NationStates Jolt Archive

I was interested in who supports Israeli and why, and who supports the Arab nations and why

It depends on the day of the week.

As "both" is not an option, I will not vote.

In truth, I don't support either, sorry.

I picked Arab because it's the first letter in the alphabet.

Israel practically goes out of its way to infuriate Arabs, and oppresses the Palestinians. Arab governments refuse to recognize Israel, or make any compromises. I'd say both are at fault.

Yah, where's the "both of them got some splainin to do" option?

There is no both because I want to know which is better liked
I do not want to know that both nations are liked because that defeats the purpose :D

I'm a Muslim ... and I'm a Jew ... but I'm not an Arab ....

I will not choose.

Both have their problems, both have their good things.

Israel's a democratic nation, and an ally of the USA. I tend to favor Israel.

Israel's a democratic nation, and an ally of the USA. I tend to favor Israel.

So's Egypt.

So's Egypt.

That's a bit of a stretch, compared to Israel. They haven't had any real elections up until this year.

So's Egypt.
How many times has Mubarak been elected? How much actual opposition has he faced? This last election was close to democratic, but seriously, Israel's alot more democratic than Egypt. Also Israel cooperates more closely in high-tech projects with US industry and the US military.

Just so people know, here's the choice presented:

Arab Nations - Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, U.A.E., and Yemen.

Israeli Nations - Israel and parts of New York.

Arab Nations - Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, U.A.E., and Yemen.

Israeli Nations - Israel and parts of New York.

If that's what we've got, I'd choose the Israeli nations.

Since you said "Israeli" and "Arab Nations" rather than "Israeli" and "Palestinian People" I have to vote Israel - if for no other reason than they, unlike most of the "arab" States - who want to see Israel driven into the sea, have no desire as a State to totally eliminate any other State.

I'll take a productive, if violent "leave me the f*ck alone" State over a violent and unproductive "die infidel scum" State any day.

Just so people know, here's the choice presented:

Arab Nations - Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, U.A.E., and Yemen.

Israeli Nations - Israel and parts of New York.
Don't forget Lakewood, NJ. click (http://fishing.injersey.com/hlsphoto/hls042304pg/pages/05hls.htm)

If that's what we've got, I'd choose the Israeli nations.

According to the poll, that's the choice.

Don't forget Lakewood, NJ. click (http://fishing.injersey.com/hlsphoto/hls042304pg/pages/05hls.htm)


Oooh right! Can't forget there ... or the Hamptons.

They both messed up pretty badly.
Were this 40, 50 years ago I would have supported the Palestinian's cause - the Palestinian people disapproved of Israel's creation from the very beginning, as did the surrounding Arab nations. They lost their war in the land grab because the UN-supported Israeli troops were given superior weaponry.
Ever since then though the Palestinian cause has become blind to logic and become, overall, foolish.
And I'm sorry, but if Poland didn't get back all of its land after WW2, then the Israelis shouldn't get the land they lost 1500 years ago. I sympathize with their position, but thats about all they should get - sympathy.

Oh, BTW Keru, it's good to see that you have power enough to post and that Allah didn't smite you despite being a PITA... :p

And genuine Kudos for volunteering to stay back with the Relief forces. :)

Keru - no Iran?

Keru - no Iran?

Iran isn't an Arab nation, ethnically speaking.

I support Palestine, as their land was basically stolen by the U.N. and handed over to the Jews. Then the newly formed Israel ended up conquering even more territory, and Palestine as a state disappeared. Some argue that Palestine as an entity never existed, though I disagree.

How would you like it if the government took away your property and gave it to someone else? If your culture was absorbed and you were forced to adopt a new way of life, or get the hell out? If an urban environment with high crime suddenly sprung up in your backyard?

Iran isn't an Arab nation, ethnically speaking.

I guess you're right. Still, it seems like the poll is asking "Israel vs. Israel's enemies," and when I think of that kind of grouping, I consider nations like Iran included, and nations like Qatar, Bahrain, Egypt, and Jordan left out.

If you wanna feel what its like to be in the Palestinian's shoes...

Imagine that the State you live in was given to the Native Americans and everyone else was given the boot. Then imagine the State that you moved to was conquered by the Natives.

In general, Israel. I feel they deserve that country, after 2000 years of Diaspora, after the Inquisition, after the Holocaust and after being a target for every arab in the Middle East.

They deserve a homeland. But so do the Palestinians. Which is why I say they should live side by side. But if you put a gun to my head and made me pick, I'd give it all to Israel, for the above reasons, and because Palestinans could probably fit in in any neighbouring country, but one would be hard pressed to find a friendly home for the Jews in that area.

Shouldnt it be "muslim nations", Arab is just an ethnicity (and some people dont associate several of the "muslim nations" as being arab, like iran, and some radicle others include israelis as being "arab" in ethnicity and israeli in nationalitiy).

Anyone remember that UN (real not ns) resolution that basicaly stated that zionism was fascism? it was later struck down by another UN resolution fielded by the US. I personaly dont agree with anyone but Libya's idea of "isratine", so i put arab.

edit: But the idea of the federative state that Yugoslavia and India fielded before the partition plan was also a great idea.

Edit: any anyone who says that palestinians are fine in other arab nations aren't very smart, not all arab nations are the same, just ask jordan why its not best friends with syria.

Well, I don't like anyone making war - and both sides have done plenty of that.
It should be said, just on the side, that Israel has a fair share of responsibility too for some of the conflicts that happened.

I'm all for a Palestinian state, I think the occupation is very much illegal, and if the Palestinians would keep to defending themselves against Israeli incursions, or maybe occasionally attacking Israeli military installations, then I could think that justified.
When they shoot missiles at Israeli civilians, or get people to blow themselves up among them, then that goes three or four stages too far, and I don't condone that.

So I would prefer it if Israel went back to its original 1948/49 borders, and we could start this whole thing again but better, but since I don't agree with many things its neighbours have done - I'm not going to vote for either.

In general, Israel. I feel they deserve that country, after 2000 years of Diaspora, after the Inquisition, after the Holocaust and after being a target for every arab in the Middle East.

They deserve a homeland. But so do the Palestinians. Which is why I say they should live side by side. But if you put a gun to my head and made me pick, I'd give it all to Israel, for the above reasons, and because Palestinans could probably fit in in any neighbouring country, but one would be hard pressed to find a friendly home for the Jews in that area.

Well, shouldn't any oppressed group be given a homeland then? Why not set aside a portion of the U.S.A specifically for atheists and agnostics to live in and own? I'm an agnostic myself. Hey, we've had to put up with a lot of shit too. We should make those Christian sons-of-bitches pay, right? Don't we deserve compensation in the form of land? Or is it wrong of me to use 'we' when referring to those who suffered? Ask yourself that when referring to Israel and Jews.

It's not like the Arabs tried to invade Israel a billion times...serves 'em right.

It's not like the Arabs tried to invade Israel a billion times...serves 'em right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israeli_Wars

Read up, both sides are at fault - what is sadly missing from this article is by the way that Jewish extremists shot the UN negotiator in 1948 (I think), and that Ben Gurion declared the state of Israel preemptively, and without setting any borders.
Only after that happened did the other Arab States (mere colonies, just freed as well) declare war.

Oh, BTW Keru, it's good to see that you have power enough to post and that Allah didn't smite you despite being a PITA... :p

And genuine Kudos for volunteering to stay back with the Relief forces. :)

A PITA? Whassat?

Anyhoo ... power is, well, strange. There's a 4 county rolling blackout going on ... it's very annoying.

Oh never mind ... I just looked up PITA ... heh ... ;)

Keru - no Iran?

Iran is Persian, not Arab. :)

Then as an english wiki reader, its your job to add those events in!


on another note: Yes the other "arab" states were just freed colonies, correct me if im wrong but the g.hights were syrian territory no? anyways, perhapse colonialism is to blame for this. Remember, jews and muslims coexisted in peace untill zionists began migrateing into palestine (palestine region of otttoman empire, not state of palestine).

They both messed up pretty badly.
Were this 40, 50 years ago I would have supported the Palestinian's cause - the Palestinian people disapproved of Israel's creation from the very beginning, as did the surrounding Arab nations. They lost their war in the land grab because the UN-supported Israeli troops were given superior weaponry.
Ever since then though the Palestinian cause has become blind to logic and become, overall, foolish.
And I'm sorry, but if Poland didn't get back all of its land after WW2, then the Israelis shouldn't get the land they lost 1500 years ago. I sympathize with their position, but thats about all they should get - sympathy.
In the war of 1948 Israeli was attacked by Egypt, Syria, Saudia Arabia, et al. It was a miracle they won. The Palestinian people were offered a great part of Israel as a country but refused it and chose to fight instead.
If you go with your Poland theory then the Palestinians lost their land in the War of 1948 and shouldn't get any land back. Beside the Palestinians are just pawns being used by the other Arab nations. To quote a great Israeli politician Aba Eban: "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

I support Palestine, as their land was basically stolen by the U.N. and handed over to the Jews. Then the newly formed Israel ended up conquering even more territory, and Palestine as a state disappeared. Some argue that Palestine as an entity never existed, though I disagree.

How would you like it if the government took away your property and gave it to someone else? If your culture was absorbed and you were forced to adopt a new way of life, or get the hell out? If an urban environment with high crime suddenly sprung up in your backyard?
The Palestinians never owned the land. Before 1948 it was the British. Before them the Turks. Before them someone else. There was no stealing involved. And if the Arab nations are united why wouldn't any of them take in the Palestinian refugees? They didn't want the problem plus it easier for the political agenda to keep them as refugees.

The Jews have a right to live in Israel peacefully. The Palestinians have a right to form their own nation state. Until the terrorists can be stopped Israel has a right to defend itself and be suspicious of any overtures. I think Americans can now relate (a tiny bit) to what it's like to be very cautious when it comes to security.
If you go back to the Bile (Old Testament) you'll see that Arabs and Jews are actually cousins. Abraham had two sons Ishamel (Father of the Arabs) and Isaac (Father of the Jews).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israeli_Wars

Read up, both sides are at fault - what is sadly missing from this article is by the way that Jewish extremists shot the UN negotiator in 1948 (I think), and that Ben Gurion declared the state of Israel preemptively, and without setting any borders.
Only after that happened did the other Arab States (mere colonies, just freed as well) declare war.
You can't offer an argument with the phrase "I think" in it.

Well, for example I far prefer Israel over Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt, but they tend to be on par with Jordan, which, while not a democracy, is far nicer than your average Arab nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israeli_Wars

Read up, both sides are at fault - what is sadly missing from this article is by the way that Jewish extremists shot the UN negotiator in 1948 (I think), and that Ben Gurion declared the state of Israel preemptively, and without setting any borders.
Only after that happened did the other Arab States (mere colonies, just freed as well) declare war.
notice something about that diagram? you can barely see israel, compared with the huge tracks of land the arab league nations have. i agree with plator, that the arab league could find room practically anywhere in its bulk for the palestinians, they just dont want to deal with israel, so they back the palestinians up.

look at this Map (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1948_arab_israeli_war_-_May15-June10.jpg)
its amazing that israel even survived that attck, with the odds hugely tipped toward the arabs

Israel practically goes out of its way to infuriate Arabs, and oppresses the Palestinians. Arab governments refuse to recognize Israel, or make any compromises. I'd say both are at fault.

That about sums up how I feel, as well.

Just so people know, here's the choice presented:

Arab Nations - Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, U.A.E., and Yemen.

Israeli Nations - Israel and parts of New York.


why the hell is somalia a member of the arab league? the somalian people are not arabs and the somalian language is not an arab language/dialect

A pox on all their houses!

why the hell is somalia a member of the arab league? the somalian people are not arabs and the somalian language is not an arab language/dialect

I don't know ... ask the Arabs.

I support turning the entire region into one HUGE pane of glass...

What was wrong with the other thread with the same topic ?

Israel practically goes out of its way to infuriate Arabs, and oppresses the Palestinians. Arab governments refuse to recognize Israel, or make any compromises. I'd say both are at fault.

It's a matter of land and both groups think they have a divine right to the land. To be honest I'm in support of the Arab Nations because Israel gets huge military support and advanced weaponry from the US. All the Arab Nations get from the West is hatred and bombs dropped on them. The West is so xenophobic.

It's a matter of land and both groups think they have a divine right to the land. To be honest I'm in support of the Arab Nations because Israel gets huge military support and advanced weaponry from the US. All the Arab Nations get from the West is hatred and bombs dropped on them. The West is so xenophobic.

Thats a very well thought out way to pick the winner of a football game .
The Arabs being deprived of course and only getting their military support and advanced weaponry from the former Soviet Union :D not to mention the 10 to ratio in the size of the combined Arab military compared to Israel .
Whats the score so far in the game ?

This cracks me up The West is so xenophobic...
Whats a better Xenophobe than an Arab ? :D

suffering from xenophobia; having abnormal fear or hatred of the strange or foreign
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Xenophobia means fear of strangers or the unknown and comes from the Greek ξενοφοβια, xenophobia, literally meaning "fear of the strange". It is typically used to describe fear of or dislike of foreigners, but racism in general is sometimes described as a form of xenophobia, as are such prejudices as homophobia. Xenophobia implies a belief, accurate or not, that the target is in some way alien. Prejudice against women can not be considered xenop

Thats a very well thought out way to pick the winner of a football game .
The Arabs being deprived of course and only getting their military support and advanced weaponry from the former Soviet Union :D not to mention the 10 to ratio in the size of the combined Arab military compared to Israel .
Whats the score so far in the game ?

Great so while Arab forces have old, dated, Soviet weapons, Israel has the world's second most technologically advanced military (second to the USA). I think the Israeli technology plus the might of the 'crusader' US Army outdoes the Arab military's dated Soviet weapons.

Myopia...Explain why , the weapons you have , gives you more or less right to anything , but the weapons you have . Not that you have much of a clue as to the relitive streghts and weakness of each military . Or the ranking vs. the rest of the worlds armys. france and great Britain and China and Iran and a slew of other countries are probably shocked to learn that they have a weaker military than Israel :D

Explain why , the weapons you have , gives you more or less right to anything , but the weapons you have . Not that you have much of a clue as to the relitive streghts and weakness of each military . Or the ranking vs. the rest of the worlds armys. france and great Britain and China and Iran and a slew of other countries are probably shocked to learn that they have a weaker military than Israel :D

Never did I say that Israel's army was stronger. I said it was more advanced - because it gets it's technology direct from the USA.
As to what weapons = what rights : the weapons a nation(s) has bears no reflection on it's rights.
I'm merely stating that Arab Nations are militarily outnumbered by other nations.
That's one of the reasons I am supportive of the Arab Nations, because The West feels it has to be more superior. Also, in general, the Arab Nations stand against globalization .
How can I support anyone who supports the invation and occupation of Iraq, the oil quest.

Never did I say that Israel's army was stronger. I said it was more advanced - because it gets it's technology direct from the USA.
As to what weapons = what rights : the weapons a nation(s) has bears no reflection on it's rights.
I'm merely stating that Arab Nations are militarily outnumbered by other nations.
That's one of the reasons I am supportive of the Arab Nations, because The West feels it has to be more superior. Also, in general, the Arab Nations stand against globalization .
How can I support anyone who supports the invation and occupation of Iraq, the oil quest.

Do you drive a car ? Do you take a bus ? do you buy or use anything made of plastic ?

Do you drive a car ? Do you take a bus ? do you buy or use anything made of plastic ?

Because I live an everyday consumerist life (I cannot help this) does not mean I should support a wrong war.
Other forms of energy can be researched and funded more. Oil will run out one day no matter how many wars we fight for it.