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This thread is in retaliation of Swilatia's "ten things i hate about Canada" thread. only I'm going to add validation to *my* stance.

1. They open thier mouths, and say things about other people before looking at the facts. - a prime example of this is the statement some Americans made about Canada getting all it's good from America. guess what! we produce about 60% of our own goods, including B.C. produce and lumber, Alberta beef (which is *perfectly* fine and has *nothing* wrong with it!), grain, and metals (gold, aluminum, and much more) Dairy from just about everywhere in the country, seafood from both coasts and much, much more! P.S. the goods we *don't* produce ourselves, we get mostly from other countries, textiles from china, computer parts from Japan, more foodstuffs from the tropics, we only get about 20% of our imports from America.

2. They're warmongers. - they go out of thier way to agrivate people, and start wars that they don't need, and shouldn't be involved in. then, on top of that, they get angry when people criticize them, saying that they're "against the cause of democracy" or "terroists". you *all* know what i'm talking about

3. They're Ignorant. - It's true, the average american has no clue what's going on outside of thier own borders, and prefer to live in ignorance of it, even when it affects them directly.

4. They steal credit for Canadian inventions - Supersonic aircraft (the Arrow, Avro Canada), the space shuttle (okay, i was invented in America, i'll give you that, but about 80% of the scientists were Canadian, and it used Canadian-devised technology), The Telephone (Alexander Graham Bell, Halifax), the list goes on.

5. They have Bastardized the English language beyond reconciliation. - Do i need to list the ways you have, or can i just leave it here? (come on, even you Americans should know what i'm talking about)

6. Thier Leader is a biggotted, racist, fundamentalist moron. - Bush has proven this himself with his lack of command of the English language, attacks on random counties (verbally, not litterally) and lack of consideration for other cultures and ways of doing things.

7. They're power hungry. - They're threatend by anything that can be seen as compitition for thier place as "the worlds only super-power".

8. They're Aroggant. - They think they can push everyone around because they have a more developed military, and a lot of money. Wanna know something? Canada plays a pivotal role in the training of your pilots, seamen, and recruits! oh and by the way, *our military is better trained than yours!*

9. They're just plain dumb. - America has the lowest GPA nationwide, they have less high school graduates, per capita, than any other developed nation in the world, and thier nationwide literacy rate is below 90%. how do you live with yourselves!

10. They refuse to admit defeat, even when it is plainly obvious. - four prime examples: the Vietnam War - yeah, that's right, I said it! you got your asses *whupped*-, The Bay of Pigs, and of course: the Alamo, finaly: The War of 1812 - you're *still* denying the fact that Canada kicked your ass!

a prime example of this is the statement Swilatia made about Canada getting all it's good from America.Swilatia is Polish, I think.

Swilatia is Polish, I think.
does that matter?

what i am saying is in defence of my country, not just bashing america - although it is bashing america to a point - but it's mostly to show the canadian point of view

does that matter?If you refer to Swilatia's statement as being a prime example as to how Americans open their mouths and say things that aren't true and Swilatia isn't American, then yes, it matters.

If you refer to Swilatia's statement as being a prime example as to how Americans open their mouths and say things that aren't true and Swilatia isn't American, then yes, it matters.

okay, good point, please forgive my lapse of thought

1. They open thier mouths, and say things about other people before looking at the facts. - a prime example of this is the statement Swilatia made about Canada getting all it's good from America. guess what! we produce about 60% of our own goods, including B.C. produce and lumber, Alberta beef (which is *perfectly* fine and has *nothing* wrong with it!), grain, and metals (gold, aluminum, and much more) Dairy from just about everywhere in the country, seafood from both coasts and much, much more! P.S. the goods we *don't* produce ourselves, we get mostly from other countries, textiles from china, computer parts from Japan, more foodstuffs from the tropics, we only get about 20% of our imports from America.
No argument here
2. They're warmongers. - they go out of thier way to agrivate people, and start wars that they don't need, and shouldn't be involved in. then, on top of that, they get angry when people criticize them, saying that they're "against the cause of democracy" or "terroists". you *all* know what i'm talking about
With Bush in office, yeah.
3. They're Ignorant. - It's true, the average american has no clue what's going on outside of thier own borders, and prefer to live in ignorance of it, even when it affects them directly.
Oncw again no argument
4. They steal credit for Canadian inventions - Supersonic aircraft (the Arrow, Avro Canada), the space shuttle (okay, i was invented in America, i'll give you that, but about 80% of the scientists were Canadian, and it used Canadian-devised technology), The Telephone (Alexander Graham Bell, Halifax), the list goes on.
Not aware of any American claim to either supersonic aircraft or the telephone.
5. They have Bastardized the English language beyond reconciliation. - Do i need to list the ways you have, or can i just leave it here? (come on, even you Americans should know what i'm talking about)
Yup
6. Thier Leader is a biggotted, racist, fundamentalist moron. - Bush has proven this himself with his lack of command of the English language, attacks on random counties (verbally, not litterally) and lack of consideration for other cultures and ways of doing things.
I refuse to take responsibility for that chimp.
7. They're power hungry. - They're threatend by anything that can be seen as compitition for thier place as "the worlds only super-power".
:confused:
8. They're Aroggant. - They think they can push everyone around because they have a more developed military, and a lot of money. Wanna know something? Canada plays a pivotal role in the traing of your pilots, seamen, and recruits! oh and by the way, *our military is better trained than yours!*
True, except for the part about the military, except possibly the better trained part
9. They're just plain dumb. - America has the lowest GPA nationwide, they have less high school graduates, per capita, than any other developed nation in the world, and thier nationwide literacy rate is below 90%. how do you live with yourselves!
I try not to ;)
10. They refuse to admit defeat, even when it is plainly obvious. - four prime examples: the Vietnam War - yeah, that's right, I said it! you got your asses *whupped*-, The Bay of Pigs, and of course: the Alamo, finaly: The War of 1812 - you're *still* denying the fact that Canada kicked your ass!
How did Canada kick our ass in the war of 1812? Also the battle for the Alamo did not take place in America.

what i am saying is in defence of my country, not just bashing america - although it is bashing america to a point - but it's mostly to show the canadian point of viewWhat do you mean not bashing America? I doubt it shows a Canadian point of view. It shows a disgruntled Canadian point of view.

And considering that this is in response to a Pole "bashing" Canada, you shouldn't be bashing the USA. A bashing of Poland would be more appropriate (not that I'm encouraging you to do this).

Noy that I want to invoke any kind of xenophobic stereotyping, but what the hell:

WELL SAID!

For the record, and comming from a 'neutral' citizen of the UK, Canada is by far a nice place and better functioning society than the US

Swilatia is Polish, I think.
Yes, I am polish.

Yes, I am polish.God forbid! We agree! :D

Yes, I am polish.... and trying to be American.

How did Canada kick our ass in the war of 1812? Also the battle for the Alamo did not take place in America.
America's Attempt at the invasion of Canadian (then british, but under the name "Canada" so i can see where the confusion lies) soil, was foiled by average People who just happened to be living in the area, along with British troops posted to the colony. They later proceded to washington to light the american "house of office" - what would later become the white house - on fire, burning it to the ground.

Yes, I am polish.
okay, sorry about the mix up, you seem too American to be Polish.

4. They steal credit for Canadian inventions - Supersonic aircraft (the Arrow, Avro Canada), the space shuttle (okay, i was invented in America, i'll give you that, but about 80% of the scientists were Canadian, and it used Canadian-devised technology), The Telephone (Alexander Graham Bell, Halifax), the list goes on.That's what I learned in Socials Studies last year. That is pretty weird, they used 1950's technology to build 20 years old space shuttles. No wonder these rockets are falling apart these days.

America's Attempt at the invasion of Canadian (then british, but under the name "Canada" so i can see where the confusion lies) soil, was foiled by average People who just happened to be living in the are, along with British troops posted to the colony. They later proceded to washington to light the american "house of office" - what would later become the white house - on fire, burning it to the ground.That is a battle, and not a war. ;)
No side won the war of 1812. It was a case where both sides managed to break off the conflict before things got worse, noticing that it was one of the most hairbrained incidents in Anglo-American relations to that date. It was a tie more than a victory for anyone.

okay, sorry about the mix up, you seem too American to be Polish.HAHA, that's what I said to him in another thread.

America's Attempt at the invasion of Canadian (then british, but under the name "Canada" so i can see where the confusion lies) soil, was foiled by average People who just happened to be living in the area, along with British troops posted to the colony. They later proceded to washington to light the american "house of office" - what would later become the white house - on fire, burning it to the ground.
Okay, its true that the attempted invasion of Canada was repelled, but "average People" from Canada did not march to Washington and burn down the White House, that was done by British regular army

That is a battle, and not a war. ;)
No side won the war of 1812. It was a case where both sides managed to break off the conflict before things got worse, noticing that it was one of the most hairbrained incidents in Anglo-American relations to that date. It was a tie more than a victory for anyone.
good point, i suppose that you *are* right - as unwilling as i am to admit it - however; America's invasion was repelled, and seeing as the invasion was the main goal of the Americans, than can this not be expressed as a defeat for America?

You sure got a point there.

does that matter?

what i am saying is in defence of my country, not just bashing america - although it is bashing america to a point - but it's mostly to show the canadian point of view
As a VERY Proud Canadian I can say that there are several items that need to be addressed!
1. You can't bash the Yanks for bad grammar and such when you have so many problems in yours. Try typing this in word and then cut/paste into your thread if you are having problems, I do when I should have been in bed hours before.
2. The estimates are usually about 60% of our imports come from the Yanks and about the same of our exports go to them. This said I believe that We have been too dependant on them for trade and should move to other markets where our quality and friendship would be more appreciated!
3. The list should also include Hockey, Basketball and several of their major drugs. Their companies have taken our drugs and begun to claim it as their own. On the international market Yanks still claim that they started hockey and basketball but it is know world-wide that they have their home in Canada!
4. The Alamo was actually a victory as the whole intent was to buy time for the formation of the armies to defend the territories leaving Mexico. The Bay of Pigs wasn't a defeat of American forces. It was a defeat of American trained forces that came from Cuba and were then abandoned and betrayed by the Americans, minor technicality.
5. I am forced to defend President Bush since the alternative was Kerry and he is so weak that we would be looking at MAJOR terrorist strikes throughout North America since they would have little to no fear of reprisals. People still make me laugh by saying that given the fact that we went into Iraq and have found no WMD's that Bush made the whole thing up as an excuse to invade. The facts are more simplistic:
A) We know they had them,
B) We have found no evidence they were destroyed,
C) We do not control the northern areas from which Saddam drew his power base and it is honeycombed with caves everywhere,
D) If you hid something in the ever shifting desert and knew EXACTLY where it was when you returned you would have at best a 75% chance of finding it again. If you don't know where it is -- Good Luck you would need it!
6. You can't fault the Americans or Bush for his grasp of the English language, or as they have begun calling it American, when our Prime Ministers have not had a very good grasp of it for the past couple of decades. Our last one couldn't even speak french with any dignity!
7. When it comes to our military forces; any engaments between our forces be they on land, sea or in the air our forces have ALWAYS had to fight with a handicap. IE: Our fighters have to carry a heavy payload to slow us down to the Yank speed.
That is a battle, and not a war. ;)
No side won the war of 1812. It was a case where both sides managed to break off the conflict before things got worse, noticing that it was one of the most hairbrained incidents in Anglo-American relations to that date. It was a tie more than a victory for anyone.
So let me get this straight: An invading army is not only stopped but thrown back hundreds of Km into their own country and has their capital destroyed is NOT a victory? Secondly the majority of the troops were Canadian militia and Native warriors.

good point, i suppose that you *are* right - as unwilling as i am to admit it - however; America's invasion was repelled, and seeing as the invasion was the main goal of the Americans, than can this not be expressed as a defeat for America?In a battle, yes. But consider that the British withdrew from America too, so that would make the war a British defeat, by that standard (especially since they were paying reparations and apologized numerous times). I don't think anyone won this avoidable war...
(Heh, Ireland is the only country to have successfully invaded Canada...:D)

In a battle, yes. But consider that the British withdrew from America too, so that would make the war a British defeat, by that standard (especially since they were paying reparations and apologized numerous times). I don't think anyone won this avoidable war...
(Heh, Ireland is the only country to have successfully invaded Canada...:D)
:D As an Irish Canadian, HE** YEAH! :p

3. The list should also include Hockey, Basketball and several of their major drugs. Their companies have taken our drugs and begun to claim it as their own. On the international market Yanks still claim that they started hockey and basketball but it is know world-wide that they have their home in Canada!You mean "ice hockey". "Hockey" was first played in Great Britain. ;)

5. I am forced to defend President Bush since the alternative was Kerry and he is so weak that we would be looking at MAJOR terrorist strikes throughout North America since they would have little to no fear of reprisals. Hm? Kerry was never for letting terrorists get away with anything. Conservatives liked to claim he would.
People still make me laugh by saying that given the fact that we went into Iraq and have found no WMD's that Bush made the whole thing up as an excuse to invade. The facts are more simplistic:The evidence was fake. Whether or not there were WMDs at the time, the case for it was certainly made up. ("We" went into Iraq? Canada sent troops?)
A) We know they had them,And?
B) We have found no evidence they were destroyed,Which could well mean that they've been destroyed for a very long time, as Saddam claimed.
C) We do not control the northern areas from which Saddam drew his power base and it is honeycombed with caves everywhere,And? It may be easy to hide chemical agents or bacteria, but the missiles he needed to deliver them with which he wasn't allowed to own either don't fit in your regular run of the mill cave.
D) If you hid something in the ever shifting desert and knew EXACTLY where it was when you returned you would have at best a 75% chance of finding it again. If you don't know where it is -- Good Luck you would need it!The coalition troops came up with a clever tactic for finding scuds buried in sand during the day time. They used infrared to find the heated metal during dusk.

1. You can't bash the Yanks for bad grammar and such when you have so many problems in yours. Try typing this in word and then cut/paste into your thread if you are having problems, I do when I should have been in bed hours before.


my apologies, it's 2:45 in the morning, i'm running off of coffee, and my brain is fried.


2. The estimates are usually about 60% of our imports come from the Yanks and about the same of our exports go to them. This said I believe that We have been too dependant on them for trade and should move to other markets where our quality and friendship would be more appreciated!


I have actually been looking at the figures, and belive that we could both actually be wrong, this is a case of me putting too much faith in my mathematical abilities at 2:45 in the morning, and not thinking straight.


3. The list should also include Hockey, Basketball and several of their major drugs. Their companies have taken our drugs and begun to claim it as their own. On the international market Yanks still claim that they started hockey and basketball but it is know world-wide that they have their home in Canada!


Completley right


4. The Alamo was actually a victory as the whole intent was to buy time for the formation of the armies to defend the territories leaving Mexico. The Bay of Pigs wasn't a defeat of American forces. It was a defeat of American trained forces that came from Cuba and were then abandoned and betrayed by the Americans, minor technicality.


thank you, i never knew that. please forgive my brash statement.


5. I am forced to defend President Bush since the alternative was Kerry and he is so weak that we would be looking at MAJOR terrorist strikes throughout North America since they would have little to no fear of reprisals. People still make me laugh by saying that given the fact that we went into Iraq and have found no WMD's that Bush made the whole thing up as an excuse to invade. The facts are more simplistic:
A) We know they had them,
B) We have found no evidence they were destroyed,
C) We do not control the northern areas from which Saddam drew his power base and it is honeycombed with caves everywhere,
D) If you hid something in the ever shifting desert and knew EXACTLY where it was when you returned you would have at best a 75% chance of finding it again. If you don't know where it is -- Good Luck you would need it!


good point, i'm not going to put any argument up for this one, scince you shot me down so superbly.

So let me get this straight: An invading army is not only stopped but thrown back hundreds of Km into their own country and has their capital destroyed is NOT a victory? Secondly the majority of the troops were Canadian militia and Native warriors.Nope. I was referring to the difference between winning a battle and winning the war. The US won pretty much every major battle in Vietnam, but they lost the war. Germany creamed the Russians at Tannenberg; that was the single worst defeat any modern army has suffered to date. Still, the Germans lost the war.
In the end, the total result is the important thing.

So let me get this straight: An invading army is not only stopped but thrown back hundreds of Km into their own country and has their capital destroyed is NOT a victory? Secondly the majority of the troops were Canadian militia and Native warriors.
No, a majority of the troops that took Washington and burned the capital building to the ground were not Canadian Militia, the force was almost exclusively British Regular Army.

5. They have Bastardized the English language beyond reconciliation. - Do i need to list the ways you have, or can i just leave it here? (come on, even you Americans should know what i'm talking about)

Two things. First, the word you're attempting to use is probably 'recognition', not 'reconciliation'. We get along fine with our language.

Second. What, are you kidding me? Please pronounce the following proper nouns:
-Thames
-Leicester
-Edinburgh
-Warwick
-Gloucester
-Saint John

Now, let's review.

1. Were any vowels swallowed and erased?
2. Were any consonant group sounds (e.g. sh, ch, th) misrepresented?
3. Were any vowels given the sound of a completely different vowel?
4. Were any Scottish capita--I mean, were any consonant clusters given a vowel sound?
5. Were any middles of words completely removed?
6. Were any biblical figures end up rhyming with 'banjin'?

Yeah. The English language has been bastardized since long before Americans got involved. Think what you will, but Bernard Shaw is on my side.

Repeat: "The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain."

6. Thier Leader is a biggotted, racist, fundamentalist moron. - Bush has proven this himself with his lack of command of the English language, attacks on random counties (verbally, not litterally) and lack of consideration for other cultures and ways of doing things.

I'll give you fundamentalist, but I don't know how you get racist and "biggotted" out of his lack of command of the English language. In fact, I'm willing to bet his language skills prejudice you against him as a person. Does that make you "biggotted"?

9. They're just plain dumb. - America has the lowest GPA nationwide, they have less high school graduates, per capita, than any other developed nation in the world, and thier nationwide literacy rate is below 90%. how do you live with yourselves!

1. No need for that dash--you already have a period beforehand.
2. "Fewer" high school graduates, not "less". You see, "less" applies to an immeasurable quantity (e.g. money) whereas "fewer" applies to a measurable one (e.g. dollars).
3. Remove the commas around "per capita". This type of comma grouping is used if the phrase is not necessary to describe the rest of the sentence. Because "they have fewer high school graduates than any other developed nation" is not what you were trying to say, the "per capita" is required and, thus, does not need a comma grouping.
4. "I" before "E" 'cept after "C".
5. Any letter at the beginning of a sentence should be capitalised, including the all-elusive "H".

Okay, now that that's straightened out, what were you saying? Was it something about how I live with myself?

10. They refuse to admit defeat, even when it is plainly obvious. - four prime examples: the Vietnam War - yeah, that's right, I said it! you got your asses *whupped*-, The Bay of Pigs, and of course: the Alamo, finaly: The War of 1812 - you're *still* denying the fact that Canada kicked your ass!

You are absolutely correct; we take far too long to admit defeat. I mean, it only took Britain seven years to give up on beating America.

And all this after I was so nice in my pro-Canada thread. You do realize that it took Canada until 1982 to obtain the right of total control over its own constitution, do you not? Sheesh. Just because your country is cool does not mean Americans are sub-human.

Nope. I was referring to the difference between winning a battle and winning the war. The US won pretty much every major battle in Vietnam, but they lost the war. Germany creamed the Russians at Tannenberg; that was the single worst defeat any modern army has suffered to date. Still, the Germans lost the war.
In the end, the total result is the important thing.

But since the US was unable to achieve any of the objectives that it had set out, would that not mean they lost he war?

America's Attempt at the invasion of Canadian (then british, but under the name "Canada" so i can see where the confusion lies) soil, was foiled by average People who just happened to be living in the area, along with British troops posted to the colony. They later proceded to washington to light the american "house of office" - what would later become the white house - on fire, burning it to the ground.

Go Laura Secord! The Canadian Paul Rever... umm, forget I said that.

But seriously, the White House wasn't burned *to the ground*; thanks to the rain, it was just burned. Hence the need to repaint it white, as opposed to rebuilding it entirely.

I know that the United States isn't a popular country, and unlike the "average American" I keep myself extremely involved in world news. I know what's going on, thanks, and I know you're being everything you've called Americans.

You are being, quite frankly, ignorant. Generalization is never good, and I don't take it too kindly that you decided to attack the American people based upon a stupid group of people that offended you. Get over it, mmk? I have to deal with people bashing Americans all the time...

I'm very aware of our dumb state, and I deplore it. We have to take serious measures to catch up with the rest of the world, but that doesn't mean I'll just sit around twiddling my thumbs waiting for it. I'll be moving out of the country within a decade because:

A. I'm tired of this society that always wants and never gives.
B. I'm tired of a government that won't do anything that makes a difference.
C. I'm tired of the Christian fundies trying to restrict rights of hard-working
Americans.
D. I want to live in a country that at least has it close to right.


Now, I strongly encourage you to focus your attacks against my government in the future.

4. They steal credit for Canadian inventions - Supersonic aircraft (the Arrow, Avro Canada),

The Avro Arrow first flew in 1958.

The United States first flew a supersonic testbed (the XS-1, or X-1) in 1947.

The United States first flew a supersonic fighter (the F-100 Super Sabre) in 1953, and it became operational in 1954.

Anyone but a Canadian would say that the United States designed the first supersonic aircraft, and the first useful supersonic aircraft.

I'm not an American, but I will tell what I hate about Canadians, they lack any identity, they simply define themselves as "not of the United States"

They're also the most gullible people I've ever encountered. They watch news and BELIEVE what they see there! They read comments in a paper and take them as reports (well, given that most reports are more like comments today, it's understandable).

At least the people in former communist countries knew that their media were lying. Just because you have free press doesn't mean that they tell you the truth. It only means they tell you what they want you to believe instead of what the government wants you to believe.

As soon as those lies become the same, dictatorship is achived.

I know, they even accept as perfectly fine that they are not allowed to watch certain TV channels.

What's with this sudden emergence of "Ten things that piss me off about whatever" threads? Swilitia, you started a bad, ugly trend in these hallowed forums. Now, as a Canadian, I can't stand just about everything about america, but when there's a line, I don't cross it. Everyone's bickering back and forth about who is better or worse, and for what stupid reason. Everybody should just calm down and stop arguing. It doesn't matter. Can't we just forget it, and learn to get along like we used to? :(

4. They steal credit for Canadian inventions - Supersonic aircraft (the Arrow, Avro Canada), the space shuttle (okay, i was invented in America, i'll give you that, but about 80% of the scientists were Canadian, and it used Canadian-devised technology), The Telephone (Alexander Graham Bell, Halifax), the list goes on.



I though Alexander Grahem Bell was Scottish?

I am an American but I have to agree with you. Also, if you asked an American where the internet was invented the vast majority of them would probably say America, when in fact it was in Switzerland. I think Canada is a cool country.

The Internet was invented in both the US and Switzerland (by an Englishman).

The network technology was developed by DARPA.

Timothy Berners-Lee developed the World Wide Web.

Alexander Graham Bell was Scottish not Canadian

okay, sorry about the mix up, you seem too American to be Polish.
Why do you think that?? :confused: :confused: :confused:

And they always make generalized statments about large groups of people too. Those bastards!

Note: Many of the thread starters points do not reflect the opinions or beliefs of other canadians.

Thank you.