NationStates Jolt Archive

I don't get it either.
Perhaps the Politburo can explain it to us?


Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party : Domestic fascist networks and their effect on U.S. cold war politics (1991)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0896084183/002-4971759-9811223?v=glance

The Immaculate Deception: The Bush Crime Family Exposed (1992)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0922356807/002-4971759-9811223?v=glance

but this is old news



Ever hear of something called "Iran/Contra" ????
duh.



"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state
to supplant our democratic government and is working closely
with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of
opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of
our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . Certain
American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing
fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They
extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they
are helping to keep it there."-William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador
to Germany, 1937. See: Shadow of the Swastika


keeping all those "third" world dictators in power.
oops. 'accident'. sorry.


The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman%20/ThirdWorldFascism_ChomHer.html


Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion
http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/garywebb/garyWebbSpeaks.htm



So, sorry if my posts send the implication that I hate Bush,
I hate the b.s. that goes far beyond Bush.
Supporting fascism in the rest of the world in the name
of freedom, is just plain b.s. no matter which "captain" is manning
the helm of empire.
Oh, it goes well beyond anything like "republiscum or democrap" as well.

I think (if I'm getting this right) you just generally hate a beaureaucratic government hellbent on their own political and financial goals and that could careless about the people?

I agree (if that's the case) and you're right, it goes far beyond the current Bush. It goes down to the american people for accepting for so long. Only the people can change the government. We just need to do it before it is outlawed and we lose everything.

If it does than only the moderate christian right likes Bush, cause I think every other faction has been pssed off at him for some thing or another.

why do we need government?

if it does not serve the interests of the people that is/are its sole legitamacy,
it should be abolished.
along with the corporations that cannot exist without it.
and the wannabe oligarchs that really do run it.



so far, it seems the only thing that came from the elightenment period
is the general admission of the ruling class that the regular people
allow them to be in power, not any god.
'yes, yes. we have our lives in your hands. just don't harm us or take
away the earth we took from you. we'll admit you can do us great harm'.
but they constantly propagandize us to make us believe that their position
of control of politics and resources is natural and democratic.
once you start to see the lie in this, it's quite clear actually.

allowing them to hoard the great majority of the world's resources...,
we allow that to be, not any god, of any religious stripe.

peace, yo.

why do we need government?

if it does not serve the interests of the people that is/are its sole legitamacy,
it should be abolished.
along with the corporations that cannot exist without it.
and the wannabe oligarchs that really do run it.



so far, it seems the only thing that came from the elightenment period
is the general admission of the ruling class that the regular people
allow them to be in power, not any god.
'yes, yes. we have our lives in your hands. just don't harm us or take
away the earth we took from you. we'll admit you can do us great harm'.
but they constantly propagandize us to make us believe that their position
of control of politics and resources is natural and democratic.
once you start to see the lie in this, it's quite clear actually.

allowing them to hoard the great majority of the world's resources...,
we allow that to be, not any god, of any religious stripe.

peace, yo.
Are you insane? One must have corporations because they handle industry, research and development efficiently. One must have government as the people's whip to keep industry in line. Abolish either and you end up living in a fascist or communist mess. Abolish both and you end up living in a cave eating only what you can hunt and gather.

I freely admit I hate Bush.. not because it's the in-thing to do, but because of what he's done to the world in less then 5 years. I admit, I HATE BUSH!

But I don't hate America, cause she use to stand for some pretty kewl stuff.

Are you insane? One must have corporations because they handle industry, research and development efficiently. One must have government as the people's whip to keep industry in line. Abolish either and you end up living in a fascist or communist mess. Abolish both and you end up living in a cave eating only what you can hunt and gather.


then why don't we run our coporations democratically.
you know, just don't allow any corporations to be actually chartered, i.e. licensed, unless in its bylaws it is written that they must be democratic.
the workers vote for their bosses and ceos, and ceos don't get 500x the
average worker, as it is today. up from 70x in the 70s.

R&D, don't the corporations screw us over by colonizing our universities
and oursourcing R&D?
"Leasing the Ivory Tower: The Corporate Takeover of Academia"(1995)
http://www.zmag.org/ZNetBooks/soleybk.htm


If you look into history, you will find that
regulation of corporations is actually what they wanted.
They did not want their authority challenged.
In reality we the people are sovereign over corporations.
Just read the law. Somewhere in these articles
is one about corporations wanting the regulations.
http://www.poclad.org/bywhatauthority.cfm


Abolishing corporations does NOT equal communism or marxism.
Those that push corporate ideology 'that corporations = business"
might have you believe that. Corporations does not equal business.
It is only one way to do business, and a very privaleged way.

Living in caves?
I thought we established the fact that we do live in caves because
we believe in war?

I don't "hate" Bush. I certainly disagree with his choices and potentially think he may be guilty of some criminal actions, but I don't hate him.

Also, I don't hate the United States cause it's my home and, despite the recent tarnish, I happen to think we're a pretty damn good nation, all things considered.

It is amazing to me, though, how quickly, in a country born in dissent, that same dissent has been turned into a mark of shame. That worries me greatly. And I do blame Bush and Co. for it.

then why don't we run our coporations democratically.
you know, just don't allow any corporations to be actually chartered, i.e. licensed, unless in its bylaws it is written that they must be democratic.
the workers vote for their bosses and ceos, and ceos don't get 500x the
average worker, as it is today. up from 70x in the 70s.

R&D, don't the corporations screw us over by colonizing our universities
and oursourcing R&D?
"Leasing the Ivory Tower: The Corporate Takeover of Academia"(1995)
http://www.zmag.org/ZNetBooks/soleybk.htm


If you look into history, you will find that
regulation of corporations is actually what they wanted.
They did not want their authority challenged.
In reality we the people are sovereign over corporations.
Just read the law. Somewhere in these articles
is one about corporations wanting the regulations.
http://www.poclad.org/bywhatauthority.cfm


Abolishing corporations does NOT equal communism or marxism.
Those that push corporate ideology 'that corporations = business"
might have you believe that. Corporations does not equal business.
It is only one way to do business, and a very privaleged way.

Living in caves?
I thought we established the fact that we do live in caves because
we believe in war?
There's no need to run corporations democratically other than giving the stockholders the chance to vote on who will be on the board of directors. Government just has to free itself from corporate control enough to impose regulation on corporations.

There's no need to run corporations democratically other than giving the stockholders the chance to vote on who will be on the board of directors. Government just has to free itself from corporate control enough to impose regulation on corporations.


Even so, I encourage you to read up on corporate history (in the US)
at the POCLAD link above.



and it'll be hard to rip gov't out from under corporate rule
when they own 95%+ of all forms of media

I don't "hate" Bush. I certainly disagree with his choices and potentially think he may be guilty of some criminal actions, but I don't hate him.

Also, I don't hate the United States cause it's my home and, despite the recent tarnish, I happen to think we're a pretty damn good nation, all things considered.

Agreed.

It is amazing to me, though, how quickly, in a country born in dissent, that same dissent has been turned into a mark of shame. That worries me greatly. And I do blame Bush and Co. for it.

I blame every American who treats third-parties and protesters as if they must be wrong simply because they aren't mainstream.

I blame every American who treats third-parties and protesters as if they must be wrong simply because they aren't mainstream.

Okay, yah, well, I blame them, too. Trust me, I gots enough blame for everyone to get a big bite! :D

Are you insane? One must have corporations because they handle industry, research and development efficiently. One must have government as the people's whip to keep industry in line. Abolish either and you end up living in a fascist or communist mess. Abolish both and you end up living in a cave eating only what you can hunt and gather.
Perhaps I haven't been paying attention, but I don't really get the impression that many governments are trying too hard to reign in the more baroque and ideologically unsound* excesses of corporate entities at the moment. The last President you had in the 'States who made any real effort in that direction was Carter, and look what you did to that poor bastard.

*(Child labour, sweatshops exploiting third world types who'll work fifty hours a week for five quid, not merely ignoring, but flaunting the fact that they're ignoring, environmental guidelines, like that.)

Perhaps I haven't been paying attention, but I don't really get the impression that many governments are trying too hard to reign in the more baroque and ideologically unsound* excesses of corporate entities at the moment. The last President you had in the 'States who made any real effort in that direction was Carter, and look what you did to that poor bastard.

*(Child labour, sweatshops exploiting third world types who'll work fifty hours a week for five quid, not merely ignoring, but flaunting the fact that they're ignoring, environmental guidelines, like that.)
Total agreement here. Total agreement with all the posts except the ones about corporations being necessary. I usually agree with your posts whole-heartedly, Drunk Commies, but you're just wrong on this one. Sorry.