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Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?
Entirely possible they're Christian, just not the ones that follow the Bible like they're supposed to. Y'know, turn the other cheek and all that.

And it is is mythology. All religions are. Including mine.

Christian = Nazi

it hurt, too! i lost 2 teeth from the punches, both of which connect with my jaw. and the groin kick, im pretty sure he was wearing steel toed boots. cause that HURT! i was feeling it an hour after!

You shouldn't have said that our Lord was mythology

Christian = Nazi

Agh! 3 posts in and already someone says the N-word.

Go home sir, and find a better comparison. That one's already been wanked to death.

You shouldn't have said that our Lord was mythology

dear, no!

http://www.uterinefury.com/you_got_served_criterion.jpg

Now that that's out of the way :D , you shouldn't take that shit. As a pacifist I can't recommend violent retribution, but at the very least you shouldn't let him silence you and your beliefs.

Oh, and what he did was assault and battery. It's legally actionable. If you got hurt at all, I'd look into it.

File charges of assault and battery on the bastard :D

File charges of assault and battery on the bastard :D

dude, that case will possibly get NATIONAL coverage, i dont want that! (note i said POSSIBLY)

dude, that case will possibly get NATIONAL coverage, i dont want that! (note i said POSSIBLY)

So? Sue him for medical cost, emotional damages, and force him to memorize the Bible.

You shouldn't have said that our Lord was mythology


How does that mean he deserved to be attacked?

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?
Whomever that person was ... whatever he was ... he most assuredly was NOT a "Christian!" :(

maybe he took "onward christian soldiers" too literally?

its obvious that he broke his religions law by beating up on me, but i mean, he meant it! his tone of voice, damn man, HE MEANT IT!

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?

Some people are just wide-brimmed arse-hats.

by the way, nazis arent chrisitans, the KKK are christian. Nazis believe in teutonic gods and shit like that, so their pagans

dude, that case will possibly get NATIONAL coverage, i dont want that! (note i said POSSIBLY)
No, it won't. I bet it's not the first time it's happened. It's not right that someone hits you like that for any reason, and you're entitled at least to your med bills. I say you lay charges on that bully.

by the way, nazis arent chrisitans, the KKK are christian. Nazis believe in teutonic gods and shit like that, so their pagans

No, they didn't. The Nazis believed in a Christian god, but stole some Pagan symbols, rituals, etc. Only some of them actually knew what the symbols were and probably even fewer participated in the rituals.

by the way, nazis arent chrisitans, the KKK are christian. Nazis believe in teutonic gods and shit like that, so their pagans No, Nazis were mostly atheist/agnostic with just a pinch of pagan. They didn't literally believe in the Nordic gods.

I would not have been able to let it drop, nothing gets me more angry than someone who uses violence to reinforce their own morality (if you can call it that). I most certainly would have escalated the situation until it got very bad.

Thats awful, how can someone like that be even called a christian?
The willingness to fight for your god is NOT a virtue.

You shouldn't have said that our Lord was mythology

There is no way he could have know that would have happend, and if the guy Truely belived in Christianity, he would have turned the other cheek.

Edit-
Mythology is the study of myths: stories of a particular culture that it believes to be true and that feature a specific religious or belief system.
(As defined by Wikipedia)

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?

You are a HEATHEN!!! And God Will SMITE THE!!!

:D

Please, Many christian's don't believe what they say. They just want to think that they are in the right and will go to heven. For them going to church is like 401K for the soul.

But, don't worry. God will punish him for his actions.

I would not have been able to let it drop, nothing gets me more angry than someone who uses violence to reinforce their own morality (if you can call it that). I most certainly would have escalated the situation until it got very bad.

hey, the guy was BUFF, i mean BUFF. he could have ripped my ass off and shoved it down my throat!

hey, the guy was BUFF, i mean BUFF. he could have ripped my ass off and shoved it down my throat!

So? It just means he's insecure, and size/muscle is NOT everything in a fight, unless you let it be.

It's been said before...here it comes again. NO ONE has the right to violate you because of your beliefs. Charge him with assault.

You shouldn't have said that our Lord was mythology
Query:
Are you saying that the man who attacked Ritlina was jusified in doing so, or are you telling Ritlina to be careful about what he says?

Its people like this (the attacker) that gives Christianity a bad name.

Please, don't judge the whole religion by the actions of one lunatic.

ehh... all he did was knock out two teeth, the crowns didnt cost that much because of my insurance, i did a check up on my testes, no permanet damage, im just gonna leave it, but seriously, WHY THE FUCK DID HE DO THAT?!?!?!

by the way, nazis arent chrisitans, the KKK are christian. Nazis believe in teutonic gods and shit like that, so their pagans

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/unknown/hitler.html
http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/hitler/hitler1.htm


"People often make the claim that Adolph Hitler adhered to Atheism, Humanism or that his religion involved ancient Nordic pagan mythology. None of these fanciful and wrong ideas hold. Although one of Hitler's henchmen, Alfred Rosenberg, did undertake a campaign of Nordic mythological propaganda, Hitler and most of his henchmen did not believe in it. Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that his God equals the same God of the Bible."

""Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." - Adolph Hitler

I have to disagree with you there, Ritalin. Teutonic religion has several gods.

I now leave you with a few Adolph Hitler quotes.

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. [Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933]

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# My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed. [Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922, published in My New Order, quoted in Freethought Today April 1990]

I'm a Christian and it saddens me that someone claiming to follow my faith would do that. If you had said it in front of me, I would hav argued with you, that's all. Someone in my Politics class said 'Christianity is all b******s' and that offended me quite a bit. I feel that everyone should be able to state their opinion, but had he said 'I disagree with Christianity' I could have dealt with it. I just felt that had Islam or Judaism been insulted, it would have been dealt with in a much stricter way by the teacher. As it was, the teacher just said "I think we'd better wrap this discussion up". It's happened before, younger kids at school calling me a 'Bible basher' or 'Jesus-lover' and teachers taking absolutely no notice.
Anyway, i'm sorry that someone treated you in that way. I guess it counts as taking the Lord's name in vain.

ehh... all he did was knock out two teeth, the crowns didnt cost that much because of my insurance, i did a check up on my testes, no permanet damage, im just gonna leave it, but seriously, WHY THE FUCK DID HE DO THAT?!?!?!
It's up to you, of course. Although you shouldn't have had to pay anything. As to why he did that, well, he did it because he's a moron.

ehh... all he did was knock out two teeth, the crowns didnt cost that much because of my insurance, i did a check up on my testes, no permanet damage, im just gonna leave it, but seriously, WHY THE FUCK DID HE DO THAT?!?!?!

Because he's a dick holster.

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?

You have 2 choices.go into hiding from the shame,or batter that christian in retaliation.no doubt someone has already said this.but how and ever*submits reply*

There are a lot of assholes out there who say they are Christians but don't really follow it's teachings. My comment: That dude was one such asshole.

File charges of assault and battery on the bastard :D
dude, that case will possibly get NATIONAL coverage, i dont want that! (note i said POSSIBLY)
all the better for it!
if you happen to know who it was, file charges with the police and get the asshole arrested, sanctioned, fined, warned, whatever - just teach the guy a lesson
nobody should do that, not even "in the name of the lord"... thats how the crusades started :rolleyes: ;)

So? Sue him for medical cost, emotional damages, and force him to memorize the Bible.

Better idea: force him to understand the Bible. I've had many experiences with people that call themselves Christian who can quote the Bible with great skill, but when you ask them "what does it mean?" they fall silent.

I wouldn't press charges; this guy sounds like he's on juice. There would really be no point in it. You'll be able to laugh about this later, and it'll be even more funny if you can look back on it and know you followed the laws of his religion better than he did.

Jesus can suck my balls, figuratively of course...

It probably would get national coverage; little things that have to do even remotely with religion tend to. I don't wanna hijack the thread, but a good example would be two words in the Pledge of Allegiance that no one MAKES u say, but people still get riled up over it anyway.

Not sure its his fault

Gah, some people... The most I've had from 'that sort' is chants of 'Burn the Witch' - nothing physical.

Better idea: force him to understand the Bible. I've had many experiences with people that call themselves Christian who can quote the Bible with great skill, but when you ask them "what does it mean?" they fall silent.

I was counting on the Bible overwriting his obviously small brain and rendering him comatose, thus solving any future problems.

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?


where do you live?!

Do what I do whenever I get in an argument with a crazy Christian. (Note: I am a Christian myself, but I am logical and moderate about it.) I'm sure people here will start pointing out how that guy is not a true Christian by bringing up Bible quotations. If the bulley ever crosses you again, start stating those quotes to prove how wrong he is.
A note with crazy Christians: they are great at quoting select parts of the Bible, but they ignore the message on the whole.

Quote from I forget who: Where do you live?

My money's on the southeastern United States. aka Bible Belt. We have a lot of that ilk down here unfortunately.

I seriously doubt that a christian would ever do that you. I belie that you are either lying or he was not a christian

You received a 1-2 punch and a kick to the groin from a guy you call "pretty buff"

Something tells me you didn't just walk away. Hobbled, or crawled sounds better to me. Maybe even layed down on the sidewalk for a while.

Story sounds really fishy to me.

You shouldn't have said that our Lord was mythology
Your lord is mythology!


And seriously, press charges on his ass. Call up the cops and tell them what happened, some guy attacked you without provocation (that isn't real provocation) or warning and then ran off. Give them a description (surely your friend who wasn't attacked could help you with that) and get that guy's ass thrown in jail.

Varg Vikernes has shown us the solution to this sort of problem. Burn a church. With the stupid prick inside it, ideally.

damned religious fanatics.
Also, you got kicked and didn't kick back? Wow man, even is he was "pretty buff" you don't allow scum like that to just walk over you, do you?

Varg Vikernes has shown us the solution to this sort of problem. Burn a church. With the stupid prick inside it, ideally.

burn it, while pissing on it :D

I'm a Christian and it saddens me that someone claiming to follow my faith would do that. If you had said it in front of me, I would hav argued with you, that's all. Someone in my Politics class said 'Christianity is all b******s' and that offended me quite a bit. I feel that everyone should be able to state their opinion, but had he said 'I disagree with Christianity' I could have dealt with it. I just felt that had Islam or Judaism been insulted, it would have been dealt with in a much stricter way by the teacher. As it was, the teacher just said "I think we'd better wrap this discussion up". It's happened before, younger kids at school calling me a 'Bible basher' or 'Jesus-lover' and teachers taking absolutely no notice.
Anyway, i'm sorry that someone treated you in that way. I guess it counts as taking the Lord's name in vain.

im not saying that anyone has any right to try to make you feel insecure, and i am not defending them, but have you ever thought that maybe the teachers are just simply tired of all the problems chrisianity has created...

tried to be everywhere and wages lawsuits on the places that try to remove it... (the "in god we trust" on coins, payers in school, the pledge of alligence,the texas courthouse)

refuse to believe anything BUT what they "are told" in the bible...(gays, divorce, the natural evil of the human soul)

Im not saying that christian are the only trouble by any means either, look at some of the extreme muslim groups...they blow themseles up in public places to "teach a lesson to the infidels" ...

i think you should just chill out...if you really believe it, then why is asinine name calling affecting you? Just believe what you want to believe; as long as you honestly believe, not just kinda sorta maybe believe, you wont have to worry about the actions of any more childish people.

Enamored Valor

Ech. I've been insulted for being Christian but never attacked. Stupid moron he is. I'm not sure if you should bother taking it to court, it might not be worth it.

They won't lock him up for common assault, put it that way. And if he does get dragged to court for it, his accuser will be upgraded from a random punchbag to somebody he has an urge to make life miserable for...

Look, the guy was clearly wrong and shouldn't have done what he did. But be careful around religion next time. It's not nice to call someone's entire belief system "a myth." Just say "I do not believe in it". It's a lot more polite.

Look, the guy was clearly wrong and shouldn't have done what he did. But be careful around religion next time. It's not nice to call someone's entire belief system "a myth." Just say "I do not believe in it". It's a lot more polite.
Because Christians are invariably polite when dealing with people they have a difference of opinion with, such as homosexuals, evolutionists, muslims, feminists and the like?

Look, the guy was clearly wrong and shouldn't have done what he did. But be careful around religion next time. It's not nice to call someone's entire belief system "a myth." Just say "I do not believe in it". It's a lot more polite.


politeness doesnt mean anything... this guy should learn how to restrain himself...and one shouldnt have to tiptoe around an issue just bc hes afraid to get beat up...this is america....the U.S. land of the free...ring any bells?

we should never feel afraid to express our opinions...even if they are rude...and i dont think it was all that rude...maybe you just need context to understand...

Enamored Valor

Because Christians are invariably polite when dealing with people they have a difference of opinion with, such as homosexuals, evolutionists, muslims, feminists and the like?

wonderful point friend... :D

are you religiously tied? just a question...you can always not answer...

Enamored Valor

It was probably some dumbass who didn't like you to begin with and wanted a bullshit reason to beat you up. I've seen that happen, although it's usually for other reasons than religion (thankfully, I was the one watching the fiasco rather than being involved in it).

Either that, or it's made up.

Look, it's obvious this dude has issues, and he shouldn't have assaulted you, but I can sort of see why he got pisssed.

And yes, in the U.S. we can shoot our mouths off about whatever we want, but there will be always be ramifications if you say something rude. Just look at Howard Dean( not that i disagree with him necessarily, but politicians really technically don't have free speech to the degree the rest of us do.)

howard dean said what he believed needed to be said....and he didnt get punched...

he didnet get elected though either, which, i assume, is your point...

it doesnt really make a lot of sense...he was really runnning from the beginning...he was presenting a side that isnt often shown and what better way to do it than te democratic elections?

Enamored Valor

i live in the south... you dont have to tell me abt close-minded people

Enamored Valor

1st off, i question whether we're getting the full story about these two guys, but the sad truth is there are a lot of ignorant jerks claiming to be Christians that don't even READ the bible let alone follow it.
2nd, if anyone thinks that guy represented true Christianity then they are just as ignorant as the moron that punched the guy.

Well, whether they do or do not get elected, they still really can't voice opinions that are radically against the public opinion.

My dad's in state politics, and as a result, I can't voice some of my more liberal views, because whenever he runs for re-election his opponent is always a Christian @%$^^#@ of the caliber of the one who assaulted Ritlina.

He never got punched by any of them, but they always make up rumours about him

to describe something you must use words...
by creating words like "true" you create what is "false"
by deeming what is living, you have decided what is nonliving or dead

if christianity was a religion, made up by man (and it was guys...deal w/ it) the only words can describe it...

so how can anyone show true christianity?

my mother is a lutheran minister and i just gotta say that it was totally wrong for that guy to assault you i will also say that most of the bible is mythology stories that the ancient hebrews made up to explain things that couldnt be explained logically

Because Christians are invariably polite when dealing with people they have a difference of opinion with, such as homosexuals, evolutionists, muslims, feminists and the like?
I at least am. It doesn't matter if you're Christian or atheist or Cthulu; respect other people's beliefs and try to be polite.

And you're response to my point is pitiable. It's like a child flipping someone off and saying "well, other people were doing it". Never hold an individual responsible for the actions of some within the group he/she is associated with.Never justify bad behavior with bad behavior.

*grabs baseball bat* on wards non christians will shall sort this one out... oh wait now i see a problem that guy was a prick and that is all, wanna borrow my bat? teach the little prick what happens when you mess with someones beliefs that are different than your own, oh wait that is what you did, erm here take my bat and beat me with it, this world is to confussing for little ol me!

politics are corrupt...no kidding, right? but really you wouldnt believe some of the ignorance i ocme across on a daily basis...heck, one of my cousins likes Bush bc she has a lot of threm in her yard... come on...

look, you can say what you want, you just have to be prepared for whatever the reaction may be

Enamored Valor

politeness doesnt mean anything... this guy should learn how to restrain himself...and one shouldnt have to tiptoe around an issue just bc hes afraid to get beat up...this is america....the U.S. land of the free...ring any bells?

we should never feel afraid to express our opinions...even if they are rude...and i dont think it was all that rude...maybe you just need context to understand...

Enamored Valor
He shouldn't have to tiptoe around everything, true. But is it so much to ask that people be respectful of others?

*grabs baseball bat* on wards non christians will shall sort this one out... oh wait now i see a problem that guy was a prick and that is all, wanna borrow my bat? teach the little prick what happens when you mess with someones beliefs that are different than your own, oh wait that is what you did, erm here take my bat and beat me with it, this world is to confussing for little ol me!

just bc your opinions are offended by someone you should be able to beat the up?

wonderful point friend... :D

are you religiously tied? just a question...you can always not answer...

Enamored Valor
I describe myself as an atheist, though I suppose I'm technically still a Catholic as I haven't actually been excommunicated as yet. Strange how that works, really.

He shouldn't have to tiptoe around everything, true. But is it so much to ask that people be respectful of others?

respect comes and goes in many ways...and who says this guy deserves respect...punching a guy bc of words?????

sounds to me like the guy doesnt deserve anything

enamored valor

Originally posted by: Enamored Valor

He was presenting a side not often shown, and what better place to do that than in a democratic election.


He's made a lot of statements outside of the elections, a LOT of them.

That's the problem with the Dems right now: They'd rather give in to the admittedly very strong temptation to just bitch about how corrupt the Republicans are instead of defining their party.

But then it's much easier and more effecient in politics to state what you are against than what you are for.

No, Nazis were mostly atheist/agnostic with just a pinch of pagan. They didn't literally believe in the Nordic gods.

Sounds like too much hype to me.

Where is the evidence to support this claim? I mean - since most Germans are nominally (at least) Christians... it seems unlikely that 'most Nazis' were united in any other persuasion, no?

Originally posted by: Enamored Valor

look you can say what you want, you just have to be prepared for whatever the reaction might be

That's basically what i said in my Howard Dean post. lol!

I at least am. It doesn't matter if you're Christian or atheist or Cthulu; respect other people's beliefs and try to be polite.

And you're response to my point is pitiable. It's like a child flipping someone off and saying "well, other people were doing it". Never hold an individual responsible for the actions of some within the group he/she is associated with.Never justify bad behavior with bad behavior.
I wasn't attempting to justify "bad behaviour", as you have it, just pointing out that's absolutely pathetic for people who feel they have a god given right to ignore any opinion (or come to that, fact) that they don't to like to expect to have their own beliefs respected by anybody who doesn't share them. There's such a thing as leading by example, it's true, but expecting a blind eye to be turned to the idiots who are burning down family planning clinics is taking the piss.

Whoever said the nazis were atheists/agnostics were dead wrong.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

respect comes and goes in many ways...and who says this guy deserves respect...punching a guy bc of words?????

sounds to me like the guy doesnt deserve anything

enamored valor
I'm not talking this asshole in particular. I'm saying he should respect people's Christian beliefs. Just because he disagrees with them doesn't mean he should go around bashing them and calling them "mythology."

The willingness to fight for your god is NOT a virtue.

You state that with the conviction of fact. Can you back that up?

All people fight for their gods, whether their god is Jehovah, the triple goddess, vishnu, or even when they become their own gods. Some, such as the misguided soul who ignored Paul's declaration that our warfare is not physical in the original post, fight physically, while others fight on the intellectual, spiritual, and emotional level.

If you want to get technical, saying Christianity is mythology is an act of spiritual warfare, as it's seen as an act of evangelism.

This makes me sad. ._. I'm a Christian myself, and it irks me when people misrepresent Christianity like that. They comepletely screw over what little credibility we have in the world.

I wasn't attempting to justify "bad behaviour", as you have it, just pointing out that's absolutely pathetic for people who feel they have a god given right to ignore any opinion (or come to that, fact) that they don't to like to expect to have their own beliefs respected by anybody who doesn't share them. There's such a thing as leading by example, it's true, but expecting a blind eye to be turned to the idiots who are burning down family planning clinics is taking the piss.
Yes, but it is absurd to judge all Christians by the actions of those who burn down family clinics. I have no respect for those people. But Christianity by itself is simply a belief system, and it has little to do with ignoring other people's opinions or facts. You're judging a gigantic group of people by the actions of a minority.

You state that with the conviction of fact. Can you back that up?

All people fight for their gods, whether their god is Jehovah, the triple goddess, vishnu, or even when they become their own gods. Some, such as the misguided soul who ignored Paul's declaration that our warfare is not physical in the original post, fight physically, while others fight on the intellectual, spiritual, and emotional level.

If you want to get technical, saying Christianity is mythology is an act of spiritual warfare, as it's seen as an act of evangelism.
And on a still more technical level, you've just constructed an elaborate justification for some pinhead knocking out a couple of someone else's teeth because he didn't like the conversation he was eavesdropping on.

Yes, but it is absurd to judge all Christians by the actions of those who burn down family clinics. I have no respect for those people. But Christianity by itself is simply a belief system, and it has little to do with ignoring other people's opinions or facts. You're judging a gigantic group of people by the actions of a minority.
If the gigantic group won't condemn the minority, there's little else one can do. The Pope's comments about certain novels he finds offensive (let alone his predecessor's assertion that condoms don't prevent pregnancy and cause AIDS) do more than enough to call Christianity into disrepute, given that there are more Catholics than members of any other denomination.

You state that with the conviction of fact. Can you back that up?

All people fight for their gods, whether their god is Jehovah, the triple goddess, vishnu, or even when they become their own gods. Some, such as the misguided soul who ignored Paul's declaration that our warfare is not physical in the original post, fight physically, while others fight on the intellectual, spiritual, and emotional level.

If you want to get technical, saying Christianity is mythology is an act of spiritual warfare, as it's seen as an act of evangelism.

This is the sort of psychobabble justification that gets people hurt.

By this 'logic', Athiests are justified in the mass extermination of all other religions, because they are all 'declaring' "spiritual warfare" on our godless status, by claiming that gods do exist.

And on a still more technical level, you've just constructed an elaborate justification for some pinhead knocking out a couple of someone else's teeth because he didn't like the conversation he was eavesdropping on.

In order to justify someone's actions one must first approve of the actions. Where exactly have I expressed approval for what the man did?

Thinking more about this, I would suggest to go ahead with the lawsuit. The way to combat evil is not by fighting against it, but by exposing it. In the light of public scrutiny, such behavior cannot be justified.

This is the sort of psychobabble justification that gets people hurt.

By this 'logic', Athiests are justified in the mass extermination of all other religions, because they are all 'declaring' "spiritual warfare" on our godless status, by claiming that gods do exist.

Athiests do not hold themselves to the same standards, so there is little I can say about the ones who do assault theists.

However, Christians are held to a set of standards for warfare. We are not to engage in physical combat, but in spiritual. The missionaries, evangelists, anyone who defends the word of God is engaged in warfare. Anyone who questions the existance of the Lord, goes forth in the name of allah or buddha or any god engages in the same war, even without laying a hand on another person or the use of weapons.

And since some people here have found lines in my post that I don't recall posting, I am just as outraged by this man's actions as I would be if it were an atheist attacking a Christian. How you think I condone his actions to the point of justifying him is beyond me.

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?

Adopting the logic of the "My friend got beat up by black people" thread, this means that all Christians are mean and uncivil people who hate the world and deserve our everlasting scorn. ;)

Athiests do not hold themselves to the same standards, so there is little I can say about the ones who do assault theists.

However, Christians are held to a set of standards for warfare. We are not to engage in physical combat, but in spiritual. The missionaries, evangelists, anyone who defends the word of God is engaged in warfare. Anyone who questions the existance of the Lord, goes forth in the name of allah or buddha or any god engages in the same war, even without laying a hand on another person or the use of weapons.

And since some people here have found lines in my post that I don't recall posting, I am just as outraged by this man's actions as I would be if it were an atheist attacking a Christian. How you think I condone his actions to the point of justifying him is beyond me.

I don't recall saying that you condoned the actions. However, your attempt to ameliorate the situation, by suggesting there IS a justification in some kind of 'spiritual warfare' clause, is a problem in and of itself, and can certainly be SEEN as you trying to 'justify' the actions of a mindless thug.

Anyway, to MY mind, anyone who preaches war... either physical OR spiritual, is entirely missing the point of Jesus' ministry on Earth.

Religions aren't mythology. Two completely different things. Anyone who thinks so is a dumbass.

The Nazi's killed Christians, BTW... :rolleyes:

Religions aren't mythology. Two completely different things. Anyone who thinks so is a dumbass.

They most certainly are:

Myth: A usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon

Sounds a lot like any religious text.

The only difference is that "myth" implies falsehood, even though it could very well be true.

Religions aren't mythology. Two completely different things. Anyone who thinks so is a dumbass.

The Nazi's killed Christians, BTW... :rolleyes:

How very pretentious.

How is a religion automatically different from a mythology?

Also, just because certain sections of the population were targetted by, or protected by, the Nazi party... has no bearing on whether those groups were represented WITHIN the Nazi party.

Dudes, christians have supposedly been called on to fight for jesus and god. In the battle of armegedon they battled lucipher and his dudes. They were lead by jesus him self. :mp5:

Dudes, christians have supposedly been called on to fight for jesus and god. In the battle of armegedon they battled lucipher and his dudes. They were lead by jesus him self. :mp5:

Want to show me the verses for that?

Dudes, christians have supposedly been called on to fight for jesus and god. In the battle of armegedon they battled lucipher and his dudes. They were lead by jesus him self. :mp5:

So when Jesus commanded those that followed him to turn the other cheek and love thy enemy, he was just talking out his ass?

Anyway, when I first read the title of this thread, for a brief, scandalized, moment I thought it said, "A Christian Beat Off On Me."

All in all, I think that would be a more interesting thread.

Dudes, christians have supposedly been called on to fight for jesus and god. In the battle of armegedon they battled lucipher and his dudes. They were lead by jesus him self.

:rolleyes:
Jesus rebuked the zealots and refused to act as a warlord against the Romans. He preached peace, not war. In addition, you obviously take the book of Revelations literally like the fundamentalist "left-behind" crew, which I consider to be theologically incorrect. If you think Jesus lived so that we may fight others, you are severly missing the point. He taught Christians to love one another, not hate. When he saw a prostitute, tax-collector, or outcast did Jesus beat them up? Please...

Anyway, to MY mind, anyone who preaches war... either physical OR spiritual, is entirely missing the point of Jesus' ministry on Earth.

Even though it was Jesus himself who said


Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Luke 12:51-54 KJV

Jesus has said that houses will be divided. I am witnessing this in my own life. My girlfriend's mother left Christianity in favor of American Indian traditions and took her entire family with her. My girlfriend later returned to God, and it has been a source of contention since then, to the point of actively trying to break us up just because I'm a Christian.

That sounds like a spiritual war to me.

Even though it was Jesus himself who said



Jesus has said that houses will be divided. I am witnessing this in my own life. My girlfriend's mother left Christianity in favor of American Indian traditions and took her entire family with her. My girlfriend later returned to God, and it has been a source of contention since then, to the point of actively trying to break us up just because I'm a Christian.

That sounds like a spiritual war to me.

Jesus said that house would be divided. He did not preach open war.

He also preached that the Christian should separate him/herself from the heathens, did he not? It sounds like he was preaching separation, rather than confrontation.

Want to show me the verses for that?

Y dont u check out the section of the bible known as the apocolypse and revelation. Behold the truth is out there. Jesus believes in necesary violence. Or google it if you are opposed to the bible. But that tool who beat up that dude for calling christianity mythology, yea hes an asswipe

Ok.....well maybe you should watch what you say in public. You wouldnt walk around on the sidewalk talking crap about black people would you? No, of course not. Not unless you had a death wish.

Oh and by the way, this is a Christian country.... just another reason to watch what you say in public.

"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it." -Robert A. Heinlein

"What are the marks of a sick culture? It is a bad sign when the people of a country stop identifying themselves with the county and start identifying with a group. A racial group. Or a religion. Or a language. Anything, as long as it isn't the whole population."- Heinlein again.

"I've never understood how God could expect His creatures to pick the one true religion by faith - it strikes me as a sloppy way to run a universe."- Also Heinlein

Look your all taking this way off topic. The guy got beat-up for properly defining religion. Every Religion is a mythology every religion will be a mythology. It's only referred to as a religion because it is still in use. THe idiot who hit him should be hunted down and shot. Not because of my religious beliefs or his religious beliefs but simply because he is an idiot with no self-control. Now because of people who follow their religions it is suggested that they help those peope who end up getting hurt or are just inherently stupid, like the afore mentioned a$shat.

Stupidity can not be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation.Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.- RAH again

Therefore those who follow their religion as mandated by it's writings are allowing stupidity to ran rampant. Un fortunately...

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Einstein

Athiests do not hold themselves to the same standards, so there is little I can say about the ones who do assault theists.
To true. You can't blame everyone because of a few bad seeds. True this guy was a jerk but he was only one man. Now if every christian had lined up to punch him and then kick him in the groin then we could blame all christians. But if that happened I'd doubt this thread would exist.

However, Christians are held to a set of standards for warfare. We are not to engage in physical combat, but in spiritual. The missionaries, evangelists, anyone who defends the word of God is engaged in warfare. Anyone who questions the existance of the Lord, goes forth in the name of allah or buddha or any god engages in the same war, even without laying a hand on another person or the use of weapons.
Whoa there buddy. Your speaking for groups of people who may not condone your position. I mean if a buddhist or a Muslim was trying to convert someone I think they would focus on selling their religion rather then trying to attack others. In a way I think these missionaries are more spiritual telamarketers then warriors.

Oh and by the way, this is a Christian country.... just another reason to watch what you say in public.

No, it's not. It's been repeatedly disproven time and again. It's a nation with a large number of Christians, but not a Christian nation.

Y dont u check out the section of the bible known as the apocolypse and revelation. Behold the truth is out there. Jesus believes in necesary violence. Or google it if you are opposed to the bible. But that tool who beat up that dude for calling christianity mythology, yea hes an asswipe

Revelation wasn't written by Jesus, nor was the revelation the words of Jesus. They are the writings of John, who described his prophetic vision.

by the way, nazis arent chrisitans, the KKK are christian. Nazis believe in teutonic gods and shit like that, so their pagans

The Nazis had a variety of religious beliefs, some were Catholic, some Protestant, some Asatru and some Atheists or Agnostic, they were united by ideology.

There's reason to believe that Asatru may of become the official religion, post-Hitler.

Ok.....well maybe you should watch what you say in public. You wouldnt walk around on the sidewalk talking crap about black people would you? No, of course not. Not unless you had a death wish.
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Good advice, actually. No matter where you go, there are always going to be people that are more powerful and less intelligent than yourself. If anything, being attacked for one's beliefs only serves to validate them. If someone said "Christianity is a myth", a sensible person would either laugh it off or feel sorry for the person holding such beliefs. The reaction in this case would be because the person believed it was true and didn't want to believe it.

I think Terry Goodkind said it best:
"Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it is true, or because they are afraid it might be true."

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?

Near impossible that guy WAS a christian. come on man be serious anyone who calls themselves a christian and does that is obviously not a christian, thanks for proclaiming all around HERE, now I get to go through some MORE crapfest on how stupid christians are.

Religions aren't mythology. Two completely different things. Anyone who thinks so is a dumbass.

The Nazi's killed Christians, BTW... :rolleyes:

The Nazis killed other Nazis too, the point is null.

Near impossible that guy WAS a christian. come on man be serious anyone who calls themselves a christian and does that is obviously not a christian, thanks for proclaiming all around HERE, now I get to go through some MORE crapfest on how stupid christians are.

Aye! And No True Scotsman...

No, it won't. I bet it's not the first time it's happened. It's not right that someone hits you like that for any reason, and you're entitled at least to your med bills. I say you lay charges on that bully.

Its not right unless you are asking for it. e.g. A boxer, fighter in the UFC, or a backyard brawler.

*grabs baseball bat* on wards non christians will shall sort this one out... oh wait now i see a problem that guy was a prick and that is all, wanna borrow my bat? teach the little prick what happens when you mess with someones beliefs that are different than your own, oh wait that is what you did, erm here take my bat and beat me with it, this world is to confussing for little ol me!


You can quit trolling/spamming now Cheese Penguins. If you don't have anything useful to add to a debate/discussion, then don't say it.

The Nazis killed other Nazis too, the point is null.
Moot & Void to. ;) But seriously though some "Christians" have some servere issues that even Dr Phil would shy from.

So? Sue him for medical cost, emotional damages, and force him to memorize the Bible.


I would file assault charges, and possibly go after medical costs. Something like this does not warrent beating someone.

I'm not talking this asshole in particular. I'm saying he should respect people's Christian beliefs. Just because he disagrees with them doesn't mean he should go around bashing them and calling them "mythology."

why not? and people have to EARN the respect...to give an entire group respect...that could be more dangerous than expressing your opinions....

Religions aren't mythology. Two completely different things. Anyone who thinks so is a dumbass.

The Nazi's killed Christians, BTW... :rolleyes:

ok well...lets think abt this...the most common of all mythology..as in what do you think of when you hear the word? Greek mythology of course. Well, i have a newsflash...they actually believed it and followed those rules and regulations that they created....same w/ ANY OTHER RELIGION

and as for the nazi thing...i think ppl have alresy taken care of that

Dudes, christians have supposedly been called on to fight for jesus and god. In the battle of armegedon they battled lucipher and his dudes. They were lead by jesus him self. :mp5:

umm, actually, no they arent. first off, if you look in the bible, Lucifer (which you are having a problem spelling) was "dead" to them. Lucifer meant "morning star" and was one of the christian's god's right hand men...and nowadays a lot of bible scholars believe that Lucifer isnt the fallen angel, but simply what the christain god named the morning star...but that is moot.... Anyway...they referred to the devil as Satan...and even then, the bible does not ask you to literally wage war...the christians believed in more of a psychological warfare

Ok.....well maybe you should watch what you say in public. You wouldnt walk around on the sidewalk talking crap about black people would you? No, of course not. Not unless you had a death wish.

Oh and by the way, this is a Christian country.... just another reason to watch what you say in public.

ok...you have problems...there will always be at least one person that will take offense no matter what you say....but guess what....it doesnt matter

if you always hold your tongue bc ur afraid of the reaction, what good have you done anyone???? you have opinions and they deserved to be heard...even if some take offense

and btw buddy....this was not, is not, and hopefully will never be a Christian nation. So many people dont understand what a gift it is to live here, among so many different religions and lifestyles...and choices...i hope that this nation will never opress the people by forcing them into any religion, this isnt an attack on christianity alone...just the idea of a whole nation....and a few outsiders (which, when you think abt it...arent just a mere few anymore...no matter what the puritans had to say abt it)

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Enamored Valor

I take the whole story with a HUGE grain of salt -- I find it hard to believe that a total stranger would punch someone in the face twice, knock out two teeth, and kick someone in the groin for an overheard remark that had nothing to do with him --

and that the thus assaulted would just "walk away", and that he and his friend would not react in any way including going to the police.

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?

*snicker* You're such a he-man. Beat up by a Christian. :D

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?
I'm sry that happened :( , he shouldn't have don it, and he has a long whay to go befor he can call himself a true christion... but trying to get even isn't going to help. your alive arn't you? just stay away from the guy, hang around frendly people that don't have short tempers, they wont punch you :D . thats just my opinion.

Entirely possible they're Christian, just not the ones that follow the Bible like they're supposed to. Y'know, turn the other cheek and all that.

Or maybe he's the Christian version of Billy Jack.. y'know, defending peace-loving hippies from violent squares, only this time in a religious way. :)

I take the whole story with a HUGE grain of salt -- I find it hard to believe that a total stranger would punch someone in the face twice, knock out two teeth, and kick someone in the groin for an overheard remark that had nothing to do with him --

and that the thus assaulted would just "walk away", and that he and his friend would not react in any way including going to the police.


he said he was wlaking with his friend...not a stranger...

Y dont u check out the section of the bible known as the apocolypse and revelation. Behold the truth is out there. Jesus believes in necesary violence. Or google it if you are opposed to the bible. But that tool who beat up that dude for calling christianity mythology, yea hes an asswipe

Which apocalypse? I feel you are probably throwing words around with scant regard for their meanings.

On the subject of Revelation - again, can you show verses to support, or is this just hollow rhetoric?

good job buddy...make the people think :p

enamored valor

Good advice, actually. No matter where you go, there are always going to be people that are more powerful and less intelligent than yourself. If anything, being attacked for one's beliefs only serves to validate them. If someone said "Christianity is a myth", a sensible person would either laugh it off or feel sorry for the person holding such beliefs. The reaction in this case would be because the person believed it was true and didn't want to believe it.

I think Terry Goodkind said it best:
"Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it is true, or because they are afraid it might be true."

Or perhaps, a sensible person would have agreed that Christianity is a myth...

I take the whole story with a HUGE grain of salt -- I find it hard to believe that a total stranger would punch someone in the face twice, knock out two teeth, and kick someone in the groin for an overheard remark that had nothing to do with him...

You've never been in the city of Leicester, near the 'trendy' clubs, at 2am.

Or maybe he's the Christian version of Billy Jack.. y'know, defending peace-loving hippies from violent squares, only this time in a religious way. :)

Go ahead and slap a stranger.
Go ahead and punch a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You'll be justified in the end.
There won't be any trumpets blowing
on the Judgement Day.
And on the bloody morning after...
One bad-assed Christian rides away.

if you always hold your tongue bc ur afraid of the reaction, what good have you done anyone???? you have opinions and they deserved to be heard...even if some take offense


An excellent point, and, I believe, the crux of the matter.

Several 'Christian' or 'Christian-sympathetic' posters have pointed out that the original poster somehow 'had it coming' for bad-mouthing Christianity, in their eyes.

However, I doubt they would appreciate the same justification if it were a Christian being set-about by an Atheist, for saying that 'god is real'?

Something of a double standard... there seems to be a mindset that it is FINE for Christians to push their world view, but not okay for anyone else to respond.

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?
Considering the suggestions in the Bible as to how much respect should be given to non-believers, I'm not suprised in the least.

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?

You may want to make sure that buff Christians aren't standing nearby when you make comments that they will perceive as an assualt on their religion and--by extension--their identity.

I'm sorry that happened to you, btw. Poor form on the part of the fella that attacked you.

Look your all taking this way off topic. The guy got beat-up for properly defining religion.

You're quoting Robert Anson "Incest is Best" Heinlein in a religious argument? New Low there. :)

In order to justify someone's actions one must first approve of the actions. Where exactly have I expressed approval for what the man did?
By spouting a load of shit to the effect that violence in the Lord's name is a righteous and noble thing. Given the circumstances, I have no idea how else you'd expect that nonsense to be interpreted.

An excellent point, and, I believe, the crux of the matter.

Several 'Christian' or 'Christian-sympathetic' posters have pointed out that the original poster somehow 'had it coming' for bad-mouthing Christianity, in their eyes.

However, I doubt they would appreciate the same justification if it were a Christian being set-about by an Atheist, for saying that 'god is real'?

Something of a double standard... there seems to be a mindset that it is FINE for Christians to push their world view, but not okay for anyone else to respond.

Your sig is totally shiny, but your conclusion is somewhat flawed. Just because some posters who identify as Christian seem to think that Jesus only turned the other cheek cause he was spinning for a roundhouse kick, doesn't equate to a "mindset that it is FINE for Christians to push their world view." If this actually happened (and I've got my doubts...sounds like another "a black man stole my bike" to me), I'm sure very few Christians would champion bludgeoning another person you didn't even know. Prosthelytizing, sure, but bitch slapping? Doubtful.

Your sig is totally shiny, but your conclusion is somewhat flawed. Just because some posters who identify as Christian seem to think that Jesus only turned the other cheek cause he was spinning for a roundhouse kick, doesn't equate to a "mindset that it is FINE for Christians to push their world view." If this actually happened (and I've got my doubts...sounds like another "a black man stole my bike" to me), I'm sure very few Christians would champion bludgeoning another person you didn't even know. Prosthelytizing, sure, but bitch slapping? Doubtful.
Not doubtful at all. A lot of Christians are far too stupid to construct a coherent argument, whereas any imbecile can punch somebody in the mouth.

*sniffs*
I smell something...it seems to be on the OP.

*sniffs closer*

ah..that is what I smell. BS...all over his shirt made of flaimbait. :rolleyes:

Not doubtful at all. A lot of Christians are far too stupid to construct a coherent argument, whereas any imbecile can punch somebody in the mouth.

Are you suggesting that prosthelytizing requires the construction of a coherent argument?

get some friends together and kick the shit out of that asshole (it'd be even better if you yell satanic slogans whilst beating him)

Not doubtful at all. A lot of Christians are far too stupid to construct a coherent argument, whereas any imbecile can punch somebody in the mouth.

Wheee! Neat!

Pointless Blanket Generalization Number 54: A lot of Christians are stupid and therefore violent.

Mmmm, goes down like decaf coffee: Bitter, but unconvincing.

Are you suggesting that prosthelytizing requires the construction of a coherent argument?
A good point, well made.

It's possible that he found a sour apple. Some of my christian friends are the sweetest people I've ever met. Some I've run into however....

I think that in cases like this it a matter of the person and his/her compassion to others and his/her strength of faith. (AKA a person who is strong in his/her faith isn't bothered all that much by people that disagree.....they have truth within, thus general agreement isn't required.)

A good point, well made.

Thanks.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA! Hold up there, friends! Please tell me that you've stopped to consider these options: a) He was mentally unbalanced, and that turned him into a violently religious zealot? b) He was trying to cast a bad light on Christianity? or c) He was just an arse wanting an excuse to get rid of his pathetically excessive testosterone?

Wow, personally, I am in shock that anyone would do this and dare say that is was in the name of God. _Please_ believe me when I say that no real, *stable* person would ever do such a thing--especially not if they claim to believe in any sort of God(Except for perhaps the rare few that encourage violence). It's unfair to say that all Christians are violent and stupid. Do you know how completely discriminatory that sounds? That's the same thing that has been said of African-Americans, Muslims, and countless other races and religions.

Was this guy a jerk and an idiot for attacking you? Absolutely. Are there more crazies out there like him? In all probability. Is he even close to being the norm? Not a chance! Just remember that claiming to believe a religion doesn't really change someone. Changing the way you act is a choice--and although it may be spurred by a religion, claiming a believer does not automatically imply that the person is any beter than anyone else. Remember the BTK murderer who was caught recently? He went to church. He slaughtered innocent people. Yet, he still claims to be a Christian--geez, don't make me _puke_. All I'm saying is to remember that Christianity has human anomalies, just like everyone else in the world. Guess what? Last time I checked, Christians were human. :rolleyes:

Christian = Nazi
*cough* insta-ban *cough*

Last time I checked, Christians were human. :rolleyes:
Which is why it's offensive that so many of them believe themselves to be something better.

Whomever that person was ... whatever he was ... he most assuredly was NOT a "Christian!" :(

I agree. He's about as Christian as a terrorist is Muslim.

People always pervert religion for their own selfish wants. Still, I have respect for the religion itself, and those who truly strive to become better people.

Which is why it's offensive that so many of them believe themselves to be something better.


wow...its not just me...other ppl pick up on that too..... :D

enamored valor

My topics better...
:rolleyes:

then go talk there :D

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

enamored valor

You received a 1-2 punch and a kick to the groin from a guy you call "pretty buff"

Something tells me you didn't just walk away. Hobbled, or crawled sounds better to me. Maybe even layed down on the sidewalk for a while.

Story sounds really fishy to me.
It may be true. You'd be surprised how many big guys can't throw a proper punch to save their lives. Also some little guys can throw a pretty solid one.

It may be true. You'd be surprised how many big guys can't throw a proper punch to save their lives. Also some little guys can throw a pretty solid one.

Very true. My little brother threw a very solid punch when he was younger, especially after his martial arts training. Unfortunately, I also threw a very solid punch depite being bigger, so that didn't end up being much of an advantage in his case, but perhaps if he were facing someone who was big but couldn't punch...

Not doubtful at all. A lot of Christians are far too stupid to construct a coherent argument, whereas any imbecile can punch somebody in the mouth. OMG W3 @R3 T3H N@Z1Z0RZ TH1CK0Z0RZ!!!!!!1111!!

OMG W3 @R3 T3H N@Z1Z0RZ TH1CK0Z0RZ!!!!!!1111!!
Dude, wheres my car?

Which is why it's offensive that so many of them believe themselves to be something better.

Are you talking about hypocritical people who think that by becoming Christian that they have magically become sinless?

Or are you talking about people who feel that being saved to be with Jesus for eternity is better than the fiery alternative?

Anyone who attacks someone physically without physical provocation is a very bad person in my book, except in very rare instances.

Of course, bad-mouthing a personal friend of mine is likely to provoke a definite reaction, but I would hope not a violent attack. And for all Christians, Jesus is their personal friend, in fact, He is a friend closer than a brother...

But still.The whole incident just seems very hard to believe. On the other hand, I know of a man who claims to be Christian, and prays aloud publicly by telling God what he is owed because of all he has done for God. :(

I would be afraid of a quick bolt of lightning myself...

Your sig is totally shiny, but your conclusion is somewhat flawed. Just because some posters who identify as Christian seem to think that Jesus only turned the other cheek cause he was spinning for a roundhouse kick, doesn't equate to a "mindset that it is FINE for Christians to push their world view." If this actually happened (and I've got my doubts...sounds like another "a black man stole my bike" to me), I'm sure very few Christians would champion bludgeoning another person you didn't even know. Prosthelytizing, sure, but bitch slapping? Doubtful.

Yay! My sig is shiny! I wasn't drawing the conclusion you think... at least, not in the way you seem to believe. I also agree that the incident is fairly speculative, at the moment.

I was referring to the fact that several people on the thread DO seem to have been suggesting that this guy was 'cruising for a bruising'. The 'turn the other cheek' thing doesn't equate to passive-resistance OR active violence, to me.... mor a statement of letting your opponent humiliate himself.

Maybe I'm reading it different to how it is supposed to be read, but some of the posts so far really HAVE seemed like justifying violence due to spiritual 'attack'... or some such.

Yay! My sig is shiny! I wasn't drawing the conclusion you think... at least, not in the way you seem to believe. I also agree that the incident is fairly speculative, at the moment.

I was referring to the fact that several people on the thread DO seem to have been suggesting that this guy was 'cruising for a bruising'. The 'turn the other cheek' thing doesn't equate to passive-resistance OR active violence, to me.... mor a statement of letting your opponent humiliate himself.

Maybe I'm reading it different to how it is supposed to be read, but some of the posts so far really HAVE seemed like justifying violence due to spiritual 'attack'... or some such.

Some of them may have just been pointing out that it's a bad idea to say belief system [insert name of belief system here] is mythology, a word which implies falsity in current connotative conversation.

Whatever it is, it's ridiculous. Nowhere in the Bible does it say attack someone for badmouthing God. And it's not like he said "God is a @#$&(^%$". And even if he had, it's not like there was a right to attack the guy. I wouldnt be able to do too much if I had been kicked in the junk, but I sure would have liked to have beat the guy with a crowbar. Especially over religion. That's one of the stupedest things in the world to get in a fight over. Any person who wants to inflict bodily harm on another just because they dont believe in the same invisible man as they do is a revolting human being. That guy is on the same list as the guys who did 9/11, and so is anyone who agrees with him on the 'dont diss God or you need a beatdown' part. I am aware that someone will go home and pray for the good lord to smite me, as I am an infidel. I dont really care. :mp5:

Some of them may have just been pointing out that it's a bad idea to say belief system [insert name of belief system here] is mythology, a word which implies falsity in current connotative conversation.

So - we can excuse violence because SOME christians have fists bigger than their brains? If someone doesn't understand how christianity IS 'mythology', I don't see how that justifies their violence.

then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me!
You walked away after getting kicked in the groin? Wow! I would have been on the ground for at least a few minutes.

File charges of assault and battery on the bastard :D
I seriously suggest you do this. One he might do it to the next person who says something bad about his God, and that time someone could die. You want some kid to get killed by this person because they said 'god damn' in front of them?

Take a picture of the effects of the 1-2 Punch. And Report him. For the good of all this Religious Terrorist shouldn't be allowed to continue. Yeah I call him a Terrorist. He terrorized and Attacked you for not agreeing with his Religion.

Ok, here's what happened. i was walking with my friend down a sidewalk, i forget what we were talking about, but i said christianity was mythology, then i got a 1-2 punch then a groin kick from a guy next to me! He said " Don't Ever Say Our Lord Is Mythology!" i just walked away, didnt want to piss him off, since he was pretty buff. its near impossible that guy wasnt christian. so, anyone want to comment on my story?

Hmm... that's an odd story. No Christian I know would do that... was he drunk or stoned???

ehh... all he did was knock out two teeth, the crowns didnt cost that much because of my insurance, i did a check up on my testes, no permanet damage, im just gonna leave it, but seriously, WHY THE FUCK DID HE DO THAT?!?!?!

My guess is that he was either an ex-convict who "Found Jesus" in jail, or just a really, really deranged arsehole. Maybe both. You probably look (physically) like either a specific someone or a category of someone(s) that he hates anyway, the snatch of conversation he overheard just pushed him far enough to take out his rage - on you. Wrong place, wrong time.

I'd further guess that his attack had jack-diddly to do with "Christianity", and a poopload more to do with huge psychology texts with names like "Violent Psychosis & Abberant Behavior". That is, unless you were on a sidewalk somewhere in central Idaho at the Fundamentalist Pentecostal Idiot "Jump For Jesus" rally. In which case my advice is, "Don't go there unless prepared to jump for Jesus and/or not call him a myth" :p

~FLG

Originally Posted by Blu-tac
You shouldn't have said that our Lord was mythology

OUR Lord? OUR Lord?! OUR L...

The concept of God/Allah/Jesus/Yahweh or however we refer to the concept of God being ours is truely medieaval. Clearly, the guy who attacked you was either:

a) A Crusader who fell through a wormhole, or,

b) Somebody who thinks they are Christian, yet have all the Christian conviction of a Buddhist Monk.

I rest my case.


P.S. Sue his backside off!

... or stoned???Now if the guy took the Bible literally, Ritlina could have been... :p