaaaah, do unto others as you would have done to yourself. That's the reason I'd fight to defend people - as I'd like to be defended. Each other life is of equal value to my own and I have a responsibility to protect others if they are in immediate danger.

I wouldn't expect someone to risk their life for a stranger's, as I myself wouldn't. I value my life above all others, and I'd kill a thousand people if it meant I'd continue living instead of dying. I don't believe in a responsibility to protect others if it means one must put themselves in immediate danger. It's called self-preservation and I'm one of its biggest advocates. Call it selfish, heartless, inhuman, whatever. My priorities are in order.

atheist - but would fight against say anti-atheists - like muzza fundamentals , or christian nutjobs.

I wouldn't expect someone to risk their life for a stranger's, as I myself wouldn't. I value my life above all others, and I'd kill a thousand people if it meant I'd continue living instead of dying. I don't believe in a responsibility to protect others if it means one must put themselves in immediate danger. It's called self-preservation and I'm one of its biggest advocates. Call it selfish, heartless, inhuman, whatever. My priorities are in order. No one's life is superior to anyone else's. Dying to defend others is great and noble.

Allyah personally? Or would like say... Gabriel do?

I wouldn't fight for Aliyah personally, she's dead.

Maybe Beyonce. If she asked nicely.

No one's life is superior to anyone else's. Dying to defend others is great and noble.

That's your opinion, and it differs greatly from mine. In the grand scheme of things, all life is worthless except to those who place value in it. Much of society determined that diamonds and gold are precious commodities, now they are deemed significant. To some cultures, they're nothing but garbage.

i would fight for my religon, but only if it was under attack specificly. i would always fight for my people though. - judaism

That's your opinion, and it differs greatly from mine. In the grand scheme of things, all life is worthless except to those who place value in it. Much of society determined that diamonds and gold are precious commodities, now they are deemed significant. To some cultures, they're nothing but garbage. Human life is different. It is unknowable, invaluable, and something that to each man is precious. My opinion leads to the greatest good for the greatest number.

Human life is different. It is unknowable, invaluable, and something that to each man is precious. My opinion leads to the greatest good for the greatest number.

Humans are no different in composition than an ant, both are made of the same elements. Both strive to propagate their particular species, both try to make their society successful. Both act for the greatest good for the greatest number. If you crush an ant, it dies. If you crush a human, it dies. The only difference? Humans are far more advanced and capable of thought. This allows me to go against what is best for humanity and instead focus on what is best for myself. You seem to view me in an unfavorable light because of it, which is entirely understandable.

Humans are no different in composition than an ant, both are made of the same elements. Both strive to propagate their particular species, both try to make their society successful. Both act for the greatest good for the greatest number. If you crush an ant, it dies. If you crush a human, it dies. The only difference? Humans are far more advanced and capable of thought. This allows me to go against what is best for humanity and instead focus on what is best for myself. You seem to view me in an unfavorable light because of it, which is entirely understandable. If you're no more important than an ant, why bother saving yourself over others? From a purely logical point of view, ten ants are more worth saying than one ant.

If you're no more important than an ant, why bother saving yourself over others? From a purely logical point of view, ten ants are more worth saying than one ant.

"The only difference? Humans are far more advanced and capable of thought. This allows me to go against what is best for humanity and instead focus on what is best for myself."

Why would I focus on myself? The truth is, instinct instills it within me. If a raging axe murderer begins the chase, I will run to prevent dying and the pain involved. If I see a raging axe murderer hacking someone to bits, I won't interfere, for the same reason. If I had the guts to take my own life, I would. But I don't, and will therefore live my life as comfortably as possible even if it means someone else has to suffer. As I said previously, if I had to sacrifice a hundred lives for my own, I would. Selfish? Perhaps, but there's nothing inherently wrong with selfishness in my mind. However, I can definitely understand why others believe the exact opposite.

I'm agnostic.

I'm agnostic.

Which means you can't be sure one way or the other what you'd do :)

I'm a firm believer in atheism. And the next Jehova's Witness who rings me outta bed at 9am on a Saturday will find out if I am willing to kill for my religion...

I'm a firm believer in atheism. And the next Jehova's Witness who rings me outta bed at 9am on a Saturday will find out if I am willing to kill for my religion...

I use the literature they give me as doorstops and fuel for the fireplace. Bless their kind souls.

"Fight" in: someone tries to prove that I'm wrong, that my religion is stupid etc., then I'd tell him what I think. YES

"Fight" in: Try to convince others that their religion is stupid but mine is right: NO

"Fight" in: Physically attack someone: NO


P.S.: <---- Roman catholic here

I would definately fight for my Religion. I am a Protestant Christian. Jesus Rules! Martin Luther Rules! By the way i'm still sore over the Thirty Years War and the Counter-Reformation.
I'm not, I'd burn your ass if you even look heritical. :p

I'm an atheist but i would fight against religious tyranny. If the country somehow ended up like Iran or something then I'd fight against it. People can believe any stupid crap they want to, but as soon as they start to hurt others because of it, it can nolonger be tolerated.

I'm an atheist but i would fight against religious tyranny. If the country somehow ended up like Iran or something then I'd fight against it. People can believe any stupid crap they want to, but as soon as they start to hurt others because of it, it can nolonger be tolerated.
I'd never hurt you Zolly :P ;)

I'm an athiest, but i would fight for my religion!

For me it purely depends on who the 'fight' was against. Not sure, perhaps I wouldn't though.. Meh.

well, i suppose i would fight for lolth, but unfourtantley, there's no actual cult devoted to her

I would fight for Allah's cause if Allah asked me to.

Otherwise ... meh.

What if Allah told me to tell you to fight for him?

Anyway, if any religion called upon people to destroy Buddhism, I'd do it. But that's it.

What if Allah told me to tell you to fight for him?

Anyway, if any religion called upon people to destroy Buddhism, I'd do it. But that's it.
Rotovism, I really don't udnerstand why more people aren't into it. You don't have to wear pants, you get to beat up monks & there's all the cheese you can eat...

Fight for my religious ideals by protesting, etc: Yes

Fight by willing to lay down my life: Maybe

Fight by willing to kill or injure someone else: No

To fight for my religion would be to slay it. My religion does not require anyone to fight for it, nor does it permit of same.
wellwhatthe hell about the crusades? They killed many because of an arguement about who's imaginary friend is better/

What brought that on? And why fight on the Pope's orders if you don't believe in God to begin with? :confused:

Fuck Catholicism, baby. Go to the dark side, the chicks are hotter.

wellwhatthe hell about the crusades? They killed many because of an arguement about who's imaginary friend is better/

Yeah, trade routes to the middle east, reestablishing political power in europe, sacking Orthodox christianity weren't really causes - it was a simple matter of who has the better god. I love history lessons.