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This is utterly ridiculous.. the relationship (22 years long thus far) between the two women obviously is dangerous and unstable. :rolleyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050923/ap_on_re_us/lesbians__daughter

ONTARIO, Calif. - A 14-year-old student was expelled from a Christian school because her parents are lesbians, the school's superintendent said in a letter.

Shay Clark was expelled from Ontario Christian School on Thursday.

"Your family does not meet the policies of admission," Superintendent Leonard Stob wrote to Tina Clark, the girl's biological mother.

Stob wrote that school policy requires that at least one parent may not engage in practices "immoral or inconsistent with a positive Christian life style, such as cohabitating without marriage or in a homosexual relationship," The Los Angeles Times reported in Friday's edition.

Stob could not be reached for comment by the newspaper. Shay and her parents said they won't fight the ruling.

School administrators learned of the parents' relationship this week after Shay was reprimanded for talking to the crowd during a football game, Tina Clark said.

Clark and her partner have been together 22 years and have two other daughters, ages 9 and 19.

This is utterly ridiculous.. the relationship (22 years long thus far) between the two women obviously is dangerous and unstable. :rolleyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050923/ap_on_re_us/lesbians__daughter

Then again, a school with that sort of policies may not be a place they would want to go to anyway. In any case, its the school's loss.

So a 22 year relationship with three children (ages spaced by 10+ years, at that) merits expulsion from a school because the parents are gay, but students whose parents are drunks, drug addicts, wife beaters, deadbeats, or anything else are A-Ok because they're straight? :rolleyes:

Its a Catholic school, people pay to go there, so it's a service business. A service business has the right to deny service on whatever grounds they wish. End of story.

PS. Do I think it's fair? No. But school, and life in general, are rarely fair.

Note that they are a Christian school and have the ability as such to deny admission baed upon the religous beliefs the school suscribes to. I think what they did was fine and I would expect nothing less.

That's stupid. Even if it is a Christian school, the bible says being gay is a sin, just like adultery, just like getting drunk. Do they expel kids with alcoholic parents?

Punish the child for the sins of the parents!

Ahh well she was probably too smart for that school anyway.

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That's stupid. Even if it is a Christian school, the bible says being gay is a sin, just like adultery, just like getting drunk. Do they expel kids with alcoholic parents?

According to the bible, getting a hair cut and eating shell fish are sins.

Vetalia said it well. Right on the dot...

Sucks for her. I guess one of the moms should've dressed in drag though and worn a fake mustache while noticeably faking a male accent.

The school was being unchristian when they expelled her. If the principal was one of those Christians who thought homosexuality was bad, then s/he (I can't remember) shouldn't become one. However, it is not Christian to hurt that girls family and acedemic career, not to mention her self-esteem and view of her parents, because of this.

I don't care what anyone quotes from OT or anything of the like. Hurting others for anything, even if you do believe it is a sin, is NOT YOUR PLACE. This is a right reserved to (and thankfully not used by) God. The last time humans thought otherwise, we got the Crusades. :headbang:

That's stupid. Even if it is a Christian school, the bible says being gay is a sin, just like adultery, just like getting drunk. Do they expel kids with alcoholic parents?

Probably depends on how "refined" they are about it. Like whether they get drunk on wine or beer.

According to the bible, getting a hair cut and eating shell fish are sins.

Vetalia said it well. Right on the dot...

Does that mean hippie vegans are obeying the bible more than Christian gays?

Ah, such nice Christian values. You'd think that during 2000 years they would have gotten over their puerile penchant for shunning people? :rolleyes:

Ah, such nice Christian values. You'd think that during 2000 years they would have gotten over their puerile penchant for shunning people? :rolleyes:

Stupidity ripens with age.

I don't care what anyone quotes from OT or anything of the like. Hurting others for anything, even if you do believe it is a sin, is NOT YOUR PLACE. This is a right reserved to (and thankfully not used by) God. The last time humans thought otherwise, we got the Crusades. :headbang:

Christians aren't even supposed to be following the old testatment to bgin with.

Oh and something funny today.. I kissed my boyfriend when two mormons were right walking behind us at university today. I didn't know they were there.. lol..

"School administrators learned of the parents' relationship this week after Shay was reprimanded for talking to the crowd during a football game"

wait, what?

That's stupid. Even if it is a Christian school, the bible says being gay is a sin, just like adultery, just like getting drunk. Do they expel kids with alcoholic parents?
Ahem. Actually, Levitucus says not to lie in bed with a man as you would lie with a woman, but this is addressed to men. As for lesbians, the official Jewish conclusion is that homosexual relations between women violate the commandment to "be fruitful and multiply" and are also a form of sodomy. Getting drunk isn't really a sin per se (in Catholicism, to my knowledge at least) and adultury would be just plain too hard to enforce (just like covetousness *nudge nudge*).

I'm looking right now, trying to find where it says anything about being gay in the Bible, on page three and nothing so far...

According to the bible, getting a hair cut and eating shell fish are sins.

Vetalia said it well. Right on the dot...
I do believe that was a gross misinterpretation of Jewish law.

Ahem. Actually, Levitucus says not to lie in bed with a man as you would lie with a woman, but this is addressed to men.


The book of Acts says not to follow the Old Testament laws :D

Ahem. Actually, Levitucus says not to lie in bed with a man as you would lie with a woman, but this is addressed to men. As for lesbians, the official Jewish conclusion is that homosexual relations between women violate the commandment to "be fruitful and multiply" and are also a form of sodomy. Getting drunk isn't really a sin per se (in Catholicism, to my knowledge at least) and adultury would be just plain too hard to enforce (just like covetousness *nudge nudge*).

Does the Leviticus passage actually say its addressed to men? If not, it could be interpreted as a commandment to lesbians to not go bi.

The book of Acts says not to follow the Old Testament laws :D
I'm Jewish. :D

oh by the way, she was expelled during her last week of classes, and one of their other daughters graduated a few years back from the school. They also say that the school knew about her parents but took no action before. This was just on the news...

Christians are not supposed to be following the old testament.

Does the Leviticus passage actually say its addressed to men? If not, it could be interpreted as a commandment to lesbians to not go bi.
Well, there are two ways to interpret it:
1. To a man- Don't have sex with men.
2. To a woman- Don't have lesbian sex with a man(?) [and this would have to assume that women were almost exclusively having sex with other women by the way]
Based on the patriarchy of the times, I'm going with #1.

oh by the way, she was expelled during her last week of classes, and one of their other daughters graduated a few years back from the school. They also say that the school knew about her parents but took no action before. This was just on the news...

Christians are not supposed to be following the old testament.
Which, by the way, would mean that I could have sex with my sister or my mother and it would be okay. (Leviticus said that too...)

Does the Leviticus passage actually say its addressed to men? If not, it could be interpreted as a commandment to lesbians to not go bi.
No, it doesn't.

Let me dig this up:

Ah-hah!

The passages of the bible on homosexuality are very ambiguous. We already know that the bible talks primarily to men. It says "thou shalt not lie with a man as thou wouldst with a woman" in Levticus 18:22. This passage is clearly talking to men instead of women. What a lot of people forget is that it's also not talking not gays for the same reason it's not talking to women; they were not a dominant force in society. Note that God never directly says he is talking to men. He uses "thou" and leaves it for us to decide. The only thing God has ever condemned is straight men performing homosexual acts. A gay man wouldn't lay with a woman that way anyway, so he's in the clear, and this is repeated throughout the bible, like in Paul's letters. God's directions should be simple from these passages: be true to your own nature. The example He gives is of a straight man acting straight, but it could just as easily be applied to a gay man being gay, a straight woman being straight and a lesbian woman being lesbian. In fact, we already apply this to straight women even though the bible doesn't specifically mention them until Paul's letters.

The section on Soddom and Gommorah are also often taken wrong. The point of the story was the disrespect the townsfolk showed to strangers, something that was considered very wrong in biblical times. One of Jesus' main messages was to take in the stranger, not to rape him. The fact that they were men raping male angels is not the important part of the story. The section with Lot offering his virgin daughter is not meant to show that the men in the city are gay, but rather that they are determined to cause affront to the strangers who have arrived. After all, if they were gay God wouldn't need to rain down fire and brimstone: he'd just have to wait a generation. This is why the term soddomy is miscoined. The story of Soddom and Gomorrah was never meant to condemn homosexuality, but rather to condemn the mistreatment of the stranger or traveller, just as Jesus spoke of the values of taking in the stranger in the Gospels.

Which, by the way, would mean that I could have sex with my sister or my mother and it would be okay. (Leviticus said that too...)

And how is that relevant to my post there?

Christians aren't even supposed to be following the old testatment to bgin with.


Jesus preached from the Torah (Old Testament.) And all his teachings are usually included in Christian religions.

GOOD!!! About damn time someone standing up to all these fags and their liberalness. By the way, what the hell are fag parents doing sending their child to Christen school.....they obviously arnt religious, and they cant possibly think it would be ok to send their kid there. Go school!!! We need to see more of this. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Oh please... liberalness (SIC)? Christen (SIC) school? People can be christian and gay. Not all christians are crazed fundamentalists as yourself. Oh and that typical crap line about Adam and Eve... give me a break...

GOOD!!! About damn time someone standing up to all these fags and their liberalness. By the way, what the hell are fag parents doing sending their child to Christen school.....they obviously arnt religious, and they cant possibly think it would be ok to send their kid there. Go school!!! We need to see more of this. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
My minister is a lesbian and she preaches one heck of a sermon. Try telling me she isn't religious.

Oh please... liberalness (SIC)? Christen (SIC) school? People can be christian and gay. Not all christians are crazed fundamentalists as yourself. Oh and that typical crap line about Adam and Eve... give me a break...

Typical, but true. And I'm sorry but "give me a break" does not cut it as a comeback.

Jesus preached from the Torah (Old Testament.) And all his teachings are usually included in Christian religions.

Yes, but as someone already said, In the New Testament, written later, it says not to follow the Old Testament laws. And as far as I know, (Christian kid for 17 years before I turned *cough* Evil) It doesn't say anything about not being gay in the new testament. Course you can go up to any Christian and they'll tell you its wrong because most of them, I did say most, are pretentious jerks. I agree with what someone else said tho, that its not fair that another kids parents could be alchoholics or drug addicts or sex offenders and it wouldn't matter. But a stable marriage of 22 years is bad, just because the women don't like men. o.o

My minister is a lesbian and she preaches one heck of a sermon. Try telling me she isn't religious.

Thats wrong, but you dont even have to take my word for it. Take Pope Benedicts. He is issuing a statement that says there are not allowed to be gay church officials, at all. I just read about it yesterday on yahoo news.

And how is that relevant to my post there?
Pointing out that, in practice, Christians use the Old Testament.

Typical, but true. And I'm sorry but "give me a break" does not cut it as a comeback.

Ha, what did you provide that prompts a comeback? Nothing.

Yes, but as someone already said, In the New Testament, written later, it says not to follow the Old Testament laws. And as far as I know, (Christian kid for 17 years before I turned *cough* Evil) It doesn't say anything about not being gay in the new testament. Course you can go up to any Christian and they'll tell you its wrong because most of them, I did say most, are pretentious jerks. I agree with what someone else said tho, that its not fair that another kids parents could be alchoholics or drug addicts or sex offenders and it wouldn't matter. But a stable marriage of 22 years is bad, just because the women don't like men. o.o
Paul's letters to the Corinthians actually sort of condemn it.

That said, the passages of the bible on homosexuality are very ambiguous. We already know that the bible talks primarily to men. It says "thou shalt not lie with a man as thou wouldst with a woman" in Levticus 18:22. This passage is clearly talking to men instead of women. What a lot of people forget is that it's also not talking not gays for the same reason it's not talking to women; they were not a dominant force in society. Note that God never directly says he is talking to men. He uses "thou" and leaves it for us to decide. The only thing God has ever condemned is straight men performing homosexual acts. A gay man wouldn't lay with a woman that way anyway, so he's in the clear, and this is repeated throughout the bible, like in Paul's letters. God's directions should be simple from these passages: be true to your own nature. The example He gives is of a straight man acting straight, but it could just as easily be applied to a gay man being gay, a straight woman being straight and a lesbian woman being lesbian. In fact, we already apply this to straight women even though the bible doesn't specifically mention them until Paul's letters.

The section on Soddom and Gommorah are also often taken wrong. The point of the story was the disrespect the townsfolk showed to strangers, something that was considered very wrong in biblical times. One of Jesus' main messages was to take in the stranger, not to rape him. The fact that they were men raping male angels is not the important part of the story. The section with Lot offering his virgin daughter is not meant to show that the men in the city are gay, but rather that they are determined to cause affront to the strangers who have arrived. After all, if they were gay God wouldn't need to rain down fire and brimstone: he'd just have to wait a generation. This is why the term soddomy is miscoined. The story of Soddom and Gomorrah was never meant to condemn homosexuality, but rather to condemn the mistreatment of the stranger or traveller, just as Jesus spoke of the values of taking in the stranger in the Gospels.

Thats wrong, but you dont even have to take my word for it. Take Pope Benedicts. He is issuing a statement that says there are not allowed to be gay church officials, at all. I just read about it yesterday on yahoo news.

Oh please. Because one old man that didn't want to be pope in the first place says that somethings not allowed, everyone scurries around and does his bidding?

Ha, what did you provide that prompts a comeback? Nothing.

Obviously I provided something, because you commented on it, idiot lol.

Obviously I provided something, because you commented on it, idiot lol.

Do not use ad hominems. You have been reported.

Oh please. Because one old man that didn't want to be pope in the first place says that somethings not allowed, everyone scurries around and does his bidding?
Could it be because he is the head honcho of a major religion?

Thats wrong, but you dont even have to take my word for it. Take Pope Benedicts. He is issuing a statement that says there are not allowed to be gay church officials, at all. I just read about it yesterday on yahoo news.
a) Benedict = Catholic
b) The ruling will be harshly criticised by Christian officials all over the place
c) The Catholic chruch is also helping a Croatian war criminal ot hide from the ICC.

As for your general attitude: :rolleyes:

Try and mount one cohesive argument why being gay justifies being discriminated against.
Then tell me what the daughter (who apparently isn't a lesbian) has to do with her parents' sexual persuasion.

Oh please. Because one old man that didn't want to be pope in the first place says that somethings not allowed, everyone scurries around and does his bidding?

Uh yeah, he is the Pope. Thats what hes there for.

Do not use ad hominems. You have been reported.

OoOoO

a) Benedict = Catholic
b) The ruling will be harshly criticised by Christian officials all over the place
c) The Catholic chruch is also helping a Croatian war criminal ot hide from the ICC.

As for your general attitude: :rolleyes:

Try and mount one cohesive argument why being gay justifies being discriminated against.
Then tell me what the daughter (who apparently isn't a lesbian) has to do with her parents' sexual persuasion.

It isnt the girls fault. The fault lays with whoever allowed gay couples to be parents....Which, in my opinion, shouldnt be allowed.

a) Benedict = Catholic
b) The ruling will be harshly criticised by Christian officials all over the place
c) The Catholic chruch is also helping a Croatian war criminal ot hide from the ICC.

As for your general attitude: :rolleyes:

Try and mount one cohesive argument why being gay justifies being discriminated against.
Then tell me what the daughter (who apparently isn't a lesbian) has to do with her parents' sexual persuasion.
We aren't talking about discrimination. It is about the right of a private organization to enforce its values. They don't want a lesbian couple's child at their school so they don't have to. She can go to public school and church instead if she so desires. Nothing more to say.

Could it be because he is the head honcho of a major religion?

NOOOOOOOOO :rolleyes: lol you tell em.

Uh yeah, he is the Pope. Thats what hes there for.

So, because he's the pope, if he told everyone that getting married in general was wrong, everyone would do it?

I'm not even going to continue here because everyones going to jump on me for dissing their religion. So. Getting back to the orignal subject. A marriage of 22 years is more stable than a lot of people I know and their kids go to christian or catholic school.

It isnt the girls fault. The fault lays with whoever allowed gay couples to be parents....Which, in my opinion, shouldnt be allowed.

Right. Why should this gay couple not be allowed to be parents? This is a stable loving couple.. and they should be allowed to raise children if they want.

Why should I be denied that right if I want to one day raise a child?

I'm gay. That's right. You have a problem with it? You want to say it to my face?

We aren't talking about discrimination. It is about the right of a private organization to enforce its values. They don't want a lesbian couple's child at their school so they don't have to. She can go to public school and church instead if she so desires. Nothing more to say.

We weren't talking about wether it is legal or not. Or wether its their right. We were discussing people's opinions to wether it IS right or wrong. The fact that they CAN expel the girl has nothing to do with the fact of wether they should have or not, considering all the evidence.

So, because he's the pope, if he told everyone that getting married in general was wrong, everyone would do it?

I'm not even going to continue here because everyones going to jump on me for dissing their religion. So. Getting back to the orignal subject. A marriage of 22 years is more stable than a lot of people I know and their kids go to christian or catholic school.

Numero uno, I'm not Catholic...I just happen to support Catholicism because of its conservatism.

Numero 2. He wouldnt tell everyone not to get married, because thats not against his religion, homosexuality on the other hand, is.

So a 22 year relationship with three children (ages spaced by 10+ years, at that) merits expulsion from a school because the parents are gay, but students whose parents are drunks, drug addicts, wife beaters, deadbeats, or anything else are A-Ok because they're straight? :rolleyes:

It's a private school, so it's very possible that it doesn't have students with any of the other types of families you've named either.

Numero uno, I'm not Catholic...I just happen to support Catholicism because of its conservatism.

Numero 2. He wouldnt tell everyone not to get married, because thats not against his religion, homosexuality on the other hand, is.

My goodness. Such defensiveness, you proved my point that people would jump on me. Which is why I wanted to just drop it and move on, but people have to keep going. I was making an example. I never stated I thought the pope WOULD say that. It was an exxagerated example for crying out loud.

Right. Why should this gay couple not be allowed to be parents? This is a stable loving couple.. and they should be allowed to raise children if they want.

Why should I be denied that right if I want to one day raise a child?

I'm gay. That's right. You have a problem with it? You want to say it to my face?

I-have-a-problem-with-it. Lol I love it, a gay guy trying to step up. They/you shouldnt be allowed to have kids for two solid reasons.

1. They/you are not a REAL couple, you cannot make your own kids.

2. The kids, and I speak for about 99% of the kids of the world, would not want to have gay parents, if they had a choice. Who the hell, that is straight, would want to have gay parents. Its not even close to fair for the kids.

It's a private school, so it's very possible that it doesn't have students with any of the other types of families you've named either.

You've got to be kidding me. The smallest private school has at least a hundred or so parents. You can't tell me that every one of them is perfect. That none of them are drunks. That none of them are cheating on their partners. For crying out loud 98% of teenagers have tried smoking pot, so that school has all 2%?

My goodness. Such defensiveness, you proved my point that people would jump on me. Which is why I wanted to just drop it and move on, but people have to keep going. I was making an example. I never stated I thought the pope WOULD say that. It was an exxagerated example for crying out loud.

Lol its alright dude, I'm not jumping on you...No worries.

We weren't talking about wether it is legal or not. Or wether its their right. We were discussing people's opinions to wether it IS right or wrong. The fact that they CAN expel the girl has nothing to do with the fact of wether they should have or not, considering all the evidence.
I believe the legality and righteousness of the situation are important pieces of evidence in the discussion.

And my family wonders why I hate the churches....

I-have-a-problem-with-it. Lol I love it, a gay guy trying to step up.

Trying to step up? As far as I'm concerned I provided a coherent intelligent argument.

Have you? Not at all.

1. They/you are not a REAL couple, you cannot make your own kids.

WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THEY ARE NOT A REAL COUPLE? What about straight couples who choose to adopt, and not have their own children? Hypocrite.

2. The kids, and I speak for about 99% of the kids of the world, would not want to have gay parents, if they had a choice. Who the hell, that is straight, would want to have gay parents. Its not even close to fair for the kids.

You don't speak for anyone else but yourself. There are plenty of younger people who support gay people and gay rights. This new generation is more tolerant then ever, and less religious. It is not fair to gay couples to deny them rights.

I-have-a-problem-with-it. Lol I love it, a gay guy trying to step up. They/you shouldnt be allowed to have kids for two solid reasons.

1. They/you are not a REAL couple, you cannot make your own kids.

2. The kids, and I speak for about 99% of the kids of the world, would not want to have gay parents, if they had a choice. Who the hell, that is straight, would want to have gay parents. Its not even close to fair for the kids.

Who are you to say they're not a real couple? If one person in a couple gets in an accident and is brain dead, does that mean they're not a "real" couple? Tell me, what is your idea of a "real" couple? No matter what you say, its YOUR idea. You can't force your opinions on people. Everyone thinks differently than you, alot of people think homosexuality is just fine. And who are you to speak for the worlds children? I wouldn't mind having gay parents at all. My best friend is gay, and my next best friend is a lesbian.

It isnt the girls fault. The fault lays with whoever allowed gay couples to be parents....Which, in my opinion, shouldnt be allowed.
That is utterly irrelevant. In our society people have rights, independent on the way they were born, or choose to live. There is no negative effect on children's upbringing when parents are gay, other than this discrimination.

We aren't talking about discrimination. It is about the right of a private organization to enforce its values. They don't want a lesbian couple's child at their school so they don't have to. She can go to public school and church instead if she so desires. Nothing more to say.
Actually, because the KKK feels like it has to terrorise black people, and because it doesn't get public money, their actions are okay?
Because this is the point: Discrimination is illegal. As long as you follow the law, you can do what you want. But in this case this girl is being discriminated against.

Numero 2. He wouldnt tell everyone not to get married, because thats not against his religion, homosexuality on the other hand, is.
Actually, I believe the Bible doesn not explicitly say anything like that. It's people that interpret it.
Besides, unless you find a 2000 year old copy of the text in Greek, you're reading a falsification anyways.

Dude...Dont listen to that guy, hes an idiot. Im not gonna lie, I hate gay people too, as well as Bis and all that other stuff. But I would never kill anyone....None sane would. I would never act, physically atleast, on my hate.

It's a private school, they can do as they please. If it were public, then there'd be a problem. So, they just have to grin and bear it.

It's a private school, they can do as they please. If it were public, then there'd be a problem. So, they just have to grin and bear it.

No. This is not about whether they are public or private.. it is about whether they have basis to do it, and they don't. There are gay christians... that's not an oxymoron.

It's a private school, they can do as they please. If it were public, then there'd be a problem. So, they just have to grin and bear it.

Are we talking about the legal issues here? Trust me, if there were a loophole, someone would have found it and sued the school. Yes, it IS their right to expel the girl, but is it RIGHT is the question we're discussing.

It's a private school, they can do as they please. If it were public, then there'd be a problem. So, they just have to grin and bear it.
And if a private company decides to spray nuclear waste all over its property, and into the river that flows through it?

Trying to step up? As far as I'm concerned I provided a coherent intelligent argument.

Have you? Not at all.

Calm down missy.



WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THEY ARE NOT A REAL COUPLE? What about straight couples who choose to adopt, and not have their own children? Hypocrite.

Yes but they CAN. And even if individually they cant because of a disease or something, its still in their nature. Males and females were MEANT for each other, not males and males.

You don't speak for anyone else but yourself. There are plenty of younger people who support gay people and gay rights. This new generation is more tolerant then ever, and less religious. It is not fair to gay couples to deny them rights.

I speak for the majority of the population...a large majority. And aslong as we are that large majority...people like you wont get your way. So my advice to you is, move to Canada, Holland, or Spain and be gay there...Where the government will accept you.

I'm a conservative Christian and I find this idiotic. Someone needs to be smacked. If she follows the rules, who the crap cares what her parents sexual orientation is! This makes me mad. >_<

Dude...Dont listen to that guy, hes an idiot. Im not gonna lie, I hate gay people too, as well as Bis and all that other stuff. But I would never kill anyone....None sane would. I would never act, physically atleast, on my hate.

You sad, sad person, you. I'd give you a hug, because you truly do seem to need one.

1. They/you are not a REAL couple, you cannot make your own kids.
Are sterile people not real couples then?
2. The kids, and I speak for about 99% of the kids of the world, would not want to have gay parents, if they had a choice. Who the hell, that is straight, would want to have gay parents. Its not even close to fair for the kids.
Hmm, I rather doubt that you speak for 99% of the world. Quite a bit of the world's population don't hate gays.

On top of that, if you are going for an "unfair to child" argument, I would extend that argument to say that no birth is 'fair' to the child. At least, under your apparent definition of 'fair', which seems to be the child being born into a situation that it likes. No child has control over the situation of its birth, and there is no way to know what the child wants.

No. This is not about whether they are public or private.. it is about whether they have basis to do it, and they don't. There are gay christians... that's not an oxymoron.

He's perfectly right, I personally know gay christians. Just because someone is a certain religion does not mean they will not, cannot and should not be gay, lesbian, or bisexual.

Trying to step up? As far as I'm concerned I provided a coherent intelligent argument.

Have you? Not at all.

Calm down missy.



WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THEY ARE NOT A REAL COUPLE? What about straight couples who choose to adopt, and not have their own children? Hypocrite.

Yes but they CAN. And even if individually they cant because of a disease or something, its still in their nature. Males and females were MEANT for each other, not males and males.

You don't speak for anyone else but yourself. There are plenty of younger people who support gay people and gay rights. This new generation is more tolerant then ever, and less religious. It is not fair to gay couples to deny them rights.

I speak for the majority of the population...a large majority. And aslong as we are that large majority...people like you wont get your way. So my advice to you is, move to Canada, Holland, or Spain and be gay there...Where the government will accept you.

You can take your majority and shove it up your (I'm going to get banned for that one). We have rights, protected under the constitution. Just because a majority says so, doesn't make it so, not in the constitutional republic.

hat is utterly irrelevant. In our society people have rights, independent on the way they were born, or choose to live. There is no negative effect on children's upbringing when parents are gay, other than this discrimination.

But I dont think its irrelevant at all


Actually, I believe the Bible doesn not explicitly say anything like that. It's people that interpret it.
Besides, unless you find a 2000 year old copy of the text in Greek, you're reading a falsification anyways.

Oh way to get technical about it, lol.

When the fundamentalists learn they are wrong? Soon, but they won't admit it and will refuse to back down. Which is why pride is one of the 7 deadly sins.

I-have-a-problem-with-it. Lol I love it, a gay guy trying to step up. They/you shouldnt be allowed to have kids for two solid reasons.

1. They/you are not a REAL couple, you cannot make your own kids.

2. The kids, and I speak for about 99% of the kids of the world, would not want to have gay parents, if they had a choice. Who the hell, that is straight, would want to have gay parents. Its not even close to fair for the kids.


I 12 years old and I wouldn't mind belonging to a gay couple.It would problemly be more stable then straight couples are AND for gays that I know they are more tune in to theirselfs.They I guess would be more caring.Sure they still could beat me up.But a striaght couple is less stable.Ever hea rof couples who are only together for the kids?That only make it worst!!They should leave each other!!Anyway...I think TAI you should let the kid choose if he want gay parents or not.They have right to have a child.They have the right to be treat like a human!!!Look what we did to blacks and womans.It was the LAW!!!!But now it like inhuman to harm a woman or black because of thir sex or color of their skin.So why should people like liking their same sex be any different?In canada at least they had the brian to stand up to people who are against gays simply because their scare of a new idea.Just because you don't like it dosn't mean other people don't.Their great people same as you and me.We kill people they kill people.We take drugs,they take drugs.So let them :fluffle: it their right!!!!

You sad, sad person, you. I'd give you a hug, because you truly do seem to need one.

hey, lol, I was trying to be positve, while being realistic.

I speak for the majority of the population...a large majority. And aslong as we are that large majority...people like you wont get your way. So my advice to you is, move to Canada, Holland, or Spain and be gay there...Where the government will accept you.

*polishes "Move To Canada" placard*

We guarantee people like him don't ever get to claim they're the majority.

@Atlantian: The majority of the population in the US in the 1820's wouldn't want to be the child of black parents. That doesn't mean black parents were bad.

Actually, because the KKK feels like it has to terrorise black people, and because it doesn't get public money, their actions are okay?
Because this is the point: Discrimination is illegal. As long as you follow the law, you can do what you want. But in this case this girl is being discriminated against.
This situation is HARDLY comparable to the KKK. The KKK killed, maimed, and threatened blacks, Jews, and strangly enough, Catholics. This is just some guys saying "Hey, your parents are gay, so we don't want you in our school." They are a private school, a service business. Thus, they have the right to deny service.

Calm down missy.

I'm a guy, not a girl.

And learn how to use the quotations.


Yes but they CAN. And even if individually they cant because of a disease or something, its still in their nature. Males and females were MEANT for each other, not males and males.

Oh please. For me I was meant to be with a guy because that is who I am. It is also love. You should not denigrate gay couples who are very loving.


I speak for the majority of the population...a large majority. And aslong as we are that large majority...people like you wont get your way. So my advice to you is, move to Canada, Holland, or Spain and be gay there...Where the government will accept you.

No you don't. In fact the younger generation supports gay rights more then older generations. The youth support us. People like me won't get my way? THIS IS AMERICA AND THIS IS A DEMOCRACY. I'm not going to move because you are a christian fundamentalist and want me to. This is not your little theocratic fascist state.

hat is utterly irrelevant. In our society people have rights, independent on the way they were born, or choose to live. There is no negative effect on children's upbringing when parents are gay, other than this discrimination.

But I dont think its irrelevant at all


Actually, I believe the Bible doesn not explicitly say anything like that. It's people that interpret it.
Besides, unless you find a 2000 year old copy of the text in Greek, you're reading a falsification anyways.

Oh way to get technical about it, lol.

Ahah. YOU DON'T THINK. See thats the problem with people. They think because they beleive something or have an opinion or idea about something that the rest of the world is wrong and everyone else needs to think what they do! YOU THINK its relevant, but I certainly don't. Does that condemn me? No.

I speak for the majority of the population...a large majority. And aslong as we are that large majority...people like you wont get your way. So my advice to you is, move to Canada, Holland, or Spain and be gay there...Where the government will accept you.
What makes the majority right?
If the majority supported banning Christianity, would that be right?
If the majority supported wiping out humanity, would that be right?

The fault lays with whoever allowed gay couples to be parents....Which, in my opinion, shouldnt be allowed.

Yeah, because it is waaaaaaaaaay better to let people adopt who keep their kids in cages, beat them, etc. (need I mention the couple in Ohio) since they are heterosexual and won't negatively influence them in the way that a homosexual couple would. You're a joke.

2. The kids, and I speak for about 99% of the kids of the world, would not want to have gay parents, if they had a choice. Who the hell, that is straight, would want to have gay parents. Its not even close to fair for the kids.

As a general rule, kids adopted by homosexual couples are more likely to be raised as not-bigots. So, being more accepting than others, they don't really tend to care all that much.

hey, lol, I was trying to be positve, while being realistic.

Well, you came across as a sad, hateful individual in need of the hug he probably yearns for, but never got.

But I dont think its irrelevant at all
And? What does that matter?

Oh way to get technical about it, lol.
You started using "Adam and Eve" (do you know their names in ancient Hebrew?) as an example. You started to use religion, and the bible, as a justification for your hatred.
And I'm telling you that you don't know the least about your religion, only about what others interpreted it as.

You can take your majority and shove it up your (I'm going to get banned for that one). We have rights, protected under the constitution. Just because a majority says so, doesn't make it so, not in the constitutional republic.

You can talk all the crap about the majority you want, but as long as we ARE the majority, no ones is gonna care but a few lawyers and liberals.

Sure you have rights, we arnt harming you guys, we are just upholding the greatest constitution of all, the 10 commandments, what our society is based on. And I will die before I let that change.

I'm a guy, not a girl.

And learn how to use the quotations.



Oh please. For me I was meant to be with a guy because that is who I am. It is also love. You should not denigrate gay couples who are very loving.



No you don't. In fact the younger generation supports gay rights more then older generations. The youth support us. People like me won't get my way? THIS IS AMERICA AND THIS IS A DEMOCRACY. I'm not going to move because you are a christian fundamentalist and want me to. This is not your little theocratic fascist state.

Oh bravo. *Clap* Honestly, he's right. If I happen to see a girl, shes totally drop dead gorgeous. She and I get along wonderfully. I'm supposed to marry some dead beat guy who doesn't really care about me just because some people think its the right thing to do?

You can talk all the crap about the majority you want, but as long as we ARE the majority, no ones is gonna care but a few lawyers and liberals.

Sure you have rights, we arnt harming you guys, we are just upholding the greatest constitution of all, the 10 commandments, what our society is based on. And I will die before I let that change.

*Snort* The greatest constitution of all. Lmao. What about the atheists who don't even beleive in the bible? If its not something that works for everyone you can't use it sweetie. The greatest constitution of all is.... Ooo, I know! THE CONSTITUTION. o.o

They are a private school, a service business. Thus, they have the right to deny service.
Both are doing something illegal, or at least "morally wrong", and it certainly doesn't fit the whole "equal rights" business as laid out in the various US constitutions and declarations.

Secondly, schools are not "service businesses" as education is not a commodity.

Well, you came across as a sad, hateful individual in need of the hug he probably yearns for, but never got.

I get hugs all the time, just from GIRLS. Hey...your from Sweden, thats really cool. Iv always wanted to go to Sweden...I'm a Nordic myself.

I 12 years old and I wouldn't mind belonging to a gay couple.It would problemly be more stable then straight couples are AND for gays that I know they are more tune in to theirselfs.They I guess would be more caring.Sure they still could beat me up.But a striaght couple is less stable.Ever hea rof couples who are only together for the kids?That only make it worst!!They should leave each other!!Anyway...I think TAI you should let the kid choose if he want gay parents or not.They have right to have a child.They have the right to be treat like a human!!!Look what we did to blacks and womans.It was the LAW!!!!But now it like inhuman to harm a woman or black because of thir sex or color of their skin.So why should people like liking their same sex be any different?In canada at least they had the brian to stand up to people who are against gays simply because their scare of a new idea.Just because you don't like it dosn't mean other people don't.Their great people same as you and me.We kill people they kill people.We take drugs,they take drugs.So let them :fluffle: it their right!!!!

err can i bump this up?

what the bA-je-bus are lesbains doing at a CHRISTIAN school? the religion explictly bans homosexuality. its like jumping in lions cage after he hasnt been fed for 2 months. they did the right thing they realized they were stupid for trying and went on with life if only many of us in the US'ofa could do the same.

Why are you people feeding the troll?

You can talk all the crap about the majority you want, but as long as we ARE the majority, no ones is gonna care but a few lawyers and liberals.

Sure you have rights, we arnt harming you guys, we are just upholding the greatest constitution of all, the 10 commandments, what our society is based on. And I will die before I let that change.
Oh, bravo, why not just ship the gays into fucking concentration camps while your at it. Who cares, they're just a minority.


I bet you agree with this too:

http://direland.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/irangay_teens.jpg

You can talk all the crap about the majority you want, but as long as we ARE the majority, no ones is gonna care but a few lawyers and liberals.

Jesus revised: Love thy neighbour unless they don't believe what you believe. Then hate them. Because that really sounds like my lord and saviour right there...

*Snort* The greatest constitution of all. Lmao. What about the atheists who don't even beleive in the bible? If its not something that works for everyone you can't use it sweetie. The greatest constitution of all is.... Ooo, I know! THE CONSTITUTION. o.o

Atheists are a minority....We're not gonna change our laws for a minority.

...we are just upholding the greatest constitution of all, the 10 commandments, what our society is based on. And I will die before I let that change.
Someone show him how many commandments there were originally according to the ancient old testament...

I-have-a-problem-with-it. Lol I love it, a gay guy trying to step up. They/you shouldnt be allowed to have kids for two solid reasons.

1. They/you are not a REAL couple, you cannot make your own kids.

2. The kids, and I speak for about 99% of the kids of the world, would not want to have gay parents, if they had a choice. Who the hell, that is straight, would want to have gay parents. Its not even close to fair for the kids.

What do you think you are doing?
Stop this bashing immediately!

Apparently people who are gay can have children, the two women portrayed in the article have three of them.
Or do you claim that adoptive parents and couples with no mutually conceived children are not REAL couples?
To be a couple you do not have to have children or be able to bear children.
Like old people, they can't make children, are they not REAL couples?
Silly idea...

I think you better ask the children yourself what they want and feel about it, rather than claiming you know what they feel about it.
It is not fair to have brutal, abusive, incestuous, addicted and starving parents.
Everybody deserves a loving and stable upbringing, I haven't seen anything that says that a gay parent can't provide that.

By what experience do you base your claims?
Really, live and let live.
Homosexual couples are no different from heterosexual couples.

And to the general discussion (not to you Atlantian islands):
Why are they doing this?
Are there grounds in the legal system for it?
Why do the child have to take "blame" for the parents lifestyle?

what the bA-je-bus are lesbains doing at a CHRISTIAN school? the religion explictly bans homosexuality. its like jumping in lions cage after he hasnt been fed for 2 months. they did the right thing they realized they were stupid for trying and went on with life if only many of us in the US'ofa could do the same.

If you haven't fed a lion after two months it wouldn't be alive.. lol.

Again no. There is a such thing as gay christians.

http://www.gaychristians.org

Atheists are a minority....We're not gonna change our laws for a minority.
You right, you don't have to, courts will do it for you, because there is something called a constitution which means a hell of a lot more then your pissant ten commandments.

Jesus revised: Love thy neighbour unless they don't believe what you believe. Then hate them. Because that really sounds like my lord and saviour right there...

I just wanna clear this up, I'm not a Christian Zealot, I happen to be Jewish; however, I strongly support conservatism christianity, for obvious reasons.

Atheists are a minority....We're not gonna change our laws for a minority.We can't go granting freedom to the black people! The majority opposes it! Women can't vote! The majority opposes it! Your country owes an awful lot to "liberals and lawyers".

what the bA-je-bus are lesbains doing at a CHRISTIAN school? the religion explictly bans homosexuality. its like jumping in lions cage after he hasnt been fed for 2 months. they did the right thing they realized they were stupid for trying and went on with life if only many of us in the US'ofa could do the same.

Did you think about the fact that maybe they thought public schools would be a bad atmosphere? Maybe they really cared for their kids and wanted a cleaner atmosphere than normal, a place where theres not as much drugs and alchohol. Maybe the kid had friends there and she wanted to go there. WHO KNOWS.

Both are doing something illegal, or at least "morally wrong", and it certainly doesn't fit the whole "equal rights" business as laid out in the various US constitutions and declarations.

Secondly, schools are not "service businesses" as education is not a commodity.
Sorry, but private schools and cram schools are businesses. Also, private organizations of any kind can refuse to allow someone in (and by that token, kick them out).

You right, you don't have to, courts will do it for you, because there is something called a constitution which means a hell of a lot more then your pissant ten commandments.

Courts are not going to put the minority over the majority. Our constitution is Majority rules, but respect the minority. We get our way...but we have to tolerate you.

Well, you came across as a sad, hateful individual in need of the hug he probably yearns for, but never got.


Enter into a business partnership with me, I have a great idea.

What we'll do, is put you into an arena with some random psychotic Christian fundamenalist, and you have to try and give him a hug. We'll watch with cameras and broadcast it around the world, it can be a new reality show! We'll be RICH!

Atheists are a minority....We're not gonna change our laws for a minority.

Oh so now we're a dictatorship? We don't care who we squash long as we get our way? Oh dear me.

Oh, bravo, why not just ship the gays into fucking concentration camps while your at it. Who cares, they're just a minority.


I bet you agree with this too:

http://direland.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/irangay_teens.jpg

Oh real cool, lets stereotype me as a Nazi because im a conservative....NEVER HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE!!! :rolleyes:

I just wanna clear this up, I'm not a Christian Zealot, I happen to be Jewish; however, I strongly support conservatism christianity, for obvious reasons.Shazam! *secret Hebrew handshake* (I'm Jewish too...odd.)

Atheists are a minority....We're not gonna change our laws for a minority.

The constitution in this country ensures social equality for all Americans, gay or straight, christian or atheist.. and so on.

Oh real cool, lets stereotype me as a Nazi because im a conservative....NEVER HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE!!! :rolleyes:
Nazi? Oh no, you're not a nazi, you just want to kill off the gays. I understand. There there, don't expect me to cry a river for you. They have no rights, they're only a minority.

Shazam! *secret Hebrew handshake* (I'm Jewish too...odd.)

Lol....La'chaim...(I dont speak hebrew) What countries is your family from?

It really ticks me off to see fundamentalists like you giving people a false opinion of Christianity.

It just isn't that for me.. it really PISSES ME OFF seeing someone misstate what the US constitution is and what our laws are.

If you haven't fed a lion after two months it wouldn't be alive.. lol.

Again no. There is a such thing as gay christians.

http://www.gaychristians.org
but you dont get it im not saying they cant be christian im saying that its pretty fuked up to belive in a religion that belives you should not be for your beliefs? i know a gay christian and i kinda think its just a little strange to think he created you but you arent what he wanted so hes gonna through you into hell. cuz the gay i know belives he was "born" this way so if hes christtain he belives he was created gay it was gods plan to have him sent to hell. i wouldnt belive in a god that had plans to send me to enternal suffering but then thats just me...

Nazi? Oh no, you're not a nazi, you just want to kill off the gays. I understand. There there, don't expect me to cry a river for you.

Whoah woah woah woah woah...this isnt my batman cup....I never said anything about killing ANYMORE lets get that clear.

I-have-a-problem-with-it. Lol I love it, a gay guy trying to step up. They/you shouldnt be allowed to have kids for two solid reasons.

1. They/you are not a REAL couple, you cannot make your own kids.
Not real couples? What in bloody hell is that supposed to mean?! Anyway, should other barren couples also be prevented from having children?

2. The kids, and I speak for about 99% of the kids of the world, would not want to have gay parents, if they had a choice. Who the hell, that is straight, would want to have gay parents. Its not even close to fair for the kids.
No you don't. While there's no doubt in my mind you can't be considered an adult, you do not speak for 99% of anyone. Unlike you, I know children of homosexual parents. And they are both quite fond of their parents, and proud of being their children.
You only speak for your own, ignorant self.

About the school though. If it's a private school, it should be able to do whatever the hell it pleases, as long as it fullfills the criteria of what the pupils/students are tought. While I think they're complete twats, they do have the right.

I get hugs all the time, just from GIRLS.

Sure, that's why you're trolling an internet forum and hating people you've never met. Because your life is so fulfilling. :rolleyes:

Hey...your from Sweden, thats really cool. Iv always wanted to go to Sweden...I'm a Nordic myself.

You wouldn't like it here. It's too tolerant of the things you're intolerant about.

but you dont get it im not saying they cant be christian im saying that its pretty fuked up to belive in a religion that belives you should not be for your beliefs? i know a gay christian and i kinda think its just a little strange to think he created you but you arent what he wanted so hes gonna through you into hell. cuz the gay i know belives he was "born" this way so if hes christtain he belives he was created gay it was gods plan to have him sent to hell. i wouldnt belive in a god that had plans to send me to enternal suffering but then thats just me...

OH HELP! GODS SENDING EVERYONE BORN DIFFERENT TO HELL! Because my father has one deformed arm that means hes going to hell? He was born that way. My poor daddys going to hell because hes different!

Whoah woah woah woah woah...this isnt my batman cup....I never said anything about killing ANYMORE lets get that clear.
Oh? So they're second class citizens, but you won't kill them. I get it. We'll let you live, but only as subhumans, not worthy of the rights of the rest of mankind.

I get hugs all the time, just from GIRLS.
You are Christian, correct?
The Bible promotes embracing and friendly kissing between believers:

"There was at the table, reclining in Jesus bosom, one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved[...] He leaning back, as he was on Jesus breast, saith unto him, Lord, who is it." (Jn. 13:23, 25)

"Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen." (1Pet. 5:14)

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/offices/comm/news/kissing.shtml

Not real couples? What in bloody hell is that supposed to mean?! Anyway, should other barren couples also be prevented from having children?


No you don't. While there's no doubt in my mind you can't be considered an adult, you do not speak for 99% of anyone. Unlike you, I know children of homosexual parents. And they are both quite fond of their parents, and proud of being their children.
You only speak for your own, ignorant self.

About the school though. If it's a private school, it should be able to do whatever the hell it pleases, as long as it fullfills the criteria of what the pupils/students are tought. While I think they're complete twats, they do have the right.

I'm not an adult, your right. And no, straight couples incapable of having children, for various reasons doesnt compare to gay couples. Because it is still in their nature to reproduce, they just cant for whatever reasons. Gays, however werent made to reproduce.

OH HELP! GODS SENDING EVERYONE BORN DIFFERENT TO HELL! Because my father has one deformed arm that means hes going to hell? He was born that way. My poor daddys going to hell because hes different!
hey retard have you read i guess not the bible clearly states homos are headed striaght down to the fiery red realm of hell

You are Christian, correct?
The Bible promotes embracing and friendly kissing between believers:

There was at the table, reclining in Jesus bosom, one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.... He leaning back, as he was on Jesus breast, saith unto him, Lord, who is it. (Jn. 13:23, 25)

Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen. (1Pet. 5:14)

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/offices/comm/news/kissing.shtml

I am not Christian, I am Jewish. and I was joking about the hug thing...Its hard to be sarcastic over the internet.

I'm not an adult, your right. And no, straight couples incapable of having children, for various reasons doesnt compare to gay couples. Because it is still in their nature to reproduce, they just cant for whatever reasons. Gays, however werent made to reproduce.

Wrong. Most Barren couples were born without the ability to reproduce. Gay couples are born without the ability to reproduce.... I'm not seeing alot of difference here...

Enter into a business partnership with me, I have a great idea.

What we'll do, is put you into an arena with some random psychotic Christian fundamenalist, and you have to try and give him a hug. We'll watch with cameras and broadcast it around the world, it can be a new reality show! We'll be RICH!

Oh, it'll be no contest. The most vehement gay-hating bigots tend to be closet cases themselves. They'd crumble in the end and take it up the ass like they secretly do in back alleys filled with their self-loathing shame.

I'm not an adult, your right. And no, straight couples incapable of having children, for various reasons doesnt compare to gay couples. Because it is still in their nature to reproduce, they just cant for whatever reasons. Gays, however werent made to reproduce.

Because you say so? I'm sorry but your logic sucks. And you are basically saying gay couples aren't real couples because they can't reproduce. Maybe some of us don't fucking want to contribute to the overpopulation of this planet.

Lol....La'chaim...(I dont speak hebrew) What countries is your family from?
Shalom, lol. Mother is Prussian and Austrian. Father is (some unkown) part black Dutch (Jews from Poland who moved to The Netherlands and married Dutch citizens) and (list time) is also English, Scottish, Irish, French, Dutch, and Moorish. I still turn out some amount over 1/2 ethnically Jewish but religiously full Jewish by the matralinial system. And I have blue eyes even. Odd huh? I'm a mutt...lol.

hey retard have you read i guess not the bible clearly states homos are headed striaght down to the fiery red realm of hell

Oh goodness I got called a retard. How mature. You're making my case for me here deary, we already established that thats in the old testament which the new testament says to disregard.

I'm not an adult, your right. And no, straight couples incapable of having children, for various reasons doesnt compare to gay couples. Because it is still in their nature to reproduce, they just cant for whatever reasons. Gays, however werent made to reproduce.

I have had enough of your complete and utter inability to be tolerant. Don't you know you're supposed to be tolerant? If you're going to oppose things on a religious grounds, you better follow your religion in that aspect.

I am not Christian, I am Jewish.
Well, sorry about the assumption then.

Sure, that's why you're trolling an internet forum and hating people you've never met. Because your life is so fulfilling. :rolleyes:



You wouldn't like it here. It's too tolerant of the things you're intolerant about.

I'm well aware of its government style, however that doesnt stop me from wanting to visit. Sweden seems like a beatufil country, and it has amazing history.

Also, the reason im on an internet forum sunday night is because I just had practice, I'm really tired, so i decided not to go back out because I'm taking the ACT tomorrow.

Gays, however werent made to reproduce.

Then why do they have and make children? Is that against gods will?
Why does god allow this, if it is a sin to make babies as a homosexual?

And you really wouldn't like Sweden, but you are welcome anyway.

Because you say so? I'm sorry but your logic sucks. And you are basically saying gay couples aren't real couples because they can't reproduce. Maybe some of us don't fucking want to contribute to the overpopulation of this planet.

And can you imagine Frace is paying people to have a third child?

Well, sorry about the assumption then.

No prob...Most people dont beleive me when I tell them I'm Jewish (by either the way I look, or my familys political views), so I'm used to it now.

Then why do they have and make children? Is that against gods will?
Why does god allow this, if it is a sin to make babies as a homosexual?

And you really wouldn't like Sweden, but you are welcome anyway.

Why wouldnt I like it...I wouldnt want to live there, but I would love to VISIT.

Why wouldnt I like it...I wouldnt want to live there, but I would love to VISIT.

Because the law there doesn't want to have to deal with you when you see a gay couple and run screaming to the police.

And can you imagine Frace is paying people to have a third child?

I've heard about the situation, so yes.

Everyone...I have something I need to confess that I feel is very important.


I am...


Indeed...


The walrus.

I'm well aware of its government style, however that doesnt stop me from wanting to visit. Sweden seems like a beatufil country, and it has amazing history.

You still wouldn't like it here.

Also, the reason im on an internet forum sunday night is because I just had practice, I'm really tired, so i decided not to go back out because I'm taking the ACT tomorrow.

It's not Sunday. Depending on your time zone it's either Saturday or Friday. And if it is, why are you breaking sabbath?

You can talk all the crap about the majority you want, but as long as we ARE the majority, no ones is gonna care but a few lawyers and liberals.

Sure you have rights, we arnt harming you guys, we are just upholding the greatest constitution of all, the 10 commandments, what our society is based on. And I will die before I let that change.

Wrong. You are harming the minority, by refusing them their right to persue happiness, and their right to equality.

Also, feel free to commit suicide now. Your country is based on your constitution, not on the ten commandments. I'll be crying dry tears for you.

Because the law there doesn't want to have to deal with you when you see a gay couple and run screaming to the police.

Well, at least in this country, the US, he will also get laughed at if he does such a thing.

i'll make sure to kiss my boyfriend if he is ever close to us.

Shalom, lol. Mother is Prussian and Austrian. Father is (some unkown) part black Dutch (Jews from Poland who moved to The Netherlands and married Dutch citizens) and (list time) is also English, Scottish, Irish, French, Dutch, and Moorish. I still turn out some amount over 1/2 ethnically Jewish but religiously full Jewish by the matralinial system. And I have blue eyes even. Odd huh? I'm a mutt...lol.

LOL WOW...when i read the first two things I was like OMG thats me!!!

I'm Austrian, Prussian, German, and Russian. I got all the Germanic traits...I have blonde hair, green eyes and I'm 6'3. Good to see another Prussian and Austrian Jew...thats awesome man.

Sorry, but private schools and cram schools are businesses. Also, private organizations of any kind can refuse to allow someone in (and by that token, kick them out).
They are businesses, yes. But education is not a commodity. Refusing to educate someone is not simply a matter of not providing a service - it's a calculated attempt to diminish someone's chances in this case.
If she hadn't been good enough with her marks, maybe. But not this way.

Everyone...I have something I need to confess that I feel is very important.


I am...


Indeed...


The walrus.
I thought the Walrus was Paul...

Well, at least in this country, the US, he will also get laughed at if he does such a thing.

i'll make sure to kiss my boyfriend if he is ever close to us.
Hey, I'm from Anaheim. I'll get all my gay friends and we'll go sit in a Christian church. But wait! Because we're different, they'll throw us out! Gasp!

As far as I've seen, everyone on this thread is missing one important fact:

THE PARENTS OF THIS GIRL ARE GUILTY OF ATTEMPTED CHILD ABUSE!

Unless they thought they could keep their orientation a secret forever, what are they doing sending their child to a conservative christian school, especially one with specific antigay policies? They're virtually ensuring that their child will be beat up or worse! It would be like shipping Mestecala to the deep south! What were those parents THINKING? Out of all the possible private schools to send their child to they send her to one where her classmates will hate her just because of who her parents are! Great parenting! :rolleyes:

In addition, what do you think would have happened if she actually had been assimilated? She would have come out of school hating her parents! Like I said before, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!

I'm Austrian, Prussian, German, and Russian. I got all the Germanic traits...I have blonde hair, green eyes and I'm 6'3. Good to see another Prussian and Austrian Jew...thats awesome man.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Wrong. You are harming the minority, by refusing them their right to persue happiness, and their right to equality.

Also, feel free to commit suicide now. Your country is based on your constitution, not on the ten commandments. I'll be crying dry tears for you.

Modern law is based on the 10 commandments. Show me on Christian/ or former Christian country that does not have all of the 10 commandments as laws, except honor thy father and mother.

Take that back, all the laws regarding society.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What? Did I say something bad? I'm sorry if I offended you...What did I say?

Modern law is based on the 10 commandments. Show me on Christian/ or former Christian country that does not have all of the 10 commandments as laws, except honor thy father and mother.

Take that back, all the laws regarding society.


Don't the 10 Commandments come from Sumeria or something, though?

As in, they're based on Sumerian law.

Hey, I'm from Anaheim. I'll get all my gay friends and we'll go sit in a Christian church. But wait! Because we're different, they'll throw us out! Gasp!

Then I'll sick tolerant theologians on them.

Everyone...I have something I need to confess that I feel is very important.


I am...


Indeed...


The walrus.
Goo goo g'joob!

LOL WOW...when i read the first two things I was like OMG thats me!!!

I'm Austrian, Prussian, German, and Russian. I got all the Germanic traits...I have blonde hair, green eyes and I'm 6'3. Good to see another Prussian and Austrian Jew...thats awesome man.
I have black hair and blue eyes, but I'm only 5'10". I just turned 15 though, so I have plenty of growing in me still. lol. I have honestly never met another Prussian EVER. The Internet is a most wonderful thing.

Modern law is based on the 10 commandments. Show me on Christian/ or former Christian country that does not have all of the 10 commandments as laws, except honor thy father and mother.

Take that back, all the laws regarding society.

Much as you delusional brain would like to beleive that, its not true. Its called.... BASIC LAWS. Any country is going to have don't steal, don't murder, etc. Feel free to keep twisting it to your advantage though.

LOL WOW...when i read the first two things I was like OMG thats me!!!

I'm Austrian, Prussian, German, and Russian. I got all the Germanic traits...I have blonde hair, green eyes and I'm 6'3. Good to see another Prussian and Austrian Jew...thats awesome man.

I'm surprised that you are jewish. I would think you would be more tolerant because most jews I know are. Not good to lower yourself to the level of someone who tried to wipe jewish people out back in the 1930s-1940s... :rolleyes:

I'm Spanish/Italian... 100% european. 6'2"... bleached/brown hair... brown eyes.

Niightsisters, Anaheim, California? Hmmm.. I'm going to see a concert down there.

You still wouldn't like it here.



It's not Sunday. Depending on your time zone it's either Saturday or Friday. And if it is, why are you breaking sabbath?

Because I'm an idiot lol. I meant Friday. Sorry.

I thought the Walrus was Paul...
Nope. Turns out it was me. Life's funny like that isn't it?

Modern law is based on the 10 commandments. Show me on Christian/ or former Christian country that does not have all of the 10 commandments as laws, except honor thy father and mother.

Take that back, all the laws regarding society.

Adultery is not a crime. Using god's name in vain is not a crime. It's not a crime to believe in more than one god, or to not believe, or to believe in another god. Idolatry is not illegal. Breaking sabbath is not illegal. Coveting is not illegal.

GOOD!!! About damn time someone standing up to all these fags and their liberalness. By the way, what the hell are fag parents doing sending their child to Christen school.....they obviously arnt religious, and they cant possibly think it would be ok to send their kid there. Go school!!! We need to see more of this. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
Hey man, can you do me a favour?

Can you just do yourself in real quick-like, so there's one less idiot I have to deal with? Thanks, much appreciated.

I'm not an adult, your right. And no, straight couples incapable of having children, for various reasons doesnt compare to gay couples. Because it is still in their nature to reproduce, they just cant for whatever reasons. Gays, however werent made to reproduce.
I see. Where's the proof of that claim? Do you have some sort of blueprint, or are you lying again?

To make it easy for you:
In what way do a homosexual couple differ from a heterosexual, infertile couple?

- Other than the fact Homosexual couples are usually fertile, and thus perfectly capable, from nature's hand, of having children.

I'm surprised that you are jewish. I would think you would be more tolerant because most jews I know are. Not good to lower yourself to the level of someone who tried to wipe jewish people out back in the 1930s-1940s... :rolleyes:

I'm Spanish/Italian... 100% european. 6'2"... bleached/brown hair... brown eyes.

Niightsisters, Anaheim, California? Hmmm.. I'm going to see a concert down there.

One and the same. Lovely, lovely, GHETTO Anaehim. Don't beleive the brochures. Carry Weapons. Stay in groups of more than 10.

Modern law is based on the 10 commandments. Show me on Christian/ or former Christian country that does not have all of the 10 commandments as laws, except honor thy father and mother.

Mesopotamia had a code of STRICT laws. These codes that predated the christian bible and the ten commandments, are actually the basis for laws.

Our laws today are not based on the ten commandments. Hammurabi's code is one of these examples:

http://chnm.gmu.edu/worldhistorysources/searchwhm.php?function=print&whmid=267/whm/whm.html/267&wwhrecord=

I'm surprised that you are jewish. I would think you would be more tolerant because most jews I know are. Not good to lower yourself to the level of someone who tried to wipe jewish people out back in the 1930s-1940s... :rolleyes:

I'm Spanish/Italian... 100% european. 6'2"... bleached/brown hair... brown eyes.

Niightsisters, Anaheim, California? Hmmm.. I'm going to see a concert down there.

Yup, Jewish on both sides. I am in NO WAY lowering myself to Hitlers level. I already said that I would never act, physically, in my beleifs. I would never attack/hurt/kill a gay, even though I dont like them. EVER.

Much as you delusional brain would like to beleive that, its not true. Its called.... BASIC LAWS. Any country is going to have don't steal, don't murder, etc. Feel free to keep twisting it to your advantage though.

Not only that, those are the only two commandments from there any country except Muslim theocracies has!

I see. Where's the proof of that claim? Do you have some sort of blueprint, or are you lying again?

To make it easy for you:
In what way do a homosexual couple differ from a heterosexual, infertile couple?

- Other than the fact Homosexual couples are usually fertile, and thus perfectly capable, from nature's hand, of having children.

Not with each other.

Nope. Turns out it was me. Life's funny like that isn't it?

Could you clarify something for us here?

You see, nobody is really sure is you are from the House of Paul.
I'd love to turn...you...on...

Yup, Jewish on both sides. I am in NO WAY lowering myself to Hitlers level. I already said that I would never act, physically, in my beleifs. I would never attack/hurt/kill a gay, even though I dont like them. EVER.

But is Hitler had just ammased millions of people to his cause and not hurt the Jews, but caused everyone to hate them, discriminate against them, and make their lifes miserable, it would have been ok?

I'm surprised that you are jewish. I would think you would be more tolerant because most jews I know are. Not good to lower yourself to the level of someone who tried to wipe jewish people out back in the 1930s-1940s... :rolleyes:

I'm Spanish/Italian... 100% european. 6'2"... bleached/brown hair... brown eyes.

Niightsisters, Anaheim, California? Hmmm.. I'm going to see a concert down there.
Leviticus. Leviticus. Leviticus.
and...
The rabbiniical community in general is of the opinion that though gays are born with an "imperfection" what they may still lead a good life as long as they do not let their "imperfection" get the better of them. I'm just restating someone else's opinion here...

Tiiiired...

Hey man, can you do me a favour?

Can you just do yourself in real quick-like, so there's one less idiot I have to deal with? Thanks, much appreciated.

I was about to give you a serious answer, but then I saw your screen name.

I was about to give you a serious answer, but then I saw your screen name.

You would have given a serious answer? Someone doesn't know how to take jokes.

I have black hair and blue eyes, but I'm only 5'10". I just turned 15 though, so I have plenty of growing in me still. lol. I have honestly never met another Prussian EVER. The Internet is a most wonderful thing.

Yeah I havnt met too many Prussians either...I just turned 16...lol I think im still growing.

Could you clarify something for us here?

You see, nobody is really sure is you are from the House of Paul.
I'd love to turn...you...on...
I have this one thing to say:
Goo goo g'joob.

Leviticus. Leviticus. Leviticus.
and...
The rabbiniical community in general is of the opinion that though gays are born with an "imperfection" what they may still lead a good life as long as they do not let their "imperfection" get the better of them. I'm just restating someone else's opinion here...

Tiiiired...

Funny how you never address my points.. I feel you are just a troll..

You would have given a serious answer? Someone doesn't know how to take jokes.
I preferred it when we were quoting Beatles songs.

All You Need Is Love!

@Chuloon: That's the spirit.

Funny how you never address my points.. I feel you are just a troll..

*Clap. Big F'ing clap.*

But is Hitler had just ammased millions of people to his cause and not hurt the Jews, but caused everyone to hate them, discriminate against them, and make their lifes miserable, it would have been ok?

No, because being Jewish, is not a sin in the bible, being gay is.

Yeah I havnt met too many Prussians either

Possibly because Prussia hasn't existed for over half a century?

No, because being Jewish, is not a sin in the bible, being gay is.

As is breaking Sabbath, which you have admitted to.

No, because being Jewish, is not a sin in the bible, being gay is.

Or, more accurately, lying is.

You would have given a serious answer? Someone doesn't know how to take jokes.
I wasn't joking.

No, because being Jewish, is not a sin in the bible, being gay is.

Oh good GREIF. We've already established that the bible only says that in the old testament. Honestly. I'm... I'm... :headbang:

Possibly because Prussia hasn't existed for over half a century?

We're talking about Prussian background....Thank you for being logical lol.

I wasn't joking. Why isn't he hanging from the gallows?

Because I haven't gotten a chance to follow out your order, oh great one.

Yeah I havnt met too many Prussians either...I just turned 16...lol I think im still growing.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

a) Prussia doesn't exist anymore. If you're looking for Prussians, go to Poland.

b) Germanic Traits? WTF is a Germanic Trait?

c) My family comes from Prussia.

Oh good GREIF. We've already established that the bible only says that in the old testament. Honestly. I'm... I'm... :headbang:

annnnnnnnd...I'm Jewish....so which bible do I follow....say it with me...OLD TESTAMENT.

annnnnnnnd...I'm Jewish....so which bible do I follow....say it with me...OLD TESTAMENT.

In that case shouldn't you be killing anybody and everybody who doesn't agree with your exact views on religion? It says that if you don't, you have to be put to death.

annnnnnnnd...I'm Jewish....so which bible do I follow....say it with me...OLD TESTAMENT.

The bible YOU follow.

Funny how you never address my points.. I feel you are just a troll..
Never address them? I just gave you the book of the Torah that shows the official stement in Judaism on homosexuality and then stated another position from the rabinnical authority. You basically stereotyped my people. I'm showing you the Jewish faith sees homosexuality, not the people, I know. The reason I was so indirect is because I'm quite "wiped". I am sorry.

In that case shouldn't you be killing anybody and everybody who doesn't agree with your exact views on religion?

Oh I LIKE you.

Never address them? I just gave you the book of the Torah that shows the official stement in Judaism on homosexuality and then stated another position from the rabinnical authority. You basically stereotyped my people. I'm showing you the Jewish faith sees homosexuality, not the people, I know. The reason I was so indirect is because I'm quite "wiped". I am sorry.

So if you're wiped, go to bed and spare us all.

Alright, now my guitar is just gently weeping for you guys.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

a) Prussia doesn't exist anymore. If you're looking for Prussians, go to Poland.

b) Germanic Traits? WTF is a Germanic Trait?

c) My family comes from Prussia.

Ok, dude, why do you keep rolling the eyes thing...I dont understand what your doing that for.

Prussia also streched to Berlin...Which is where my famiyl is from.

You really dont knwo what Germanic traits are? Did you ever learn about the different sub races and their characteristics and traits?

Thats cool that your family comes from Prussia....way cool man.

annnnnnnnd...I'm Jewish....so which bible do I follow....say it with me...OLD TESTAMENT.

Then why are you breaking Sabbath?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

a) Prussia doesn't exist anymore. If you're looking for Prussians, go to Poland.

b) Germanic Traits? WTF is a Germanic Trait?

c) My family comes from Prussia.
When my ancsetors came to America, it still existed.

Oh I LIKE you.

Thanks! I like me too. Let's be friends.

As is breaking Sabbath, which you have admitted to.

Right, I do break the sabbath..So that means I sin once a weekend. But would you agree when I say, there there is a difference between sinning, and living in sin?

Because I haven't gotten a chance to follow out your order, oh great one.
Unnecessary. It's "comrade." :)

Atlantian, on the other hand, can just go slit his wrists or something for all I care. World's better without a bunch of old throwbacks from the era where people couldn't tolerate each other. Kind of ironic, don't you think, seeing that intolerance wiped out half of his people in Europe, no?

Thanks! I like me too. Let's be friends.

Oh do lets. Unfortuately I don't like me, so we'll have one person in our little club that doesn't like someone. Oh well, Bad apple in every barrel, as they say.

Right, I do break the sabbath..So that means I sin once a weekend. But would you agree when I say, there there is a difference between sinning, and living in sin?

Doesn't matter, the Bible would not agree on that point. Apparently, you need to be put to death.

In that case shouldn't you be killing anybody and everybody who doesn't agree with your exact views on religion? It says that if you don't, you have to be put to death.

Things have changed...The Church isnt burning people anymore is it? But times have not changed in regards to the basics.

That's stupid. Even if it is a Christian school, the bible says being gay is a sin, just like adultery, just like getting drunk. Do they expel kids with alcoholic parents?


They can, and I am sure some have.
I know schools of this type that have expeled students for having sex, drinking or any number of things, it is a private school. The rules are clear and while I think they are idiots they are in their rights to do so.

JMayo

Never address them? I just gave you the book of the Torah that shows the official stement in Judaism on homosexuality and then stated another position from the rabinnical authority. You basically stereotyped my people. I'm showing you the Jewish faith sees homosexuality, not the people, I know. The reason I was so indirect is because I'm quite "wiped". I am sorry.

You need to address the points I bring up. Not the falsehoods in your own statements. And it doesn't matter if it was indirect. You shouldn't be rambling on about something I didn't even bring up. It makes you look ridiculous, and just like a troll.

Things have changed...The Church isnt burning people anymore is it? But times have not changed in regards to the basics.

So the Bible is wrong?

Doesn't matter, the Bible would not agree on that point. Apparently, you need to be put to death.

Exactly. Goodness, Adultery was a huge sin in the bible, but you, since you're such an expert, must have read all the times Jesus spared women that adultered? They sinned, they LIVED in sin. For goodness sakes, Rahab was a prositute. David slept with another mans wife. You can't play god and say that being gay is a bigger sin then adultery, cause I don't see anywhere in the bible that it says that.

Right, I do break the sabbath..So that means I sin once a weekend. But would you agree when I say, there there is a difference between sinning, and living in sin?

No. You do not follow the Bible's teachings and yet you wish to tell others to. You are a hypocrite, and the Jewish God does not look with favour upon the kinds of you. In fact, the God of the Old Testament in not a merciful God. Breaking a commandment does not sit easily with him.

So if you're wiped, go to bed and spare us all.Golly gee, sorry for having an opinion you don't agree with. Glad a pair of teenagers could get you so riled up. I stay because you need a loyal opposition and you know it.

So the Bible is wrong?

Nope, the bibles laws are the same, the way they teach us to live. However people are not stonned/or burnt/ or any of that anymore.

Alright, now my guitar is just gently weeping for you guys.
Get back, act naturally, and let it be, because all things must pass.
[endbeatlesspam]

Exactly. Goodness, Adultery was a huge sin in the bible, but you, since you're such an expert, must have read all the times Jesus spared women that adultered? They sinned, they LIVED in sin. For goodness sakes, Rahab was a prositute. David slept with another mans wife. You can't play god and say that being gay is a bigger sin then adultery, cause I don't see anywhere in the bible that it says that.

But look at it this way. Having sex once, twice, hell 20 times, or being gay every instant of your life.

Nope, the bibles laws are the same, the way they teach us to live. However people are not stonned/or burnt/ or any of that anymore.

So the Bible is wrong?


Nightsisters - there's also a part in the New Testament where Jesus says that all the laws in the Old Testament still apply. Funny, that.

In addition, the Bible also quite clearly states that all sins are equal. Being gay is no worse a sin than murder or adultery.

Golly gee, sorry for having an opinion you don't agree with. Glad a pair of teenagers could get you so riled up. I stay because you need a loyal opposition and you know it.

If I was riled up I wouldn't be here. I never said I wanted you to go to bed because you had an opinion I didn't agree with. If you would have asked me to clarify instead of jumping on me and assuming things for me, I would have said its because you're not saying much thats relevant. But then neither are the rest of us, so by all means, stay, but try to grow up a bit while you do so you don't get so upset when mommy tells you to go to bed.

But look at it this way. Having sex once, twice, hell 20 times, or being gay every instant of your life.

Oh so its the extent of our sin? Remind me of that next time I murder someone, I'll remember to only kill one person instead of 40, and I won't have sinned as much.

But look at it this way. Having sex once, twice, hell 20 times, or being gay every instant of your life.
What about being an intolerant prick for the whole of your life?

But look at it this way. Having sex once, twice, hell 20 times, or being gay every instant of your life.

Excuse me? I'd much rather be gay then straight. I'm happy with my boyfriend.. he's damn sexy.

If I was riled up I wouldn't be here. I never said I wanted you to go to bed because you had an opinion I didn't agree with. If you would have asked me to clarify instead of jumping on me and assuming things for me, I would have said its because you're not saying much thats relevant. But then neither are the rest of us, so by all means, stay, but try to grow up a bit while you do so you don't get so upset when mommy tells you to go to bed.

Alteast he has a mommy to tell him to go to bed. With you "guys", its gonna turn into daddy or daddy.

You need to address the points I bring up. Not the falsehoods in your own statements. And it doesn't matter if it was indirect. You shouldn't be rambling on about something I didn't even bring up. It makes you look ridiculous, and just like a troll.I can say whatever I want, and it won't change your opinion. I have no idea what you want from me here. You did bring the issue up (to me anyway) by insinuating that I and The Atlantian islands were more intolerant than your "average jew" (sneer quotes, no worries).

What about being an intolerant prick for the whole of your life?

Then you goto heaven. ;)

;What about being an intolerant prick for the whole of your life?

Now THAT was funny. ;)

Excuse me? I'd much rather be gay then straight. I'm happy with my boyfriend.. he's damn sexy.

Eww, alright thats gross...Keep that to yourself. Oh and by the way, its because of people like you, and what you guys stand for, that my family and I moved from L.A. Just thought I'd let you know that.

Ok, dude, why do you keep rolling the eyes thing...I dont understand what your doing that for.

Prussia also streched to Berlin...Which is where my famiyl is from.

You really dont knwo what Germanic traits are? Did you ever learn about the different sub races and their characteristics and traits?

Thats cool that your family comes from Prussia....way cool man.
You don't get it, do you?

There is no such thing as a "Germanic Race", and even if there is - it doesn't make you "cool". If you're going to go down the road of using semi-scientific valuations based on race I'm afraid I have to disappoint you...

I'm sick and tired of people running around and calling themselves German, and especially calling themselves Prussian..as if that was a racial thing. Do you hold a Prussian Passport?

But look at it this way. Having sex once, twice, hell 20 times, or being gay every instant of your life.

As opposed to being the hypocrite that you are for every instant of your life? Your God does not look with favour upon your kind, hypocrite.

Alteast he has a mommy to tell him to go to bed. With you "guys", its gonna turn into daddy or daddy.

Please don't assume. I have two very straight parents. I am female, and engaged to a wonderful man. I am not gay, straight, or bi.

I can say whatever I want, and it won't change your opinion. I have no idea what you want from me here. You did bring the issue up (to me anyway) by insinuating that I and The Atlantian islands were more intolerant than your "average jew" (sneer quotes, no worries).

What I want from you? How about... relevancy to what I'm talking about?

I was talking mainly to Atlantian... not you.

say what you want about religion-im not religious but think about this-
in the bible there are 39 things against gays
and 131 aobut straights
as a straight this got me to think alot
hope it dose the same for you

Oh good GREIF. We've already established that the bible only says that in the old testament. Honestly. I'm... I'm... :headbang:
He's Jewish, they only follow the Old Testament. Understand that please.

Regarding the actual subject at hand, the staff at that school are retarded, plain and simple. I don't give a damn what the kid's parents do, the kids should be judged purely but what they do. Just because her parents are gay doesn't mean she will be.

If I was riled up I wouldn't be here. I never said I wanted you to go to bed because you had an opinion I didn't agree with. If you would have asked me to clarify instead of jumping on me and assuming things for me, I would have said its because you're not saying much thats relevant. But then neither are the rest of us, so by all means, stay, but try to grow up a bit while you do so you don't get so upset when mommy tells you to go to bed.See? Now I have succeeded in bringing you down to my level.
I AM JUST MESSING WITH YOU.

Eww, alright thats gross...Keep that to yourself. Oh and by the way, its because of people like you, and what you guys stand for, that my family and I moved from L.A. Just thought I'd let you know that.

Oh I'm crying buckets of tears for you. Its because of people like you my best friend had to move to San Fran.

Ahem. Actually, Levitucus says not to lie in bed with a man as you would lie with a woman, but this is addressed to men. As for lesbians, the official Jewish conclusion is that homosexual relations between women violate the commandment to "be fruitful and multiply" and are also a form of sodomy. Getting drunk isn't really a sin per se (in Catholicism, to my knowledge at least) and adultury would be just plain too hard to enforce (just like covetousness *nudge nudge*).

DRINKING is not a sin, but getting DRUNK is.

so the bible is wrong?

Humans decide what is right and wrong, so right and wrong change. The bible was right when it was written. It isn't anymore.

Eww, alright thats gross...Keep that to yourself. Oh and by the way, its because of people like you, and what you guys stand for, that my family and I moved from L.A. Just thought I'd let you know that.

Gross? I don't think so. If anything I get the comment "what a cute couple" from straight and gay people alike. It is because of people like me you moved away from Los Angeles? Are you afraid of gay people? Seems like it.

Humans decide what is right and wrong, so right and wrong change. The bible was right when it was written. It isn't anymore.

Okay...

See? Now I have succeeded in bringing you down to my level.
I AM JUST MESSING WITH YOU.

Why so you have! And how nice and hot and red it is down here. Whos the guy with the horns?

Oh and by the way, its because of people like you, and what you guys stand for, that my family and I moved from L.A. Just thought I'd let you know that.
Aw, you mean you didn't just take all of your belongings and jump off a cliff? Shame.

What about being an intolerant prick for the whole of your life?

Hey, Comrade, the cold war is over. We won! You guys lost, get it in your head. Your just as bad as a guy with a "The Nazi Americas" screen name. You disgust me. When you picked that name, did you ever think of the millions of people who died under the CCCP? The millions who died in the gulags, or under stalins political exectutions. You-disgust-me.

Hey, Comrade, the cold war is over. We won! You guys lost, get it in your head. Your just as bad as a guy with a "The Nazi Americas" screen name. You disgust me. When you picked that name, did you ever think of the millions of people who died under the CCCP? The millions who died in the gulags, or under stalins political exectutions. You-disgust-me.

How 'bout the millions who died to the Jews in the Old Testament?

Humans decide what is right and wrong, so right and wrong change. The bible was right when it was written. It isn't anymore.

Dude, go get a horse, live in the mountains, and dont bother anyone.

Hey, Comrade, the cold war is over. We won! You guys lost, get it in your head. Your just as bad as a guy with a "The Nazi Americas" screen name. You disgust me. When you picked that name, did you ever think of the millions of people who died under the CCCP? The millions who died in the gulags, or under stalins political exectutions. You-disgust-me.

Oh dear god now we're discriminating against screen names. Someone shoot me now. Wait, I'll do it myself.

What I want from you? How about... relevancy to what I'm talking about?

I was talking mainly to Atlantian... not you.
I understand, but tempers are high here. Just be aware that as I read it, it felt like it was just about Jews in general...or something of that sort.

This is utterly ridiculous.. the relationship (22 years long thus far) between the two women obviously is dangerous and unstable. :rolleyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050923/ap_on_re_us/lesbians__daughter

The school is a private school, which gives it the right to expel students if they do not meet the school's standards/rules, and yes, homosexuality is a sin, but I think it is wrong to punish the girl for her parents' sin.

How 'bout the millions who died to the Jews in the Old Testament?

What?

Eww, alright thats gross...Keep that to yourself. Oh and by the way, its because of people like you, and what you guys stand for, that my family and I moved from L.A. Just thought I'd let you know that.


hmm i belive its people like you who get people lynched though hmmmm killed or having to move....i wounder which is worse...... :rolleyes:

Dude, go get a horse, live in the mountains, and dont bother anyone.

Dude, go get a gun, shoot yourself, and do us all a favor. If we want to put it that way.

Regarding the actual subject at hand, the staff at that school are retarded, plain and simple. I don't give a damn what the kid's parents do, the kids should be judged purely but what they do. Just because her parents are gay doesn't mean she will be.

True, but all religions tend to be irrational, so if they follow it seriously, they're likely to be irrational as well.

Hey, Comrade, the cold war is over. We won! You guys lost, get it in your head. Your just as bad as a guy with a "The Nazi Americas" screen name. You disgust me. When you picked that name, did you ever think of the millions of people who died under the CCCP? The millions who died in the gulags, or under stalins political exectutions. You-disgust-me.
...LOL. God you people make me laugh. I'm not even going to go through the whole thing where I have to defend my beliefs because a psychotic, paranoid Georgian decided he wanted to kill people in the name of "communism." It would be wasted on a drooling mouthbreather like yourself.

Consider your ass blocked. Ahh, the sweet sound of "You can't read this post because you've added 'The Atlantian Islands' to your Dumbshit Fucktards Block List."

Dude, go get a horse, live in the mountains, and dont bother anyone.
Because heaven forbid anyone should actually have a different opinion than yours. :rolleyes:

Because heaven forbid anyone should actually have a different opinion than yours. :rolleyes:

Well said.

What?


Can you elaborate on that question, please?

Why so you have! And how nice and hot and red it is down here. Whos the guy with the horns?
I hope you are being sarcastic because otherwise you didn't see me telling you I was just messing with you.

Oh dear god now we're discriminating against screen names. Someone shoot me now. Wait, I'll do it myself.

Dude, dont lie, how would it look, if I came out with a pro Nazi screen name? Disgusting. The Soviet Union and the Third Reich are equally as disgusting, people to need to understand that. I dont understand why people dont think that its offensive to have Soviet stuff, but it is to have Nazi stuff...It doestn make sense to me.

True, but all religions tend to be irrational, so if they follow it seriously, they're likely to be irrational as well.
Which is why I use the Bible, Old Testament and New, as a loose guide ratehr than engraved-in-stone rules for everything I do in my life.

I hope you are being sarcastic because otherwise you didn't see me telling you I was just messing with you.

I did see it. I was just kidding. If you want someone to see something put it in BLACK don't expect everyone to highlight your every word, you don't talk that well.

Can you elaborate on that question, please?

Just what I said...I didnt understand what you said. What millions under the old testament are you talking about?