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I would love a bit of help on discovering if this is true. If it is, I will seriously consider withdrawing my support for this Administration on everything except Iraq ( and perhaps a very few other issues ). Got any information to verify or disprove this???

* A veterinarian appointed to head the women's health section of the Food and Drug Administration.

* A lwayer for a union-busting law firm appointed Assistant Secretary in charge of workers' health and safety.

* A timber industry lobbyist appointed as hed of the Forest Service.

* A mining industry lobbyist who believes public lands are unconstitutional in charge of public lands.

* A utility lobbyist who represented some of the worst air polluters as head of the clean air division at the Environmental Protection Agency.

* A woman whose last job was teaching corporate polluters how to evade the Environmental Superfund regulations appointed head of the Superfund.

* A Monsanto lobbyist as number 2 at the Environmental Protection Agency.

* A lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute appointed to the Council on Environmental Quality.

* A former lawyer for ChevronTexaco appointed head of the investigation into recent price gouging by oil companies.

All of these allegations have been made by a columnist named Molly Ivins.

I consider it vital to discover if the above is true. A little help here, please.

You're forgetting the appointment of a UN ambassador, who doesn't like the UN.

Anyway, I don't know whether any of these are true but...

A utility lobbyist who represented some of the worst air polluters as head of the clean air division at the Environmental Protection Agency.

...This wouldn't surprise me. You know what I saw when I was passing by the Environmental Protetion Agency building in washington? On the sidewalk, there are trees. One of these trees was half dead because there was a pipe of some kind emitting smoke into its leaves. It was probably one of the most humorous things I've ever seen and to me, it clearly indicates how serious the US is in protecting its environment (If the agency dedicated to this cannot protect its own local environment, how are they supposed to protect anything else?).

Didn't Kenneth Lay get to interview (and presumably choose) the nominees for head of the energy agency too? In the White House?

Those things would not erode my respect for Mr. Bush.

I would love a bit of help on discovering if this is true. If it is, I will seriously consider withdrawing my support for this Administration on everything except Iraq ( and perhaps a very few other issues ). Got any information to verify or disprove this???

* A veterinarian appointed to head the women's health section of the Food and Drug Administration.

* A lwayer for a union-busting law firm appointed Assistant Secretary in charge of workers' health and safety.

* A timber industry lobbyist appointed as hed of the Forest Service.

* A mining industry lobbyist who believes public lands are unconstitutional in charge of public lands.

* A utility lobbyist who represented some of the worst air polluters as head of the clean air division at the Environmental Protection Agency.

* A woman whose last job was teaching corporate polluters how to evade the Environmental Superfund regulations appointed head of the Superfund.

* A Monsanto lobbyist as number 2 at the Environmental Protection Agency.

* A lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute appointed to the Council on Environmental Quality.

* A former lawyer for ChevronTexaco appointed head of the investigation into recent price gouging by oil companies.

All of these allegations have been made by a columnist named Molly Ivins.

I consider it vital to discover if the above is true. A little help here, please.

Yes, a veterinarian was appointed to the Office of Women's Health at the FDA:

FDA Commissioner Lester Crawford has appointed a man who has spent the majority of his career in the office of veterinary medicine to the position of acting director of the Office of Women's Health at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Dr. Norris Alderson will replace Dr. Susan Wood, a key women's health expert, who resigned on August 31 in protest of the FDA's handling of the application to make Plan B emergency contraception (EC) available over the counter.

Here's his bio:
Norris Alderson, Associate Commissioner for Science, FDA
Norris Alderson received a B.S. in Animal Husbandry from the University of Tennessee and a M.S. and Ph.D. from the University of Kentucky. He joined the FDA in 1971 as a reviewer in the Bureau of Veterinary Medicine (BVM). Beginning in 1980, he held a number of management positions in the BVM research organization culminating in the position of Director, Office of Research, Center for Veterinary Medicine, a position he held from 1988 to 2001. In July 2001, he became Acting Senior Advisor for Science, FDA, and Acting Director, Office of Science Coordination and Communication, responsible for the Office of Good Clinical Practice, the Counter Terrorism Staff, and the Science Coordination and Communication Staff. In May 2002, he was appointed Senior Associate Commissioner for Science, FDA and Director, Office of Science and Health Coordination. In November 2002, the position title was changed to Associate Commissioner for Science. In this position, his responsibilities include the Office of Orphan Products Development, the Office of Women's Health, the Office of Good Clinical Practice, the Science Coordination Staff, and standards coordination. Dr. Alderson retired from the U.S. Army Reserve in 1997 with the rank of Colonel.


So this man's formal education is in Animal Husbandry and he spent 30 of his 34 years in the real world working on Veterinary Medicine.

* A veterinarian appointed to head the women's health section of the Food and Drug Administration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901576.html

Dude--none of this is news. These are old stories that have been bouncing around for years now. Take heart, though--the first one on your list was rescinded after a lot of outcry from women's groups, and lately, the some truly moderate Senate republicans have been making noises about some other appointments. Not that that excuses Bush any for making the appointments in the first place, but at least it shows that a handful of Republican Senators give a shit again.

* A lwayer for a union-busting law firm appointed Assistant Secretary in charge of workers' health and safety.

I cannot find any info on his legal history, but the gentleman you are referring to, Ed Foulke, helped raise 1.6 million dollars for Bush's reelection campaign according to his own website.

In more recent news, Mr. Bush has asked me to serve as his personal psychiatric health advisor. :D

Yes, a veterinarian was appointed to the Office of Women's Health at the FDA:

FDA Commissioner Lester Crawford has appointed a man who has spent the majority of his career in the office of veterinary medicine to the position of acting director of the Office of Women's Health at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Dr. Norris Alderson will replace Dr. Susan Wood, a key women's health expert, who resigned on August 31 in protest of the FDA's handling of the application to make Plan B emergency contraception (EC) available over the counter.

Here's his bio:
Norris Alderson, Associate Commissioner for Science, FDA
Norris Alderson received a B.S. in Animal Husbandry from the University of Tennessee and a M.S. and Ph.D. from the University of Kentucky. He joined the FDA in 1971 as a reviewer in the Bureau of Veterinary Medicine (BVM). Beginning in 1980, he held a number of management positions in the BVM research organization culminating in the position of Director, Office of Research, Center for Veterinary Medicine, a position he held from 1988 to 2001. In July 2001, he became Acting Senior Advisor for Science, FDA, and Acting Director, Office of Science Coordination and Communication, responsible for the Office of Good Clinical Practice, the Counter Terrorism Staff, and the Science Coordination and Communication Staff. In May 2002, he was appointed Senior Associate Commissioner for Science, FDA and Director, Office of Science and Health Coordination. In November 2002, the position title was changed to Associate Commissioner for Science. In this position, his responsibilities include the Office of Orphan Products Development, the Office of Women's Health, the Office of Good Clinical Practice, the Science Coordination Staff, and standards coordination. Dr. Alderson retired from the U.S. Army Reserve in 1997 with the rank of Colonel.


So this man's formal education is in Animal Husbandry and he spent 30 of his 34 years in the real world working on Veterinary Medicine.considering for 2+ years the Office of Women's Health fell under his field of responsibilities... and the supposed appointment was an "acting Director" which usually means "until a qualified person is brought on board"... I have a feeling he was a band-aid appointment (and not by President Bush btw.)

however, since the Washington Post article claims the FDA didn't make such an appointment...

In more recent news, Mr. Bush has asked me to serve as his personal psychiatric health advisor. :DKewl.... any jobs you can "convince" him to give me? :D

http://www.jacksonlewis.com/attorneys/vattorney.cfm?aid=456
Edwin G. Foulke, Secretary of Labor, Jr. Partner Jackson-Lewis.

I haven't read the article, but I a couple of those sound familiar from other places. I'll list the ones I remember.

* A timber industry lobbyist appointed as hed of the Forest Service.I'm pretty sure I've seen this one before

* A utility lobbyist who represented some of the worst air polluters as head of the clean air division at the Environmental Protection Agency.I know I've heard this one before

* A lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute appointed to the Council on Environmental Quality.I think I've heard of this one.

The source was in a book I read, I think it was one of Al Franken's. It talked about corporate sponsorship of govenmental departments, and how the automotive industry sponsors the clean air board, the chemical industry sponsors the Wetlands commission and stuff like this.

considering for 2+ years the Office of Women's Health fell under his field of responsibilities... and the supposed appointment was an "acting Director" which usually means "until a qualified person is brought on board"... I have a feeling he was a band-aid appointment (and not by President Bush btw.)

however, since the Washington Post article claims the FDA didn't make such an appointment...
Hey, I was just answering the man's question. I've got to admit, as a female it was a little offensive to me that ANYBODY would appoint even a "band-aid" appointment to that post, but that's just because I have the uppity notion that women are human beings. I don't blame Bush for it, because I know he doesn't pick any of "his" appointments anyhow, I just think it was a serious fuck-you gesture toward the female citizens of this country. I mean, come on people, let's just think these things through a tiny bit, shall we?

Kewl.... any jobs you can "convince" him to give me? :D

Um.... speech writer?

Um.... speech writer?
Dude, that's the one position the Bush administration takes seriously. Try something else.

Hey, I was just answering the man's question. I've got to admit, as a female it was a little offensive to me that ANYBODY would appoint even a "band-aid" appointment to that post, but that's just because I have the uppity notion that women are human beings. I don't blame Bush for it, because I know he doesn't pick any of "his" appointments anyhow, I just think it was a serious fuck-you gesture toward the female citizens of this country. I mean, come on people, let's just think these things through a tiny bit, shall we?all I was doing was seriously weighing both posts... yours and the one from the Washinton post. I apologize if it looked like an attack, It wasn't meant to be.

and since the Department of Women's health was under his "responsiblities" such procedures of temporarily filling such gaps are common everywhere. Normally it's a figurehead to keep order until a replacement is found. It's not like he was going to head the Department and make policies, just keep it running until a replacement was found. thus the term "Acting Director" It's when his job title removes the work "Acting" that everyone needs to start worrying.

However, since a more qualified person was appointed, the argument, as well as the animal doctor... is moot.

Peace?

Dude, that's the one position the Bush administration takes seriously. Try something else.speech writer... nah...

but I would be happy to help him with his Impromtu speaking skills. :D

Then again, if he was actually reading the scrips for some of those "Bushism" then I say Fire the Speech writers and I'll take the job. :D

snip

You know, appointing a veterinarian to the head of women's health could be taken another way.

Those things would not erode my respect for Mr. Bush.
Precisely ... because you have none. :rolleyes:

So this man's formal education is in Animal Husbandry and he spent 30 of his 34 years in the real world working on Veterinary Medicine.
Sheesh! WTF, over??? :(

all I was doing was seriously weighing both posts... yours and the one from the Washinton post. I apologize if it looked like an attack, It wasn't meant to be.

and since the Department of Women's health was under his "responsiblities" such procedures of temporarily filling such gaps are common everywhere. Normally it's a figurehead to keep order until a replacement is found. It's not like he was going to head the Department and make policies, just keep it running until a replacement was found. thus the term "Acting Director" It's when his job title removes the work "Acting" that everyone needs to start worrying.

However, since a more qualified person was appointed, the argument, as well as the animal doctor... is moot.

Peace?
Oops, guess I came off as angry, too! Well durn it, we're both coming off as more hostile than we intended :).

Peace most certainly accepted.

I wasn't even really "mad" about that appointment, just kind of shaking my head in disgust. It's one of those PR things, really...I mean, how do you THINK women are going to feel about it, dudes? Silly, silly FDA. But you're right, they've ditched that appointment for the long term, so no permanent harm done.

In more recent news, Mr. Bush has asked me to serve as his personal psychiatric health advisor. :D
Oh, God! Well, soon Dick Chaney will be President and we will all have to live with the consequences of your intervention! [ sobs ] :D

Oh, God! Well, soon Dick Chaney will be President and we will all have to live with the consequences of your intervention! [ sobs ] :D
Haven't you been reading the papers? Dick Cheney is at Death's door! Maybe his reanimated corpse can take over as President, but how can we be sure what kind of CiC Zombie Dick will make?

So this man's formal education is in Animal Husbandry and he spent 30 of his 34 years in the real world working on Veterinary Medicine.

Aye, but vets are smarter than doctors, which is why my cat has an aids vaccination, and I still can't get one.

It will be alot easier to research this if given names, in other words: using this list.

http://prorev.com/bush2a.htm

Oh, God! Well, soon Dick Chaney will be President and we will all have to live with the consequences of your intervention! [ sobs ] :DPresident Dick... :D

http://www.jacksonlewis.com/attorneys/vattorney.cfm?aid=456
Edwin G. Foulke, Secretary of Labor, Jr. Partner Jackson-Lewis.
This site doesn't list his various positions, so it doesn't clarify whether he was a lawyer for a law firm advising corporations on maintaining a union-free environment. However ... "Member, Knights of Malta???" WTF, over? :confused:

How much German do you have to speak, and how much diplomatic experience do you have to have to be ambassador to Germany?

None--You have to inherit a bunch of money and donate a bunch of it to the OHIO campaign.

How much German do you have to speak, and how much diplomatic experience do you have to have to be ambassador to Germany?

None--You have to inherit a bunch of money and donate a bunch of it to the OHIO campaign.
thats true of the ambassadorship of every european country. they are all political plums that are always given out to big money supporters of whatever president is in office at the time.

I haven't read the article, but I a couple of those sound familiar from other places. I'll list the ones I remember.

The source was in a book I read, I think it was one of Al Franken's. It talked about corporate sponsorship of govenmental departments, and how the automotive industry sponsors the clean air board, the chemical industry sponsors the Wetlands commission and stuff like this.
"Al Franken???" OMG! Well, there's one source I won't be checking! :(

Oil of course is the big one. We'll leave Bush and Cheney out of it for the moment, and take for example, the secretary of commerce, Don Evans. In his position, one of the things he is in charge of is the Nation Oceanic and Atmospheric admisitration. Now lets just think quickly, have oil or other petrochemical products ever polluted the air or water? I think they might have.
Condaleeza Rice also had a 130,000-ton oil tanker named after her.

Tommy Thompson is the Secretary of Health and Human Services. He recieved $72,000 dollars in campaign contributions from Phillip Morris. He also was on the advisory board of the Washington Legal Fund as it filed briefs on behalf of those who would promote smoking, and he sold his Phillip Morris stock for somewhere between 15 and 50 grand. That means the head of the freaking health wing of the government is basicly in the pocket of Big Tobacco.
Another person in a similar situation is Karl Rove. He advised Phillip Morris, and got $3000 a month for letting them know what was going on in the Governor's office in the time running up to GWB's first election

How about Gale Norton? Secretary of the interior, she declared the Endangered Species Act unconstitutional. She used to write legal opinions against the National Environmental Protection act while working for a conservative think tank that was funded by (you guessed it) oil companies. She also lobbied for National Lead while it defended itself against lawsuits over children's exposure to lead paint. AND she chared the Coalition of Republican Environmental Advocates (judging by this list I think they hold their annual meeting in a phone booth), which is a group funded by Ford and BP Amoco, which is another oil company.

"Al Franken???" OMG! Well, there's one source I won't be checking! :(
Yeah, but for all that he's partisan, even the right agree that he does check his facts.

... come on people, let's just think these things through a tiny bit, shall we?
I'm trying to do just that.

President Dick... :D
ROFLMFAO!! You nut! :D

thats true of the ambassadorship of every european country. they are all political plums that are always given out to big money supporters of whatever president is in office at the time.
Actually that's not true. Usually the ambassadors to the big countries, say the G20 or thereabouts, are serious appointments of qualified people. Usually its only Micronesia and Paraguay and Bulgaria which get the political ambassadors.

Actually that's not true. Usually the ambassadors to the big countries, say the G20 or thereabouts, are serious appointments of qualified people. Usually its only Micronesia and Paraguay and Bulgaria which get the political ambassadors.
You forgot UN

You forgot UN

You forgot Poland.

goddamn most of you americans are sad as shit :rolleyes:

your president shouldnt have even got into power in the first place, he appoints people that will be his little puppet so what ever he wants, he gets. he has started illegal wars without UN approval and in doing so, brought america's allies in the line of fire as well....

if you ask me, you really need to wake up and elect a woman as president....atleast then you'd have some common sense in your leader :rolleyes: not only should you get a women in power, you should arrest bush and all the other leaders that went to war with the usa and charge them with crimes against humanity and for every person that died, they should get 20 years in prison...just saw that the death toll for american troops in iraq is now over 2000, thats alot of years for a person and no-one deserves it more than bush...

This site doesn't list his various positions, so it doesn't clarify whether he was a lawyer for a law firm advising corporations on maintaining a union-free environment. However ... "Member, Knights of Malta???" WTF, over? :confused:
http://www.jacksonlewis.com/attorneys/pSearch.cfm?ln=f&SearchType=0

goddamn most of you americans are sad as shit :rolleyes:

your president shouldnt have even got into power in the first place, he appoints people that will be his little puppet so what ever he wants, he gets. he has started illegal wars without UN approval and in doing so, brought america's allies in the line of fire as well....

if you ask me, you really need to wake up and elect a woman as president....atleast then you'd have some common sense in your leader :rolleyes: not only should you get a women in power, you should arrest bush and all the other leaders that went to war with the usa and charge them with crimes against humanity and for every person that died, they should get 20 years in prison...just saw that the death toll for american troops in iraq is now over 2000, thats alot of years for a person and no-one deserves it more than bush...
A woman? You mean like the Governor of Louisiana? The same woman who was so indecisive about Katrina that she may have caused untold suffering and perhaps a number of deaths? Hmmm.

A woman? You mean like the Governor of Louisiana? The same woman who was so indecisive about Katrina that she may have caused untold suffering and perhaps a number of deaths? Hmmm.

Dude, a woman would be ace. As long as she is like Margret Thatcher.

Dude, a woman would be ace. As long as she is like Margret Thatcher.
LOL! Well, just as long as she doesn't LOOK like Margaret Thatcher! :D

LOL! Well, just as long as she doesn't LOOK like Margaret Thatcher! :D

Hmpph, well for your information sir, I found her quite attractive in her younger days.

Maggie rocks.

Actually that's not true. Usually the ambassadors to the big countries, say the G20 or thereabouts, are serious appointments of qualified people. Usually its only Micronesia and Paraguay and Bulgaria which get the political ambassadors.


You forgot Canada.

Hey, I was just answering the man's question. I've got to admit, as a female it was a little offensive to me that ANYBODY would appoint even a "band-aid" appointment to that post, but that's just because I have the uppity notion that women are human beings. I don't blame Bush for it, because I know he doesn't pick any of "his" appointments anyhow, I just think it was a serious fuck-you gesture toward the female citizens of this country. I mean, come on people, let's just think these things through a tiny bit, shall we?But oftentimes those gestures are unintentional. My town once announced that Bill Cosby was coming to preform or be recognized for something, I forget. On the flyer, it said, "He's just like a fovourite uncle" (no joke).
What decisions the guy made while he was head of the womens health division of the FDA are what counts.

Hmpph, well for your information sir, I found her quite attractive in her younger days.

Maggie rocks.I do.
She, however, really, really doesn't.

I would love a bit of help on discovering if this is true. If it is, I will seriously consider withdrawing my support for this Administration on everything except Iraq ( and perhaps a very few other issues ). Got any information to verify or disprove this???

Here is a copy of the original article.
http://www.tracypress.com/voice/2005-09-23-ivins.php

Most of these are confirmed in the following NYTimes article.
http://www.janda.org/b20/News%20articles/Bushnominees.htm

And this essay by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
http://innerself.com/Essays/kennedy_10244.htm


* A veterinarian appointed to head the women's health section of the Food and Drug Administration.

True. already confirmed in this thread.

* A lwayer for a union-busting law firm appointed Assistant Secretary in charge of workers' health and safety.

* A timber industry lobbyist appointed as hed of the Forest Service.

True, his name is Mark Rey.
http://www.nativeforest.org/campaigns/public_lands/rey_5_30_02.htm
http://www.defenders.org/newsroom/rey.html
http://www.ourforests.org/fact/mark_rey.pdf

* A mining industry lobbyist who believes public lands are unconstitutional in charge of public lands.

True. J. Steven Griles, deputy secretary of the interior, is a former mining industry lobbyist

* A utility lobbyist who represented some of the worst air polluters as head of the clean air division at the Environmental Protection Agency.

True.

* A woman whose last job was teaching corporate polluters how to evade the Environmental Superfund regulations appointed head of the Superfund.

True.

* A Monsanto lobbyist as number 2 at the Environmental Protection Agency.

True.

* A lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute appointed to the Council on Environmental Quality.


True. Philip Cooney, although he recently resigned due to evidence that he routinely edited government climate change reports.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,11319,1502486,00.html
http://www.whistleblower.org/content/press_detail.cfm?press_id=181

* A former lawyer for ChevronTexaco appointed head of the investigation into recent price gouging by oil companies.

True

All of these allegations have been made by a columnist named Molly Ivins.

I consider it vital to discover if the above is true. A little help here, please.

Molly Ivins doesn't need to make this shit up. It is true.

I'll look for more independent evidence later.

I do.
She, however, really, really doesn't.
ROFLMAO!! :D

So, Eutrusca--you've had the proof presented to you in this thread, by multiple posters. Care to enlighten us as to what exactly "seriously erode my support for President Bush" actually entails?

Here is a copy of the original article.
http://www.tracypress.com/voice/2005-09-23-ivins.php

Most of these are confirmed in the following NYTimes article.
http://www.janda.org/b20/News%20articles/Bushnominees.htm

And this essay by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
http://innerself.com/Essays/kennedy_10244.htm

True. already confirmed in this thread.

True, his name is Mark Rey.
http://www.nativeforest.org/campaigns/public_lands/rey_5_30_02.htm
http://www.defenders.org/newsroom/rey.html
http://www.ourforests.org/fact/mark_rey.pdf

True. J. Steven Griles, deputy secretary of the interior, is a former mining industry lobbyist

True.

True.

True.

True. Philip Cooney, although he recently resigned due to evidence that he routinely edited government climate change reports.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,11319,1502486,00.html
http://www.whistleblower.org/content/press_detail.cfm?press_id=181

True

Molly Ivins doesn't need to make this shit up. It is true.

I'll look for more independent evidence later.
Thank you. Very good start.

I'm currently rethinking virtually everything. I knew this Administration wasn't environmentally friendly, but this goes way beyond that. I smell even more money influence than I suspected. :(

So, Eutrusca--you've had the proof presented to you in this thread, by multiple posters. Care to enlighten us as to what exactly "seriously erode my support for President Bush" actually entails?
( see my last post, above )

( see my last post, above )
Glad to hear it. The other side isn't as dark as you think it is.

A woman? You mean like the Governor of Louisiana? The same woman who was so indecisive about Katrina that she may have caused untold suffering and perhaps a number of deaths? Hmmm.It's not because she's a woman that she did such a shit job of handling that.

In more recent news, Mr. Bush has asked me to serve as his personal psychiatric health advisor. :D
And of course you told him that he was nuts? :)

Thank you. Very good start.

I'm currently rethinking virtually everything. I knew this Administration wasn't environmentally friendly, but this goes way beyond that. I smell even more money influence than I suspected. :(

My political estimation of you (I've always thought that under your crusty conservative candy-coating there lurked a cool guy,) has increased immensely.

My extreme distaste for the Bush administration is exactly because of this extremely corrupt, uber-cronyistic, corporation above all else approach. This stuff is so much worse for the country than any ideological differences could possibly be.

In more recent news, Mr. Bush has asked me to serve as his personal psychiatric health advisor. :D

That's absurd. He may indeed hire a lunatic to head up a mental health service, but he draws the line at being an admited anything. ;)

It's not because she's a woman that she did such a shit job of handling that.
LOL! True, true. :D

This stuff is so much worse for the country than any ideological differences could possibly be.
In the long run, you are correct.

Now you know why I really, really, do not like this administration. Especially in the case of the EPA, it is close to, or perhaps even is, conflict of interest, the way I see it, and that's just not ok, no matter what their ideological views are.

So, Eutrusca--you've had the proof presented to you in this thread, by multiple posters. Care to enlighten us as to what exactly "seriously erode my support for President Bush" actually entails?
I can only assumine it entails not voting for him in the next election.

Those are probably all true.

We from WI noticed that he appointed our governor Tommy Thompson
as head of Health & Human Services. The reason?
Because while in power he did a great job of kicking people off of public assistance. "welfare as we know it". Not many people had heard of
corporate welfare at the time, and didn't realize that most people
receiving help were children and elderly.

He wasn't involved in anything to do with fighting disease or
innovative ways to make sure the homeless had a roof over their heads.

Ending public assistance to those that needed it.



Then there was Tom Ridge, Gov of Philly
to head of Homeland Sec.
Ridge made sure Mumia Abu-Jamal go anywhere but in a jail
cell despite 29, count them, 29 constitutional violations in his
court case.


Every appointment was pretty much the opposite of
the section they were to head.

Labor?
How to manage it for the corporate cronies.
Not make sure negotiations between workers collectively and democratically
(from their end) bargin with their bosses.

I can only assumine it entails not voting for him in the next election.

He has no choice in that matter.

Actually that's not true. Usually the ambassadors to the big countries, say the G20 or thereabouts, are serious appointments of qualified people. Usually its only Micronesia and Paraguay and Bulgaria which get the political ambassadors.


Really?

So sending a political pal with no foreign service experience (http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/04/27/wilkins-050427.html) to be the ambassador to your largest trading partner doesn't count?

Now you know why I really, really, do not like this administration. Especially in the case of the EPA, it is close to, or perhaps even is, conflict of interest, the way I see it, and that's just not ok, no matter what their ideological views are.
I agree. As I said, I've known for quite some time that this Administration is somewhat .... less than evniromentally friendly, and that has been a source of serious concern to me. :(

I can only assumine it entails not voting for him in the next election.
Ha. Ha. Ha.

You know, I would have thought that even you would be pleased to see someone you consider to have a decidedly conservative bent reassess their thinking on this Administration, or at the very least be somewhat amused at the fact. Obviously, I was incorrect in that thinking.

A new one for your list:

Julie Myers was just nominated as the new head of immigration and customs enforcement at the Homeland Security Department. Her qualifications? Ms. Myers is the niece of Gen. Richard Myers and has just married the chief of staff for the homeland security secretary, Michael Chertoff.

Other than that, well, does serving as an associate counsel under Kenneth Starr during the costly and doomed prosecution of Susan McDougal count?

No?

Oh well, thanks to all her connections she now gets to run an agency with more than 20,000 employees and a $4 billion budget that is the first line of defence at your border checkpoints.


GW: The guy who campaigned as the one who could keep America safe. :rolleyes:

Well some of it is true, I know your a Bush supporter and each to their own. But he's always been like that. I've always thought he was too cavalier for the job. People will always employ their own. Its not the most moral thing to do, but it happens. Its fine tho if they can genuinely do the job, in most cases as we have seen with the head of FEMA

He has no choice in that matter.
My point exactly.

Well some of it is true, I know your a Bush supporter and each to their own. But he's always been like that. I've always thought he was too cavalier for the job. People will always employ their own. Its not the most moral thing to do, but it happens. Its fine tho if they can genuinely do the job, in most cases as we have seen with the head of FEMA
Was this posted before you were finished or something? It seemed to end in the middle of a sentance.

Really?

So sending a political pal with no foreign service experience (http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/04/27/wilkins-050427.html) to be the ambassador to your largest trading partner doesn't count?
I can see how Affirmative Action has played a huge role in all of these patronage appointments!! :rolleyes:

You know, I notice a smidgen of my fellow Americans of a somewhat liberal nature or those that are simply rather dubious about the Bush administration are perhaps giving Eut here a harder time than he deserves considering his rather open-minded admission.

God, that sentence is horrible. Oh well.

You know, I notice a smidgen of my fellow Americans of a somewhat liberal nature or those that are simply rather dubious about the Bush administration are perhaps giving Eut here a harder time than he deserves considering his rather open-minded admission.
Admission of what? That he finally recognizes the cronyism and purposefully backwards appointments that have been going on since the very first year of the Bush adminsitration as bad? This is the second year, he can't run again. Your support for the Bush administration is 1000% irrelevant, yes I mean one thousand. Any Republican wanting to get into the White House at the next election is making sure to seperate themselves from Bush.

Admission of what? That he finally recognizes the cronyism and purposefully backwards appointments that have been going on since the very first year of the Bush adminsitration as bad? This is the second year, he can't run again. Your support for the Bush administration is 1000% irrelevant, yes I mean one thousand. Any Republican wanting to get into the White House at the next election is making sure to seperate themselves from Bush.

Better late than never.

You know, I notice a smidgen of my fellow Americans of a somewhat liberal nature or those that are simply rather dubious about the Bush administration are perhaps giving Eut here a harder time than he deserves considering his rather open-minded admission.

God, that sentence is horrible. Oh well.
Thank you. Your convoluted sentance structure is forgiven. :D

Better late than never.
In cases where it matters only. If you realize you can't fly after jumping off the cliff, well, you're pretty screwed.

Molly Ivins is hilarious. :D

Molly Ivins is hilarious. :D
The article by her that I quoted from was, as far as I know, the very first one of hers I have ever read.

I would love a bit of help on discovering if this is true. If it is, I will seriously consider withdrawing my support for this Administration on everything except Iraq ( and perhaps a very few other issues ). Got any information to verify or disprove this???

* A veterinarian appointed to head the women's health section of the Food and Drug Administration.

* A lwayer for a union-busting law firm appointed Assistant Secretary in charge of workers' health and safety.

* A timber industry lobbyist appointed as hed of the Forest Service.

* A mining industry lobbyist who believes public lands are unconstitutional in charge of public lands.

* A utility lobbyist who represented some of the worst air polluters as head of the clean air division at the Environmental Protection Agency.

* A woman whose last job was teaching corporate polluters how to evade the Environmental Superfund regulations appointed head of the Superfund.

* A Monsanto lobbyist as number 2 at the Environmental Protection Agency.

* A lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute appointed to the Council on Environmental Quality.

* A former lawyer for ChevronTexaco appointed head of the investigation into recent price gouging by oil companies.

All of these allegations have been made by a columnist named Molly Ivins.

I consider it vital to discover if the above is true. A little help here, please.
First off, the head of an agency is more of an administrator than a skilled worker, so whatever their career background, what matters is if they do this job well. The one with veterinarian background may have administrative and managerial skills to make him or her qualified to head up the women's health section of the Food and Drug Administration.

One that stood out for me was the Environmental Superfund job: that sounds like a very good move, as the person knowledgeable in evading the regulations would be the perfect person to safeguard the Superfund, and perhaps help strengthen the regulations from the inside.

As for the jobs filled by people with publicly stated contradictory beliefs, well if they didn't think they could do the job they shouldn't have accepted the appointment. They'll be held accountable, like anyone else in that job.

First off, the head of an agency is more of an administrator than a skilled worker, so whatever their career background, what matters is if they do this job well. The one with veterinarian background may have administrative and managerial skills to make him or her qualified to head up the women's health section of the Food and Drug Administration.

One that stood out for me was the Environmental Superfund job: that sounds like a very good move, as the person knowledgeable in evading the regulations would be the perfect person to safeguard the Superfund, and perhaps help strengthen the regulations from the inside.

As for the jobs filled by people with publicly stated contradictory beliefs, well if they didn't think they could do the job they shouldn't have accepted the appointment. They'll be held accountable, like anyone else in that job.
That's an awful lot of "shoulds" and "oughts." The pattern of appointees and their backgrounds for the positions I listed in the original post does not bode well for what you hope. :(

First off, the head of an agency is more of an administrator than a skilled worker, so whatever their career background, what matters is if they do this job well. The one with veterinarian background may have administrative and managerial skills to make him or her qualified to head up the women's health section of the Food and Drug Administration.

Are you really listening to what you're saying? I'm sorry, but that is simply having too low of standards and being way too much of an apologist. Do you really think the head of an agency doesn't have their own opinions and just rubber stamps things?

One that stood out for me was the Environmental Superfund job: that sounds like a very good move, as the person knowledgeable in evading the regulations would be the perfect person to safeguard the Superfund, and perhaps help strengthen the regulations from the inside.

Kinda like hiring a thief to make your security system. Good idea...as long as you KNOW the thief is rehabilitated.

As for the jobs filled by people with publicly stated contradictory beliefs, well if they didn't think they could do the job they shouldn't have accepted the appointment. They'll be held accountable, like anyone else in that job.

How can the head of the EPA be held accountable when they are the head and they are completely supported by the Whitehouse? Unlike Katrina, ill results don't always make a big splash and make headlines. It just ends up being money wasted and shittier air...that we as taxpayers have to pay for if it needs fixing down the road.

Unlike Katrina, ill results don't always make a big splash and make headlines. It just ends up being money wasted and shittier air...that we as taxpayers have to pay for if it needs fixing down the road.
And in illnesses among our progeny and their progeny. :(

And in illnesses among our progeny and their progeny. :(

Pollution now is a high interest credit card bill for the future. Almost literally.

*can't contribute much to the discussion because she isn't in the mood to do too much research but wants to give her respect to eutrusca for keeping a flexible mind and basing his decision as far as political support goes on actual, researched facts* -> take 10 respect points if you like