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Well now what ? You went out you protested and today the war in Iraq is over...well the United states is going home but the war ? is it over ? What did you expect to accomplish by protesting the war ? Now that the United States has picked up its toys and gone home what will happen ?

You should be happy right you stopped a war ? Umm ok you didnt stop a war but you did get the United States to go home thats a good thing right ?


I dont know ...you tell me is it ? What now ? What did you accomplish by protesting the war ?

Probably something like forcing the war-makers to explain themselves again.

That's why it's going to go on - if there was no one to keep them honest, who knows what'd happen next?

Well now what ? You went out you protested and today the war in Iraq is over...well the United states is going home but the war ? is it over ? What did you expect to accomplish by protesting the war ? Now that the United States has picked up its toys and gone home what will happen ?

You should be happy right you stopped a war ? Umm ok you didnt stop a war but you did get the United States to go home thats a good thing right ?


I dont know ...you tell me is it ? What now ? What did you accomplish by protesting the war ?


Well, what did you accomplish by posting this thread?

I'll admit it was no "Mission Accomplished" but that'd be setting the bar rather high wouldn't you say? ;)

I would be really, really happy if the US was pulling out of Iraq...

But I assume I would have heard about this, through my yahoo headlines or otherwise...

Well now what ? You went out you protested and today the war in Iraq is over...well the United states is going home but the war ? is it over ? What did you expect to accomplish by protesting the war ? Now that the United States has picked up its toys and gone home what will happen ?

You should be happy right you stopped a war ? Umm ok you didnt stop a war but you did get the United States to go home thats a good thing right ?


I dont know ...you tell me is it ? What now ? What did you accomplish by protesting the war ?

Sad thing in this is the Middle east was once a very enlightened part of the world, downside is they are essentially still in that century but with oil money... bah, no matter how ya slice it both sides are right.

With Iraq taking out Sodamn insaine was right, but it will not do any good. Iraq will likely end up under another dick-and-taters. Just how that part of the world seems to be happiest. hatred, murder, etc

Well, what did you accomplish by posting this thread?
I got you to spam it . There is that I suppose .

I still can't find when the US said it was pulling out of iraq.

I got you to spam it . There is that I suppose .

Nonsense. This isn't spam.

But maybe anti-war protestors want to accomplish having people like you get all annoyed at them and make ranty threads dedicated to them.

You know, this is just silly. Sure, there are fringe elements like Sheehan who would have every single trooper over there on a plane or a boat tomorrow if they had their way but, while that may sound tempting, the majority of people who no longer are in favor of this action understand we can't do that. What they are protesting for or at least starting to ask for, is justification and proof of intent. Withdrawl timetables that are adhered to at the very least. Supposedly those are being prepared even now, but we shall see.

Even if 100 million people demonstrated in Washington tomorrow, the troops wouldn't be home by Friday. It's not going to happen and most people know that, even if Sheehan doesn't.

Still, what she's doing is important because it focuses attention on the administration and the way they've conducted both themselves and this action. That may be the most valuable thing Sheehan accomplished, an increased desire to know why things went wrong, so badly, why we weren't better equipped to actually leave the country and exactly how truthful our leaders were in getting us to go there in the first place. If protesters like Sheehan accomplish that, then they'll have more than done their job.

Edit: And, of course, exposing the Democrats for the total pussies they are for allowing themselves to be bulldozed from the get-go in this affair. Checks and balances my ass.

Well, if the US did pull out of Iraq tomorrow, we'd see an Iran-leaning Shiite theocracy in control there by the end of the year.

If the US doesn't pull out of Iraq, we'll see an Iran-leaning Shiite theocracy in control there by the end of next year. And a lot more US troops will die.

It's the classic quagmire: There's no way to win and no clean way to exit. But some of us knew that before our fearless leader sent our troops there.

:rolleyes:

What most folks are failing to realize is simply, they WILL be better off, if we continue on our current course.

I know, it sounds like more american propaganda. Let me explain. As bad as Bush is, and yes it was stupid to blindly invade another country when they had NO proof, (or if they had proof they let the cat outta the bag to early and he got rid of it, whatever) But they did have someone who was a terrorist sympathizer. If you don't believe that, lets look at the evidence.

Since the first iraq war, we had MASSIVE sanctions on iraq. We had a no fly zone that was effectively, ALL of iraq. every time Saddam farted, we were looking into where the sound came from.

SO, if that doesn't make a dictator angry, I dunno what will. Could he war against us? Not only no, but hell no. He knew it. We already decimated his army once, it took 1 month to do it.
So instead, he setup terrorist camps. They can get in and get out, without his quote unquote, knowledge, while taking a bite out of the big US and make money, gaining weaponry and bedfellows that you'd need to fuel a terrorist agenda.

(BTW, thats common knowledge)

Now, that brings us today. the biggest difference is, we're looking long term, not showing the dictator whos boss, and spanking him to make him stay in line, instead, we're forcing a change that was a long time coming.

Which again sounds like more american propeganda...but its true. IF (and by the way thats a BIG if...) but if we can DO that, and that region CAN be a democracy, or a republic, where the people have a little bit of a say, maybe the iron grip of the holy men in that area will be loosened. No its not going to be fixed in our time, or maybe even our childrens, but maybe long term it will give these people a different perspective, and a different way of life.

and as much as I hear people whining about the losses of american lives, I have to say this. We have lost an average of 2k troops over there *gasp* I know its horrible isnt it?

however, our troops have killed over 25k insurgence. 25000 people fighting for a way of life thats the only one they have ever known.

I applaud the iraqies, and the insurgence, and I'm an american. Not because they are killing our boys, but because they have the gonads to fight for their country, and their way of life. while we have people like sheehan over here parking her big ass on our commander and chiefs lawn telling him what a bad man he is for sending her son over there.

I hate to tell her this, but her son didn't get drafted. He ENLISTED. that means he knew exactly what he was getting into. he asked for it, he asked for the government money, and the ultimate death.

for good or for bad, americans are over there not for their freedoms, but for someone elses freedoms.

That needs to be applauded, regardless of your political affiliation, or how you feel about the war. people ARE dying, and will until theres an outcome. good bad or indifferent, you have to support those people that are over there, and be saddened by the losses BOTH sides recieved, because people ARE losing thier fathers, sons, mothers and daughters. Everyone loses in war, the exception to that is when you lose more by not fighting.

You know, this is just silly. Sure, there are fringe elements like Sheehan who would have every single trooper over there on a plane or a boat tomorrow if they had their way but, while that may sound tempting, the majority of people who no longer are in favor of this action understand we can't do that. What they are protesting for or at least starting to ask for, is justification and proof of intent. Withdrawl timetables that are adhered to at the very least. Supposedly those are being prepared even now, but we shall see.

Even if 100 million people demonstrated in Washington tomorrow, the troops wouldn't be home by Friday. It's not going to happen and most people know that, even if Sheehan doesn't.

Still, what she's doing is important because it focuses attention on the administration and the way they've conducted both themselves and this action. That may be the most valuable thing Sheehan accomplished, an increased desire to know why things went wrong, so badly, why we weren't better equipped to actually leave the country and exactly how truthful our leaders were in getting us to go there in the first place. If protesters like Sheehan accomplish that, then they'll have more than done their job.

Edit: And, of course, exposing the Democrats for the total pussies they are for allowing themselves to be bulldozed from the get-go in this affair. Checks and balances my ass.

Look I see the peotesters and read about the protesters and read what the " protesters" post here on this forum . They are out demanding for an end to the war . Not when its over . They want it NOW . I had to wonder if they knew what the results would be if they succeeed . if they want what you say then why have a protest with speakers and signs ASKING for the immediate withdrawl of troops ? I think you are wrong by saying that even anything close to the majority of protesters want what you say . And by protesters I mean those that are out in the streets not all those who oppose the war .
There are sensible people with moral and logical reasons who oppose the war and want it to end as a success . They are not out in the street in numbers and are not the speakers and the leaders of the movement !
Its scary to think of what the world would be like if they could succeed .
There would not be PEACE you can rest assured on that.

Well now what ? You went out you protested and today the war in Iraq is over...well the United states is going home but the war ? is it over ? What did you expect to accomplish by protesting the war ? Now that the United States has picked up its toys and gone home what will happen ?

You should be happy right you stopped a war ? Umm ok you didnt stop a war but you did get the United States to go home thats a good thing right ?


I dont know ...you tell me is it ? What now ? What did you accomplish by protesting the war ?

I don't know... I was a fierce opponent of this war. I felt that more time should have been given to the UN to resolve the conflict. When the war started I was appalled by what happened at the Iraq National Museum. I was angry that no WMDs were found. I felt that the world had been lied to by the US government. Even the claim that the war was justified because an evil dictator was removed from power sounded hollow to me, as there are many dictators who have caused greater grief and suffering. I was shocked by Abu Graib and England. But I don't protest against the war no more. And you know why? Because I pray that the US forces will stay there and set things right. I hope the US will have the courage to rebuild Iraq, despite the body bags coming back. It's easy to protest, but what would you have accomplished when the US did back out of Iraq? Lot's of dead Americans, far too many dead Iraqis, and nothing to show for...

I don't want to insult anyone by this post, this just my two cents' opinion.

I don't know... I was a fierce opponent of this war. I felt that more time should have been given to the UN to resolve the conflict. When the war started I was appalled by what happened at the Iraq National Museum. I was angry that no WMDs were found. I felt that the world had been lied to by the US government. Even the claim that the war was justified because an evil dictator was removed from power sounded hollow to me, as there are many dictators who have caused greater grief and suffering. I was shocked by Abu Graib and England. But I don't protest against the war no more. And you know why? Because I pray that the US forces will stay there and set things right. I hope the US will have the courage to rebuild Iraq, despite the body bags coming back. It's easy to protest, but what would you have accomplished when the US did back out of Iraq? Lot's of dead Americans, far too many dead Iraqis, and nothing to show for...

I don't want to insult anyone by this post, this just my two cents' opinion.

Insult? Not by a long shot. I'd say you've encapsulated how I feel about the whole mess myself.

Look I see the peotesters and read about the protesters and read what the " protesters" post here on this forum . They are out demanding for an end to the war . Not when its over . They want it NOW . I had to wonder if they knew what the results would be if they succeeed . if they want what you say then why have a protest with speakers and signs ASKING for the immediate withdrawl of troops ? I think you are wrong by saying that even anything close to the majority of protesters want what you say . And by protesters I mean those that are out in the streets not all those who oppose the war .

Because, as everyone is so quick to point out, myself included, the people you are referring to represent the FRINGE of the anti-action movement. They're loud, they're vocal, they're the Fred Phelps of pacifism, their only real aim is to raise awareness by making a lot of noise and draw attention to the situation. They are the opening offer in the negotiation to get our country back.