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Major Victory For Firearms Owners And Freedom In Louisiana

Friday, September 23, 2005

(Fairfax, VA) -- The United States District Court for the Eastern District in Louisiana today sided with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and issued a restraining order to bar further gun confiscations from peaceable and law-abiding victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Read the story (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6539).

Major Victory For Firearms Owners And Freedom In Louisiana

Friday, September 23, 2005

(Fairfax, VA) -- The United States District Court for the Eastern District in Louisiana today sided with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and issued a restraining order to bar further gun confiscations from peaceable and law-abiding victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Read the story (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6539).
I'm not sure this is a good thing. I guess we'll see.

Wow, the courts did something *right?*
Now if only they'd overturn Kelo v New London.

Major Victory For Firearms Owners And Freedom In Louisiana

Friday, September 23, 2005

(Fairfax, VA) -- The United States District Court for the Eastern District in Louisiana today sided with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and issued a restraining order to bar further gun confiscations from peaceable and law-abiding victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Read the story (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6539).

ugh great.as far as im concerned the less guns in this situation the better.

Good call. About friggin time.

Wow, the courts did something *right?*
Now if only they'd overturn Kelo v New London.
To paraphrase John Paul Stevens, "Kelo v. New London was bad policy but good law." Most of the justices thought that it would have negative consequences, but they're not policymakers. Their job is to interpret the law, and the law mandated the decision that they made. It's up to the Congress, as legislators, to change the law.

ugh great.as far as im concerned the less guns in this situation the better.

Tell that to the many people who defended themselves against criminals armed or otherwise after the gov't abandoned them.

Also the question should be asked as to why "private" security personell weren't being disarmed. SO only the wealthy can protect themselves?

Tell that to the many people who defended themselves against criminals armed or otherwise after the gov't abandoned them.

Also the question should be asked as to why "private" security personell weren't being disarmed. SO only the wealthy can protect themselves?

because they are trained maybe?because chances are if they have to shoot someone they wont accidently kill an innocent by-stander?maybe because it's less likely trained professionals will have their guns stolen?

oh yes and should i ever encounter said people i will tell them that.

and think of it this way,if the law abiding citizens gave up their guns then the police and private security could arrest anyone with a gun on the assumption they are a criminal

Yes, well, as we all know, the only difference between "peaceable, law-abiding citizens" and "damn looters" is skin color.

Okay, is it only me that fears someone who says "Gimmie my gun!"

Id and guns don't mix.

Hell, if I was stupid enough to still be in New Orleans right now, I'd wanna have a gun to cuz I'd likely be trying to protect my property. The people that need their guns taken away were the snipers shooting at the National Guard during search and rescue missions.

because they are trained maybe?because chances are if they have to shoot someone they wont accidently kill an innocent by-stander?maybe because it's less likely trained professionals will have their guns stolen?

oh yes and should i ever encounter said people i will tell them that.

and think of it this way,if the law abiding citizens gave up their guns then the police and private security could arrest anyone with a gun on the assumption they are a criminal

Trained by whom? What is the difference between a wealthy person hiring a citizen carrying a gun and a Law Abiding Citizen carrying his/hers w/ a license?

Did you know that LAC's hit their targets more than "professionally trained " police?

Statistically, why don't they just arrest young black males on "the assumption they are a criminal"?

Well, at least SOMEONE in government isn't being stupid...

because they are trained maybe?because chances are if they have to shoot someone they wont accidently kill an innocent by-stander?maybe because it's less likely trained professionals will have their guns stolen?

oh yes and should i ever encounter said people i will tell them that.

and think of it this way,if the law abiding citizens gave up their guns then the police and private security could arrest anyone with a gun on the assumption they are a criminal

also, consider that if a looter is trying to steal some of your property... if you have a gun, you can prevent it from happening. If you have to wait (and wait, and wait) for a policeman to help you, your stuff is as good as stolen.

also, consider that if a looter is trying to steal some of your property... if you have a gun, you can prevent it from happening. If you have to wait (and wait, and wait) for a policeman to help you, your stuff is as good as stolen.


Thank God someone has some sense here....

also, consider that if a looter is trying to steal some of your property... if you have a gun, you can prevent it from happening. If you have to wait (and wait, and wait) for a policeman to help you, your stuff is as good as stolen.

Looters, by definition, are stealing from abandoned buildings. To stop looters on your property you would need an awfully big gun.

because they are trained maybe?because chances are if they have to shoot someone they wont accidently kill an innocent by-stander?maybe because it's less likely trained professionals will have their guns stolen?

oh yes and should i ever encounter said people i will tell them that.

and think of it this way,if the law abiding citizens gave up their guns then the police and private security could arrest anyone with a gun on the assumption they are a criminal

Speaking as the spouse of someone long in the security field...

hah-trained-hah! And hahahahahaha!

You don't want to know the truth!

But I will say, at least we don't let monkeys carry guns---that would make the "trained" security people look bad! :headbang:

Speaking as the spouse of someone long in the security field...

hah-trained-hah! And hahahahahaha!

You don't want to know the truth!

But I will say, at least we don't let monkeys carry guns---that would make the "trained" security people look bad! :headbang:

I've given classes in hand to weapon combat to "trained" security personel before. I think that your monkeys might be running the some of the classes out there.

I'll me a man defending what is his over a rent-a-cop any day of the week.

I guess my name says how I feel about this issue.

Looters, by definition, are stealing from abandoned buildings. To stop looters on your property you would need an awfully big gun.

okay, then, burglers/thieves

or whatever one is called when he attempts to break into your home to steal your wares while you are at home

The courts got one right! Gimmie my gun!

Yee Haw!!

Good for the courts. Chalk another one up to the 2nd Amendment.

Good for the courts. Chalk another one up to the 2nd Amendment.

I'd have to read the actual decision, but this sounds more like a Due Process issue than a 2nd Amendment one. The courts have no qualms with taking guns from law-breaking citizens, so it isn't so much a matter of whether or not they are allowed to own guns as it is the fact that their property is being confiscated with they have broken no laws.

Major Victory For Firearms Owners And Freedom In Louisiana

Friday, September 23, 2005

(Fairfax, VA) -- The United States District Court for the Eastern District in Louisiana today sided with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and issued a restraining order to bar further gun confiscations from peaceable and law-abiding victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Read the story (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6539).
Three cheers for an intelligent decision!
Hip Hip Hooray!
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Hip Hip Hooray!

also, consider that if a looter is trying to steal some of your property... if you have a gun, you can prevent it from happening. If you have to wait (and wait, and wait) for a policeman to help you, your stuff is as good as stolen.
I don't think I ever will be able to follow that mindset... :(
I'm trying, but your view of how society works is so fundamentally different from mine, it seems pointless.

"My property is being stolen (maybe)! I stand to lose financially! I distrust all forms of authority, I automatically assume the group of people charged by the state, and by society, to prevent this is incapable of doing so! Why? I don't quite know, but it must be true!
Now, lets just aim...BANG! Oooh, now I'm a real man!"

Thank God someone has some sense here....


finally,and i heard they are going to look into the states various laws to prevent this from happening again(the nra)
if they do take a proactive approach to defending all gunowners rights(not just sportsmen..i don't hunt)but every legal gun owners rights....i will sign up tomorrow.
i got angry because i was thrown to the wolves over the "assault rifle" issue,which was them backing down for peoples rights like mine,because it was politically expediant for the majority of sportsmen.
what they should have done was exsposed the b.s. behind the whole myth of so called "assault rifles" the media has everyone brainwashed about.
they ARENT machine guns/evil/etc.just plain old semi auto's that look scary...jeez.
taking the bayonet lug off really stopped all those drive by bayonetings i bet...lol
but i digress...

what should happen now is they should charge the people that ordered the UNCONSTITUTIONAL seizures for violating everyones civil rights.
they charge people(rightfully) for violating gays and people of color rights...i guess some rights are protected and others are not.....unless the political climate dictates it correct at the moment.
silly me...i thought the b.o.r. was for everyone all the time,not just what was politically correct at some particular time. :) :confused: :rolleyes:

I don't think I ever will be able to follow that mindset... :(
I'm trying, but your view of how society works is so fundamentally different from mine, it seems pointless.

"My property is being stolen (maybe)! I stand to lose financially! I distrust all forms of authority, I automatically assume the group of people charged by the state, and by society, to prevent this is incapable of doing so! Why? I don't quite know, but it must be true!
Now, lets just aim...BANG! Oooh, now I'm a real man!"

well i guess you haven't seen the numerous videos of the cops deserting there posts,quitting...and of coarse....LOOTING

thank you for your concern for the defenseless people..abandoned by the people charged with there protection.

and i was going to say that yes,unfortunately for us,we have a completely different society then you apparently,you would vomit if you saw the tip of corruption i have seen with the people charged with our protection,from unprovoked beatings to actual robbing drug dealers and reselling the product,while the dealer is in jail.to out right blackmail and strong arm tactics.(would probably explain why the 2nd amendment is there)

i was going to say how lucky you were, where you did not live in fear of the crimminals and the law,
however,after your last line about"being a man" statement,you showed your true colors.
a reasoned position if what you said was true,(i n your opening remarks)but the insult to people trying to survive shows you for what you are....either a holier then thou ivory towered fool,or some closeminded hypocrite that you think anyone that owns a firearm is a redneck or some twit that has some masculinity issue...get the hypocracy...if you own a gun and dont think like me...your...this...but if you agree with me,boy aint we worldly and openminded,yet you pigoenhole gun owners as hicks or worse...but you are the openminded one...what a joke.your as openminded to ideas foreign to your preconceived notions as a wall. :mp5:

When there is no answer to 911, when the nearest cop is miles and many feet deep of water away, when the grinning gangbangers know they can have thier way with you and your family as long as they want, however they want, then a good firearm can be a blessing. Why would a group of gangbangers run from one man with a gun? Because cowards run in packs, and none of them want to be the first one shot.

Please write sentences and use paragraphs.

well i guess you haven't seen the numerous videos of the cops deserting there posts,quitting...and of coarse....LOOTING

thank you for your concern for the defenseless people..abandoned by the people charged with there protection.
What's first? The Chicken or the Egg?

either a holier then thou ivory towered fool
I guess I can't help it. I value other people, and I believe that society is a whole, rather than a bunch of individuals forced to live together by Mother Nature.
I can think of situations where I may be able to kill someone, but someone trying to loot my stuff most definitely isn't one of them.

closeminded hypocrite that you think anyone that owns a firearm is a redneck or some twit that has some masculinity issue
Maybe I was a little unfair, but I can only know what I have seen, and both in Germany and in Australia gun owners fit a very distinct state of mind - and that is the one that justifies "taking the law into your own hands". It didn't seem all that big a leap to conclude that owning a gun has a romantic value to it, one perhaps inspired by the stories of the colonisation, of man against rugged nature...

...but you are the openminded one...what a joke.your as openminded to ideas foreign to your preconceived notions as a wall.
Indeed, I'm rather close-minded as far as justification for killing someone because he enters my property goes.

:mp5:
Put the gun away, you're gonna hurt someone. :D

Please write sentences and use paragraphs.


What's first? The Chicken or the Egg?


I guess I can't help it. I value other people, and I believe that society is a whole, rather than a bunch of individuals forced to live together by Mother Nature.
I can think of situations where I may be able to kill someone, but someone trying to loot my stuff most definitely isn't one of them.


Maybe I was a little unfair, but I can only know what I have seen, and both in Germany and in Australia gun owners fit a very distinct state of mind - and that is the one that justifies "taking the law into your own hands". It didn't seem all that big a leap to conclude that owning a gun has a romantic value to it, one perhaps inspired by the stories of the colonisation, of man against rugged nature...


Indeed, I'm rather close-minded as far as justification for killing someone because he enters my property goes.


Put the gun away, you're gonna hurt someone. :D


whatever,a few more insults wont bother me.

i would love to debate the differences between our cultures,but that seems quite impossible considering your need to insult rather then discuss.

i do find it interesting that in your culture..gunowners are"take the law into there hands"

as for my experiance in the us...of coarse there are rednecks,but not many.

i have owned guns and known gunowners for well over 30 years.
i have never fired a gun in anger or defense,and hope to never too.
nor has any people i know with the exception of a friend who was being accosted in philly 2 years ago....they fled when he produced a gun,he could have legally fired on them but they fled and he did not conclude the situation.

that said,the vast majority of legal gun owners in america would never use a weapon to hurt someone, even in self defense..only as a deterrent would it be produced.

i cant think of a single gun owner that i know that would ever want to shoot someone..period.
i would be unbalanced and insane if i thought it was ok to shoot a fellow human being.
only, and at a last resort would i even produce a weapon,let alone shoot someone.and my life would have to be in grave danger..which unfortunately happens all too regulary here.yet with all the people with guns here,legal guns,not many people get shot even in the commision of a crime.

the death by gun stats are misleading,they largely reflect crimminal gangs killing each other over "turf" or the quite lucrative drug market.
which of coarse creates an enviroment of fear and spin off crime which does affect innocent people.
i myself live in a very safe area,but then again,so did my brother in new orleans until 3 weeks ago.

thank you for acknowledging that perhaps you were being unfair.

i will also apologize for my rhetoric,i am just sick of being instantly portrayed as a bloodthirsty/redneck/insecure/male with issues/trigger happy hick,because i own and enjoy firearms.
yes i enjoy shooting,i dont hunt but i have no problem with hunters,just not my bag...i hate to hurt things and acme is down the street.if i was starving i guess,no i am sure i would hunt to feed my family.as i am sure many less fortunate people do as we speak.

funny aside...my best friends mom left him and his sister and brother when they were like 10 years old.his dad was never home..ever..so there was zip food.my mom would feed him cause we were pretty well off,but his siblings were always hungry,so he use to go shoot rabbits and pheasants to feed them.
now he is a millionaire of coarse,self made.so even though i dislike hunting myself..i can understand it..plus the need to thin the herd so to speak due to suburban sprawl.

and finally..lol...yes i do believe in the culture of rugged individulism and the founding fathers ideals of being able to defend from tyranny.
but mostly i like the science and art of firearms.i was raised with it,and raise my kids the same,to be responsible and thoughtful,like you would with a 3000 pound car or any thing that could harm someone.

for the record...i am a sensitive single father of 2 kids.1 in college and 1 in high school.boy and girl.
i am concerned about all people,i hope and wish for a better world for my children and eveyones.
you would have to basically have to be assaulting me with deadly intent before i would even defend myself..i would prefer to flee(kids you know)but i will defend my family in a situation like in n.o. were everyone was abandoned by the gov. which is precisely why i own guns.if it was a perfect world,then i would think a little different.

for what it is worth..and i cant figure it out yet..lol...my political compass is...
economic left/right 0.25
social -1.33

maybe someone can explain what that means...i just think i am a libertarian and pretty easygoing.

thanks for at least trying to understand me leonstein..i would love to discuss different cultures without the rhetoric of extreme positions.

p.s.sorry,i sucked in english classes so my sentence structure is pathetic,maybe i shouldn't have been burning spliffs in the bathroom.. :)

Good for the courts.

Major Victory For Firearms Owners And Freedom In Louisiana

Friday, September 23, 2005

(Fairfax, VA) -- The United States District Court for the Eastern District in Louisiana today sided with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and issued a restraining order to bar further gun confiscations from peaceable and law-abiding victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Read the story (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6539).

Holy crap! They got one right!

Major Victory For Firearms Owners And Freedom In Louisiana

Friday, September 23, 2005

(Fairfax, VA) -- The United States District Court for the Eastern District in Louisiana today sided with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and issued a restraining order to bar further gun confiscations from peaceable and law-abiding victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Read the story (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6539).

Way to go NRA .

i do find it interesting that in your culture..gunowners are"take the law into there hands"
I don't know whether the police is really that bad in the US that there is a reason to own a gun as a means of self-defence.
Now, there was a fair bit of crime (violent crime too) in some of the burbs in HH-City, where I spent my childhood. However, almost nobody there seems to own a gun, and so it concentrated on knives and the like, but at any rate, the Police was generally available when needed.
It is also true that, apart from being a hunter or forester, there is a stigma attached to gun ownership in Germany, which certainly doesn't exist in the US.
But unless you think the ones that are supposed to handle the law (ie the police, the courts etc) won't do it, you are taking the law into your own hand if you defend yourself rather then call the police, right?

....they fled when he produced a gun,he could have legally fired on them but they fled and he did not conclude the situation.
I'm not sure what the law is in Germany or here, but I'm pretty certain that even if your property is being stolen, even if they break and enter your house, the burden is on you to prove how your life was in danger.

that said,the vast majority of legal gun owners in america would never use a weapon to hurt someone, even in self defense..only as a deterrent would it be produced.
How about toy guns then? Although even then a better relationship with the local police would almost certainly give you a better deterrant, cuz it might stop people from breaking in in the first place.

the death by gun stats are misleading,they largely reflect crimminal gangs killing each other over "turf" or the quite lucrative drug market.
You think? Surely the number of criminals and gang members in the US can't be that great?
In any case, the question remains how guns find their way into poor urban ghettos, where the vast majority of people wouldn't have the money lying around to go and buy a gun. I suggest the answer is that they come from suburbia, where they are stolen from people like you, who only have them around as a deterrant.

...if i was starving i guess,no i am sure i would hunt to feed my family.as i am sure many less fortunate people do as we speak...
Well, that is probably a good example on how horrible the welfare system is in the US...but yes, I think everyone would go and do whatever necessary to survive, even if that meant looting someone's house.

and finally..lol...yes i do believe in the culture of rugged individulism and the founding fathers ideals of being able to defend from tyranny.
I thought that that was the most curious thing about the whole Katrina issue. Not that the evacuation, or the help was badly organised.
But that people seemed to be so ready to use violence. It was like as soon as they knew that the state had no more power, they tried to enrich themselves through violence. I've seen plenty of catastrophes in China, Japan, in India, the Tsunami and so on, but it never seemed to result in immediate violent anarchy...

...like you would with a 3000 pound car or any thing that could harm someone.
You found my one weakness!!! :D

if it was a perfect world,then i would think a little different.
It doesn't have to be perfect. All it takes is a little self-discipline to stay calm and reasonable, even if the government disappears suddenly, and maybe a little more equality - it seemed like most looters were either people looking for food, or poor Blacks looking for a way to improve their living standards at the cost of others.

for what it is worth..and i cant figure it out yet..lol...my political compass is...
economic left/right 0.25
social -1.33
Economic Left & Right means that you are fairly centrist. The higher the number, the more opposed you are to government regulation and involvement in the economy.
The Social Compass is essentially the same, just that it's about the way you live your life rather than the economy. So here you are a little more to the libertarian side, and think that the state shouldn't get involved in people's private lives.

thanks for at least trying to understand me leonstein..i would love to discuss different cultures without the rhetoric of extreme positions.
I'm always up for it, perhaps I was too quick to write my thoughts out without thinking who might be offended. Sorry.

I don't know whether the police is really that bad in the US that there is a reason to own a gun as a means of self-defence.
Now, there was a fair bit of crime (violent crime too) in some of the burbs in HH-City, where I spent my childhood. However, almost nobody there seems to own a gun, and so it concentrated on knives and the like, but at any rate, the Police was generally available when needed.
It is also true that, apart from being a hunter or forester, there is a stigma attached to gun ownership in Germany, which certainly doesn't exist in the US.
But unless you think the ones that are supposed to handle the law (ie the police, the courts etc) won't do it, you are taking the law into your own hand if you defend yourself rather then call the police, right?


I'm not sure what the law is in Germany or here, but I'm pretty certain that even if your property is being stolen, even if they break and enter your house, the burden is on you to prove how your life was in danger.


How about toy guns then? Although even then a better relationship with the local police would almost certainly give you a better deterrant, cuz it might stop people from breaking in in the first place.


You think? Surely the number of criminals and gang members in the US can't be that great?
In any case, the question remains how guns find their way into poor urban ghettos, where the vast majority of people wouldn't have the money lying around to go and buy a gun. I suggest the answer is that they come from suburbia, where they are stolen from people like you, who only have them around as a deterrant.


Well, that is probably a good example on how horrible the welfare system is in the US...but yes, I think everyone would go and do whatever necessary to survive, even if that meant looting someone's house.


I thought that that was the most curious thing about the whole Katrina issue. Not that the evacuation, or the help was badly organised.
But that people seemed to be so ready to use violence. It was like as soon as they knew that the state had no more power, they tried to enrich themselves through violence. I've seen plenty of catastrophes in China, Japan, in India, the Tsunami and so on, but it never seemed to result in immediate violent anarchy...


You found my one weakness!!! :D


It doesn't have to be perfect. All it takes is a little self-discipline to stay calm and reasonable, even if the government disappears suddenly, and maybe a little more equality - it seemed like most looters were either people looking for food, or poor Blacks looking for a way to improve their living standards at the cost of others.


Economic Left & Right means that you are fairly centrist. The higher the number, the more opposed you are to government regulation and involvement in the economy.
The Social Compass is essentially the same, just that it's about the way you live your life rather than the economy. So here you are a little more to the libertarian side, and think that the state shouldn't get involved in people's private lives.


I'm always up for it, perhaps I was too quick to write my thoughts out without thinking who might be offended. Sorry.


very thought out reply...thank you.

i wish i could capture quotes and box them to respond,but i cant...so i will wing it.

as far as the police being that bad...not saying that ..but i have personally seen cops beat the hell out of drug dealer..lock him up..then they took the drugs they took and replaced it with a mix,and sold it to my friend.
that nonsense aside...america is a huge land mass and even the good cops are very far away it always seems like,when you need them.
i know other countries like canada and aussieland are big...but they don't have are social problems.which is why i am not a died in the wool capitalist..because of the inequities it produces.

so short version..you need to protect yourself because good luck waiting for the cops in the best of times.

i don't know if you ever been here,other then the tourist destinations...but walk down the street in camden/compton/bronx/north philly/....many many places....if you are white or an outsider you will be killed.
thats why we have guns i guess...because if you break down there..you die unless you can defend yourself.
ever see the movie grand canyon?with danny glover and kevin klein...great movie about life here.

in america..it is not the same as i guess in europe...we can kill you for coming into our homes..in most states.
because they assume malice when entering someones property with ill intent(and here we divulge)if i wake up and you are creeping around my home stealing things...i wont shoot you right away,i will draw a weapon,tell you to freeze and call the cops...but sooooo many people have been killed suprising burglars here it is folly to not be armed.
i am an old man,do i really stand a chance against a 20 year old kid with a knife?and knowing there propensity to be violent!

aside..i was beaten into a coma buying fried chicken in the afternoon 1 day because i would not give 4 young toughs my keys to my car.they bashed me in the head with a cinder block till i was basically dead.
no cops..of coarse no witnesses because they were scared of the kids.
i lost my car,almost my life and some money..but the point is..i would not have shot them if i had a gun..just brandished it to protect myself.

now if you are rich...different story,you can walk down broadway nyc at 3 am and have no worries mate...cops everywere..cause of the money people.

thats the single problem,haves and have nots.
so when they have an oppurtunity to capitalize on what they percieve as haves..they take it...unfortunately...most rich folk aint buying chicken in camden.

doesnt help me...but you can excuse the behavior as the result of poverty,which to some extent it is...but i was flat broke and never attacked people because i was poor....the social issues go much deeper.

i tend to blame the nanny state mentality...the democrats love to espouse,it's someone elses fault your poor(not the booze and crack and meth and fatherless kids)but the rich peoples..so now you have an enviroment ripe for justifying all sorts of abhorrent behaviour.

i have been so dirt poor i microwaved cake mix with water i was so hungry,and it was suppose to have eggs and milk.it was awful but i never ever considered attacking an innocent person to take what was theirs...was i jealous..sure...but a crimminal...i'd have died first.

the society of america is to blame for the violence and culture we have....but it cuts both ways....

the sad fact is...i am a simple man trying to live a simple life...never harm a soul...but i know i break down onthe wrong street and my kids are fatherless..and there mom is gone.
i wont leave my kids without a fight.
and unfortunately....the police will be off writing revenue generating tix..so i am on my own.

sometimes i wish i was a socialist...but i like the idea that i can someday have the yaht rather then the factory job....lol

as far as your assumption that guns come from suburbia....no insult intended...i was making zip guns in junior high...the guns these gang bangers use are coming from the east block(europe) or self made guns or strawman purchases.
taking away guns will only disarm the people that dont use them in crimes....people like me..honest people.

by the way..i could make a gun that is far more nasty in about 15 minutes then any gun i could legally purchase,but i dont..i obey the laws of the land.
also it would be untraceable...but in cali they want to serialize guns and bullets....what another bandaid on a sucking chest wound,that wont impact crime 1 iota..but cause legal owners a bunch of money.and have zero affect on crime.

feel good legislation is nothing more then patting oneself on the back and doing nothing.

you want to change things...keep violent felons in jail,quit paying people to have babies without dads,commit a crime with a gun your done,start spreading the wealth around...not welfare but oppurtunity.give people a choice other then gangbanging...if they want that...go to jail.create real oppurtunity for people...at least enough of a light to make them think there is something better.

rant off....


sorry..again for horrendous english composition...i paid attention in some classes..but mostly i was stoned...shows..lol

very thought out reply...thank you.

i wish i could capture quotes and box them to respond,but i cant...so i will wing it.

as far as the police being that bad...not saying that ..but i have personally seen cops beat the hell out of drug dealer..lock him up..then they took the drugs they took and replaced it with a mix,and sold it to my friend.
that nonsense aside...america is a huge land mass and even the good cops are very far away it always seems like,when you need them.
i know other countries like canada and aussieland are big...but they don't have are social problems.which is why i am not a died in the wool capitalist..because of the inequities it produces.

so short version..you need to protect yourself because good luck waiting for the cops in the best of times.

i don't know if you ever been here,other then the tourist destinations...but walk down the street in camden/compton/bronx/north philly/....many many places....if you are white or an outsider you will be killed.
thats why we have guns i guess...because if you break down there..you die unless you can defend yourself.
ever see the movie grand canyon?with danny glover and kevin klein...great movie about life here.

in america..it is not the same as i guess in europe...we can kill you for coming into our homes..in most states.
because they assume malice when entering someones property with ill intent(and here we divulge)if i wake up and you are creeping around my home stealing things...i wont shoot you right away,i will draw a weapon,tell you to freeze and call the cops...but sooooo many people have been killed suprising burglars here it is folly to not be armed.
i am an old man,do i really stand a chance against a 20 year old kid with a knife?and knowing there propensity to be violent!

aside..i was beaten into a coma buying fried chicken in the afternoon 1 day because i would not give 4 young toughs my keys to my car.they bashed me in the head with a cinder block till i was basically dead.
no cops..of coarse no witnesses because they were scared of the kids.
i lost my car,almost my life and some money..but the point is..i would not have shot them if i had a gun..just brandished it to protect myself.

now if you are rich...different story,you can walk down broadway nyc at 3 am and have no worries mate...cops everywere..cause of the money people.

thats the single problem,haves and have nots.
so when they have an oppurtunity to capitalize on what they percieve as haves..they take it...unfortunately...most rich folk aint buying chicken in camden.

doesnt help me...but you can excuse the behavior as the result of poverty,which to some extent it is...but i was flat broke and never attacked people because i was poor....the social issues go much deeper.

i tend to blame the nanny state mentality...the democrats love to espouse,it's someone elses fault your poor(not the booze and crack and meth and fatherless kids)but the rich peoples..so now you have an enviroment ripe for justifying all sorts of abhorrent behaviour.

i have been so dirt poor i microwaved cake mix with water i was so hungry,and it was suppose to have eggs and milk.it was awful but i never ever considered attacking an innocent person to take what was theirs...was i jealous..sure...but a crimminal...i'd have died first.

the society of america is to blame for the violence and culture we have....but it cuts both ways....

the sad fact is...i am a simple man trying to live a simple life...never harm a soul...but i know i break down onthe wrong street and my kids are fatherless..and there mom is gone.
i wont leave my kids without a fight.
and unfortunately....the police will be off writing revenue generating tix..so i am on my own.

sometimes i wish i was a socialist...but i like the idea that i can someday have the yaht rather then the factory job....lol

as far as your assumption that guns come from suburbia....no insult intended...i was making zip guns in junior high...the guns these gang bangers use are coming from the east block(europe) or self made guns or strawman purchases.
taking away guns will only disarm the people that dont use them in crimes....people like me..honest people.

by the way..i could make a gun that is far more nasty in about 15 minutes then any gun i could legally purchase,but i dont..i obey the laws of the land.
also it would be untraceable...but in cali they want to serialize guns and bullets....what another bandaid on a sucking chest wound,that wont impact crime 1 iota..but cause legal owners a bunch of money.and have zero affect on crime.

feel good legislation is nothing more then patting oneself on the back and doing nothing.

you want to change things...keep violent felons in jail,quit paying people to have babies without dads,commit a crime with a gun your done,start spreading the wealth around...not welfare but oppurtunity.give people a choice other then gangbanging...if they want that...go to jail.create real oppurtunity for people...at least enough of a light to make them think there is something better.

rant off....


sorry..again for horrendous english composition...i paid attention in some classes..but mostly i was stoned...shows..lol



But unless you think the ones that are supposed to handle the law (ie the police, the courts etc) won't do it, you are taking the law into your own hand if you defend yourself rather then call the police, right?

i guess you have a point there...sorry i missed it,but i guess your correct...it is up to you for you own protection here...the supreme court has ruled that the gov has no responsibility to protect the individual..only the community...that said..i am on my own i guess.
so i suppose i was in error about taking the law into ones hands..but that is what we have...the supreme court basically said so...and they are the law of the land.
i wish there was a cop on every corner(no i dont)but the simple fact is there isnt...and the courts have said..your on your own..when your on your own..so gimmie back my bullets..lol


and thank you for an intelligent diologue...it has been my pleasure.

..and thank you for an intelligent diologue...it has been my pleasure.
I thank you too, my friend. :)