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If you could only have one pistol...

Frangland
27-09-2005, 16:37
If you could only have one pistol, what would it be?

The poll includes some of the better known pistols in production today, but of course I have included the "Other" option if your choice deviates from those listed in the poll.

Discuss.

Gun-haters: please don't flame. I would, however, encourage you to take a look at the guns in the poll and perhaps vote based on looks. hehe (or whatever floats your boat). I'd like to make this a topic for everyone, so long as 2nd amendment flaming (merits of guns, merits of gun control, etc.) is kept out of it.

Many of these pistols come in different styles. For instance the Hi-Power comes in three: Mark III (basic hi-power), Practical (two-tone blue and stainless) and Standard (high-gloss finish, wood grips -- shown in link). Feel free to navigate to see other versions of each gun to see which style of each pistol you like best. (these are the 9mm... you can look up the rest)

Beretta 92FS 9mm: http://www.berettausa.com/product/product_pistols_main.htm

Browning Hi-Power 9mm: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=007B&cat_id=051&type_id=003

Glock 19 9mm: http://www.glock.com/te_g19.htm

Sig P226 9mm: http://www.sigarms.com/products/classicfullsize-models.asp?product_id=41

H&K USP 9mm: http://www.heckler-koch.de/core.php?dat=Y29tcG9uZW50PWFydGljbGVzJmFjdGlvbj1zaG93JnhJRD1wcm9kdWN0QXJ0aWNsZURldGFpbHMmYXJ0aWNsZUl EPTM3OSZjYXRJRD0xMzA0JmxhbmdJRD01JnBhcmVudElEPTcyNCZuYXZpZ2F0aW9uSUQ9NzI1JmJhY2tCdXQ9c2hvdyZ1c2VGbGF zaD0=
Armorvia
27-09-2005, 16:39
Sorry, I'll take the one I carry now...with Hakan's custom Zebrawood grips, as well.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/G101avatarpic.jpg
Fass
27-09-2005, 16:42
http://www.un.org/events/peace_day99/swords.gif

I don't care about your second amendment.
Sierra BTHP
27-09-2005, 16:45
http://www.atomicmuseum.com/tour/photos/sculpture.jpg

I don't care about your second amendment.

That's ok. I like your erotic porn movies and I like ABBA.
Kanabia
27-09-2005, 16:45
OK, I may be a "gun hater", but...

http://www.legendaryguns.com/_borders/Desert-Eagle1.jpg

:p
Laerod
27-09-2005, 16:46
I may not like the philosophy of owning guns, but I can still have some kind of preference.
I'll go for the H&K, mainly because it's German... :D
Frangland
27-09-2005, 16:46
I was in the Bass Pro Shop at Opry Mills (in Nashville) mall the other day and saw the Browning Hi-Power with the wood grips and high-sheen polish... man was that a nice-looking pistol. I've heard they work pretty well too. hehe

God bless John Browning!
Verghastinsel
27-09-2005, 16:47
I'd have a .455 1915 Webley Mk6, for antique value.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/webley_mk6.jpg
Fass
27-09-2005, 16:47
That's ok. I like your erotic porn movies and I like ABBA.

Glad to be of service.
Sierra BTHP
27-09-2005, 16:48
Glad to be of service.

So that was you I saw in that movie?
Sandys exile
27-09-2005, 16:51
It's not that I don't like guns. It's that I don't like other people carry guns.

If I had to carry one I'd use the Makarov 9 x 18
(semi-auto pistol only, I'd prefer a sixshooter if possible)
Rhursbourg
27-09-2005, 16:52
A nice hand made good quailty hand made pair of Italian Dueling Pistols
Fass
27-09-2005, 16:52
So that was you I saw in that movie?

You're a fan of gay porn?
Jester III
27-09-2005, 16:54
"Other" (http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=425SS4&category=Revolver)
Zaxon
27-09-2005, 16:55
Glock 20--10mm.
With the .40S&W and .357SIG barrels.
And the slide from a Glock21--.45ACP (and the mags to go with it).

:D

I can't just stick with one gun.... :cool:
Ravea
27-09-2005, 16:55
http://www.poseidon.co.jp/6F/alucard/g_ar01.jpg

454. Casull. Yea, the Hellsing type. Would I be able to use it? No, not for beans. But it would be pretty badass.
Sierra BTHP
27-09-2005, 16:56
You're a fan of gay porn?
I watch all kinds of porn, as long as it's adults.

What, as a heterosexual Republican swinger, I'm not supposed to find the occasional display of homosexual acts erotic in some way?
Megaloria
27-09-2005, 16:57
Nintendo Light Gun.
Fass
27-09-2005, 16:57
What, as a heterosexual Republican swinger, I'm not supposed to find the occasional display of homosexual acts erotic in some way?

Actually, you are.
Lord-General Drache
27-09-2005, 16:59
Desert Eagle. Failing that, a Beretta.
Sierra BTHP
27-09-2005, 17:00
Actually, you are.
Hmm. I'm a believer in maximum personal freedom. Freedom to own and carry guns. Freedom to keep the government out of your sex life. Freedom to worship. Freedom of speech. Freedom to make money.

Gee, Fass, I just want the government out of everything, and I don't want a nanny state to run my life from cradle to grave. I don't want someone to say, "well, you can't have that particular gun because it's evil looking" or, "you and your wife can't screw around because we think that's strange".

Besides, I like Kimber pistols, even if they are overpriced.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-09-2005, 17:03
So that was you I saw in that movie?


Not a scat film, was it?
Frangland
27-09-2005, 17:05
Zaxon, where are you in Wisconsin? I grew up in Minocqua and got my bachelor's degree at UW-Madison... Wisconsin is still "home" to me.
Frangland
27-09-2005, 17:06
Desert Eagle. Failing that, a Beretta.

.357Mag, .44Mag or .50AE?
Drunk commies deleted
27-09-2005, 17:06
Beretta 9mm. It's reliable, from what I've heard. I've shot one at the range and it was pretty accurate, and 9mm is just fine for where I live. The only animals I might have to shoot lack thick hides and walk on two legs.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-09-2005, 17:09
I picked the Colt .45- its the only one on the list I've fired.

The other pistols I've fired were Simth & Wesson, but none made the list.

I've also had some fun with a Pietta black powder pistol in .44 magnum, shooting bowling pins.
Mortal Kombat II
27-09-2005, 17:10
http://www.un.org/events/peace_day99/swords.gif

I don't care about your second amendment.

Not surprising, considering you're from a totalitarian politically correct socialist dictatorship.
Kanabia
27-09-2005, 17:13
Not surprising, considering you're from a totalitarian politically correct socialist dictatorship.

I like you. You're funny.
Mortal Kombat II
27-09-2005, 17:16
I like you. You're funny.

What? It's true. In Sweden, you can go to jail for "hate crimes," i.e. saying anything that isn't politically correct. A country where you can't even voice your opinion without being persecuted is a dictatorship, is it not?
Kanabia
27-09-2005, 17:17
What? It's true. In Sweden, you can go to jail for "hate crimes," i.e. saying anything that isn't politically correct. A country where you can't even voice your opinion without being persecuted is a dictatorship, is it not?

By that definition, every country is a dictatorship.
Frangland
27-09-2005, 17:18
I picked the Colt .45- its the only one on the list I've fired.

The other pistols I've fired were Simth & Wesson, but none made the list.

I've also had some fun with a Pietta black powder pistol in .44 magnum, shooting bowling pins.

i could have added one more ... probably would have been S&W, CZ 75B (buddy of mine swears by his) or Ruger

I think if I ever really get into buying pistols (for me, it'd be to look at .. hehe.. maybe to take out to a target range now and then for kicks), I'd buy a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec .45ACP and that pretty, shiny Hi-Power with the wood grips...

my real ass-kicker would be a Colt Python .357Mag, which I hear is perhaps the best production revolver ever made.
Zaxon
27-09-2005, 17:24
Zaxon, where are you in Wisconsin? I grew up in Minocqua and got my bachelor's degree at UW-Madison... Wisconsin is still "home" to me.

The increasingly socialist hamlet of Madison.....the other half and I are actually looking toward more your neck of the woods...well at least within one state. Looking at NC, SC, or GA to relocate.
Mortal Kombat II
27-09-2005, 17:25
By that definition, every country is a dictatorship.

I guess so, but when it comes to political correctness, Sweden is one of the worst places. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Swedes or their country, it's just that their "hate crime" laws would scare the hell out of me if I lived there.
Sierra BTHP
27-09-2005, 17:26
The increasingly socialist hamlet of Madison.....the other half and I are actually looking toward more your neck of the woods...well at least within one state. Looking at NC, SC, or GA to relocate.
Virginia is also quite good. You can carry both openly and concealed - and the concealed permit is simple to obtain.
Skyfork
27-09-2005, 17:26
Hmm if I was only allowed one handgun it would have to be something not exactly calssified as normal or at least not average.

FN Five seveN pistol 5.7mm (mmm...Belgium)

A custom job made in the Philippines: a 4 shot revolver chambered in 5.56 NATO :eek:

Maybe something Canadian, a Para-Ordnance P-14

Or something in 10mm or .40 cal, which would inevitibly leave me towards the Austrians (Glock)

Then again, I could go for something American and get a Coonan .357 automatic (chambered in .357 rimmed!)

Or mabye a Korth (German) Combat revolver in .357...

Too many choices!
Fass
27-09-2005, 17:28
Not surprising, considering you're from a totalitarian politically correct socialist dictatorship.

Haha. I wish!
Laerod
27-09-2005, 17:28
I guess so, but when it comes to political correctness, Sweden is one of the worst places. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Swedes or their country, it's just that their "hate crime" laws would scare the hell out of me if I lived there.That's because you don't live there. Rampant American crime rates scare the hell out of any Europeans. The fact is, you rarely get nabbed for hate crime unless you publish things or hold speeches in front of very large, public audiences very often. And even then you have to get specific.
Zaxon
27-09-2005, 17:28
Virginia is also quite good. You can carry both openly and concealed - and the concealed permit is simple to obtain.

I've thought about it, but the wife wants to be further South. Attraction to hurricanes, maybe? :)
Mortal Kombat II
27-09-2005, 17:30
Haha. I wish!

Ever heard of Ake Green?

Free speech is almost non-existent in Sweden.
Fass
27-09-2005, 17:32
Ever heard of Ake Green?

You mean he who was acquitted?

Free speech is almost non-existent in Sweden.

You really are funny (and ignorant of Swedish law, apparently). But don't let that stop you!
Laerod
27-09-2005, 17:33
Ever heard of Ake Green?

Free speech is almost non-existent in Sweden.Ever heard of anyone else?
Myrmidonisia
27-09-2005, 17:42
I'm worried about the lack of people choosing 45 caliber pistols. What do you think you will stop with those metric pistols? Paper targets?

By the way, I just added a Colt 1911A1 Officers pistol to my collection. I need to duck out of work early to go shoot it.
Sierra BTHP
27-09-2005, 17:43
If you wanted to stop something, you would use a rifle.
Syniks
27-09-2005, 17:43
All of the above (poll) guns are good, but if I MUST pick only one gun - and can accessorize - I would probably pick a stainless 5" Ruger Old Army Cap & Ball with the optional 45LC cylinder and aftermarket adjustable sights.

With that I can effectively Hunt, do reasonable Self Defense duty, and make my own ammo & powder without cartridge reloading equipment.

If, however, I must choose only a modern cartridge gun that must double for CCW and (some) hunting, I would look towards a Ruger SP101 3" 357 or small-framed (5 shot) .44 magnum.

As much as I love the Browning (1911) design I'm not a fan of autos for field use.
Kanabia
27-09-2005, 17:44
If you wanted to stop something, you would use a rifle.

Or a chainsaw.
Sierra BTHP
27-09-2005, 17:46
Or a chainsaw.
Oh, is this a zombie thread now?
Fass
27-09-2005, 17:47
Or a chainsaw.

Or a pleasant conference. They always render me limpishly listless.
Legless Pirates
27-09-2005, 17:47
none :)
Kanabia
27-09-2005, 17:48
Oh, is this a zombie thread now?

Zombies, elephants, fat people, ninja...A chainsaw will work on pretty much anything. *nods*
Legless Pirates
27-09-2005, 17:49
Zombies, elephants, fat people, ninja...A chainsaw will work on pretty much anything. *nods*
even other chainsaws :D
Kanabia
27-09-2005, 17:50
Or a pleasant conference. They always render me limpishly listless.

Hahaha...A half-naked bear hug would probably work too.

Or free beer.
Skyfork
27-09-2005, 17:50
What bothers me is the large amount of 9mm pistols in that list...not practical.
I would never use 9mm as CCW weapon unless it was a holdout piece. I demand at least .40 S&W and the majority of Law Enforcement 1-hit kills have been by .40 S&W
Syniks
27-09-2005, 17:51
http://www.poseidon.co.jp/6F/alucard/g_ar01.jpg

454. Casull. Yea, the Hellsing type. Would I be able to use it? No, not for beans. But it would be pretty badass.

Interesting gun. As a (previous) owner of a Freedom Arms .454 (which I loved) I can say withour equivocation... are you nuts?

The .454 can easily produce over 75,000 CUP and well over 2,000 ftlbs of Muzzle Energy. No way in hell would I try to fire the Hellsing .454 - if it can be fired at all.
Fass
27-09-2005, 17:53
Hahaha...A half-naked bear hug would probably work too.

There'd go the limpness.
Sierra BTHP
27-09-2005, 17:54
There'd go the limpness.
I don't know. You probably wouldn't be impressed with my gluteal cleft.
Fass
27-09-2005, 17:56
I don't know. You probably wouldn't be impressed with my gluteal cleft.

It's what's within the gluteal cleft that counts.
Sierra BTHP
27-09-2005, 17:57
It's what's within the gluteal cleft that counts.
What? That winking thing in there?
Fass
27-09-2005, 17:59
What? That winking thing in there?

It winks? Oooh, you know how to impress a boy.
Sierra BTHP
27-09-2005, 18:00
It winks? Oooh, you know how to impress a boy.
Thought you were a man. My mistake...
Fass
27-09-2005, 18:04
Thought you were a man. My mistake...

Don't let my twinkinshness fool you. I'm proficient in taking slides up the shoot.
Lovfro
27-09-2005, 18:10
Sig Saur P210 Neuhausen

http://www.photobin.us/uploads/2b0835e636.jpg (http://www.photobin.us)

maybe because it's the only handgun I have ever shot :P
Ilura
27-09-2005, 18:24
Well... if I had to pick one, I'd go with the Walther P-99.

No particular reason, though.
Syniks
27-09-2005, 18:25
Don't let my twinkinshness fool you. I'm proficient in taking slides up the shoot.
Question is, how does the Trombonist feel about it?

Or were you talking about playground equipment...? :eek:
Fass
27-09-2005, 18:30
Question is, how does the Trombonist feel about it?

He feels packed.

Or were you talking about playground equipment...? :eek:

Well, it is fun to play.
Carnivorous Lickers
27-09-2005, 18:36
What? That winking thing in there?

A balloon knot? A dirty penny?
Carnivorous Lickers
27-09-2005, 18:39
Question is, how does the Trombonist feel about it?



He feels like hes playing a rusty trombone
AnarchScorpia
27-09-2005, 19:30
I'd have Sid Vicious from the Sex Pistols. With his face, he'd scare off anyone worse than any gun.
Unspeakable
27-09-2005, 19:39
I'm torn between that and the stainless sig p-200 I kinda like the sig because it's heavier.


Glock 20--10mm.
With the .40S&W and .357SIG barrels.
And the slide from a Glock21--.45ACP (and the mags to go with it).

:D

I can't just stick with one gun.... :cool:
Sonaj
27-09-2005, 19:44
A Luger (http://212.84.179.117/i/Luger.jpg) . Or the Desert Eagle .50 (http://www.machinegun.pl/sklep/images/tm_de50ae_chrome1.jpg) .
Unspeakable
27-09-2005, 20:06
:eek: TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!!!


Don't let my twinkinshness fool you. I'm proficient in taking slides up the shoot.
Zaxon
27-09-2005, 20:11
I'm worried about the lack of people choosing 45 caliber pistols. What do you think you will stop with those metric pistols? Paper targets?

By the way, I just added a Colt 1911A1 Officers pistol to my collection. I need to duck out of work early to go shoot it.

10mm outperforms .45ACP. 10mm performs in the low .41 mag range. 1200 fps out of the barrel--180gr bullet (as opposed to 825fps in the .45ACP--230gr bullet) and hits between 450 and 600ft lbs (as opposed to upper 300s for the .45ACP).

Don't get me wrong, I like the .45ACP, it's a nice soft shooter and a very reliable cartridge, but if I'm in a SHTF situation, I'll take the 10mm any day of the week. It's the most versatile autoloading cartridge out there, without having to add "super" or "magnum" to the title.

So, yeah, metric can, and does, beat the .45 at times. Now, I will say this--I don't own any 9mm. :D .357SIG is as small as I'll go.
Zaxon
27-09-2005, 20:13
What bothers me is the large amount of 9mm pistols in that list...not practical.
I would never use 9mm as CCW weapon unless it was a holdout piece. I demand at least .40 S&W and the majority of Law Enforcement 1-hit kills have been by .40 S&W

Doesn't that fall to the .357 mag, actually?
Zaxon
27-09-2005, 20:16
I'm torn between that and the stainless sig p-200 I kinda like the sig because it's heavier.

Why heavier? There is not a lot of recoil with the Glock in the first place, due to the polymer frame and low bore-axis of the barrel.

Now for looks, that I can understand. Sigs are purdy.
Zaxon
27-09-2005, 20:18
A Luger (http://212.84.179.117/i/Luger.jpg) . Or the Desert Eagle .50 (http://www.machinegun.pl/sklep/images/tm_de50ae_chrome1.jpg) .

Why those two?
Luporum
27-09-2005, 20:24
Colt .45 ACS

or the handgun the American officers used in WWI, I'm old fashioned like that :D
Sonaj
27-09-2005, 20:26
Why those two?
The Luger mostly because of the history of it (not really a gun enthusiast myself), and the Eagle because Vinnie Jones had one in Snatch :p
Zaxon
27-09-2005, 20:34
Colt .45 ACS

or the handgun the American officers used in WWI, I'm old fashioned like that :D

That would be the 1911 that people have been talking about. Adopted in 1911 and the main issue pistol for the US until 1984, when they downgraded to the Beretta (there is a reason that many units are going back to the .45ACP).

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't voluntarily stand in front of a 9mm, but hey, I'd rather have the .45 if I had to choose between the two.
The Helghan Empire
27-09-2005, 21:24
It's not real, but I'd get the .45 ACP Silverballer (from Hitman:Contracts, best game ever)
The real name is:
.45 AMT Hardballer (yet it looks nothing like the one on Hitman)
Ifreann
27-09-2005, 21:47
I like the USP,nice gun.
i know its not a pistol,but my god,its just so damned cool
FN p90 (http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/tw_p90.htm)
If only the barrel were bigger,id hump that gun
Sabbatis
27-09-2005, 22:57
Ruger Bisley .45 Long Colt loaded hot with heavy LBT WFN bullets, cast hard. That is just outside the .44 Magnum envelope with a heavier bullet, and the recoil is still manageable.

I haven't had much use for pistols, other than ease of carry. Rifles and shotguns do more of what I require.
Syniks
28-09-2005, 00:25
Ruger Bisley .45 Long Colt loaded hot with heavy LBT WFN bullets, cast hard. That is just outside the .44 Magnum envelope with a heavier bullet, and the recoil is still manageable.

I haven't had much use for pistols, other than ease of carry. Rifles and shotguns do more of what I require.
That's why I chose the ROA & the extra LC cylinder - though with hot 45Colts and LBTs you'd get some hellacious leading.

Normally when one considers the "one gun" scenerio the objective is to think of a gun that would be useful in the largest number of worst case scenerio situations. That's why I chose what I did and not my generally favored personal defense handgun: a 1911 "officers" lower mated to a "4.25" "Commander's" slide. Great gun for 85% of the worlds problems, but I can do more with the ROA.
Luporum
28-09-2005, 00:30
That would be the 1911 that people have been talking about. Adopted in 1911 and the main issue pistol for the US until 1984, when they downgraded to the Beretta (there is a reason that many units are going back to the .45ACP).

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't voluntarily stand in front of a 9mm, but hey, I'd rather have the .45 if I had to choose between the two.

It's what my grandpa likes to call a "manstopper". I never fired anything lower than .37 calibur though. Also fired a Mauser (Don't know the exact name but German WWII rifle) and I think I'm in love :fluffle:
Bolol
28-09-2005, 00:32
I'm a fan of the Mauser Military Pistol (http://www.araitoy.com/e-araitoy/m712.jpg) for it's notoriety and power.
Chellis
28-09-2005, 00:36
If I could have any pistol, it would be a Glock 20. If I had to comply with the law, yet still have an active use for it, I would use the Glock 29. If I wanted a gun for life, without too much use for it(No concealed carry, no dangerous job, etc), probably a Makarov, cheap to buy, cheap to fire, kills a robber just as dead as a .45.
Chellis
28-09-2005, 00:45
It's what my grandpa likes to call a "manstopper". I never fired anything lower than .37 calibur though. Also fired a Mauser (Don't know the exact name but German WWII rifle) and I think I'm in love :fluffle:

Karabiner 98k
Morvonia
28-09-2005, 00:48
p226 comes close but me loves the Sig Saur P228 9mm...my dad is a cop up here in canada...he uses one.
Gun toting civilians
28-09-2005, 00:50
Para Ordandence 14.45. 1911 frame with a double stack mag. I love it.
Otherwise I'd go for a HK USP in .40S&W.
The 1911A1 is one of the greatest weapon ever created.
Morvonia
28-09-2005, 03:17
The 1911A1 is one of the greatest weapon ever created.



very true.....GO P228!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Daistallia 2104
28-09-2005, 03:18
It's a hard choice, but I'll go with the Colt M-1911A1 as done up to "combat accuratized" standards by the RTE Shop at Quantico for the MEU(SOC)s. Partly because of the history and partly because it's just sweet.
Kecibukia
28-09-2005, 03:34
A WWII issue 1911A1 is going to be my baby (I'm saving up my pennies) but a 9mm Makarov will be my backup.
Monkeypimp
28-09-2005, 03:43
http://www.3d-palace.com/modules/gallery/albums/userpics/thumb_chicken%20launcher.jpg


It's a shit picture, but chicken launchers are the way to go.
Gauthier
28-09-2005, 04:39
Medusa Model 47 (http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Revolvers/Medusa_Model_47.htm)

Not so much a manstopper more than an accurate and versatile revolver. Able to use various ammunition in the 9mm, .357 and .38 caliber range. Great for zombie scenarios where you shouldn't count on finding the ideal bullets for your firearms.
Zexaland
28-09-2005, 07:15
I'm old school, Colt M1911. :) :p ;)
Pepe Dominguez
28-09-2005, 07:20
I'd have a .455 1915 Webley Mk6, for antique value.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/webley_mk6.jpg

Wasn't that the gun from the Maltese Falcon? :)

Hope I'm not the 37th person to notice.
Celestial Kingdom
28-09-2005, 08:27
Of the chosen list I would go for the H&K...for technological reasons, not patriotic...otherwise the desert eagle (look under Israeli military industry)

BTW: I also donĀ“t care for the sons of the second amendment :rolleyes:
Skyfork
28-09-2005, 08:33
Doesn't that fall to the .357 mag, actually?
Is .357Sig the new practical manstopper? Not too many people I know even use the round and I have not seen much battle data for it in comparison (my data may be old, so your milage may vary ;) ). I prefer .40 S&W in addition that it is also what my Ruger carbine is chambered for.

Though I forgot, maybe one of those snazzy custom pistols chambered for .224 BOZ would be good... :D

*edit doh you said .357 magnum. It's untrue, .357 isn't the number manstopper, in law enforcement it is .40 S&W, high muzzle velocity isn't everything. Federal Hydrashok hollowpoints have 99-100% weight retention upon deforming and will cause MASSIVE tissue trauma resulting in serious wounds but the round itself is lower in recoil meaning more shots can be fired off without climb to affect accuracy.
Klacktoveetasteen
28-09-2005, 10:17
This one:

http://www.gun-store.de/NeueSeiten/Mateba.html

The Mateba Model 6 Unica, a unique revolver that shares characteristics with an semi-auto weapon; the vented gasses work a slide on top that rotates the cylinder and recocks the hammer, thus placing it in single action mode. Plus- the barrel is aligned to the bottom of the cylinder instead of the top, thus reducing recoil. It comes in .357, .44, and .454 models (the last being and custom carbine design). Warning- this Italian revolver isn't cheap, but it is extremely well-crafted, and may be the most accurate and comfortable revolver design on the planet- expect to fork out between $700 - $1000 USD for it.
Jjimjja
28-09-2005, 10:55
voted other....

all i want is a water pistol.
Strathdonia
28-09-2005, 11:56
Because i'm odd i'd go for something in 9x23mm Win, generally only availble in the 1911 derived psitol but it would be awesome if you could get it in an HK Mk23 SOCOM derivative...

Now if was being insane i would go for a S&W .500 modified to fire .458SOCOM ammo...
Zaxon
28-09-2005, 12:01
It's what my grandpa likes to call a "manstopper". I never fired anything lower than .37 calibur though. Also fired a Mauser (Don't know the exact name but German WWII rifle) and I think I'm in love :fluffle:

You like the 8mm, eh? I've never had the chance to fire one yet.
Zaxon
28-09-2005, 12:08
Is .357Sig the new practical manstopper? Not too many people I know even use the round and I have not seen much battle data for it in comparison (my data may be old, so your milage may vary ;) ). I prefer .40 S&W in addition that it is also what my Ruger carbine is chambered for.

Though I forgot, maybe one of those snazzy custom pistols chambered for .224 BOZ would be good... :D

*edit doh you said .357 magnum. It's untrue, .357 isn't the number manstopper, in law enforcement it is .40 S&W, high muzzle velocity isn't everything. Federal Hydrashok hollowpoints have 99-100% weight retention upon deforming and will cause MASSIVE tissue trauma resulting in serious wounds but the round itself is lower in recoil meaning more shots can be fired off without climb to affect accuracy.

I don't know....it has something like an 93 to 97% one-shot stop rate. With a very large record behind it. I don't know if the .40 has the same record to pull from. http://www.chuckhawks.com/stopping_power_dialogue.htm

What is the .40S&W at? I just find it funny that they had to choke down the 10mm to the .40S&W for some of those that only qualified once a year. :)
Zaxon
28-09-2005, 12:09
voted other....

all i want is a water pistol.

Filled with 26 molar HCl. :)
Holy Krusaders
28-09-2005, 12:28
With the .40S&W

Ever try to shoot it 1 handed?
:eek::sniper:
Soviet Haaregrad
28-09-2005, 12:56
I'll take a P99, please.
Tyrell Technologies
28-09-2005, 13:02
http://www.un.org/events/peace_day99/swords.gif

I don't care about your second amendment.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares invariably end up under the mantle of domination of someone who kept their swords.

Heinlein I think? (Well, words to that effect, anyway)

For my part, I'm not giving up the capability to defend myself until someone proves there is no longer a need. Far more people are killed with knives in the US, or with "blunt intruments" or even with hands and feet. People just whine about guns because they're more efficient.

The answer isn't in nobody having a gun, but rather in everyone having one, and the proper training to use it.
Zaxon
28-09-2005, 13:12
Ever try to shoot it 1 handed?
:eek::sniper:

Yes, I regularly practice with my 10mm (the .40S&W's larger, older brother) with both my strong and weak hand (never know if one is ever going to be disabled). There's not a lot to it. Just takes a bit of getting used to, with the torque. The .40 and .45 are a lot lighter, and easier to use in the off-hand.

Just to get some perspective--I go through thousands of rounds a year at the range. I'm used to the recoil. It just takes practice and time.

A .44mag, in the weak hand...that has a little zip to it. At least for me it does.
Germania United
28-09-2005, 13:30
i'll take a Desert Eagle .50AE anyday. I mean really, look at the size of those bullets!

http://www.waffen-ingold.ch/images/leih_imide.jpg
Jeruselem
28-09-2005, 13:34
Only one I used in the list is the Browning.

Those S&W revolvers are nice too.
Zaxon
28-09-2005, 13:39
i'll take a Desert Eagle .50AE anyday. I mean really, look at the size of those bullets!

http://www.waffen-ingold.ch/images/leih_imide.jpg

They are rather massive--I'd just rather have 15 rounds of 10mm, vs. 7 rounds of 50AE. ;) I'd even rather have 13 rounds of .45ACP. Now, I might like a DE chambered in .44mag (you don't find too many .44mag revolvers that can hold 8 rounds--actually, I don't know of any).

But those .50AEs do look impressive.

Plus, my arms are a bit weak to be holding a four pound gun up for any length of time (like to aim). :D
Syniks
28-09-2005, 15:02
voted other....all i want is a water pistol.[QUOTE=Zaxon]Filled with 26 molar HCl. :)Actually...
I had buddies in EOD who let me know quite bluntly that if they ever saw me running around with a water pistol they would shoot me on sight. They knew me a bit too well...

Ever try to shoot it (a .40 S&W) 1 handed?

A .40, or even a 10mm is no big deal. Try shooting a 350gr bullet at 1700fps from a .454 Casull one handed. THAT is fun!
Zaxon
28-09-2005, 15:10
Actually...
I had buddies in EOD who let me know quite bluntly that if they ever saw me running around with a water pistol they would shoot me on sight. They knew me a bit too well...


HA! :D


A .40, or even a 10mm is no big deal. Try shooting a 350gr bullet at 1700fps from a .454 Casull one handed. THAT is fun!

There's something I've never tried--the 454. It'd be neat to try out, I'm sure. I'm also pretty sure that I wouldn't want to spend the money it'd take to get used to the recoil.... :)
Syniks
28-09-2005, 16:55
There's something I've never tried--the 454. It'd be neat to try out, I'm sure. I'm also pretty sure that I wouldn't want to spend the money it'd take to get used to the recoil.... :)
It's really not too bad if you understand how to handle it. I't too bad I had to sell mine before moving Midwest, otherwise I'd have you down here to try it.

Really, its a two-stage recoil. First, the gun pivots in your hand from bore-plane about 45 to 65 degrees. Then your elbow does the same, though it may go as far as 95 degrees or so. (note, this is with my 2200ftlb "Griz" loads. 31gr H110, 350grLBTWFN, compressed, double crimp)

Nice thing is, that position also makes it really easy to reach up with the thumb to set the hammer during the arm & revolver down-stroke, making aimed followups pretty quick. At my best from the draw, I could put all 5 rounds into a paper plate at 30 feet in just under six seconds. Which is about all the time and space you have when a Grizzly Bear takes exception to your presence. :eek:

edit: Oh, and the above recoil is why I laugh at people who put rubber grips on a 454. Have you ever seen someone with all the skin on their palm spun-off? I have. I warned the poor sot not to buy the Pachmyer grips... :eek:
Armorvia
28-09-2005, 16:57
Originally Posted by Fass
http://www.un.org/events/peace_day99/swords.gif

I don't care about your second amendment.

Good thing you are an irrelevant pipsqueak from an irrelevant pipsqueak country.
Unspeakable
28-09-2005, 18:01
Preferance, heavier pistol lest felt recoil. This can be achieved other ways also too but I've always liked a heavy pistol.

Why heavier? There is not a lot of recoil with the Glock in the first place, due to the polymer frame and low bore-axis of the barrel.

Now for looks, that I can understand. Sigs are purdy.
Fass
28-09-2005, 18:39
Good thing you are an irrelevant pipsqueak from an irrelevant pipsqueak country.

Likewise, rest assured.
Luporum
28-09-2005, 18:50
Good thing you are an irrelevant pipsqueak from an irrelevant pipsqueak country.

Woah...
Harlesburg
29-09-2005, 11:38
Luger baby!
Nothing better.