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Been away from NS for awhile, but I am at work and bored so I decided to re-create an account here:


Anyway: What would be more likely to destory the world in the next century:

Communism
Capitalism
Facism
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Which will cause the the world to be destroyed and why?

None of those - it would be shamefully arrogant to presume the human status quo tantamount to "the world".

What no one cares? FINE, JUST FOR THIS I SHALL WRITE IN CAPS! ........ wait bad idea..............

Personally if I were to pick one it would be fascism, because of its highly destructive, militaristic nature. However, I would rather have that happen than a global communism.

None of those - it would be shamefully arrogant to presume the human status quo tantamount to "the world".

So your saying the humans aren't going to destory the world? then who? the bears or mullusks!...... be an awesome invasion though...

Facism and Communism are actually quite similar. But my favorite world destroying scenarious can be found at:
www.exitmundi.nl

The world will most certainly be destroyed by bad puns.

The world will most certainly be destroyed by bad puns.

Indeed or by giant men in armour demanding shrubberys for not apparent reason.....

So your saying the humans aren't going to destory the world? then who? the bears or mullusks!...... be an awesome invasion though...

I don't envision any of those physically "destorying" the world.

I'm just waiting for someone to come in and support facism...

I believe ... none of the above. Capitalism's perversion consumerism perhaps, or just humanity in general. Or just nature itself.

I believe ... none of the above. Capitalism's perversion consumerism perhaps, or just humanity in general. Or just nature itself.

Now I understand some people ideals.... We must destroy nature before it has a chance to destroy us!

None of them. Communism and fascism are more or less dead, capitalism works quite well if we don't let it get out of control, and killing myself will just reduce the world's consumption of resources so that's not going to do it. Personally, I think we're going to be wiped out by some kind of disease like in The Stand.

Well, there is currently far more capitalism in the world than communism or fascism, so capitalism is the most likely to affect the entire world, for good or ill.

However, any of the three will eventually self-destruct. Capitalism and communism both incorporate the fallacy that resources are unlimited (they differ mainly in how they mandate that wealth should be distributed), while fascism is based on the fallacy that humans can be controlled like machines. Therefore, all of them are unsustainable.

:p

Now I understand some people ideals.... We must destroy nature before it has a chance to destroy us!
:rolleyes: I'm talking about the sun which will eventually become a red giant and evaporate the earth's oceans, eliminating humanity...

I believe ... none of the above. Capitalism's perversion consumerism perhaps, or just humanity in general. Or just nature itself.

Capitalism is the only system listed that is mostly self-regulating in nature. Furthermore, it coincides with human nature rather than trying to ask us to transcend our humanity. So, really, Capitalism is the least corrupting.

Capitalism is the only system listed that is mostly self-regulating in nature. Furthermore, it coincides with human nature rather than trying to ask us to transcend our humanity. So, really, Capitalism is the least corrupting.
I know. However, its perversion consumerism, which is really nothing like capitalism at all, might destroy the ozone layer by using carbon dioxide and cutting down trees etc., ultimately causing the end of life on Earth.

:rolleyes: I'm talking about the sun which will eventually become a red giant and evaporate the earth's oceans, eliminating humanity...

So............. We should destroy the sun to ensure our survivial? makes sense to me! How many nukes would it take?..... at least 5......

So............. We should destroy the sun to ensure our survivial? makes sense to me! How many nukes would it take?..... at least 5......
No, no, no. We should colonize other planets, so that in three billion years when Earth is destroyed humanity will still be alive somewhere else. :rolleyes: Really! [/post 5000]

No, no, no. We should colonize other planets, so that in three billion years when Earth is destroyed humanity will still be alive somewhere else. :rolleyes: Really! [/post 5000]

wow 5000 posts thats really good, I remember when you had less than ten..... oh well.... So colonize other planets? and destroy them? I like your style.


oh and its good to see your still not claming that your god..

wow 5000 posts thats really good, I remember when you had less than ten..... oh well.... So colonize other planets? and destroy them? I like your style. Yeah. When you destroy a planet, move to another one. And so on.


oh and its good to see your still not claming that your god..
I stopped because no-one believed me, even when I demonstrated my powers for them. Oh well... :(

Yeah. When you destroy a planet, move to another one. And so on.



I stopped because no-one believed me, even when I demonstrated my powers for them. Oh well... :(

Oh and how did you demonstrate it to them?

Oh and how did you demonstrate it to them?
That will remain a secret until the end of time...

That will remain a secret until the end of time...

Don't tell me you did that to a mod? You sick F**k!

Don't tell me you did that to a mod? You sick F**k!How could I help it, I was drunk! :(

How could I help it, I was drunk! :(

poor frisbestria.............. fuck I forgot how to spell his name oh well... Now he/she has to get abducted! THAT MADE NO SENSE!

poor frisbestria.............. fuck I forgot how to spell his name oh well... Now he/she has to get abducted! THAT MADE NO SENSE!Obviously...

wow 5000 posts thats really good, I remember when you had less than ten..... oh well.... So colonize other planets? and destroy them? I like your style.
No, we blow the planets up and then we colonize them after they have been sufficiently placated. You just can't trust planets, once I was just walking along minding my own business and suddenly Mars came along and started hussling me for change and Venus picked my pocket while I was distracted. Then Uranus mooned me and Mercury kicked me in the groin.
Its all a result of lack of discipline, how many worlds have we killed lately? Not near enough, I'd say!

capitalism is slowly destroying the world as it is... if nothing beats it to it, then there's your answer.


edit: w00t for czardas' 5k posts :fluffle:

on a serious note, everyone who knows me would not be surprised if and probably expect me to destroy the world or at least the human race, though destroying something larger is a possibility

I would say "Nationalism" is the one to go.
Ideologies have converged over the past 15 years or so, and the outliers are no longer important. Only nationalistic chauvinism is still going strong, whether with the US and, well, the rest of the world, or China and Japan, or Iran and Israel, or Palestine and Israel, or Syria and Israel.......

Nano warfare between capitalists, communists, & facists.

Goo! Good fer me - good fer you.

the world has too much politics. I say we round up all politicians on earth and shoot them. Then elect some politicians, and round them up and shoot them. Then we elect some politicians.......

That would end war, hunger, racism, dictatorship, capitalism, communism, and facism in one fell swoop. But back to the topic. I say I'm going to destroy the world. After graduating college in.....count the 2's....6 years, I'm going to be a history teacher(I'm 15). I'll teach my kids the horrible stuff about politics, and then they'll spread my beliefs, and more people will. The the world will, where then all politicians will be rounded up and shot, then we elect some people to be politicians, and then they'll be shot, so eventually, I'll be the last person on earth because I never wanted to lead people. so then I laugh...And think...."I...crap, the whole world is dead, the dead bodies will rise as zombies and skeleton warriors!". And for the left of my natural life I'll live as a paranoid person in a gaint military instalation, continuesly paranoid of the zombies and skeleton warriors that will never come, nor will never be undead, just rotting carcasses.

There's my story of how the world will end. <Add Twilight Zone music here>

Capitalism wont destroy the world. You cant make a profit if your dead (never underestimate the incentive of self interest)

What would be more likely to destory the world in the next century? Which will cause the the world to be destroyed and why?
I have to say that unbridled Capitalism is more likely to destroy things than the other two. Communisim and fascism are both largely defunct anyway.

capitalism is slowly destroying the world as it is... if nothing beats it to it, then there's your answer.

Care to explain, or are you going to simply make an unfounded accusation?

Capitalism.

At this point in time, with technologies capable of devastating billions of lives and environmental destruction reaching a catastrophic point, an economic system putting private profit before human life is unsustainable.

I hope it doesn't come down to that. I'm hoping I can get on 'Let's Make A Deal' so I can trade the Earth for what's inside the box. :)

At this point in time, with technologies capable of devastating billions of lives and environmental destruction reaching a catastrophic point, an economic system putting private profit before human life is unsustainable.

Hmm. So capitalism yielded WMDs? You are partially correct to assert that the process of capitalism created weapons, however it was the socio-political circumstances (namely the Cold War) that served as impetus for the creation of the weapons. Capitalism was merely the tool. Furthermore, the USSR, running under a socialist economic structure created a massive amount of weapons too, so even there you are not completely right.

Do you actually believe that environmental destruction is solely due to capitalism? No matter what economic structure one utilizes, the consumption of natural resources occurs. If anything, the increased human population has more to do with the destruction of the environment more than anything.

By putting "private profit" as the focal point, society benefits as a whole. I don't deny capitalism is a relatively self-centered individualistic system, but doesn't that just reflect human nature? The point is that capitalism creates economic prosperty which helps people of any socio-economic status. Furthermore, free-market capitalism gives people more economic freedom to choose how they use their money, instead of having a corrupt and/or elite governing structure telling them otherwise.

I hope it doesn't come down to that. I'm hoping I can get on 'Let's Make A Deal' so I can trade the Earth for what's inside the box. :)
a boat is a boat, but the box could be anythind, even a boat. you know how much i want one of those

Hmm. So capitalism yielded WMDs?....Do you actually believe that environmental destruction is solely due to capitalism?...
I think you misunderstood. He's not asserting that Capitalism caused those things, merely that these things (regardless of what causes them) make Capitalism unviable.

By putting "private profit" as the focal point, society benefits as a whole.
Questionable in many instances (Prisoner's Dilemma?).

I think you misunderstood. He's not asserting that Capitalism caused those things, merely that these things (regardless of what causes them) make Capitalism unviable.

Yeah, I figured that, but his wording was a bit misleading. I guess I just felt like ranting. :)

Regardless, I still do not understand how Capitalism is any more dangerous than, say, an authoritarian dictatorship/oligarchical government when it comes to humanity's potential for destruction.

Questionable in many instances (Prisoner's Dilemma?).

Agreed. I meant as a whole rather than in every circumstance. Capitalism has flaws just like every other system. I challenge you to consider a economic system that generates more capital and prosperity than capitalism? Because in order to criticize capitalism, one must consider the alternate risks/benefits of another system.

...I challenge you to consider a economic system that generates more capital and prosperity than capitalism? Because in order to criticize capitalism, one must consider the alternate risks/benefits of another system.
It all depends on what you value most in life...if social cohesiveness, if the happiness of your neighbour is important to you, then perhaps socialism is a better alternative.
We all know it may create less total wealth, but if it is distributed more evenly, some may prefer that.

It's not like communists, or socialists, or anarcho-primitivists don't know that capitalism is better at creating wealth (unless externalities reach epic proportions, which is perhaps what he meant in the first place), it's just that they value the benefits of "their" system more than you do. ;)

I will destroy the world, I'm going to make sure of it.

Rampant capitalism combined with humanity's chronic short-term profit, short-sighted nature will likely be what gets us in the end.

sad sad people
cant you find something to do that is more useful with your time
like finding your calling of being a eunuch in a far flung province in east southern outer inner down under

I would say that if any one of them were to dominate the world, then the world would end.

With capitalism, the idea is that "I can work harder than everyone else." With such an idea, people have no qualms about taking advantage of others and in the end, if someone wins, they will have nobody left to celebrate with.

With communism, the idea is "everyone else can work harder than me, so if I just make a show of effort, I can get the same benefit as everyone else." In the end, nobody will be doing anything and blaming everyone else for not working hard enough.

With facism, the idea is "I'm right and everyone else is wrong!" Facists will seek to crush all that oppose them and in the end, if there were nothing but facists, then they would start looking around and trying to figure out who wasn't facist enough and get rid of them too. In the end, it would be much like capitalism, in that someone would win but they would die a lonely death.

For continuation, it is the dynamic interaction of these competing ideas that maintains the status quo.

The Sun, either it will explode or impode. Needless to say, the earth will affected.

None of the above

first of all: capitalism and communism are economic practices. you can have a democratic, communist nation, or a capitalist dictatorship (it IS possible). neither one can destroy the world.

second: by destroy the world, do you mean the actual planet Earth, or the human society. If it's humanity you mean, it can be destroyed be several means: all out war, disease, weather, Armageddon/Apocalypse, asteroid, comet, Rise of the Sea Turtles, some unknown alien species, mass suicide, and many, many more.

If by 'the world' you mean Earth, then there is no human force in existence that can destroy it. even with all the weapons we have, we will only destroy the surface, but the planet will continue to exist. we don't have the technology to destroy a planet. capitalism sure can't do it.

the initial question should be rephrased. I'm thinking more like: Which is more likely to destroy Human Society.

"Whats more likely to destroy the world?"

Your Momma on smack! :D

the contents of my room; i'm sure something more than capable of destroying the planet has spawned in the deep recesses of that place, considering some of the stuff i've had in there