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Who stole these, and what use do they intend to make of them?

Eutrusca
27-09-2005, 00:53
COMMENTARY: Coming at this particular point in time, this theft of US military personnel private information seems highly suspcious to me. Something very similar happened during the Vietnam War and the information was used to harrass the families of military personnel.

DISCLAIMER: No, I am not suggesting that any group in particular stole this information. All I am saying is that this type of thing was part of the pattern of ever-escalating protest seen during Vietnam.


Soldiers Have Army Records Stolen (http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,77680,00.html?ESRC=eb.nl)


Associated Press | September 26, 2005

DENVER - While fighting in Iraq, Army Sgt. Steven Behr suddenly found himself vulnerable at home.

Four computer hard drives containing soldiers' Social Security numbers and other personal records were stolen from Fort Carson - a crime that could expose Behr to identity theft.

Behr was one of 15,000 active duty soldiers notified this month of the theft, along with family members and civilians who work at the Army post in Colorado.

"They have my information for the last 11 years in the military," Behr told The Associated Press last week in Iraq. "With the way fraud is going in the U.S. these days, anybody could get my credit report, or something like that. I'm just trying to figure out how someone could steal four computers from a secure area. They're supposed to be locked up pretty tight."

Fort Carson spokeswoman Dee McNutt said there is no way to determine how many records were compromised. Everyone who could be a potential victim was being notified, McNutt said.

McNutt said there have been no reports that the records have been used to steal identities.

The heist is still under investigation by military authorities. The FBI said it has not been called in to assist; the military said it would not ask for help unless there was evidence a civilian was involved.

The hard drives were stolen in mid-August from a building on the post in Colorado Springs where soldiers get identification cards and update their personnel records, McNutt said. Records taken included soldiers' Social Security numbers, dates of birth, rank, unit, citizenship and jobs.

Behr said he and other members of the 3rd Armored Calvary Regiment fighting in Iraq were told to report any credit card or other unusual financial activity to military police.

Michelle Joyner, spokeswoman for the National Military Family Association, a nonprofit organization that helps military families, said soldiers are still at risk even though the military has made great strides helping them protect themselves from identity theft.

Joyner said the military no longer requires soldiers to put their personal information and Social Security numbers on checks and other documents. The military also offers financial training to recruits that includes information on ways to protect themselves from identity theft.

Soldiers who go on active duty can put an "active duty alert" on their credit reports, requiring creditors to verify an applicant's identity before granting credit.

Joyner said soldiers are just as vulnerable as civilians, but the theft of the computer hard drives was particularly troubling because the military keeps a lot more information about its personnel than does private industry.

Claudia Bourne-Farrell, spokeswoman for the Federal Trade Commission, which provides records of identity theft to 1,400 law enforcement agencies across the country, said soldiers do not get special treatment when it comes to such crimes.

Mary Lou Wild, district manager for the Consumer Credit Counseling Service in Colorado Springs, said soldiers are particularly vulnerable to identity theft because they are usually young, transient, inexperienced in financial matters and do not frequently check their credit histories.

Even so, Maxine McKay, manager of the Armed Forces Bank, a private bank on post, said many soldiers are proficient with computers and do monitor their accounts online from all over the world, even though they may not check their credit histories very often.

"They can watch every withdrawal their girlfriend makes," she said.
Teh_pantless_hero
27-09-2005, 01:29
Who stole these, and what use do they intend to make of them?
The same people that steal them from other places and use them for the same crap.

How to prevent this? Stop fucking around with personal data. The US has severely lacking protection requirements for personal information.

All I am saying is that this type of thing was part of the pattern of ever-escalating protest seen during Vietnam.
Not comparatively. This shit is going on all the time, why would soldiers be immune or why would it occuring to soldiers mean something different? You are obviously implying something even with this disclaimer.
Eutrusca
27-09-2005, 01:48
Not comparatively. This shit is going on all the time, why would soldiers be immune or why would it occuring to soldiers mean something different? You are obviously implying something even with this disclaimer.
I have a way of doing that. ;)
Nietzsche Heretics
27-09-2005, 01:51
you have a way of doing that with your posts in the other thread as well. :)
Eutrusca
27-09-2005, 01:59
you have a way of doing that with your posts in the other thread as well. :)
Uh ... no.
Lacadaemon
27-09-2005, 02:08
Since it seems to be a fairly easy thing for the chinese to steal nuclear secrets from Los Alamos, why would anyone imagine that army personal records would be protected?
Dobbsworld
27-09-2005, 02:11
Not everything in this world has to do with Vietnam, Eut.
Non Aligned States
27-09-2005, 02:13
And when it turns out that the soldiers effected are getting 100k+ credit card bills, will you somehow tie to the protestors Eut? ;)

Really now, it's most likely a case of a scammer or spam agent who got lucky or was good at doing identity theft. Like Pantless pointed out, this sort of thing happens all the time. It's not like being a soldier makes you immune to it. Although it would be vastly amusing to see if the current president had a case of identity theft and had a inflated credit card bill in his name while in office.
Rotovia-
27-09-2005, 02:34
Clearly it's protestors, because noone has ever stolen personal information for any other reason. Ever.
Teh_pantless_hero
27-09-2005, 02:42
And when it turns out that the soldiers effected are getting 100k+ credit card bills, will you somehow tie to the protestors Eut? ;)

This month's credit card bill..

1000 Permanent Markets
200 Poster Boards
200 2ft x 4inch wood sticks.
1 Bullhorn
600 buckets KFC

Holy shit, a protestor jacked my credit card and is using it to protest.
Stephistan
27-09-2005, 02:47
Yep. It's all a big conspiracy. All that the anti-war movement is thinking of is getting back to the good old days of screaming "baby killers" and spitting on soldiers. They are everywhere, they are well financed, and they will have their way.

In other news, Abby Hoffman didn't REALLY die. He just went underground. He's actually the ringleader of the gang operating out of the back of a Chineese Food restaurant in Seattle... or was that a tofu and latte place? I don't remember.


Ohhh shoot, I wasn't supposed to let that secret out yet.


Oh well.



Hey? Were'nt you all giddy with glee when that soldier went out of his way to spit on Jane Fonda? I'm sure of it in fact. MAde you whole day as I recall. Should I dredge up that thread?

Funny how you found that totally acceptable but yet scream out about each and every law abiding citizen exercising their rights of free speech who DOESN'T stoop to the very thing you keep claiming is going to happen, while you applauded the veteran who did.


And if what you fear does ever happen, how much of a part will people like you have played? You who have dedicated themselves to lowering the political discourse to insulting and attacking the people who you disagree with instead of actually addressing the issues they are discussing?

If, and I say it is a big if, but IF it ever does happen, any thought you might have that you have some sort of moral high ground on the sewer into which this issue has got dragged will be a tough case to make. At best you might find yourself being only the marginally higher standing rat in the same filthy sewer.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2005, 02:53
Wow, this is almost up there with 'Leftist Tactics.'

The time they did this with the Mastercard info must have been a dry run for thier real cause of getting their personal info so they can spit on them.

Yep, that's the simpliest explination. Not a stretch at all. No hysteria here...
Dishonorable Scum
27-09-2005, 03:00
So then, if a protester's credit card info was stolen, would that imply that Eutrusca did it?

:rolleyes:
Gauthier
27-09-2005, 03:20
Cindy Sheehan stole those information to help Osama bin Laden destroy America.
Rotovia-
27-09-2005, 03:21
I like the way there is a full two minutes between your double post...
Rotovia-
27-09-2005, 03:25
Cindy Sheehan stole those information to help Osama bin Laden destroy America.
I knew it...
Dishonorable Scum
27-09-2005, 03:29
I like the way there is a full two minutes between your double post...

Yep. Two full minutes of Internet Exploder sitting there twiddling its thumbs. :rolleyes:
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2005, 03:32
Something very similar happened during the Vietnam War and the information was used to harrass the families of military personnel.

DISCLAIMER: No, I am not suggesting that any group in particular stole this information. All I am saying is that this type of thing was part of the pattern of ever-escalating protest seen during Vietnam.

So does anyone have a link or know somewhere I can look this up, this 'similar thing that happened during Vietnam?'

Not to say that I don't trust the source, but...I don't know how to finish that sentence.....
Dishonorable Scum
27-09-2005, 03:35
Not to say that I don't trust the source, but...I don't know how to finish that sentence.....

"Trust, but verify" - Ronald Reagan

:p
Dobbsworld
27-09-2005, 03:43
What I find disturbing is the twisting of a common everyday incident of information theft into an implicit threat against soldiers that really dates back from some long-ago war in a different era. With different axes to grind.
Rotovia-
27-09-2005, 04:03
Yep. Two full minutes of Internet Exploder sitting there twiddling its thumbs. :rolleyes:
Use isp.rotovia.com the only ISP you can trust. Not really... my server's been down for two weeks straight... :D
Non Aligned States
27-09-2005, 04:24
Yep. Two full minutes of Internet Exploder sitting there twiddling its thumbs. :rolleyes:

Internet Exploder eh? Some new kind of terror weapon designed to destroy the web? :p