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I was just reading about this, and you can print out and mail a petition signed by people you know at http://www.saveairsoft.org/ , But why are they attempting to ban it ?

From http://www.airsoftcore.com/

On the 8th of June 2005, the government unveiled plans to prohibit the sale, manufacture import and distribution of ALL replica firearms in the UK, this now falls under the “ Violent Crime Reduction Bill ” and unfortunately our beloved hobby and the guns we use to play our sport are in jeopardy.
In response to these actions we have created this website and with the help of Airsoft games sites, retailers, collectors, gamers and enthusiasts from around the UK we hope the unite the Airsoft community under a single banner.

The purpose of this unification to the let the government know that the sport of Airsofting is a perfectly safe and respectable pastime that contributes to reducing crime by taking young people off the streets and giving them a safe, active and fun hobby that anyone can enjoy.

"Violent Crime Reduction Bill"

An Orwellian name if ever I heard one.

From http://www.airsoftcore.com/

the government unveiled plans to prohibit the sale, manufacture import and distribution of ALL replica firearms in the UK,

For what reason ?, so people can't rob a bank with a squirt gun ?

For what reason ?, so people can't rob a bank with a squirt gun ?

I'm no airsofter, but I could buy a replica of sword next week and use it hurt people. A replica gun would pretty useless as you can only "scare" people unless you use it to whack people.

This is months old now, it bans ALL replica guns, a piece of lego shaped like a gun will be banned, a £1 novelty toy gun that goes "rat-tat-tat-tat" will be banned, airsoft will be banned, replicas will be harder to get than real guns, therfore real gun crime will go up, idiotic decision by the goverment.

Any replica guns you own you can still use, they're just banning sale and import of replicas.

But ban a pastime airsoft gun, but a person can go out and buy swords and knifes ? Britian is so stupid.

Here is another thing:

Because of restrictions, the British Pistol Team are only allowed to train in Sweden, its a total discrace. (from Saveairsoft.org)

hey hey hey, so im going to have to buy a real gun rather than an air rifle to shoot rabbits.

BBC article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/4686161.stm

it bans ALL replica guns, a piece of lego shaped like a gun will be banned

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The governement is afraid of Criminals armed with lego's ??

No no no it can't be banned and i know why.

a few weeks ago, a local council planned an airsoft match between chavs and goths in an attempt to get them off the streets and solve their disputes in a safe game.

If airsoft had been banned then this would have been illegal and not published in the newspaper.

Ha Ha

You guys can't even have toy guns now.

We're not the only one getting our guns taken away, y'know...

Just paint them orange and claim they arn't replicas because when was the last time you saw an orange gun?

The governement is afraid of Criminals armed with lego's ??

Criminals?!

What makes you think this has anything to do with criminals? (Apart from arbitrarily reclassifying people who've harmed no one elses life, liberty, or property as criminals)

Well, I do see a point in this. There have been cases where people were robbed with replica guns which they thought were real. There've even been cases where police opened fire and killed people threatening them, and when the coroner comes they discover the gun was a replica.

And geez, read the article. It does say they're considering an exception for paintball, though I honestly don't really get how pretending to kill other people is in any way a wholesome activity, and only realistic guns would be banned, not plastic kids' toys.

Since banning real firearms has had no measurable effect on violent crime, it is impossible to see how banning replicas will have an effect.

honestly don't really get how pretending to kill other people is in any way a wholesome activity

Bully for you, no reason to ruin it for anyone else.

....Heh. Cute.

A couple of people have been shot by police (remember the guy with a gun shaped lighter?). I suspose the government have figured lives are worth more than airsoft

If airsoft had been banned then this would have been illegal and not published in the newspaper.

1: it's not been banned yet
2: you can still use any guns you own after the ban
3: therfore airsoft games will still be legal.


Well, I do see a point in this. There have been cases where people were robbed with replica guns which they thought were real..

1: threatening someone with a replica carrys the same punishment as threatening someone with a real firearm, so when the sale and import of replicas are banned, it'll be easier to buy a real gun than a replica, would you rather be robbed with a real gun or a replica?
2: therfore gun crime will go up


There've even been cases where police opened fire and killed people threatening them, and when the coroner comes they discover the gun was a replica.

Anyone who threatens someone with a firearm, replica or not, deserves to be killed.


and only realistic guns would be banned, not plastic kids' toys.

I'm an airsofter and we've spent months dealing with this VCR bill, all replicas will be banned, that includes childrens toys.

Just paint them orange and claim they arn't replicas because when was the last time you saw an orange gun?

They do that in america, orange muzzles, the criminals end up painting the muzzle of their real guns orange, the police can hesitate thinking it may be a replica, and get shot, if they shoot him and it turns out it was a replica, everyone is calling them murdering scum, the poor guys can't win.


I suspose the government have figured lives are worth more than airsoft

Most of these "lives" are criminal scum.

I was just reading about this, and you can print out and mail a petition signed by people you know at http://www.saveairsoft.org/

We've allready been doing this, they're ignoring it, a lot of members of parliment made petitions and tried to stop the goverment banning handguns years ago, that made no difference what so ever, and the sad truth is, neither will airsofters petitions make any difference.

but as long as us airsofters stock up on all the guns we want before they ban them, we'll still be able to go skirmishing etc for a long time yet, the sport will eventually die out though when people lose intrest, or we just eventually all die...

I was just reading about this, and you can print out and mail a petition signed by people you know at http://www.saveairsoft.org/ , But why are they attempting to ban it ?

dunno. i'm just glad i'm in the US of A

A couple of people have been shot by police (remember the guy with a gun shaped lighter?). I suspose the government have figured lives are worth more than airsoft
Do you really think it's the government's job to decide that?

A couple of people have been shot by police (remember the guy with a gun shaped lighter?). I suspose the government have figured lives are worth more than airsoft

I don't see how banning airsoft will eliminate idiocy.

Do you really think it's the government's job to decide that?

Yes, it's a different society really. I don't see tighter governent controls on things as intrusion on me. I don't see the value of these models if lives could be saved.

I don't see how banning airsoft will eliminate idiocy.

This isn't an anti-airsoft law. It's just a consequence, stopping these replicas is worth it if it even makes a tiny difference.

So it's a good thing I began working to perfect my cucumber-shaped gun? :)

And geez, read the article. It does say they're considering an exception for paintball, though I honestly don't really get how pretending to kill other people is in any way a wholesome activity, and only realistic guns would be banned, not plastic kids' toys.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/electionissues/a/assault.htm

How would they be able to tell whether or not it's a "realistic" gun or not?
That's just like when the U.S. made a law prohibit things that "looked" like flash suppressors or were very conspicuous on a gun. So basically, if a gun that has a flash suppressor that doesn't look like it has a flash suppressor, it's O.K.

Also, would it be better for people to be actually killing each other?

woh, didn't see that last post made by Warzors. Good points.

This isn't an anti-airsoft law. It's just a consequence, stopping these replicas is worth it if it even makes a tiny difference.

Pratically everything in the world causes deaths, deliberately or accidently, shall we ban everything aswell just to save a few lives?

All this law is going to do if anything, is increase the number of criminal owned firearms, since they'll end up easier to get than replicas.

Personally I don't give a crap if replicas are banned and I doubt 99% of Britons will - we just don't have the same obsession with guns over here that you do in America.

Pratically everything in the world causes deaths, deliberately or accidently, shall we ban everything aswell just to save a few lives?

All this law is going to do if anything, is increase the number of criminal owned firearms, since they'll end up easier to get than replicas.

Give me another example of something with such minimal benefit with the same potential consequences that is legal?

minimal benefit

Minimal benefit in your opinion, want me to come try and kill your hobby because a few idiots died because of something related to it?


Give me another example of something with such minimal benefit with the same potential consequences that is legal?

drinking alcohol and smoking kill far more people, they kill more than most things, and they're no more useful than replica guns, but people enjoy it, but people also try and kill each other when they do to much of it, shall we ban them two things aswell??

This isn't an anti-airsoft law. It's just a consequence, stopping these replicas is worth it if it even makes a tiny difference.

Banning replicas won't reduce the amount of stupidity in Britain, and pointing a replica firearm at a police officer, or letting one of your children do it, is an act of the most profound stupidity.

Why should the stupidity of a few be an excuse to remove the freedoms of the many?

Let me think about this for a minute.... The police in GB do not carry guns (under normal circumstances). The people cannot carry guns. The people won't be able to own replicas of guns. No toy guns for the kids. So...the only ones who will eventually have any type of gun or facsimile of a gun will be...dishonest, hard working criminals.

Does anyone here even play airsoft, if so what do ya have ?

. So...the only ones who will eventually have any type of gun or facsimile of a gun will be...dishonest, hard working criminals.


Nail,hit,head.


Does anyone here even play airsoft, if so what do ya have ?


I'm an airsofter and we've spent months dealing with this VCR bill

I own a Glock23, an MP5K, and possibly soon an M16A2/VN or a P90

Minimal benefit in your opinion, want me to come try and kill your hobby because a few idiots died because of something related to it?




drinking alcohol and smoking kill far more people, they kill more than most things, and they're no more useful than replica guns, but people enjoy it, but people also try and kill each other when they do to much of it, shall we ban them two things aswell??

Smoking would be banned if the gov didn't make so much money from in it, unfortunately that seems to be a big priority in the world :(

I'd venture that alchohol would be missed a hell of a lot more than airsoft.

I'd venture that alchohol would be missed a hell of a lot more than airsoft.

It still has minimal benefit though, thats all you asked for me to produce ;)

It still has minimal benefit though, thats all you asked for me to produce ;)

Bring in prohibition and then come to me and say it has minimal benefit :D

The difference is smoking and alchohol drinking usually only do damage to yourself, not others, and are taxed. Besides - far far far FAR more people use these things.

Personally i'm not in favour of banning them - but guns which look very realistic should be banned. They should make air soft guns be very distinguisable from normal guns in a way that cannot be reversed. Doubtless the gun nuts would moan that it isn't the same then because they couldn't imagine they were using a real one, but screw em - make em bright pink if needs be.

Ban all replicas then say to me it has minimal benefit when more criminals end up with real firearms and possibly end up killing people in robberys instead of just poncing about with a replica gun ;)

but guns which look very realistic should be banned. They should make air soft guns be very distinguisable from normal guns in a way that cannot be reversed.

That's one of the points of airsoft, a lot of people enjoy just collecting the guns to look at for their realism, its part of the military simulation of various decades, if it ends up looking like a melon with an airsoft gearbox, and battery, magazine inside, that sort of defeats half the enjoyment of airsoft.

The difference is smoking and alchohol drinking usually only do damage to yourself, not others, and are taxed. Besides - far far far FAR more people use these things.

Personally i'm not in favour of banning them - but guns which look very realistic should be banned. They should make air soft guns be very distinguisable from normal guns in a way that cannot be reversed.

To be fair, passive smoking is an issue and alchohol related violence is a huge issue. However, alchohol just isn't disposable in the same way replica guns are.

I own a Glock23, an MP5K, and possibly soon an M16A2/VN or a P90



I got a Tokyo Marui M733(Also called colt commando and CAR-15) Commando (http://www.tokyo-marui.co.jp/download/images/041007_m733.jpg) AEG, a Gas Glock 18 (http://www.packrat-toyz.com/images/Airsoft/Glock%2018C.gif), 1 Spring Desert eagle (http://www.packrat-toyz.com/images/Airsoft/Palco/DE%20121%20Desert%20Eagle.jpg), a CYMA G-36C (http://www.enyu-toy.com/small/1110107291.jpg), a Tokyo Mauri FEMAS SV-1 (http://www.airsoftcore.com/files/Images/Reviews/famassv.jpg), and im gonna get a TM M16A2 (http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5945/tm20m16a2l9vi.jpg) and an AK-47s (http://airsoft.tts.lt/oruzhie/ris/ak47s.jpg) before december.

Ban all replicas then say to me it has minimal benefit when more criminals end up with real firearms and possibly end up killing people in robberys instead of just poncing about with a replica gun ;)

That's stupid logic - people who use replicas to rob people are very unlikely to say 'Hmm...I can't get a replica now, so I guess i'll use a real one!' - if they are using a replica in the first place, it suggests they can't/won't get a normal gun for some reason. Only petty criminals have replicas, the kind that would be too scared or unable to get real ones.

Ban all replicas then say to me it has minimal benefit when more criminals end up with real firearms and possibly end up killing people in robberys instead of just poncing about with a replica gun ;)

Umm, (I;m aware you might not be totally serious btw) I don't see where people have made the jump into thinking that replicas will be impossible to get hold of and guns will be freely available down the shop. Criminal reasons for getting these replicas over real guns are largely unaffected.

Umm,I don't see where people have made the jump into thinking that replicas will be impossible to get hold of and guns will be freely available down the shop. Criminal reasons for getting these replicas over real guns are largely unaffected.


A while after the ban, the only people left with the replicas will either be airsofters, other responsible replica gun owners etc, who aren't going to sell them to anyone since it'll be illegal

Or a few criminals who still have replicas they previously used, buying one of these is going to carry the same punishment as buying a real firearm off them would, the punishment of threatening someone with a replica carrys the same as it does for a real firearm.

And most of these criminals are going to either have, or know where to get real firearms.


Do you have any idea how easy it is to get a real gun off the streets?

It's not even a good idea to ban real guns. If it's against the law to have guns, then guess who the only people with guns will be? Criminals!

That's one of the points of airsoft, a lot of people enjoy just collecting the guns to look at for their realism, its part of the military simulation of various decades, if it ends up looking like a melon with an airsoft gearbox, and battery, magazine inside, that sort of defeats half the enjoyment of airsoft.

Too bad - if they are realistic enough to cause people to think them real, then they present a real threat. Which would you rather have, air softs which looked unrealistic or no air softs at all?

Give me another example of something with such minimal benefit with the same potential consequences that is legal?

School sports day. At the end of the day, i hate having my liberties taken away for the idocy of a few. Thank god im emmigrating from this country, its going to hell ,

another example, owning swords.

How many people die as a result of sword attacks - and there is legislation in place against swords btw

It's not even a good idea to ban real guns. If it's against the law to have guns, then guess who the only people with guns will be? Criminals!

Cheers for that, but we don't really have much of a gun problem here :)

How many people die as a result of sword attacks - and there is legislation in place against swords btw

Really? i own 18, and im not kidding. Got them perfectly legally.

There are a couple of murders involving them, not many, but a few.

But, its in reply, it has not much benifit, but does lead to some death (im a sealed knot member btw, thats why i have so many swords)

Too bad - if they are realistic enough to cause people to think them real, then they present a real threat.


Anyone stupid enough to threaten the public/police with a replica gun poses a real threat aswell.

replica guns, have NOTHING to do with this problem, complete idiots do.

Which would you rather have, air softs which looked unrealistic or no air softs at all?

Airsoft which looked unrealistic would just be a lower powered version of paintball.

The whole point of airsoft for me is my intrest in guns, airsoft gives me a chance to own an accurate reproduction of my favourite guns, whilst having fun with them target shooting or having skirmishes.


Although thats just my pleasure of airsoft, a lot of people play it for the fun and adrenaline rush and the tactics it involves, but they don't like the distrust of paintball, and other aspects of paintball.

So if airsoft guns didn't look realistic, it'd defeat the whole joy of it for me.


And its called "airsoft" by the way, not "air softs" ;)

1: threatening someone with a replica carrys the same punishment as threatening someone with a real firearm, so when the sale and import of replicas are banned, it'll be easier to buy a real gun than a replica, would you rather be robbed with a real gun or a replica?
2: therfore gun crime will go up

Well that's debatable, because threatening someone with a gun you know is fake is completely different to something that can go off and kill someone else. It is, in fact, something else entirely. I'm sure you know the psychological difference and that you would handle an airsoft and a real gun very differently, even if they look exactly the same. Not everyone, even criminals, have the nerve to point a real gun in some guy's face. A fake gun which has the effect of causing fear but without the risk of things degenerating and ending up being charged for murder instead of just a firearm offence is simply more attractive and easier to get - the latter being the main problem.

It's unfair to say "would you rather be mugged with a fake or a real gun" because the point is, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. And there's another danger - people might get shot because they think the robber's gun is fake when it isn't. Oh yeah, sure, put the guy up for murder, that doesn't bring the dead person back, does it?

Yes, I agree, it doesn't matter if the gun is real or fake, the police are justified in opening fire. But what I meant is, replicas are a lot more accessible than actual guns and the fact that they are that realistic... do you see the point here? They are a problem because they are being used for criminal purposes and so there is merit in this law. It's not that I think airsofts should be banned too, I don't. I just don't think you should be against this because there is a valid public safety concern. By all means go for the exception, but don't scupper the whole thing.


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The difference is smoking and alchohol drinking usually only do damage to yourself, not others, and are taxed.

Tell that to people that have medical problems due to secondhand smoke, or the famalies who suffer from alcohol induced abuse, or those killed by someone killed by a drunk driver.

Tell that to people that have medical problems due to secondhand smoke, or the famalies who suffer from alcohol induced abuse, or those killed by someone killed by a drunk driver.

Well, what can you do... ban them? hell no! you can give every oppertunity for support to help people give up , or give counceling.

Really? i own 18, and im not kidding. Got them perfectly legally.

There are a couple of murders involving them, not many, but a few.

But, its in reply, it has not much benifit, but does lead to some death (im a sealed knot member btw, thats why i have so many swords)

Well, if you try to carry one around with you on the street and get stopped by the police, don't be surprised if you have to "pass the soap" soon afterwards :D

Well, I won't speculate but some form of commitee, government or police has identified these replicas as a problem for whatever reason. I assume if the same is found about swords similar action will be taken.

How many people die as a result of sword attacks - and there is legislation in place against swords btw

Mayber they should also ban meat cleavers and dinner knives. :eek:

Mayber they should also ban meat cleavers and dinner knives. :eek:

Sorry?

It's not even a good idea to ban real guns. If it's against the law to have guns, then guess who the only people with guns will be? Criminals!
Isn't that a given?

Well, what can you do... ban them? hell no! you can give every oppertunity for support to help people give up , or give counceling.

You are right, you shouldn't make smoking or drinking illegal because a few people get hurt by it, and you shouldn’t ban replica guns (or real guns for that matter) just because a few people get hurt by them.

Well, if you try to carry one around with you on the street and get stopped by the police, don't be surprised if you have to "pass the soap" soon afterwards :D

Well, I won't speculate but some form of commitee, government or police has identified these replicas as a problem for whatever reason. I assume if the same is found about swords similar action will be taken.


Oh of course, i only use them at reenactments, however sometimes, we and an entire regiment go to a tesco nearby, as the police know we're there, they let us walk in tesco with our daggers, or swords, in full pike uniform :D

But, thats the only exception , we just went for food etc. We got some great looks from the girl working the till though


But, banning swords for a small amount of deaths? no, and this replica gun thing.

It stops reenacters, especially those doing ww2 reenactment, which is a shame, as many europeans come to england to reenact, as britian is the only country in europe where is legal to reenact german froces from ww2. soon, there will be no where.

and, i care more for my personal/civil rights, more then a couple of criminals stupid enough to use replica guns, but thats just me.

"Violent Crime Reduction Bill"

An Orwellian name if ever I heard one.
Not really. The 'Reduction of Violent Crime' doesn't sound very Orwellian to me. The PATRIOT act, now that's a name that came staright out of the Ministry of Love!
It just means that they want less violent crime. Which is good, right?

You are right, you shouldn't make smoking or drinking illegal because a few people get hurt by it, and you shouldn’t ban replica guns (or real guns for that matter) just because a few people get hurt by them.

good to see we agree ;)

Sorry?

If there is legislation to ban swords because they hurt people, perhaps they should also ban meat cleavers and dinner knives for the same reason. No, I'm not being factious; I'm just trying to point out how ridiculous a ban of swords and replicas of guns is.

If there is legislation to ban swords because they hurt people, perhaps they should also ban meat cleavers and dinner knives for the same reason. No, I'm not being factious; I'm just trying to point out how ridiculous a ban of swords and replicas of guns is.

The same legislation against swords (not a ban, I never said that) applies to dinner knives and meat cleavers.

The same legislation against swords (not a ban, I never said that) applies to dinner knives and meat cleavers.

I must be a little confused about the legislation. Does the legislation make it illegal to own, sell, buy, or carry in public these items? If it is own, sell, and buy you are telling me the government is making it illegal to own, sell, or buy a meat cleaver and dinner knife as well as a sword? If it only makes it illegal to carry one in public, that is a completely different story.

I must be a little confused about the legislation. Does the legislation make it illegal to own, sell, buy, or carry in public these items? If it is own, sell, and buy you are telling me the government is making it illegal to own, sell, or buy a meat cleaver and dinner knife as well as a sword? If it only makes it illegal to carry one in public, that is a completely different story.

It's not a different story as I only said "legislation" which is 100% correct.

It's not a different story as I only said "legislation" which is 100% correct.

OK, please tell me what this proposed legislation if passed will do? Will it make the ownership or sale of these items illegal? Will it allow the ownership and sale of the items but prohibit people from carrying them in public?

The answer will clear up my confusion in the matter as I am not familiar with the legislation.

replicas are a lot more accessible than actual guns

But a while after the ban, they definitly wont be, thats my point.

It's unfair to say "would you rather be mugged with a fake or a real gun"

And the reason i say that, is because after the ban, you're more likely to be robbed by someone with a real gun than a replica, since they'll be easier to get than a replica, buying a replica would carry the same punishment, threatening someone with a replica carrys the same punishment, and its very easy to get a real gun off the street, which would still result in the same punishment.

And a realistic replica handgun that you couldn't tell the difference between real or fake close up would cost more than a real gun would from some criminal, not brand new legal firearms obviously ;) .

OK, please tell me what this proposed legislation if passed will do? Will it make the ownership or sale of these items illegal? Will it allow the ownership and sale of the items but prohibit people from carrying them in public?

If you're talking about the ban on replica guns, which i assume you are

You can still use any replicas you currently own, the ban is ONLY going to ban the sale and import of the guns.

And it's allready illegal to carry them in public, unless its in box/bag unloaded, and you're transporting them somewhere or to an airsoft game, if you're carrying it for any other reason, it carrys the same punishment as carrying a real firearm would.

I don't know too much about this, but's it's illegal to bring in knives and stuff from abroad. Pity, because I went to France one time, and there was loads of cool swords.

So it's a good thing I began working to perfect my cucumber-shaped gun? :)

lmfao

So it's a good thing I began working to perfect my cucumber-shaped gun

That counts as manufacturing an illegal firearm im afraid, literally..

What next? Banning paintball? I played airsoft and it is not violent it is simply a kind of simulation of SWAT. Airsoft and Paintball are not violent sports. It's less dangerous and less violent then most sports played today.

'Nuff said.

Banning paintball?

That may be banned to unless they make an exemption for it.

The reson they are banning replica guns is because the most realistic looking of them (the ones that are actually going to be banned) are fairly easily and cheaply converted into guns that kill. That what the majority of illegal firarms are in the UK.

But a while after the ban, they definitly wont be, thats my point.



And the reason i say that, is because after the ban, you're more likely to be robbed by someone with a real gun than a replica, since they'll be easier to get than a replica, buying a replica would carry the same punishment, threatening someone with a replica carrys the same punishment, and its very easy to get a real gun off the street, which would still result in the same punishment.

And a realistic replica handgun that you couldn't tell the difference between real or fake close up would cost more than a real gun would from some criminal, not brand new legal firearms obviously ;) .



If you're talking about the ban on replica guns, which i assume you are

You can still use any replicas you currently own, the ban is ONLY going to ban the sale and import of the guns.

And it's allready illegal to carry them in public, unless its in box/bag unloaded, and you're transporting them somewhere or to an airsoft game, if you're carrying it for any other reason, it carrys the same punishment as carrying a real firearm would.

It wouldn't carry the same punishment in practice. I think part of this is to do with police mistakes and another part of it about gun conversions but I'm sure there's another part some group or committee have highlighted. They'd still be easier to get hold of then real guns as well.

What next? Banning paintball? I played airsoft and it is not violent it is simply a kind of simulation of SWAT. Airsoft and Paintball are not violent sports. It's less dangerous and less violent then most sports played today.

'Nuff said.

Paintball is statistically safer to play than golf is. I always found that funny. Everyone always says "paintball is so violent and dangerous". Everytime I hear that I always tell the person that it is bullshit. I play paintball EVERY weekend and I have yet to see anyone get injured by a paintball (or directly related to being shot at) or get into fights. The worst injury I've seen was when a guy slid into an airball bunker and split his shin open on an exposed stake holding the bunker down. After that, they replaced the stakes with sandbags.

Personally, I don't like airsoft. Sure, the guns are realistic and cool but it just isn't as much fun as paintball is for me. Paintball may be expensive. It may be unrealistic in terms of the guns used - but it's totally worth every penny. That's just my opinion.

Though I do have to say..

Long live paintball and airsoft!

The reson they are banning replica guns is because the most realistic looking of them (the ones that are actually going to be banned) are fairly easily and cheaply converted into guns that kill. That what the majority of illegal firarms are in the UK.


You sir, are a moron, if you'd read anything, ALL replica firearms are going to be banned, there is no legal replica firearms you can buy any more that can be converted to fire live rounds, anyone who can get you live rounds, can also get you a gun, so why would you go through the hassle of buying an old illegal blank firer that is allready banned and highly illegal, and will literally fall apart after one shot, if you could even find them now days.

NO replica guns you can buy now can be convereted to live rounds, you've got more chance of getting a loaf of bread to fire a live round.

That what the majority of illegal firarms are in the UK.
That's what the majority of illegal firearms AREN'T in the UK, anything such as an old brocock, or a very old blank firer, would fall apart after one shot, are allready highly illegal, and rare as ****

It wouldn't carry the same punishment in practice.

Source?

That's not been the case since i last checked.

They'd still be easier to get hold of then real guns as well

Do you have any idea how many illegal firearms there is out there?, the price of them?, the avalibility of them?, it'll be far easier to get a real firearm than a realistic replica a while after the ban, unless you're just chosing to ignore these facts to continute on with your own igorant opinion? sounds like M.A.G to me...

Goody gumdrops, now you'll all have to pawn your AEGs on ebay for me to snatch up cut-rate :)

Why would we want to give you all our guns when we can still legally use the ones we own :p

We're buying more guns, not selling them, lol ;)

The reson they are banning replica guns is because the most realistic looking of them (the ones that are actually going to be banned) are fairly easily and cheaply converted into guns that kill. That what the majority of illegal firarms are in the UK.


I'm sorry, but this is complete tripe form someone who doesn't know what he/she is on about. Airsoft replicas CAN NOT (read as " CAN NOT") be converted to fire real ammunition. The replica would simply tear apart under the forces involved of firing a real round. The plastics used in the guns are far too weak, even the metals are nowhere near strong enough. If you have ever looked inside an airsoft replica, you would see the internals have more in common with a RC car than a gun. The gun would be more likely to explode in the criminal's hands than hurt anyone else; a shot would never be fired. Far, far easier to buy the real thing, which, by the way, would me cheaper. My airsoft AK47, after being given a metal body and wooden grips, costs far more than a brand spanking new AK would cost you in the USA, let alone a more questionable one being sold to Mr. Criminal.

Sadly, this is one of the most common misconceptions, and people will go about preaching it as fact without even questioning it.

So, to convert an airsoft replica into a real gun: Replace body and framework with that of a real gun, replace barrel with that of a real gun, replace magazine, internals...you get the idea, not one part of the airsoft gun would be there by the end. Not quite as simple as the "drill a couple of holes, force some bullets into it and pull the trigger" idea that your statement would suggest...

So to say "easily and cheaply" converted is a rather pathetic, unfunny joke.

Regards,
An irritated airsofter

Why airsoft guns are better than paintball guns:



Custom airsoft guns: http://www.precisionairsoft.com/item791.htm
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2390/g3620sniper20small4ky.jpg http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/82/hk94l3tk.jpg http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8530/rpk25qi.gif http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7667/sr16plasmaa7jk.jpg http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5504/sr25a6gn.jpg hell, you can even but airsoft claymores and even an RPG.





Custom Paintball guns: http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/666/compressiongun4cf.gif

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2264/gunpmproelcdmegy0xw.jpg

my point.

Why airsoft guns are better than paintball guns:



Custom airsoft guns: http://www.precisionairsoft.com/item791.htm
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2390/g3620sniper20small4ky.jpg http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/82/hk94l3tk.jpg http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8530/rpk25qi.gif http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7667/sr16plasmaa7jk.jpg http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5504/sr25a6gn.jpg hell, you can even but airsoft claymores and even an RPG.


Custom Paintball guns: http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/666/compressiongun4cf.gif

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2264/gunpmproelcdmegy0xw.jpg

my point.
Milsim Paintball guns:

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=j9WjnD93jwmjkXxCEnljNDW-x-YnHNLMeeg=?CategoryName=paintball-paintball-guns-ariakon-paintball-guns

Most Common Paintball guns:

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=j9WjnD93jwmjkXxCEnljNDW-x-YnHNLMeeg=?ProductID=cL7AqArb7q8AAAEDYH7O1VbA#

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=j9WjnD93jwmjkXxCEnljNDW-x-YnHNLMeeg=?ProductID=HEzAqArbwLsAAAEDd%2eE0P6Pl

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=j9WjnD93jwmjkXxCEnljNDW-x-YnHNLMeeg=?ProductID=FcDAqArb8MMAAAECqIwmO7dC

Paintball does have mines and all the scenario gear you Airsoft folks have as well :)

I'm no airsofter, but I could buy a replica of sword next week and use it hurt people. A replica gun would pretty useless as you can only "scare" people unless you use it to whack people.

People use them to do bank roberies, thats why they are being banned

Those pics just prove why paint ball guns are completely safe and don't need to be banned, whilst airsoft guns either need to be modified to look like fakes, or banned.

People use them to do bank roberies, thats why they are being banned

it just so happens that now everyone can affoard to get himself
an M-16, AK-47, Sig 550, M-60, M249, FNP90
M4, Sig Commando, Desert Eagle, SPAZ shotgun
Hardballers, etc. and they will go out an rob banks with them.
I am sure the military just sells them on open air markets as well.
Like in Somalia.
I find it hard to believe that it is so easy to get any of these
real weapons in the first place. Especially in Britain.

Plus airsoft pellets are SOOOOOOO letheal. Damn those
little 6 mm plastic balls. WHY DO THEY KILL SO MUCH??
Oh the angst! <-------------Major sarcasm here
I love Airsoft guns! They look great, they are fun play with,
and they are great conversation pieces. I personally
like to have them hang on my wall and enjoy seeing my friend's
reactions when they see an M-16 hanging there next to an
FN-P90! Plus the G36 and the SPAZ.

NOTHING needs to be done to airsoft guns, these criminals don't even know where to buy our high quality realistic guns, and a lot of airsoft guns are more expensive than the real thing.

The guns used in crimes are either blank firers, air pistols, or highly unrealistic £1 spring guns from the market, we really have nothing to do with this.



But none still deserve to be banned because of a few moronic criminals.

Also,
why cant those idiot lawmakers just
do what we did in the US?
make it a requirement to put
a permanent blaze orange tip
to the barrel to denote
it as an Airsoft rifle?
Its working pretty well here
and I havent really heard of any
robberies with anything like that!

Paintball does have mines and all the scenario gear you Airsoft folks have as well :)


But what would you rather have ?


This- http://img2.kult-mag.com/images/perso/airsoft.jpg


or this: http://www.topron.com/paintball-images/paintball.jpg


And

Airsoft: http://www.cimmerians.org/Combat_Photo_Gallery.html?action=detail&id=572


Paintball: http://www.adrenalingames.com/images/paintball_arenas/battle_royale_paintball.jpg


Airsoft just looks cooler, and is funner in my oppinion.

Plus airsoft pellets are SOOOOOOO letheal. Damn those
little 6 mm plastic balls. WHY DO THEY KILL SO MUCH??.

In case you didnt notice, I didnt say they were lethal, but that the look enough like real guns to be used in bank roberies. They need to be either banned or modified to such an extent that it it obvious that they are not real firearms

Also,
why cant those idiot lawmakers just
do what we did in the US?
make it a requirement to put
a permanent blaze orange tip
to the barrel to denote
it as an Airsoft rifle?
Its working pretty well here
and I havent really heard of any
robberies with anything like that!

Because apparently most of the fun is in them looking real. Don't ask me, seems a weird thing to get a load of pleasure from really. Mind you, the people into airsoft that I knew were a bit...strange.

I'm sorry, but this is complete tripe form someone who doesn't know what he/she is on about. Airsoft replicas CAN NOT (read as " CAN NOT") be converted to fire real ammunition. The replica would simply tear apart under the forces involved of firing a real round. The plastics used in the guns are far too weak, even the metals are nowhere near strong enough. If you have ever looked inside an airsoft replica, you would see the internals have more in common with a RC car than a gun. The gun would be more likely to explode in the criminal's hands than hurt anyone else; a shot would never be fired. Far, far easier to buy the real thing, which, by the way, would me cheaper. My airsoft AK47, after being given a metal body and wooden grips, costs far more than a brand spanking new AK would cost you in the USA, let alone a more questionable one being sold to Mr. Criminal.

Sadly, this is one of the most common misconceptions, and people will go about preaching it as fact without even questioning it.

So, to convert an airsoft replica into a real gun: Replace body and framework with that of a real gun, replace barrel with that of a real gun, replace magazine, internals...you get the idea, not one part of the airsoft gun would be there by the end. Not quite as simple as the "drill a couple of holes, force some bullets into it and pull the trigger" idea that your statement would suggest...

So to say "easily and cheaply" converted is a rather pathetic, unfunny joke.

Regards,
An irritated airsofter

Panorama managed to find a dealer who converted one into a real gun for £200. It is a problem and it is dangerous

But what would you rather have ?


This- http://img2.kult-mag.com/images/perso/airsoft.jpg


or this: http://www.topron.com/paintball-images/paintball.jpg


And

Airsoft: http://www.cimmerians.org/Combat_Photo_Gallery.html?action=detail&id=572


Paintball: http://www.adrenalingames.com/images/paintball_arenas/battle_royale_paintball.jpg


Airsoft just looks cooler, and is funner in my oppinion.

True, now if they made more paintball guns to look like the real thing, then I would be more interested in buying them. I dont know, but seeing a guy thats fully cammoed from head to toe like Rambo running in a forest with a dinky little gun that kinda looks like someone just welded together a couple of pipes and hoses, just doesnt seem as intimidating as seeing the same guy running at you with an M-60 or an M-16 or a Steyr Aug p.b.g.

Because apparently most of the fun is in them looking real. Don't ask me, seems a weird thing to get a load of pleasure from really. Mind you, the people into airsoft that I knew were a bit...strange.

Well, yeah it does get kind of annoying with that orange tip, but on the other hand, they still do look pretty sweet. Hell, you could also paint over the orange, but thats a crime here as well. But still, in the end I still will be able to keep my airsofts here in the States because our lawmakers arent thinking with their heads in their asses! lol!
their rallying cry should be:
They can pry our Airsofts from our sweaty, hot, welted* hands!!!!


*(as a fact that thats about how much damage they can really do to anyone)

True, now if they made more paintball guns to look like the real thing, then I would be more interested in buying them. I dont know, but seeing a guy thats fully cammoed from head to toe like Rambo running in a forest with a dinky little gun that kinda looks like someone just welded together a couple of pipes and hoses, just doesnt seem as intimidating as seeing the same guy running at you with an M-60 or an M-16 or a Steyr Aug p.b.g.


Exactly, and may i point out that in the airsoft picture, a guy has an Customized TOP M-60, which run for around 800 USD, while you can buy a real M16 for about 900. (Also like the other guy with a stinger missile)

They need to be either banned or modified to such an extent that it it obvious that they are not real firearms


People do NOT use airsoft assault rifles in robberys
People do NOT use airsoft handguns in robbreys
People DO use blank firers, and air pistols in robberys
People DO use £1 spring guns to piss random people off
It's still absolutely no good reason to ban them, 99.99% of people enjoy replicas, use them responsibly, and most of us treat them as real firearms, why ruin it for the 99.99% because of 00.01% of misuse?

In all these reports of replica gun crime where they show all the pictures of guns they've seized, i've not seen one airsoft gun


Replicas do NOT need to be banned, has the past and other countrys taught you nothing?

Ban something, the situation ALLWAYS gets worse.
It's allready illegal to use replicas in the manner criminals do, they'll get the same punishment after they're banned, how is this going to stop them doing it?


Although it seems people choose to ignore the facts and carry on with their own ignorant views... like M.A.G

Exactly, and may i point out that in the airsoft picture, a guy has an Customized TOP M-60, which run for around 800 USD, while you can buy a real M16 for about 900. (Also like the other guy with a stinger missile)

really?
get out!!! a real M-16 for $900?
Damn, thats sweet, and why was I not informed
of this sooner? S'cuse me everybody! I got
to make a date at the gun store!!

Do they sell stingers too? lol! ;)

Another point, in Japan, owning firearms is illegal, and most police are unarmed. When do you ever hear of people robbing a bank with airsoft M-16's there ? I have only seen one article ever close to that, when a 15 year old held up a bank with a squirt gun stripped of the water holder thingy and painted black, in the US.

Another point, in Japan, owning firearms is illegal, and most police are unarmed. When do you ever hear of people robbing a bank with airsoft M-16's there ? I have only seen one article ever close to that, when a 15 year old held up a bank with a squirt gun stripped of the water holder thingy and painted black, in the US.


Doesnt Japan also seel the best damn Airsofts on the planet?
Tokyo Mauri???? Damn they are sweet!!! Expensive as hell too!
Too bad I spent all my money on that real M-16!! lol!!!! ;)

Another point, in Japan, owning firearms is illegal, and most police are unarmed. When do you ever hear of people robbing a bank with airsoft M-16's there ? I have only seen one article ever close to that, when a 15 year old held up a bank with a squirt gun stripped of the water holder thingy and painted black, in the US.

Japan also have the highest number of replica guns in the world

They invented Airsoft because their firearms laws were to tight, they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world, and no problems with replica guns.


We don't really have a problem either, the goverement and ignorant "mothers" just exaggerate


The tool is NEVER the problem, its the moron operating it...


The lack of intelligence and vast ignorance in this thread really is worrying.



Tokyo Mauri???? Damn they are sweet!!! Expensive as hell too!

Not really, Tokyo Mauri are considered entry level guns, they're also the cheapest AEGs around (not including them crappy $50 AEGs that are useless), no metal bodys, less trademarks, more writing printed on gun "airsoft gun, be reading manual first" generally not considered that good compared to G&G, CA, ICS, etc

really?
get out!!! a real M-16 for $900?
Damn, thats sweet, and why was I not informed
of this sooner? S'cuse me everybody! I got
to make a date at the gun store!!

Do they sell stingers too? lol! ;)


On the outdoor channel, they were covering a huge-ass gun store in phoenix, and you could buy an M-16A2 for 900 and an M60 for 1,500 USD

And you can buy Airsoft RPG-7's and stingers, for around 1,300, made in japan and china.

Doesnt Japan also seel the best damn Airsofts on the planet?
Tokyo Mauri???? Damn they are sweet!!! Expensive as hell too!
Too bad I spent all my money on that real M-16!! lol!!!! ;)

I have 3 tokyo mauri's, a Colt commando (car-15) , a FAMAS, and a M9, all costing me a little under $ 420.

On the outdoor channel, they were covering a huge-ass gun store in phoenix, and you could buy an M-16A2 for 900 and an M60 for 1,500 USD

And you can buy Airsoft RPG-7's and stingers, for around 1,300, made in japan and china.

Woah! I thought you were talking about real Stingers! loL!
just one question, how the hell do you use an airsoft Stinger
or RPG-7? Is it just one huge 6 mm pellet, or what??
Plus can you show me a link as to where I can see this?
Thnx!!

I have 3 tokyo mauri's, a Colt commando (car-15) , a FAMAS, and a M9, all costing me a little under $ 420.
No way! did you buy from ebay?
I normally see M-4s T.M. go for over $200! famas for $250
from the site! please direct me to these site I need theM!

Woah! I thought you were talking about real Stingers! loL!
just one question, how the hell do you use an airsoft Stinger
or RPG-7? Is it just one huge 6 mm pellet, or what??



Well if you made a 6mm pellet "huge" it wouldn't be 6mm anymore would it ;)


Some are just for effect and fire a small fire cracker type device, or some just fire 200 to 500 6mm BBs at once known as a "Airsoft Grenade" they don't launch the actual grenade, it's just a metal cannister you fill with a small amount of gas, put the BBs in, and it ejects them all at once like a rain of BBs

No no no it can't be banned and i know why.

a few weeks ago, a local council planned an airsoft match between chavs and goths in an attempt to get them off the streets and solve their disputes in a safe game.

If airsoft had been banned then this would have been illegal and not published in the newspaper.
No they are TRYING to ban them ... that does not mean its illegal already

THat game could be completly legal now but not so in a few months

Woah! I thought you were talking about real Stingers! loL!
just one question, how the hell do you use an airsoft Stinger
or RPG-7? Is it just one huge 6 mm pellet, or what??
Plus can you show me a link as to where I can see this?
Thnx!!


I forgot the link, because i was on a japanese airsoft site, caus i was gonna buy a Knight's SR-16, and while scrolling down their were like 50 different shotguns and an RPG, which made me go "Holy shit, they have airsoft RPG's ?"
I have no idea how it works though.

Not really, Tokyo Mauri are considered entry level guns, they're also the cheapest AEGs around (not including them crappy $50 AEGs that are useless), no metal bodys, less trademarks, more writing printed on gun "airsoft gun, be reading manual first" generally not considered that good compared to G&G, CA, ICS, etc

I always thought they were the best! hmm. thanks for the insite!
Where can I find these sites?

People use them to do bank roberies, thats why they are being banned
Bullshit real guns can and are often cheeper then an airsoft gun

I always thought they were the best! hmm. thanks for the insite!
Where can I find these sites?
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Home are a pretty big retailer in USA, i assume you live in america?

They sell most stuff

Im in no way saying TM are crap by the way, they make very good solid guns that don't usually have any faults, but there is better quality and more realistic guns to be had than TM

No way! did you buy from ebay?
I normally see M-4s T.M. go for over $200! famas for $250
from the site! please direct me to these site I need theM!

I lost the link, but got my Commando for $ 168 from japan, with free shipping, and i got my FAMAS SV-1 from www.redwolfairsoft.com for 180 dollars.

Yes I do!
Thanks!
Where are you from if you dont mind me asking?

I'm from England :)

Found the link !

http://www.tokyohobby.net/shop/products.php?p=49dd6a


Tokyo mauri's are very good, but CIS and Classic army are better, but also more expensive, so i would choose TM over them any day.

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Home are a pretty big retailer in USA, i assume you live in america?

They sell most stuff

Im in no way saying TM are crap by the way, they make very good solid guns that don't usually have any faults, but there is better quality and more realistic guns to be had than TM

ahh, I see the site now! Very Impressive!!!
You guys rock! Now if only I could cough up the
$1400 for this beauty, i'd be set!
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Category?menu1=40&menu2=1197#17532
LOL!

I'm from England :)

You guys have my 100% backing on this
issue! I would hate to see you guys miss
out on all the fun of airsoft!
I myself am, well, still new to this!
I picked up the cheaper airsofts
myself as beginner like
Double Eagle! Its an M-16A3,
not bad, stings like a mofo from 20 yards!
I know its cheap, but it does make my friends
hesitate when they step in my room!

http://www.shortyusa.com/ this is the equivilent of airsoft walmart. They have average quality stuff, but a shitload of stuff.

Found the link !

http://www.tokyohobby.net/shop/products.php?p=49dd6a


Tokyo mauri's are very good, but CIS and Classic army are better, but also more expensive, so i would choose TM over them any day.

thank you too!!

Panorama managed to find a dealer who converted one into a real gun for £200. It is a problem and it is dangerous

No, it isn't. Forward venting blank firers "can" be converted, but will work for about one horribly innacurate, underpowered round before blowing up, and that is with an amount of luck comparable to a minor miracle.

Now, jump in the air. Go on, I dare you.
There you go.
Did you come down again? Yes? Thought so. Welcome to the world of physics. An airsoft replica butchered in attempt to make it fire live ammunition will blow up just as surely as you will come back down to earth the next time the urge to jump in the air becomes too great for you to resist. Blank firers are not airsoft replicas.

To convert even a blank firer you would need someone very highly skilled with, and knowledgeable regarding firearms, not your mate Dave down the road who can also get you a proper good telle in good nick 'fer not alf what you'd pay dahn t' high street.

I'm from England :)


Immigrate to america, home of legal airsoft guns, pornography, and Mcdonalds !

Immigrate to america, home of legal airsoft guns, pornography, and Mcdonalds !

I second the motion!!!

also, does this ban also mean
that I would not be able to
buy airsofts from Britain?
I think the site is called Guns and tackle
or something like that! I think its British!
www.gunsandtackle.com I am not sure though!
they do have some sweet stuff there like
the M-60s!

No, it isn't. Forward venting blank firers "can" be converted, but will work for about one horribly innacurate, underpowered round before blowing up, and that is with an amount of luck comparable to a minor miracle.



They've also been illegal for a long time now and would be pretty hard to find even if you wanted to.

why would someone go through all the hassle of trying to find one, buying the live ammo from a guy who could sell them a real gun anyway, trying to convert it, then have it either blow up on them, or do nothing, or fire a woefully in accurate round as Drahgon said, when instead they could go and get a baseball bat and beat a few people to death before the police arrested them.

Do you think we should ban baseball bats?, they're obviously the work of the devil himself, they come from trees aswell, lets ban trees yeah?

I second the motion!!!

also, does this ban also mean
that I would not be able to
buy airsofts from Britain?
I think the site is called Guns and tackle
or something like that! I think its British!
www.gunsandtackle.com I am not sure though!
they do have some sweet stuff there like
the M-60s!

I don't think the ban includes exports to other countries, though i may be wrong.

I don't think the ban includes exports to other countries, though i may be wrong.


We'd of had to import/buy (which will be illegal after the ban) them in the first place to export them though, so after the ban, once they sell out they're not going to be able to order any other guns in.

Which will also mean peoples dreams ruined when they have to shut down their shops because they're not making enough money selling airsoft acessories.

Remeber how well those blanks
worked in the movie Snatch?
They cant compare to the
Desert Eagle .50!

baseball bats are fun! just swing and hit, swing
and hit! Bam!!! lol!
damn those trees!! if it wasnt for
trees, we would have so many people
getting beaten up with baseball bats!!

Their just throwing it into the bag of things old and southern people find evil,

Those dang video games, the devil ! Gays, evil ! Rock and roll and rap, work of the devil !

We'd of had to import/buy (which will be illegal after the ban) them in the first place to export them though, so after the ban, once they sell out they're not going to be able to order any other guns in.

Which will also mean peoples dreams ruined when they have to shut down their shops because they're not making enough money selling airsoft acessories.

ouch! Thats sad! :(

Their just throwing it into the bag of things old and southern people find evil,

Those dang video games, the devil ! Gays, evil ! Rock and roll and rap, work of the devil !

I have always loved the argument that violent video games
make kids go kill each other! lol! Its so stupid!
Look out! there is a 14 year old boy with a rocket launcher
and an AK-47 walking down the street!!! AAHHHH!!!
haha!

I have NO sympathy for you. You let them take away the private ownership of firearms and didn't see this coming? Idiots.


I was just reading about this, and you can print out and mail a petition signed by people you know at http://www.saveairsoft.org/ , But why are they attempting to ban it ?

Im 15, play M rated games all the time, watch R rated movies, but i dont kill my friends, its the mentally disturbed children that do that, which represent about 2% of children, but it excludes the other 98% that do it(Play M rated games).

So because of a decision my goverment made a decade ago, that had nothing what so ever to do with me, and i could do NOTHING to change it, that makes me an idiot that you have no sympathy for?

Thanks...


(By the way, private ownership isn't banned, its just strict, we can own Magnum 44s if we want, single action rifles,shotguns, rimfires, etc)


Your goverment has a made mistakes, every goverment has, i don't go around calling everyone idiots who i have no sympathy for, when the people of the country had absolutely nothing to do with it, grow up.

Oh by the way!
I guess we should go and tell these criminals
who use these Airsofts that they wont be able
to use them anymore! they are now going
to have to go back to using big knives,
swoards, or any blunt object that is available!

So because of a decision my goverment made a decade ago, that had nothing what so ever to do with me, and i could do NOTHING to change it, that makes me an idiot that you have no sympathy for?

Thanks...


(By the way, private ownership isn't banned, its just strict, we can own Magnum 44s if we want, single action rifles,shotguns, rimfires, etc)
Eh dont listen to him Warzors!
he doesnt understand!

I used to play GTA since the first one came out
including the London edition, which I loved!
I have played Counter-Strike online
since it was in its first beta dipers, (now not as much)
I have played Halo, all the Battlefield games,
all of the MoH games, every GTA except san andreas,(Damn!)
Doom, and pretty much all of the violent games out there!
I have not once gone out and killed or shot or maimed
any one! Look out guys, those idiot lawmakers of yours
will target your video games as well, under the pretext of
they cause violence! VOTE THEM OUT!!!

btw
I love this red Wolf site!
man, if seeing things like
this doesnt get me to save my money
for one of these babies, I dont
know what will!
thanks again Warzors!

well i know of places you can still get **cough coughs**.
namely shady market no questions asked sellers.

go on.......

Well of course those dangerous weapons are being banned..the could be reworked McGuiver style and made into WMD's :eek:

Why airsoft guns are better than paintball guns:



Custom airsoft guns: http://www.precisionairsoft.com/item791.htm
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2390/g3620sniper20small4ky.jpg http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/82/hk94l3tk.jpg http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8530/rpk25qi.gif http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7667/sr16plasmaa7jk.jpg http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5504/sr25a6gn.jpg hell, you can even but airsoft claymores and even an RPG.





Custom Paintball guns: http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/666/compressiongun4cf.gif

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2264/gunpmproelcdmegy0xw.jpg

my point.I am sorry but you're point is stupid, ignorant and just dusting the surface and it is making me very mad! Look at this!
http://odin.larp.com/ordredera/A5-UMP6.JPG http://www.teamomega.ca/Images/G36-PDS.jpg http://www.paintballmontreal.com/phpbb/files/dsc00811_651.jpg http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/NLP/Gear/IMG_0137.jpg http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/616/myarsenal1rt.jpg There's 2 kinds of paintball. Mil-Sim and speedball. Mil-Sim is like airsoft but with paintball guns. Then there is Speedball with guns looking like this: Speedball guns (http://redbox.liquidev.com/~jwigum/Paintball%20Gallery/photo_gallery.htm)
Paintball is allot better because you have ALLOT more choices in what you want to do.

go on.......
well just head down to stockport market and underbank

I can see that there are some
PB guns that look like the real thing
but you really have to look for
them! They are not as easly
available as Airsoft!
Airsoft gives you what you want.
but the point remains...
people like using guns that look like
the real thing. No offense to
any PB players!
I would like to see more PB
guns that look like the real thing
easier to get to!

I'm afraid it's also ignorant to say Paintball is better than Airsoft and you have more choices in what you want to do...

i also noticed on them guns, the bodys are the wrong shape, there is no trade marks, the second from last gun has an M16 mag in it for some reason, and doesn't appear to be an accurate replica of anything, the last gun is attempting to be an M4, but has a G3 style mag, and looks crap.., the G36 has the same basic outline, the same looking mag, and the carrying handle/ris rail, but that's about it

and the UMP just looks nasty


Airsoft guns are worlds apart from paintball guns in realism, but both sports are similar, they're both fun, it's stupid to say one is better than another, and dont forget, paintball may be underthreat by the VCR bill aswell.

well just head down to stockport market and underbank
ahh.
gotcha! ;)

I am sorry but you're point is stupid, ignorant and just dusting the surface and it is making me very mad! Look at this!

Paintball is allot better because you have ALLOT more choices in what you want to do.


What the hell are you talking about, half the guns you posted were just horribly dilapitated paintball guns with a shitload of added parts, some airsoft, but still looking worse than a 250 dollar cheaper airsoft gun that looks exactly like the real thing. Congratulations on your ignorance ! Mil-slim guns are just crappy renditions of airsoft guns, which as much crap crammed onto them as possible, besides, i have fire a Mil-sim (military simulation) and they are no were as realistic or cool as a Tokyo mauri or ICS/Classic army, hell Panther arms has official trademarked AR-15 markings, as it is licensed, cost a little over 100, instead of cramming together 90,000 different things for over 1,000.

I'm afraid it's also ignorant to say Paintball is better than Airsoft and you have more choices in what you want to do...

i also noticed on them guns, the bodys are the wrong shape, there is no trade marks, the last gun has an M16 mag in it for some reason, and doesn't appear to be an accurate replica of anything, the G36 has the same basic outline, the same looking mag, and the carrying handle/ris rail, but that's about it


Airsoft guns are worlds apart from paintball guns in realism, but both sports are similar, they're both fun, it's stupid to say one is better than another, and dont forget, paintball may be underthreat by the VCR bill aswell.

I dont like how they use the wrong shape or size as well! An M-16 thats the size of a Tommy gun with a HUGE PB resevor? eh, But I have always wanted to go PBing, just no time!

I'm afraid it's also ignorant to say Paintball is better than Airsoft and you have more choices in what you want to do...

i also noticed on them guns, the bodys are the wrong shape, there is no trade marks, the last gun has an M16 mag in it for some reason, and doesn't appear to be an accurate replica of anything, the G36 has the same basic outline, the same looking mag, and the carrying handle/ris rail, but that's about it



I go to say that the point is that the bodies on those are fucked up, the G-36 is looks like a tippman welded to an airsoft gun, and the dust-covered pic is just a paintball gun with a G-36C airsoft gun Forward barrel, removed for a G-36k conversion kit, and welded to a paintball gun barrel, which is laughable.

hey, Warzors,
what does it mean when it says
under the specs for these
airsoft rifles like for the
M-60 for the motor: null?
Does it mean there is no motor
in it or what??
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Category?menu1=1
its the fifth from the bottom.

No the criminals will still have REAL guns only law abiding type folks will have no guns and now no airsoft....welcome to the nanny state. YOU and your parents let this happen. No sympathy!


Oh by the way!
I guess we should go and tell these criminals
who use these Airsofts that they wont be able
to use them anymore! they are now going
to have to go back to using big knives,
swoards, or any blunt object that is available!

dust-covered pic is just a paintball gun with a G-36C airsoft gun Forward barrel.


I'm afraid the dust covered one has nothing to do with a G36

its got the barrel assembly of a UMP, although it looks rather poor quality, with the RIS rail also on it, the stock is almost accurate, but the pistol grip is wrong, the body is just crap, and the magazine appears to have a hole in it...

oh btw i live in the US!
Where people still have a little more common sense
then the idiots who came up the idea of banning
Airsoft!

hey, Warzors,
what does it mean when it says
under the specs for these
airsoft rifles like for the
M-60 for the motor: null?
Does it mean there is no motor
in it or what??
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Category?menu1=1
its the fifth from the bottom.


The only reason i can think they would put null is TOP use custom motors for their guns, instead of the EG700s, EG1000s that a lot of other makes share


Have you got MSN?, i'll add you if you have.

is it hard to put in a new motor
or is it realtivly easy?
i am seriously considering buying
one of these and I just dont want to
buy one and find out motor sold seperatly.
Do they cost much these motors or not really?

i got msn!

it has a motor so you dont need to worry about that

YOU and your parents let this happen. No sympathy!


No, we did not, even members of parliment tried to stop it going ahead
You seem like a bit of a retarded **** to me, NO ONE could of stopped the restrictions going ahead, and as you appear to not be able to read, we can still own real firearms, welcome to my ignore list, im afraid you dont meet the required intelligence levels for me to take any notice of you.

really?
Where it say that?

no AEGs come without a motor

TOP use custom motors, which is probably why they put null on there, they also seem to leave the motor section blank and a lot of other guns, but they all have motors.

Yeah, and you cant really upgrade TOP guns, in term of Power, but they are fun as hell to play with. Also, read the reivews of the guns, i am loving The M60E3 long, but still waiting for an M60E3 commando (http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/us_ordnance/2M60E4Commando.jpg) airsoft gun. :(

he my best airsoft come from the uk webler tempest :mp5:

You can upgrade them to about 330fps solid from 280fps stock with a new piston and spring, but they're the most unfun airsoft gun to take apart :p

Yeah, and you cant really upgrade TOP guns, in term of Power, but they are fun as hell to play with. Also, read the reivews of the guns, i am loving The M60E3 long, but still waiting for an M60E3 commando (http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/us_ordnance/2M60E4Commando.jpg) airsoft gun. :(

oooooooo me likey very much!
I mean comeon, what guy will try to
rob a bank with one of these??
really?
I do like them a lot, especially the M-60 cause
I love seeing peoples reactions when they see something
like that just standing there in your room!
Plus, can you imagine if you catch somebody breaking into
your house, and there you ae holding one right in his face?
hooo weeeee thats fun!

You can upgrade them to about 330fps solid from 280fps stock with a new piston and spring, but they're the most unfun airsoft gun to take apart :p

i can believe that!
It sucks just taking apart one of these
cheaper one shot rifles too!

he my best airsoft come from the uk webler tempest :mp5:


That's an airpistol, they are a LOT more powerful than airsoft guns, and can do a lot more damage, please try not to and get them mixed up with airsoft, a lot of ignorant people seem to see "child killed with airgun" or "child blinded with airgun" now days and seem to think it has something to do with airsoft aswell

I think a decent idea would be to make airsoft pistols that don't look like conventional firearms, for example. Maybe model them after paintball guns, or try to duplicate ray guns and phasers from scifi shows. It's not the same, but it's an idea.

In DFBHD, you can kill people in one hit with the m60, and here is some info i found on airsoft M60's-


"We've also found that the psychological threat of an M60 is also unparalleled by any of the Marui AEGs. Lug it out and watch them wince at the sight of it! "

"Some die-hard enthusiasts in Japan even mount their TOP E3 on top of Jeeps and drive them around during skirmish events! "

It would suck to be up against that in a battle..


You can upgrade them to about 330fps solid from 280fps stock with a new piston and spring, but they're the most unfun airsoft gun to take apart

Yes, but isnt really saying anything as most Mauri's shoot harder than 280. But considering i have seen someone who has upgraded a TM AK-47 to fire 610 fps, it isnt that much.

I never said it was a big upgrade, but you can still upgrade them if you want.

And i'm not sure what a 610FPS AK47 has to do with it, thats to powerful for skirmishing really.

i can believe that!



I was watching attack of the show on G4/tech tv, host was in japan, stood 4 feet away from guy, and shot him in the stomach with an upgraded TOP M60 shorty, and it left deep red, bloody, bruised welts.

You're not really helping the allready fragile reputation of airsoft by posting that sort of stuff though... :)

some moron will probably see that then assume all airsoft guns will do that... :headbang:

well, how many people have been killed
by an airsoft?
hehe! I think this will put out the little fire
Willink! ;)
Phew! close one!

Wow, this is just sad how strict the gun control is.

well, how many people have been killed
by an airsoft?



The worst thats happened is one guy got shot in the tooth and it chipped it,

and one guy got paralyzed by a paintball to the neck

But thats about all, the terrains in both sports are for more dangerous than the rest of it

Ahh, a PB paralyzed someone
once! We'd better get on banning PB guns too!
Hmm. I wonder how many
peole got injured playing regular sports
like football, soccer, baseball, car racing,
basketball?
We should ban all of these next!

You've got a telegram Bluzblekistan.

ah danke!

theres a telegram comin at you now!

Got it :)

cool!

so when shall I expect an email from ya
warzors?

This is yet another example of the oh so clever British govenment making new legislation instead of properly enforcing what we have already. In this country we all ready have legeslation in place to combat the moronic handling of replica weapons (and real ones for that matter) that are the same as the ones for using a real firearm in what ever ciminal acts they may be used for.

Banning the import, sale and manufacture of replicas will do nothing to stop the increasing numbers of illegal firearms and the amount of gun crime in Britan.

Also, in many parts of the big cities (London, Manchester, Glasgow, etc...) the real steel weapons are easier and cheaper to aquire than replicas (according to a recent survey the average price of a real steel AK in London was around £60.) This makes the argument that even if the legal replicas sold today in Britan could be converted to fire live ammunition (which they cannot), it would make no sense as the real fire arms can be aquired more easily and cheaply. Let us think about this for a moment.

To aquire a 'real steel' weapon:
1. find a dealer of such weapons and purchase one.

To convert an illegal blank firer to use live ammunition:
1. find a dealer of illegal blank firers and purchase one.
2. find a gunsmith with the necicary knowlage and who is willing to perform the conversion.
3. wait while the nececary parts are gathered and fitted to the weapon.
4. get your weapon which is more expencive, less reliable and performs more poorly than the real thing and that may well explode when you fire it.

Also, while this does not relate directly to the VCRB, banning of real weapons, rather than having registration means that who owns and where the weapons are is unknown. This lack of regulation means that such items become cheaper and easier for criminals to aquire.

This brings me on to my next point, why can't we have a registration system for airsoft weapons? If anyone who wanted to buy an airsoft weapon had to be over 18, of sound mind, with no criminal record and had to register where they stored their weapon and what purpose they intended for it (eg collecting, skirmishing, milisim, etc) would that not stop criminals from using replicas in crimes? The core problem with this is the same as the VCRB though as it also encorages criminals to use the real weapons in their crimes

well, that sounds like a good idea,
but that is kind of taking it to the extreme.
I mean, when ws the last time you have
ever heard of someone getting killed by an
Airsoft? Never!

well,
I'll be leavin when it hits
11:00GMT!
Its 6:00PM here in Chicago.
Good luck to our friends in
Britain and hopefully they can
crush this stupidity
once and for all!!
Good luck Warzors
and thanks for the heads up
on the good Airsoft sites!
you too Willink!

That is so damn stupid! Banning airsoft guns! If there was anyway that I could help you guys out I really would. But I'm American and I use real guns :D

Ahh, a PB paralyzed someone
once! We'd better get on banning PB guns too!
Hmm. I wonder how many
peole got injured playing regular sports
like football, soccer, baseball, car racing,
basketball?
We should ban all of these next!

I know, it's truly pathetic. Football [or "American Football" for all you silly metric system using "blokes" (sorry I just had to say that :D )] is much more dangerous than airsoft and paintball and the people who play it are much more irresponsable.

I know, it's truly pathetic. Football [or "American Football" for all you silly metric system using "blokes" (sorry I just had to say that :D )] is much more dangerous than airsoft and paintball and the people who play it are much more irresponsable.

But what danger does it present to those not participating in the sport?

"Violent Crime Reduction Bill"

An Orwellian name if ever I heard one.

I agree.

no paint ball?!?!?!?! no air soft?!?!?!?! not BB guns?!?!?!
thats sad, i am sorry to say it but, i think that the UK is losing it...think of all the poor teenagers and college kids!
it might make me cry even tho i dont even live over there

Wow.

I hope that the Government of the UK understands that Airsoft not only dosn't promote violence, it reduces violence by getting kids active and off the streets. Why would they ban a harmless sport when there are way more dangerous things happening right now? They should go out and fight crime, not peoples hobbies.

Airsoft isnt just a game. For some, it is a way of life.

It should also be noted, that under the current wording of the VCRB that in the UK all black metal boxes of aproximatly 270x90x32mm will become illegal as they could be confused with a PP-90 (a Russian fold up SMG).

And remember, this is the New Labor govenment of the UK. It seems that they plan to outlaw anything and everything that is enjoyed by a minority and does not hurt any one. They'll ban fishing next.... (maybe terroists could be using their rods to plant bombs in canals or something equilly as suspect as a reason...)

This isn't an anti-airsoft law. It's just a consequence, stopping these replicas is worth it if it even makes a tiny difference.

That's bullshit. Is it worth banning anything that might cause the slightest chance of death? Why not ban eating peanut butter in public? I'm not suggesting one will lead to the other, but sometimes you have to draw a line. How many people in one year die from being shot by police thinking that they have a real gun when it's really a replica? A few highly publicized events a year, the difference is not worthwhile.

Time to stick to replica swords everyone?

Bump for today..