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Scientology

Balipo
26-09-2005, 16:15
How many of us condemn Scientology without really knowing much about it?

I've researched this a bit (having lived in the Clearwater, FL area for a couple years before returning north) and they have interesting ideas, though they are still (in my book) a bunch of nuts.

Just wondering if anyone else has really looked into it before condemning it.
Sierra BTHP
26-09-2005, 16:22
Yes, I have researched them thoroughly. Yes, I condemn them. Unequivocally.
Eutrusca
26-09-2005, 16:24
How many of us condemn Scientology without really knowing much about it?

I've researched this a bit (having lived in the Clearwater, FL area for a couple years before returning north) and they have interesting ideas, though they are still (in my book) a bunch of nuts.

Just wondering if anyone else has really looked into it before condemning it.
After I read an article about Scientologists trying to intimidate a former member who was going to reveal the organization's "secrets," I read up on it quite extensively. Scary people. :eek:
Smunkeeville
26-09-2005, 16:27
I think maybe I should do better research. Most of my research into other religions relies on apologetics. I realized not very long ago how biased that can be. (I read someones summary of my denomination and it was WAY off)
There are a few "cults" that I know someone who is either in it now or has "escaped" so I feel that my knowledge of them are not too biased, people tend to stick with scientology though so I don't know anyone personally that I can talk to.

*note to self meet Tom Cruise...... :p
Sierra BTHP
26-09-2005, 16:29
I didn't need to talk to any anti-Scientologists.

For a brief period, my mother-in-law of my first wife started getting into it.

One of the first things they told her - in writing - was to stop having contact with any family members who were not Scientologists. No phone, no mail, no nothing.

I read this document myself. I found it appalling that any "religious" organization would propose that its members do any such thing.
Orangians
26-09-2005, 16:29
I have some acquaintances who joined the Church of Scientology, which provoked me to do some research. Don't you find it suspicious that you have to pay out the nose to take the classes and that your ability to move between levels is contingent on these classes? I mean, come on. Also, Hubbard has been widely rumored to have said that the best way to make money is to start a religion. I just can't take Scientology seriously and I wouldn't give any credit to its "ideas," if you can call them that. The "religion" gets weirder and weirder the more you advance through the levels, too. I recall something about alien life-force essences populating the Earth millions or billions of years ago.
Sierra BTHP
26-09-2005, 16:32
I have some acquaintances who joined the Church of Scientology, which provoked me to do some research. Don't you find it suspicious that you have to pay out the nose to take the classes and that your ability to move between levels is contingent on these classes? I mean, come on. Also, Hubbard has been widely rumored to have said that the best way to make money is to start a religion. I just can't take Scientology seriously and I wouldn't give any credit to its "ideas," if you can call them that. The "religion" gets weirder and weirder the more you advance through the levels, too. I recall something about alien life-force essences populating the Earth millions or billions of years ago.

The comment by Hubbard is not a rumor. Before he wrote Dianetics, he and L. Sprague de Camp and other SF writers were at a barbecue when Hubbard said it. Multiple witnesses to the same event, who maintain it to this day.

You can make up anything you like - that's fine with me. You can even fleece people of their money. Still fine. But when you try to kill people for leaving, or sue former members for talking about what they experienced, or sue people for reproducing your "holy" documents (under copyright laws!), and tell new members that the first thing they must do is cut off all contact with their non-Scientologist family forever - that's a cult, not a religion.

I would condemn any cult, any day.
Eutrusca
26-09-2005, 16:34
I have some acquaintances who joined the Church of Scientology, which provoked me to do some research. Don't you find it suspicious that you have to pay out the nose to take the classes and that your ability to move between levels is contingent on these classes? I mean, come on. Also, Hubbard has been widely rumored to have said that the best way to make money is to start a religion. I just can't take Scientology seriously and I wouldn't give any credit to its "ideas," if you can call them that. The "religion" gets weirder and weirder the more you advance through the levels, too. I recall something about alien life-force essences populating the Earth millions or billions of years ago.
Oh, it gets LOTS worse than that! In the final upper levels of Scientology, you pay a fortune ( almost literally ) to learn that all of our problems are caused by "body Thetans," which are aliens who have taken up residence in our bodies. :rolleyes: :headbang:
The Black Forrest
26-09-2005, 16:34
Well I have seen the poster boy Tom Cruise talk about it.

They have technology that cures Dyslexia and they have researched and have learned that vitamins will cure post-pardem depression and other mind issuests. There is no such thing as depression and that the whole anti-depression drug thing is a fraud commited by Psychologists and the drug industry.
Dark-dragon
26-09-2005, 16:35
found a great refernce to that particular ''religion'' in newgrounds.com it tells most of what it is based on as well as that aliens being on earth thing...
Sierra BTHP
26-09-2005, 16:36
Well I have seen the poster boy Tom Cruise talk about it.

They have technology that cures Dyslexia and they have researched and have learned that vitamins will cure post-pardem depression and other mind issuests. There is no such thing as depression and that the whole anti-depression drug thing is a fraud commited by Psychologists and the drug industry.

Saw Tom Cruise lose it on TV talking about Prozac and depression. I think he needs some Xanax, personally.

Tom wouldn't last five minutes trying to post his views here on NS General.
Balipo
26-09-2005, 16:36
I think maybe I should do better research. Most of my research into other religions relies on apologetics. I realized not very long ago how biased that can be. (I read someones summary of my denomination and it was WAY off)
There are a few "cults" that I know someone who is either in it now or has "escaped" so I feel that my knowledge of them are not too biased, people tend to stick with scientology though so I don't know anyone personally that I can talk to.

*note to self meet Tom Cruise...... :p

Just don't squirt him in the face with water (one of the funniest videos (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=15047) I have ever watched...

After I read an article about Scientologists trying to intimidate a former member who was going to reveal the organization's "secrets," I read up on it quite extensively. Scary people.

Yes, I have researched them thoroughly. Yes, I condemn them. Unequivocally.

I agree with both of you, I'm just glad you did the research as I did first. I think condemning anything you don't know about first is merely prejudiced. But they are wack jobs those people.

When I lived in FL, I had to pick up a car at the shop. Around noon as I was driving through downtown I looked around and realized everyone had a blue shirt on. Weird. Then they started trying to flyer me. I refused to take one. They actually started thrwoing them through the sun roof insisting that I "needed help in order to save myself from the evils of the world".

Sounds like the Christian Rhetoric too, but I digress. Needless to say, I planned car maintenance to not have pick-ups around noon after that.
Syniks
26-09-2005, 16:41
2 reasons to totally flame Scientology:

John Travolta
Tom Cruise

Do you need any more reason than that?

http://xenu.net/


HUBBARD IN HIS OWN WORDS

“Scientology is used to increase spiritual freedom, intelligence, ability and to produce immortality.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, DIANETICS AND SCIENTOLOGY TECHNICAL DICTIONARY, copyright 1975, reprinted 1987, p. 370

“Show me any person who is critical of us and I’ll show you crimes and intended crimes that would stand a magistrate’s hair on end.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, 4 April 1965

“Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’ By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 4 January 1966, “LRH Relationship to Orgs”

“If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 15 August 1960, Dept. of Govt. Affairs

“The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, A MANUAL ON THE DISSEMINATION OF MATERIAL, 1955

“When we need somebody haunted we investigate…When we investigate we do so noisily always.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, MANUAL OF JUSTICE, 1959

“People attack Scientology, I never forget it, always even the score. People attack auditors, or staff, or organisations, or me. I never forget until the slate is clear.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, MANUAL OF JUSTICE, 1959

“So we listen. We add up associations of people with people. When a push against Scientology starts somewhere, we go over the people involved and weed them out. Push vanishes.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, MANUAL OF JUSTICE, 1959

“Our organizations are friendly. They are only here to help you.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, “Dianetic Contract” 23 May 1969

“ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 18 October 1967 [SP = Suppressive Person a.k.a. critic of Scientology]

“The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease. FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations.
This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 21 October 1968, “Cancellation of Fair Game”

“A truly Suppressive Person or group has no rights of any kind and actions taken against them are not punishable.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 1 March 1965, HCO (Division 1) “Ethics, Suppressive Acts, Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists”

“The names and connections, at this time, of the bitterly opposing enemy are: 1. Psychiatry and psychology (not medicine). 2. The heads of news media who are also directors of psychiatric front groups. 3. A few key political figures in the fields of “mental health” and education. 4. A decline of monetary stability caused by the current planning of bankers who are also directors of psychiatric front organizations [that] would make us unable to function.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 16 February 1969, “TARGETS, DEFENSE”

“When you move off a point of power, pay all your obligations on the nail, empower all your friends completely and move off with your pockets full of artillery, potential blackmail on every erstwhile rival, unlimited funds in your private account and the addresses of experienced assassins and go live in Bulgravia [sic] and bribe the police.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 12 February 1967, “The Responsibilities of Leaders”

“There is no more ethical group on this planet than ourselves.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING. 7 February 1965, reissued 27 August 1980

“They smell of all the baths they didn’t take. The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here.”
- L. Ron Hubbard’s diary, 1928. (Jon Atack, A PIECE OF BLUE SKY: SCIENTOLOGY, DIANETICS AND L. RON HUBBARD EXPOSED. Lyle Stuart/Carol Publishing Group 1990)

“Having viewed slum clearance projects in most major cities of the world may I state that you have conceived and created in the Johannesburg townships what is probably the most impressive and adequate resettlement activity in existence.”
- L. Ron Hubbard in a letter to H.F. Verwoerd (widely considered to be the architect of South Africa’s apartheid system) dated November 7, 1960, reprinted in K.T.C. Kotzé, INQUIRY INTO THE EFFECTS AND PRACTICES OF SCIENTOLOGY, p. 59, Pretoria 1973

“In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, 1989 Ed., p. 145 [The “Tone Scale” is Scientology’s measure of mental and spiritual health.]

“There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

“The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

“A Venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 171

“Unfortunately, it is all too often true that suppressors to a creative action must be removed before construction and creation takes place. Any person very high on the Tone Scale may level destruction toward a suppressor.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 159

“In all the broad Universe there is no other hope for Man than ourselves.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, “Ron's Journal” 1967

“A psychiatrist today has the power to (1) take a fancy to a woman (2) lead her to take wild treatment as a joke (3) drug and shock her to temporary insanity (4) incarnate [sic] her (5) use her sexually (6) sterilise her to prevent conception (7) kill her by a brain operation to prevent disclosure. And all with no fear of reprisal. Yet it is rape and murder… We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one… This is Project Psychiatry. We will remove them.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Sec ED, Office of LRH, Confidential, 22 February 1966, “Project Psychiatry”

“I’m drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys.”
- L. Ron Hubbard in a 1967 letter to his wife, written during the period when he was creating Scientology’s secret “upper levels.” (Bent Corydon and L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. a.k.a. Ronald DeWolf, L. RON HUBBARD: MESSIAH OR MADMAN? Random House 1989)

“Now, get this as a technical fact, not a hopeful idea. Every time we have investigated the background of a critic of Scientology, we have found crimes for which that person or group could be imprisoned under existing law. We do not find critics of Scientology who do not have criminal pasts.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, 5 November 1967, “Critics of Scientology”

“This is the correct procedure: Spot who is attacking us. Start investigating them promptly for felonies or worse using our own professionals, not outside agencies. Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them. Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press. Don’t ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 25 February 1966


“We're playing for blood, the stake is EARTH.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 7 November 1962

“THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, “Off the Time Track,” lecture of June 1952, excerpted in JOURNAL OF SCIENTOLOGY issue 18-G, reprinted in TECHNICAL VOLUMES OF DIANETICS & SCIENTOLOGY, vol. 1, p. 418

“Scientology...is not a religion.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, CREATION OF HUMAN ABILITY, 1954, p. 251

“This [Scientology] is useful knowledge. With it the blind again see, the lame walk, the ill recover, the insane become sane and the sane become saner. By its use the thousand abilities Man has sought to recover become his once more.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENTOLOGY: A HISTORY OF MAN, 1952

“Benzedrine often helps a case run.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, “The Intensive Processing Procedure,” 1950
[“Run a case” = administer Dianetics or Scientology procedures to someone]

“Of all the ills of man which can be successfully processed by Scientology, arthritis ranks near the top. In skilled hands, this ailment, though misunderstood and dreaded in the past, already has begun to become history. Twenty-five hours of Scientology by an auditor who fairly understands how to process arthritis can be said to produce an invariable alleviation of the condition. Some cases, even severe ones, have responded in as little as two hours of processing, according to reports from auditors in the field.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, “Journal of Scientology,” Issue 1-G, 1952

“Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been reported to be an engram containing the phrase ‘It turns my blood to water.’”
- L. Ron Hubbard, “Journal of Scientology,” Issue 15-G, 1953

“When somebody enrols, consider he or she has joined up for the duration of the universe - never permit an ‘open-minded’ approach... If they enrolled, they’re aboard, and if they’re aboard they’re here on the same terms as the rest of us - win or die in the attempt. Never let them be half minded about being Scientologists... When Mrs. Pattycake comes to us to be taught, turn that wandering doubt in her eye into a fixed, dedicated glare… The proper instruction attitude is, ‘We'd rather have you dead than incapable.’”
- L. Ron Hubbard, KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING, 7 February 1965, reissued 27 August 1980

“Advanced Courses [in Scientology] are the most valuable service on the planet. Life insurance, houses, cars, stocks, bonds, college savings, all are transitory and impermanent... There is nothing to compare with Advanced Courses. They are infinitely valuable and transcend time itself.”
- L. Ron Hubbard speaking of his Operating Thetan Courses, Flag Mission Order 375

“’Psychiatry’ and ‘psychiatrist’ are easily redefined to mean ‘an anti-social enemy of the people‘. This takes the kill crazy psychiatrist off the preferred list of professions...The redefinition of words is done by associating different emotions and symbols with the word than were intended...Scientologists are redefining ‘doctor‘, ‘Psychiatry’ and ‘psychology’ to mean ‘undesirable antisocial elements‘...The way to redefine a word is to get the new definition repeated as often as possible. Thus it is necessary to redefine medicine, psychiatry and psychology downward and define Dianetics and Scientology upwards. This, so far as words are concerned, is the public opinion battle for belief in your definitions, and not those of the opposition. A consistent, repeated effort is the key to any success with this technique of propaganda.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 5 October 1971, PR Series 12, “Propaganda by Redefinition of Words”

“Arthritis vanishes, myopia gets better, heart illness decreases, asthma disappears, stomachs function properly and the whole catalogue of illnesses goes away and stays away.”
L. Ron Hubbard, DIANETICS: THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH, 1987 Ed., p. 72

“Scientology is the only specific (cure) for radiation (atomic bomb) burns.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, ALL ABOUT RADIATION, p. 109

“You are only three or four hours from taking your glasses off for keeps.”
- L. Ron Hubbard, “Eyesight and glasses,“ “Dianetic Auditor’s Bulletin,” Vol. 2, No. 7, January 1952

“The alleviation of the condition of insanity has also been accomplished now…”
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, November 1970, “Psychosis”

“Let’s sell these people a piece of blue sky.”
- L. Ron Hubbard to an associate in 1950, soon after the opening of the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation. (Jon Atack, A PIECE OF BLUE SKY: SCIENTOLOGY, DIANETICS AND L. RON HUBBARD EXPOSED, Lyle Stuart/Carol Publishing Group. 1990)

“I’d like to start a religion. That’s where the money is.”
- L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983

RECOMMENDED WEBSITES:
The official Church of Scientology website:
www.scientology.org

Websites for the Freezone, practicing Scientology outside the CoS:
www.fzaoint.net
www.fza.org
www.freezone.org

Alternate views:
www.xenu.net
www.factnet.org
www.scientologywatch.org
www.suppressiveperson.org/
www.spaink.net
www.snafu.de/~tilman/
www.narconon-exposed.org
www.studytech.org
www.modemac.com
www.truthaboutscientology.com
www.scientology-lies.com
www.lermanet.com
www.freedomofmind.com
www.altreligionscientology.org
www.xenutv.com

All quotations of copyrighted material herein fall within Fair Use guidelines.

Note: The Scientology organization is commonly referred to as the Church of Scientology. The reader should be aware that, in reality, global Scientology is a complex international legal structure of multiple corporations, some of which are nonprofit and some of which are not.

The terms "Scientology" and "Dianetics" are trademarks and service marks owned by Religious Technology Center (RTC), Los Angeles, California, USA. For a detailed explanation of Scientology's copyrights, trademarks, and other legal issues involving the names and symbols used by the organizations collectively known as "Scientology" and "Dianetics," see the Trademark Section of the Official Scientology Web Site.

Oops... looks like my E-Meter is running low on Quarters again... :rolleyes:
Laerod
26-09-2005, 16:50
Anyone heard of Narconon, their addict treatment center? The process was based totally on volontary participation with praise being given if something was done right. The parents got to pay for it all along.
Daistallia 2104
26-09-2005, 16:58
I started looking into it when the guy leading/"teaching" my old improv acting group started talking about it more and more in class. And I was severly pissed when I found out he was passing off Co$ ideas as the ideas of Keith Johnstone and other big name improv teachers. When I started questioning him about it, he denied it all. When I pointed him to the Co$ websites that showed what he had been teaching, he decided that I was causing trouble and that my "bad influance" was the reason he had trouble retaining students and relating to females in general. When I recieved an e-mail he'd sent out to other members of the group badmouthing me and blaming me for the above (but sent to me as well, by accident), I confronted him. He decided he needed to "disconect" with me because I was a PTS (potential trouble source, a bit of Co$ jargon meaning that he needed to cut off contact with me because I was in his way.)

2 reasons to totally flame Scientology:

John Travolta
Tom Cruise

Do you need any more reason than that?

http://xenu.net/


Note that (at least as far as the above was concerened) the Co$ tells it's members not to read sites like that because they are dangerous. And what was the first site listed by xwnu.net? Yep, the Co$'s very own home page. Who do you trust? Someone who says "don't read anything oppossing us" or someone who says please compare our ideas....
Ruloah
26-09-2005, 16:59
Once I lived next door to a Scientologist family.

Fairly certain the brother and sister were doing weird things together, they were always naked when they answered the door... :eek: :confused:

must have been overpowered by those nasty body thetans! :(
Letila
26-09-2005, 17:07
They're bullies. I hear they sue their critics into bankrupsy, a low tactic if there ever was one. They also base their religion on the work of a SF writer, which strikes me as rather foolhardy.
Leetonia
26-09-2005, 17:08
They're bullies. I hear they sue their critics into bankrupsy, a low tactic if there ever was one. They also base their religion on the work of a SF writer, which strikes me as rather foolhardy.
A lousy SF writer at that.
Ashmoria
26-09-2005, 17:31
why blindly condemn them when reading about their beliefs and tactics is so entertaining?
Cahnt
26-09-2005, 17:44
Cruise is a long way from being the worst advert for $cientology: there's Charles Manson, The Process and the Four P Movement as well.

It's worth reading Bare Faced Messiah (or A Piece Of The Blue Sky, however both books are out of print, apparently due to nuisance lawsuits from the Cof$ making it more trouble than it was worth to the publishers to keep them in print.
Mt-Tau
26-09-2005, 18:03
I do not know much about scientology. I do know that any group who sues and threatens thier critics is not one to be trusted, let alone followed. This is why I condemn it.
Dark-dragon
27-09-2005, 07:35
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/263120

just click watch movie an it should give you the lowdown on that ''religion''
Avast ye matey
27-09-2005, 07:44
I'm surprised nobody's brought up the Cult Awareness Network (CAN). This was an organisation back in the 90s that ran an advice line and website for people who's lives had been ruined by cults and people who had friends or relatives in cults. Scientology just happened to be one of the faiths that they considered a cult. Scientology objected. Scientology launched multiple lawsuits against CAN in a deliberate attempt to bankrupt the organisation. Scientology rocked up to the bankruptcy option and bought the rights to the "Cult Awareness Network" brand name. Scientology then relaunched it's _own_ support line and website under that name, referring people who were concerned about relatives in cults to various resources and support groups that are ran by Scientology and encourage people to join.
Syniks
27-09-2005, 14:43
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/263120

just click watch movie an it should give you the lowdown on that ''religion''

OK, I'm only going to do this once, since it is so totally out of character... and yet...

OMFG! HFSSBM! ROTFLMAO! :p

I wish I could download that and keep it on my PDA for show and tell! :D

(Oh, and the CAN connection is described quite thouroughly on Xenu.net)
Jeruselem
27-09-2005, 15:03
They should be all put in a dodgy space craft and directed into the path of Venus for fun. If they miss, Venus - next stop Mercury.
Chocolate cakeland
27-09-2005, 15:29
Yeah I spent hours researching them. They are a scary cult style group, almost like the ss. The more I dug, the scarier it got. They suck money out of people and their religion is based on some Xenu guy, and an overthrow of his evil regime, transporting these alien bodies frozen...laying them around active volcanoes that blew them into human bodies???? c'mon now...I know that hallucagens were popular back then but Wow :rolleyes:
Balipo
27-09-2005, 15:33
why blindly condemn them when reading about their beliefs and tactics is so entertaining?

I agree to a point. After visiting their explaination (http://www.scientology.org/en_US/religion/index.html) of scientology, I nearly wet myself laughing.

The pics of L.Ron make it funny too. :D