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Do you think it is OK for people to "swing" or "wife swap" or as the French currently say, "exchange" partners?

Do you think it is OK for people to "swing" or "wife swap" or as the French currently say, "exchange" partners?
Cant see why not, as long as it is consented by all parties

Uhm....no. I take very seriously the vows taken at marriage. Vows made not only to your spouse, but to God (Unless your an atheist, which is why I find it hard to believe that people can have a moral center without religion, but that's a debate for another thread). Even if both sides agree to breaking the "contract" it doesn't make voilating the terms ok.

Uhm....no. I take very seriously the vows taken at marriage. Vows made not only to your spouse, but to God (Unless your an atheist, which is why I find it hard to believe that people can have a moral center without religion, but that's a debate for another thread). Even if both sides agree to breaking the "contract" it doesn't make voilating the terms ok.

Vows made not only to your spouse, but to God.Not where I live. The state has taken back control over marriage.

*agrees w/ laerod* yes, we're the coolest! :cool:

well i voted the first option because i think it's okay as long as both know about the stuff the other does, and it's all open+honest-consentual..*shrugs*

Uhm....no. I take very seriously the vows taken at marriage. Vows made not only to your spouse, but to God (Unless your an atheist, which is why I find it hard to believe that people can have a moral center without religion, but that's a debate for another thread). Even if both sides agree to breaking the "contract" it doesn't make voilating the terms ok.

your vows said "no sex outside of marriage even if we both agree to it"? that must have been an awkward moment at the ceremony

Thank goodness I'm just in a common-law relationship...though I'll make sure to be married in a civil ceremony if we ever feel like going through the motions to 'validate' a relationship we're both quite committed too...forget the vows to 'God'.

Funny...a lot of people have told me that around the 10 year mark in a marriage, the sex either becomes completely stagnant...and very often someone cheats...or a couple is able to be open enough with one another about their sexual relationship to keep the sex great. And for some, great sex means including others. It's a road we're just setting foot on...and yay!

your vows said "no sex outside of marriage even if we both agree to it"? that must have been an awkward moment at the ceremony

His vows may have included, "forsaking all others".

I think that part is intended to cover it. Mine did not have those words though.

His vows may have included, "forsaking all others".

I think that part is intended to cover it. Mine did not have those words though.
The main things I worry about are:

-disease
-weirdo stalker types
-embarassing situations like taking a new job and 'recognising' one of your coworkers :D

It doesn't fit into my concept of marriage, and it isn't something that I would feel comfortable doing. My partner also has said that he would not feel comfortable with it, even to get the "two-girl" fantasy. (So I guess it's good that we agree).

However, if two people have thought it through and they think it is fine within their relationship - both completely consenting and neither pressured into it - who am I to say anything at all about it? Just be safe and be sure that both people are comfortable with the situation, whatever it turns out to be.

The main things I worry about are:

-disease
-weirdo stalker types
-embarassing situations like taking a new job and 'recognising' one of your coworkers :D

Here in the US, according to the CDC, there are several things you can do to reduce your level of risk.

1. Use condoms (not as effective as you might think - you can still get many diseases from kissing someone - AIDS is not the only disease to worry about).
2. Avoid high risk subpopulations - that is, avoid intravenous drug users, male bisexuals, male homosexuals, and urban African-Americans and urban Hispanics. Just avoiding these groups in combination with Rule 3 lowers your risk MORE in the US than wearing a condom. And putting on a condom makes it that much safer.
3. Never do anal sex. Even with a condom, it's too risky.
4. Stalker types are easy to screen out.
5. If you use some of the websites that are available today, like adult friend finder, you can pick people who are not your coworkers (unless you live in a small town in Canada where everyone knows everyone else).

#3 :(

This precaution makes sense though.

I've read that for AIDS transmission, if you are the recipient of anal sex, and the person is not wearing a condom, AND the person is HIV-positive, the chance of transmission is 1 in 4 per sex act.

Put a condom on, and that becomes about 1 in 400 per sex act - still dangerous. And the CDC only counts condom usages as "perfect". In their definition, "perfect" means it doesn't slip AT ALL. Not to mention break, tear, leak, etc.

For women who are engaged in vaginal sex, where the male is positive, her chance of transmission is about 1 in 16,000 and that's if there is no condom.

Oral transmission is even lower.

So, at least for AIDS, you can lower your risk not only by choosing a condom, but by choosing your partner carefully, and avoiding certain types of behavior.

If the behavior - transmission relationship were not so strong, there would be just as many heterosexuals (by proportion) infected with HIV as other subpopulations. The reason the CDC believes that it spread so rapidly in Africa is that anal sex is popular there as a method of birth control.

Whatever you do in your bedroom with a consenting adult is nobody else's business. Period.

Whatever you do in your bedroom with a consenting adult is nobody else's business. Period.
Amen.

Whatever you do in your bedroom with a consenting adult is nobody else's business. Period.What about cannibalism?

You're referring to the German one? If the predated side is ok with it (and mentally stable!) I'd say bon appetit

What about cannibalism?
Damn. How many times are you going to bite me in the ass with that one? :p

You're referring to the German one? If the predated side is ok with it (and mentally stable!) I'd say bon appetitI'd disagree with that ;)
It's the killing of a grown human being as part of a sex act.
Damn. How many times are you going to bite me in the ass with that one?:pI'm a little Jimminy Cricket that acts like your conscience :D
(I'm shocked that you forgot about that case of consent...)

To tell you the truth I really don't understand it. "I am going to be in a commited relationship with you but want to share myself with everyone else" but I could be incurably naive.

I don't think it is right. I know it isn't right for me and my husband. I only have limited knowledge about it though. The only couple who I knew who where "swingers" had all these "rules" about who you could sleep with and when, and how you had to ask and when the other could object, it got really complicated and they ended up getting a divorce, losing thier kids to DCF and the girl married her father in law and is in an "open" relationship with him and his ex wife and the husband married the 16 year old babysitter. I am very sure that, thier experience isn't in any way typical, but with that being my only direct knowledge of the situation then you can see how I would see it as screwed up and problematic.

I really don't understand if you want to do something why not just do it with your spouse? why the need to bring others into the marriage?

I don't know. I guess if that's what you want to do, then I shouldn't try to stop you, just don't try to recruit me to join you. (my swinger friends tried to talk us into joining saying "don't you ever just want to see what someone else would be like?" and my answer everytime was "nope")

I wanted to forget about it...I tried damn hard...and you...you just HAD to bring it up again! Rar! I don't want to have to say, "Whatever you do in your bedroom with a consenting adult is nobody else's business as long as it doesn't involved death, dismemberment or cannibalism". Too wordy!

I really don't understand if you want to do something why not just do it with your spouse? why the need to bring others into the marriage?

Because if both of you fantasise about sharing, you can't just do that with your spouse. Imaginary friends are hard to believe in when you're an adult :p

I really don't understand if you want to do something why not just do it with your spouse? why the need to bring others into the marriage?


Hmm. How am I supposed to indulge my wife's desire to be with another woman without bringing someone else into the marriage?

I could make a long list.

I agree, it's not for everyone, and it's not right for people to pressure you into it.

My wife and I have no problems with it at all.

It's unhealthy... for you, for them, for physical, for mental.

Acting worse than animals in a barn, and some people think it's okay? Nonsense.

It's unhealthy... for you, for them, for physical, for mental.

Acting worse than animals in a barn, and some people think it's okay? Nonsense.
Nonsense for you. It makes perfect sense to me.

It's unhealthy... for you, for them, for physical, for mental.

Acting worse than animals in a barn, and some people think it's okay? Nonsense.

Explain how it's unhealthy. Please give details, personal experience, and other evidence. It's working for me and my wife.

If they're having fun without bothering me? I couldn't care less what they were doing...

Because if both of you fantasise about sharing, you can't just do that with your spouse. Imaginary friends are hard to believe in when you're an adult :p
roleplay? okay maybe not.

Hmm. How am I supposed to indulge my wife's desire to be with another woman without bringing someone else into the marriage?

I could make a long list.

I agree, it's not for everyone, and it's not right for people to pressure you into it.

My wife and I have no problems with it at all.
guess I haven't run into that. In my religion not only is it a sin to have sex with someone you aren't married to, it is also a sin to have sex with someone of the same gender.
It is difficult for me to remember sometimes that everyone isn't like me.

roleplay? okay maybe not.
Yeah...I played that out in my head. It was really funny:).

I don't know if I can agree with swapping my wife for two reasons:

1) It doesn't seem that I am attracted to anyone else's wife

2) I'm naturally suspicious (having been cheated on by every other girl I've been with other than my wife).

But I'm all for the extra girl thing...if I could only convince her... ;)

If all parties involved are happy to do it, then nobody can stop them.

But I'm all for the extra girl thing...if I could only convince her... ;)
I wouldn't be willing to let my husband fulfill his fantasy (okay, mine too) of a MWW fling if I couldn't have a MWM fling.

But you need to have a level of trust and honesty in your relationship, that unfortunately, many people just don't have. (Trust and honesty don't automatically mean swapping of course)

5 years running and our marriage is as strong as ever.

Monogamy doesn't work. The 50% divorce rate is proof enough. Humans weren't meant to be monogamous, and it shows.

On the other hand, I only know one swinger couple that's gotten divorced. Seems he couldn't abide by the rules. Oh well, his loss. Threesomes are more fun anyways. ;)

I'm just amazed at how many people actually do this...the more we look into it and plan, the more we realise that there is this whole other world out there that plenty of people are already quite familiar with...and here we thought we were unique :p

Whatever you do in your bedroom with a consenting adult is nobody else's business. Period.

Well, I would say that it is also the business of any other consenting adult you sometimes have in your bedroom, but other than that, absolutely!

Well, I would say that it is also the business of any other consenting adult you sometimes have in your bedroom, but other than that, absolutely!
What's this hangup with the bedroom? Sheesh...the kitchen is an oft-overlooked trysting-place too you know! :D

Do you think it is OK for people to "swing" or "wife swap" or as the French currently say, "exchange" partners?

If all persons involved agree and have fun - sure. However, children (if any) and God if you got married in a church do fall in the "involved persons" category; so their opinion counts.

What about cannibalism?

Again: if all persons involved agree, and are of sound mind (yes, this IS possible) - why not ? Their life. Their decision what to do with it.

What's this hangup with the bedroom? Sheesh...the kitchen is an oft-overlooked trysting-place too you know! :D

Hehe, my kitchen has too many windows and I'm too lazy to close all the blinds. The office gets some use though, I was just using "bedroom" instead of saying, "It is also the business of anyone else you have sex with, in whatever room and on whatever piece of furniture/floor/wall you do it." =)

I'd never do it. Also, I think wife swapping defeats the whole point of marriage. The government shouldn't outlaw swinging because it amounts to a private and mutually agreed upon contract between consenting adults, but if you ask me to morally condone your stupid lifestyle, that's never going to happen.

What's this hangup with the bedroom? Sheesh...the kitchen is an oft-overlooked trysting-place too you know! :D

not my kitchen...not enough counter space and the floor is a bit cramped

If all persons involved agree and have fun - sure. However, children (if any) and God if you got married in a church do fall in the "involved persons" category; so their opinion counts.
We're not talking about, 'Hey kids, your mommy for the week is..."! Do you ask your kids if you can do 'x' sex act? If so...EWWW! This would fall into the category of 'don't need to know'!

Again: if all persons involved agree, and are of sound mind (yes, this IS possible) - why not ? Their life. Their decision what to do with it.\

What the eff???

Again: if all persons involved agree, and are of sound mind (yes, this IS possible) - why not ? Their life. Their decision what to do with it.\

What the eff???

Hehe, my kitchen has too many windows and I'm too lazy to close all the blinds. The office gets some use though, I was just using "bedroom" instead of saying, "It is also the business of anyone else you have sex with, in whatever room and on whatever piece of furniture/floor/wall you do it." =)
Yeah, I know...just razzing ya.

I'd never do it. Also, I think wife swapping defeats the whole point of marriage. The government shouldn't outlaw swinging because it amounts to a private and mutually agreed upon contract between consenting adults, but if you ask me to morally condone your stupid lifestyle, that's never going to happen.
*scratches Orangians of the 'to DO' list* :p

I wouldn't be willing to let my husband fulfill his fantasy (okay, mine too) of a MWW fling if I couldn't have a MWM fling.

Oooh! Oooh! Pick me!! Pick me!!

*scratches Orangians of the 'to DO' list* :p

Sorry. :) I'm not a lesbo. Much love, girl.

Oooh! Oooh! Pick me!! Pick me!!
Kehehehhheeee...

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What the eff???

Why is that shocking ? What do you consider more acceptable: eating something which did not wish to die and be eaten or something that has no problems with that ?
Burying perfectly edible meat in the ground to rot or feeding them to a starving child ?

Why is that shocking ? What do you consider more acceptable: eating something which did not wish to die and be eaten or something that has no problems with that ?
Burying perfectly edible meat in the ground to rot or feeding them to a starving child ?
Please...leave the cannibalism argument to another thread. Please.

I wouldn't be willing to let my husband fulfill his fantasy (okay, mine too) of a MWW fling if I couldn't have a MWM fling.

But you need to have a level of trust and honesty in your relationship, that unfortunately, many people just don't have. (Trust and honesty don't automatically mean swapping of course)

Part of our "understanding" if that should ever take place (which is highly doubtful) is that it would be more of a WW with a male on the side watching more or less (okay, more than watching, but not interacting with the girl not my wife). I don't think that would work with 2 guys. I know I wouldn't enjoy it.

and why is it MWM...why not WMM or MMW? ;)

Whatever you do in your bedroom with a consenting adult is nobody else's business. Period.

Agreed!

It's not something I personally would want to do. I love my husband and he takes care of ALL my "needs" So I can't ever see Zep and I doing something like that, however if other people want to do it, go for it. None of my business. It would also not change my opinion of a friend who has or will do it either. I don't care what other people do in their own bedrooms with other consenting adults.

Please...leave the cannibalism argument to another thread. Please.

Well...there is more than likely meat-eating going on in both situations. :p

Do you think it is OK for people to "swing" or "wife swap" or as the French currently say, "exchange" partners?

I don't believe this is right, certainly not for me in my marriage as a Christian. I have no judgement toward those who do swing, other than I think they're making a mistake. It's their choice to do with their life as they wish.

I do not feel this should be legislated against or controlled by government, though any moral or social criticism should not be quelled either. People should have the freedom to do as they wish in their home as long as they cause no harm to others.

and why is it MWM...why not WMM or MMW? ;)
Because the W is supposed to be in the middle in my particular scenario...my husband isn't bi, so he'd like that space between him and the next guy:).

I don't believe this is right, certainly not for me in my marriage as a Christian. I have no judgement toward those who do swing, other than I think they're making a mistake. It's their choice to do with their life as they wish.

I do not feel this should be legislated against or controlled by government, though any moral or social criticism should not be quelled either. People should have the freedom to do as they wish in their home as long as they cause no harm to others.

I agree.

With the freedom part...not the christian part.

I actually know a few christians that are "turning the other cheek" in that manner (pun 100% certified to be intended ;) )

Well...there is more than likely meat-eating going on in both situations. :p
Yes, but as bulimics like to say...if you're not actually digesting it, you didn't eat it.

Because the W is supposed to be in the middle in my particular scenario...my husband isn't bi, so he'd like that space between him and the next guy:).

then perhaps it could be more like

w
w w

(those bottom w's are really upside down m's and the w is hanging from a chandalier...I don;t know how she got up there....but these things happen)





Or it's a drafting diagram for touring cyclists



or a flock of birds divebombing
























IT'S FRIDAY!!!

:cool:

Yes, but as bulimics like to say...if you're not actually digesting it, you didn't eat it.

Haha...so as long as you don't swallow, swinging and cannibalism are both okay.

Haha...so as long as you don't swallow, swinging and ******** are both okay.
Sorry...I no longer recognise that word in this thread. It's dead to me! Dead I say! Back to the sex damnit!

Uhm....no. I take very seriously the vows taken at marriage. Vows made not only to your spouse, but to God (Unless your an atheist, which is why I find it hard to believe that people can have a moral center without religion, but that's a debate for another thread). Even if both sides agree to breaking the "contract" it doesn't make voilating the terms ok.


I think that if you are free to enter a contract, you are free to "break" it if both parties agree. I also think you are free to terminate it too.

So whatever floats your boat, as long as both "spouses" are in the same boat.

Sorry...I no longer recognise that word in this thread. It's dead to me! Dead I say! Back to the sex damnit!

Right on!! Who else just got naked?!?!?!



Oh just me...again...

So whatever floats your boat, as long as both "spouses" are in the same boat.


And as long as you give "the man in the boat" enough attention, everyone will be happy.

I think that if you are free to enter a contract, you are free to "break" it if both parties agree. I also think you are free to terminate it too.

So whatever floats your boat, as long as both "spouses" are in the same boat.

Now tack on to that if it's not you (and your spouse), it's not your(and your spouse's) business and I think we have a final theory on how the world should be!

Naked time!

And as long as you give "the man in the boat" enough attention, everyone will be happy.


Wooooooohooooooooo!

Sorry...I no longer recognise that word in this thread. It's dead to me! Dead I say! Back to the sex damnit!

How did it get brought up, anyway? Who thinks about that while reading a sex-related thread? :p

Right on!! Who else just got naked?!?!?!

I'm always naked when posting on NS - actually, generally anytime i'm on the internet. Other people will deny they do it, but they LIE, damnit! On a somewhat related topic, I think I need a new deskchair.

And as long as you give "the man in the boat" enough attention, everyone will be happy.
And therein lies the secret to a successful marriage

How did it get brought up, anyway? Who thinks about that while reading a sex-related thread? :pLaerod! He just did it because he probably didn't have time to get all hot and heavy in this thread, and wanted to ruin it for the rest of us :p

I'm always naked when posting on NS. On a somewhat related topic, I think I need a new deskchair. I no longer wear skirts to work. A moist chair gives me away.

Laerod! He just did it because he probably didn't have time to get all hot and heavy in this thread, and wanted to ruin it for the rest of us :p

Or give him something to look forward to when he comes back :eek:

I no longer wear skirts to work. A moist chair gives me away.

Mwahahaha. Bring an especially bright beach towel with you to sit on. It's unusual enough that nobody will be able to piece together exactly what you're trying to do.

And the real question is...when are swinging NSers going to 'band together'? :D

I'm always naked when posting on NS - actually, generally anytime i'm on the internet. Other people will deny they do it, but they LIE, damnit! On a somewhat related topic, I think I need a new deskchair.

Whether your male or female...naked on the internet is always good, so long as you hav a towel handy...
;)

And the real question is...when are swinging NSers going to 'band together'? :D

Or more importantly, when are we all exchanging naked pics of ourselves?

Smunkee, I'm looking at you (just kidding ;) )

Whether your male or female...naked on the internet is always good, so long as you hav a towel handy...
;)

If it's too cold to be naked though, you can always make special "internet pants".

And therein lies the secret to a successful marriage

It goes both ways and works for us.

I've shared a girl with one of my friends when we were in our 20s. We still joke about the time "Jane Doe" was "on the rotisiree". I've also been with two redheadeds sister at the same time. I still have dreams about that.

I would never share my wife with another man. I have however, propositioned young lovely waitresses when we're out a dinner. Joking of course-"looking at my wife and saying "Can I take her home?". I'll say she isnt totally outraged. There may be a FFM in my still-married future. If there isnt, I'm still quite happily anyway. My wife gives me her all.

Not something I would do, and I personally consider it amoral, but to each his own.

And the real question is...when are swinging NSers going to 'band together'? :D

I doubt you're really ready for that, Sinuhue :p

It goes both ways and works for us.

I've shared a girl with one of my friends when we were in our 20s. We still joke about the time "Jane Doe" was "on the rotisiree". I've also been with two redheadeds sister at the same time. I still have dreams about that.

I would never share my wife with another man. I have however, propositioned young lovely waitresses when we're out a dinner. Joking of course-"looking at my wife and saying "Can I take her home?". I'll say she isnt totally outraged. There may be a FFM in my still-married future. If there isnt, I'm still quite happily anyway. My wife gives me her all.
Well that's the joy of it...in a healthy relationship, even if fantasies just STAY fantasies, life is good. The rest is just a bonus.

Just a question though...curious as to the insight into the 'male mind' (gross generalistion, I know, bear with me)...why would you not be willing to 'share' your wife with a man?

I doubt you're really ready for that, Sinuhue :p
No, no, I'm really not actually :D I just like sounding braver than I really am!

I consider it a little weird but whatever floats your boat, I guess. :rolleyes:

I would never share my wife with another man.

Jealousy, Insecurity? You're not alone. Most men feel like this. Which is why so many divorced women get into swinging. Invariably their ex's thought the idea of another woman was fine. But choked when the pendulum (pun intended) swung the other way. :)

Not to worry though. There are plenty of understanding and non insecure men out there willing to treat them right afterwards. Heck, that's where we get most of our action.

Gotta go soon, It's firday and we have a date. ;)

I consider it a little weird but whatever floats your boat, I guess. :rolleyes:
If you were actually from Canada you'd have said canoe :p

If you were actually from Canada you'd have said canoe :p
Darn it, I should have. I don't hear the canoe one very often. Heard it a couple of times on Air Farce.

If you were actually from Canada you'd have said canoe :p
we have other ways of getting around other than canoes, try boat

i dont have a problem with it, its totally up to them, just wondering how the hell you would pop that question to the wife.... :confused:

i dont have a problem with it, its totally up to them, just wondering how the hell you would pop that question to the wife.... :confused:

Or how the wife might pop it to the husband, surely? :p

Or how the wife might pop it to the husband, surely? :p
Yeah, I read an article on the swinging lifestyle. It's usually the women who pop the question.

well it would be easier for her, she offers it and the guys like "you say sex? we go, we go, i drive"

we have other ways of getting around other than canoes, try boat
Exactly what I would expect a fake Canadian to say:).

My favourite faux pas..."Wow hon, look at that lake! I'd love to put my canoe in that water!"

Darn it, I should have. I don't hear the canoe one very often. Heard it a couple of times on Air Farce.
No prob...my dad is a pain...he doesn't channel 'surf'...he canoes:). Says if he doesn't live in Tofino, he can't rightly claim to surf.

Wow...this conversation went from super sexy nakedness to Canadian canoe talk far too quickly!

:)

No prob...my dad is a pain...he doesn't channel 'surf'...he canoes:). Says if he doesn't live in Tofino, he can't rightly claim to surf.
Well.. I'm European-born but lived 19 out of my 20 years on this planet in Canada, so I qualify as a Canadian I suppose.

Yeah, I read an article on the swinging lifestyle. It's usually the women who pop the question.
I my experience it wasn't a 'question' it was a long serious of discussions, opening up about our fantasies, and trying to get around our sexual shyness. We were pleasantly surprise to find out we fantasised about the same things...how silly if we'd never broached the subject, and never found out it was possible!

Now it's just the logistics of the thing...

Wow...this conversation went from super sexy nakedness to Canadian canoe talk far too quickly!

:)
The best part is super sexy nakedness IN a canoe!

Wow...this conversation went from super sexy nakedness to Canadian canoe talk far too quickly!

:)
I guess you didn't get that canoe != canoe...........we also like to call it Beaver:p

Not something I would do, and I personally consider it amoral, but to each his own.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. :D

Well.. I'm European-born but lived 19 out of my 20 years on this planet in Canada, so I qualify as a Canadian I suppose.
You're an immigrant...outside of my people, that is the DEFINITION of Canadian!

Well that's the joy of it...in a healthy relationship, even if fantasies just STAY fantasies, life is good. The rest is just a bonus.

Just a question though...curious as to the insight into the 'male mind' (gross generalistion, I know, bear with me)...why would you not be willing to 'share' your wife with a man?

Maybe the hunter killer instinct-I dont know why, exactly. It will just never happen.

fake Canadian dont make me whoop you with a tuna, or call in the canadian millitary, cause i know both those guys really well :p

You're an immigrant...outside of my people, that is the DEFINITION of Canadian!
I have a Native friend, uh.. Iroquois I think.

Jealousy, Insecurity? You're not alone. Most men feel like this. Which is why so many divorced women get into swinging. Invariably their ex's thought the idea of another woman was fine. But choked when the pendulum (pun intended) swung the other way. :)

Not to worry though. There are plenty of understanding and non insecure men out there willing to treat them right afterwards. Heck, that's where we get most of our action.

Gotta go soon, It's firday and we have a date. ;)


I know what you're saying- Not insecurity, more likely jealousy. Primal jealousy.

Maybe the hunter killer instinct-I dont know why, exactly. It will just never happen.
Well, that's fine. Just wondering.

I know what you're saying- Not insecurity, more likely jealousy. Primal jealousy.
Well, I balked on the MWW thing for a long time because it pissed me off that that was 'okay' but MWM was never to be. Now that I've found out that isn't really a sticking point, it's all good!

There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, so long as everyone's willing and comfortable with it/each other. I tend to believe people ought to stay out of one another's sex lives, unless invited.

Not something I would do, and I personally consider it amoral, but to each his own.

Amoral? You think it is neither moral nor immoral? You think it is an action to which morals do not apply?

Or did you mean immoral?

(Sorry, I see these two misused all the time, so I had to point it out).

I guess you didn't get that canoe != canoe...........we also like to call it Beaver:p

I know...but then you said "my dad" which != sexy.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

Have you? Why are you not still living in my area?

Smunkee, I'm looking at you (just kidding ;) )
really? which would bother you more.... if I do have a naked picture of myself in electronic form or if I have never had a naked picture of myself taken?

I know...but then you said "my dad" which != sexy. Well that was just a whole different use of canoe...sheesh! Catch up!

Canoe = a boat
Canoe = also known as a beaver
Canoing = The Canadian version of channel surfing

There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, so long as everyone's willing and comfortable with it/each other. I tend to believe people ought to stay out of one another's sex lives, unless invited.
Yours is in the mail:).

Amoral? You think it is neither moral nor immoral? You think it is an action to which morals do not apply?

Or did you mean immoral?

(Sorry, I see these two misused all the time, so I had to point it out).
And I'm the one who usually picks up on that..doh!

really? which would bother you more.... if I do have a naked picture of myself in electronic form or if I have never had a naked picture of myself taken?
If you haven't...don't feel bad...because neither have I. Nor have I every been filmed doing naughty things. Nor will I ever be!

I know...but then you said "my dad" which != sexy.



Have you? Why are you not still living in my area?


Yep. Not swapping, but WMM.

My policy is that if you don't like it don't do it, but you shouldn't infringe on the rights of others when it comes to personal preference, such as this, or being gay.

really? which would bother you more.... if I do have a naked picture of myself in electronic form or if I have never had a naked picture of myself taken?

Having a naked pic of yourself would surprise me...in e-form, shock me...that you would share it...possibly shock me to death...

Never to have taken one...not a surprise at all. ;)

Yep. Not swapping, but WMM.
I think people are getting confused by the swapping word.

Having a naked pic of yourself would surprise me...in e-form, shock me...that you would share it...possibly shock me to death...

Never to have taken one...not a surprise at all. ;)You noticed she didn't actually deny having one, and having it in electronic format... (I'll take a peek Smunkee!!!)

Yep. Not swapping, but WMM.

Aren't you the lucky one. And you didn't have to go WWM in return?

(I should stop asking thes questions for mine tent iseth being pitched...)

You noticed she didn't actually deny having one, and having it in electronic format... (I'll take a peak Smunkee!!!)

I have a feeling she won't give me a peek (note my spelling Sinuhue) ;)

I have a feeling she won't give me a peek (note my spelling Sinuhue) ;)
I don't know what's WITH me lately! My spelling is getting worse and werse and wurs...

Aren't you the lucky one. And you didn't have to go WWM in return?

(I should stop asking thes questions for mine tent iseth being pitched...)


Nope! But, neither of the "gentlemen" were my boyfriend or spouse.

(I should stop asking thes questions for mine tent iseth being pitched...)Oh yeah spelling guru??

Nope! But, neither of the "gentlemen" were my boyfriend or spouse.
(deliberately misunderstanding) Wait...you have a boyfriend AND a spouse? AND gentlemen? Can I be you? :D

I think people are getting confused by the swapping word.


No, I specified that I haven't swapped; I just wanted to answer my own damn question. LOL

Nope! But, neither of the "gentlemen" were my boyfriend or spouse.

Neither one of them was me either...

:(

No, I specified that I haven't swapped; I just wanted to answer my own damn question. LOL
No, I meant I'm getting confused by the swapping question too...a MWM, or MWW or whatever is not swapping, right? Swapping would be like a solo trip to cheating land with a get-out-of-jail-free card from your significant other?

Oh yeah spelling guru??

(Opens mouth, inserts foot)...

The "thes" I take credit for...the "mine iseth" was poetically creative!! :)

Let's play strip spelling...

wait...I'm clothesless...I've either won, or lost...I'm not sure yet.

No, I meant I'm getting confused by the swapping question too...a MWM, or MWW or whatever is not swapping, right? Swapping would be like a solo trip to cheating land with a get-out-of-jail-free card from your significant other?

yeah, that's it........

If you haven't...don't feel bad...because neither have I. Nor have I every been filmed doing naughty things. Nor will I ever be!

I've actually considered having black and white nudes taken, to keep just for me and my partner. My big problem is: Who do I get to take them?! I would want it to be someone professional, because I want them to look good, but I also am not comfortable being naked in front of random people. Bleh.

I think people are getting confused by the swapping word.

The way I understand it, some swingers literally swap. They don't all have fun together or bring a third person in. They actually swap spouses to go to different places for sex.

No, I meant I'm getting confused by the swapping question too...a MWM, or MWW or whatever is not swapping, right? Swapping would be like a solo trip to cheating land with a get-out-of-jail-free card from your significant other?

but jail sex is hot...not MM jail sex though...but I saw caged heat...that was hot...

(Opens mouth, inserts foot)...

The "thes" I take credit for...the "mine iseth" was poetically creative!! :) I'll accept that. Were it not for the 'thes' I'd have no leg to stand on. I'd be legless.

(deliberately misunderstanding) Wait...you have a boyfriend AND a spouse? AND gentlemen? Can I be you? :D


Now there's an idea! I wonder if I can get my hubby to let me have a boyfriend and gentlemen? Sounds like fun.

At the time I was newly single. Got me over my breakup blues right quick.

I'll accept that. Were it not for the 'thes' I'd have no leg to stand on. I'd be legless.

Amputee sex is an issue I'd rather not delve into...

I've actually considered having black and white nudes taken, to keep just for me and my partner. My big problem is: Who do I get to take them?! I would want it to be someone professional, because I want them to look good, but I also am not comfortable being naked in front of random people. Bleh.A friend of mine wanted black and white nude portraits. She phoned professional photographers and asked if they did that. Most don't. She found one, looked at his portfolio, liked his style, and asked for something similar to her favourite pictures. I went with her, because she was a bit nervous. It was really pretty relaxed, and the pictures are very tasteful and beautiful. I just couldn't afford it back then, and now I'm too self-conscious about my post-baby belly:(.

The way I understand it, some swingers literally swap. They don't all have fun together or bring a third person in. They actually swap spouses to go to different places for sex.
I wouldn't be okay with that. I'd be okay with polygamy...living with a few people I also happened to sleep with...but I would be more intimate with those people on an emotional level. And since that isn't going to happen, it's just going to be folks I have no emotional attachment to, having fun with us.

Whoa! How did a topic this hot slip so fast??

hmm...Smunkee never replied about those pics (or non-pics for that matter)...hmmm...

hmm...Smunkee never replied about those pics (or non-pics for that matter)...hmmm...
She's busy printing out copies? *hoping against hope*

Whoa! How did a topic this hot slip so fast??

It's probably me...

Anyway...so...who's naked?

I would find my wife having sex with another woman totally sexy, I just don't think she would like me fooling around with a guy pleasurable. She never mentioned the MWM thing though. Maybe I should find out her feeling on that.

She's busy printing out copies? *hoping against hope*

Keep hoping...lol

I'd provide if she did...

It's probably me...

Anyway...so...who's naked?

I would find my wife having sex with another woman totally sexy, I just don't think she would like me fooling around with a guy pleasurable. She never mentioned the MWM thing though. Maybe I should find out her feeling on that.
Well yeah...having another guy there doesn't mean YOU have to do anything with him...

Uhm....no. I take very seriously the vows taken at marriage. Vows made not only to your spouse, but to God (Unless your an atheist, which is why I find it hard to believe that people can have a moral center without religion, but that's a debate for another thread). Even if both sides agree to breaking the "contract" it doesn't make voilating the terms ok.

Oh dear. Want some firewood so you can burn some witches?

Well yeah...having another guy there doesn't mean YOU have to do anything with him...

But if we go by the rules that i can't touch the other girl in a WMW situation, then I assume the rules must be the same. Still, she's never brought it up and I don't think my situation will happen either...such is life...

But if we go by the rules that i can't touch the other girl in a WMW situation, then I assume the rules must be the same. Still, she's never brought it up and I don't think my situation will happen either...such is life...
Ah. Yes, I suppose it depends on your rules. I don't include a stipulation that my husband can't touch the other woman...though the one time we've actually done this so far, he was content to watch anyway. With a very dazed expression on his face:). It's kind of the best of both worlds for me really...I like men and women, and get to play with both. He's more limited, but that's just his preference!

Ah. Yes, I suppose it depends on your rules. I don't include a stipulation that my husband can't touch the other woman...though the one time we've actually done this so far, he was content to watch anyway. With a very dazed expression on his face:). It's kind of the best of both worlds for me really...I like men and women, and get to play with both. He's more limited, but that's just his preference!

I will likely never have any experience aside from the usual 1 on 1 and occasional cyber sex... :(

Oh dear. Want some firewood so you can burn some witches?

Now that was really entirely uncalled for.

I will likely never have any experience aside from the usual 1 on 1 and occasional cyber sex... :(
Ah well. It's not the end all be all of life anyway:).

Now that was really entirely uncalled for. It was indeed. Witch-burning is a serious sport and a fine European tradition.

Ah well. It's not the end all be all of life anyway:).


i thought you left? :P

and as far as the question goes, i'm up for not caring what other ppl do. I wouldn't mind a threesome, and my g/f says the same, but we're speaking of two different types here :p

i thought you left? :P Me too!

and as far as the question goes, i'm up for not caring what other ppl do. I wouldn't mind a threesome, and my g/f says the same, but we're speaking of two different types here :p
As in you want one type and she wants another?

Me too!


As in you want one type and she wants another?

yah, but we don't want the other's type :p so the point is moot, and if i marry her, we'll never have a threesome ;)

Damn. How many times are you going to bite me in the ass with that one? :p
hahaha

You're referring to the German one? If the predated side is ok with it (and mentally stable!) I'd say bon appetit
Um. No. I suppose you're one of those crazy libertarians. I think that murder should be illegal.

I'm just amazed at how many people actually do this...the more we look into it and plan, the more we realise that there is this whole other world out there that plenty of people are already quite familiar with...and here we thought we were unique :p
Yah, man, it's just like smokin' dope.

Do you think it is OK for people to "swing" or "wife swap" or as the French currently say, "exchange" partners?
Your vows are to your spouse, and if the two of you decide you'd like to have a non-manogamous union then that's between the two of you. However, I strongly dislike the term "wife-swapping" because it sounds like two guys trading toys or something...like loaning your bud your car. It makes it sound like the wives are being exchanged, carrying the connotation that they will be "used" by the males in the picture. I would be quite open to having a non-monogamous marriage (if my partner was okay with it), but anybody who calls it "wife-swapping" isn't getting any from me...ever.

Yah, man, it's just like smokin' dope.
Na...almost everyone I know does that anyway:).

Your vows are to your spouse, and if the two of you decide you'd like to have a non-manogamous union then that's between the two of you. However, I strongly dislike the term "wife-swapping" because it sounds like two guys trading toys or something...like loaning your bud your car. It makes it sound like the wives are being exchanged, carrying the connotation that they will be "used" by the males in the picture. I would be quite open to having a non-monogamous marriage (if my partner was okay with it), but anybody who calls it "wife-swapping" isn't getting any from me...ever.
Yeah, that bugged me too...

Your vows are to your spouse, and if the two of you decide you'd like to have a non-manogamous union then that's between the two of you. However, I strongly dislike the term "wife-swapping" because it sounds like two guys trading toys or something...like loaning your bud your car. It makes it sound like the wives are being exchanged, carrying the connotation that they will be "used" by the males in the picture. I would be quite open to having a non-monogamous marriage (if my partner was okay with it), but anybody who calls it "wife-swapping" isn't getting any from me...ever.

What about "spouse-swapping?" or "partner-switching"?

Anyway, my opinion on this is that there's nothing really wrong with it. I don't know if I would do it. If I was married and my wife suggested it, I'd probably be ok with it. Condoms would be a must, though.

Also, as far as threesomes go, same deal. My wife would have to suggest it. I wouldn't have a problem with her wanting a MWM threesome, really.

My wife and I have had this conversation, and while she's open minded about the whole thing, I dunno if she ever will. I wouldn't even mind if she wanted to bring a guy home, as long as I got to watch, and she knows this. I would think most women would jump at the chance of a MWM. I wouldn't even ask for a WWM, as long as I didn't have to touch the guy.

Having a naked pic of yourself would surprise me...in e-form, shock me...that you would share it...possibly shock me to death...

Never to have taken one...not a surprise at all. ;)
good to know... in case you ever make me really mad...... :cool:

I'll accept that. Were it not for the 'thes' I'd have no leg to stand on. I'd be legless.

Drunkard!

Do you think it is OK for people to "swing" or "wife swap" or as the French currently say, "exchange" partners?
( shrug ) Different strokes for different folks. I personally don't think it helps relationships in the least, but ... meh.

Ah. Yes, I suppose it depends on your rules. I don't include a stipulation that my husband can't touch the other woman...though the one time we've actually done this so far, he was content to watch anyway. With a very dazed expression on his face:). It's kind of the best of both worlds for me really...I like men and women, and get to play with both. He's more limited, but that's just his preference!
I love you! :D

Goggle "Polyamory." :D

you know, my future husband (2 weeks and counting :) ) and I talked about this sort of thing a long time ago--- when we were first together, his fantasy was a three some (two girls and him). i told him fine, i would do it for him- i had no great desire to do it. one time, well...let's say there was another person "watching us"

now, though, things are different. we have very good friends who swing and who have asked us to come to a "party" with them. we talked about it and its a no go for us. i know that i would have a hard time knowing that my husband is sleeping with someone else and he could not be able to handle me being with another guy. That, and i have no desire whatsoever to be with another guy. Call is possesive, call it jealously, call it love. I am his, e is mine, no one elses. to me, swinging just puts the sex back on the level of sex, and, we are past that. Its weird, but we are at the point where the sex is no longer just sex, its more than that. If other people want to do it, fine, but its not for everyone. :fluffle:

Your vows are to your spouse, and if the two of you decide you'd like to have a non-manogamous union then that's between the two of you. However, I strongly dislike the term "wife-swapping" because it sounds like two guys trading toys or something...like loaning your bud your car. It makes it sound like the wives are being exchanged, carrying the connotation that they will be "used" by the males in the picture. I would be quite open to having a non-monogamous marriage (if my partner was okay with it), but anybody who calls it "wife-swapping" isn't getting any from me...ever.

That's why I provided at least three terms (which doesn't even begin to cover the variations or objections).

My wife prefers to be called a "hotwife".

good to know... in case you ever make me really mad...... :cool:

Let me get this straight...if you get mad at me, you'll send me naked pics of yourself?

How can I anger you?

now, though, things are different. we have very good friends who swing and who have asked us to come to a "party" with them. we talked about it and its a no go for us. i know that i would have a hard time knowing that my husband is sleeping with someone else and he could not be able to handle me being with another guy. That, and i have no desire whatsoever to be with another guy. Call is possesive, call it jealously, call it love. I am his, e is mine, no one elses. to me, swinging just puts the sex back on the level of sex, and, we are past that. Its weird, but we are at the point where the sex is no longer just sex, its more than that. If other people want to do it, fine, but its not for everyone. :fluffle:

This brings up an interesting point. Sex is always different at the beginning of a relationship. I wonder how many people who do the threesome thing (yet another weekend goes by and I am not in that group) or swing (not in that group either) who start doing it early on in the relationship and therefore it becomes a part of their sexual routine so to speak.

I mean, if you start swinging early in the development of your sexual habits in a relationship, doesn't just become "normal"?

Same thing, what happens between consenting (and adult) parties is no one elses interest.

Same thing, what happens between consenting (and adult) parties is no one elses interest.

I agree. I don't care what individuals do, though I am interested in the phenomena as an entity.

I agree. I don't care what individuals do, though I am interested in the phenomena as an entity.

Balipo, if you have questions, I have answers.

Balipo, if you have questions, I have answers.

Well...basically my question was:

If you start having threesomes and/or swinging at the outset of a relationship when you are developing your "sexual stride", so to speak, then it isn't really just a normal part of the relationship?

I think that problems would come if, after years, swinging or a threesome are introduced.

Hmm...other questions...what are you wearing? what do you look like naked? got any nakes pics you're willing to share? (just kidding...but you said you'd have answers :) )

Well...basically my question was:

If you start having threesomes and/or swinging at the outset of a relationship when you are developing your "sexual stride", so to speak, then it isn't really just a normal part of the relationship?

I think that problems would come if, after years, swinging or a threesome are introduced.

Hmm...other questions...what are you wearing? what do you look like naked? got any nakes pics you're willing to share? (just kidding...but you said you'd have answers :) )


It does become a "normal" part of the relationship over time. However, since the other people involved change slowly over time, there is renewed excitement.

My wife and I change around what we do as well. Sometimes it's just another man joining in, sometimes another couple, sometimes a mix of men and women. We tend to view these as "parties" - a social event that we hold at our house on Friday or Saturday nights.

In a world where people might hold a party where the invitees come over and talk and socialize and dance, we do the same, except that we add sex.

After a while, we're all naked. Yes, we have naked pics on our blog, but I can't post the URL here.

It does become a "normal" part of the relationship over time. However, since the other people involved change slowly over time, there is renewed excitement.

My wife and I change around what we do as well. Sometimes it's just another man joining in, sometimes another couple, sometimes a mix of men and women. We tend to view these as "parties" - a social event that we hold at our house on Friday or Saturday nights.

In a world where people might hold a party where the invitees come over and talk and socialize and dance, we do the same, except that we add sex.

After a while, we're all naked. Yes, we have naked pics on our blog, but I can't post the URL here.

Okay...since you offered to let me fire away...

What happens in a swinging situation if someone's wife becomes pregnant? Is there certainty as to the father? Does this create a rift?

I understand about posting the URL, it isn't necessary (but since I'm becoming a blog addict (oddly without my own) feel free to telegram it to me).

And as far as parties...who the hell dances at those things? ;) I for one would be more likely (much to my wife's dismay) to strip at a party than dance.

Okay...since you offered to let me fire away...

What happens in a swinging situation if someone's wife becomes pregnant? Is there certainty as to the father? Does this create a rift?

I understand about posting the URL, it isn't necessary (but since I'm becoming a blog addict (oddly without my own) feel free to telegram it to me).

And as far as parties...who the hell dances at those things? ;) I for one would be more likely (much to my wife's dismay) to strip at a party than dance.

I don't know what other people do about pregnancy. In our case, I had a vasectomy at the end of my previous marriage, and she had a tubal ligation at the end of her previous marriage. I cannot make anyone pregnant (it's impossible, and it's been confirmed that I shoot blanks). She cannot get pregnant. So we have that covered, as far as we're concerned.

Some people like to dance. We had fun this summer. We had a large cookout on the back deck, and we all ate dinner (clothed) and had a few drinks and danced until it got dark. Then we all went inside and had sex.

It was a very, very fun time.

I agree. I don't care what individuals do, though I am interested in the phenomena as an entity.

I think it´s a function of the human brain to think about possibilities...and nowadays people have the chance not only to think but to actually do...without fear of punishment, social disgrace etc.

I don't know what other people do about pregnancy. In our case, I had a vasectomy at the end of my previous marriage, and she had a tubal ligation at the end of her previous marriage. I cannot make anyone pregnant (it's impossible, and it's been confirmed that I shoot blanks). She cannot get pregnant. So we have that covered, as far as we're concerned.

Some people like to dance. We had fun this summer. We had a large cookout on the back deck, and we all ate dinner (clothed) and had a few drinks and danced until it got dark. Then we all went inside and had sex.

It was a very, very fun time.


That all seems on the up and up...except for the dancing. Even after a few drinks I am more likely to sing karaoke than to dance. I'm not a dancer. That's why I learned an instrument.

And I understand about the zilch possibility. I too have been "snipped". Of course, I was in an accident when I was 19 and my vas deferens was crushed (I also lost my spleen and part of my pancreas). I only had a 2% chance of ever having kids. Of course I married a woman who goes beyond the odds. So after 2 beautiful and loved "oopies" I had the vasectomy.

The moral here...never marry a woman whose nickname is fertile myrtle.

Let me get this straight...if you get mad at me, you'll send me naked pics of yourself?

How can I anger you?
not gonna tell...... :D

I am in a loving relationship and I would be devastated to think that he wanted to have sex with someone else, as I know he would be if I wanted to have sex with someone else. I am very much in love and enjoy being loved and cherished by him and I hope he enjoys what I give him. I have no desire to share my bed with anyone other than him. In the long term, It would tear me appart.

But this is my personal feeling, and if other people are happy to do this then its up to them, but I think that in many cases its one partner who is much more keen and the other partner goes along in the hope of keeping a relationship together. In the end, why be in a relationship with someone who feels so little for you they are happy for you to give yourself to others.

But thats just my personal feelings, if others are REALLY HONESTLY happy and comfortable with it, then thats fine by me too.

:)

I've read that for AIDS transmission, if you are the recipient of anal sex, and the person is not wearing a condom, AND the person is HIV-positive, the chance of transmission is 1 in 4 per sex act.

Put a condom on, and that becomes about 1 in 400 per sex act - still dangerous. And the CDC only counts condom usages as "perfect". In their definition, "perfect" means it doesn't slip AT ALL. Not to mention break, tear, leak, etc.

For women who are engaged in vaginal sex, where the male is positive, her chance of transmission is about 1 in 16,000 and that's if there is no condom.

Oral transmission is even lower.

So, at least for AIDS, you can lower your risk not only by choosing a condom, but by choosing your partner carefully, and avoiding certain types of behavior.

If the behavior - transmission relationship were not so strong, there would be just as many heterosexuals (by proportion) infected with HIV as other subpopulations. The reason the CDC believes that it spread so rapidly in Africa is that anal sex is popular there as a method of birth control.


The other thing about the rapid spread of AIDS in Africa is that normally, in most African societies women are married far too young. Pretty much as soon as they hit puberty, and they simply are not as capable of resisting disease for a number of physiologic reasons, layers of skin in the genitals being thinner in younger females, 3 layers of skin cells vs 16, incidentally without circumcision of males you have the same difference, an uncircumcised male has only 3 layers of skin and a circumcised male has 16 so an uncircumcised male needs to be more careful about disease generally.
The other factor that should be looked at more closely is the more extreme forms of female circumcision. Some of these theoretically render females more vulnerable, although the resulting disinclination for sex might make such women less vulnerable.
The real bad thing about anal intercourse is that it doesn't even really eliminate the risk of pregnancy, just makes the likeliehood of AIDS greater.
Infidelity in marriage brings diseases into a marriage, it brings chaos into society and is plain rude.

not gonna tell...... :D

See what I mean...cute...you are a cutie...no avoiding it...

I bet Sinuhue is just as dissappointed as I that you aren't a sharer...

That all seems on the up and up...except for the dancing. Even after a few drinks I am more likely to sing karaoke than to dance. I'm not a dancer. That's why I learned an instrument.

And I understand about the zilch possibility. I too have been "snipped". Of course, I was in an accident when I was 19 and my vas deferens was crushed (I also lost my spleen and part of my pancreas). I only had a 2% chance of ever having kids. Of course I married a woman who goes beyond the odds. So after 2 beautiful and loved "oopies" I had the vasectomy.

The moral here...never marry a woman whose nickname is fertile myrtle.
That's a very, very touching story, and I know you love those little people beyond any hope of redemption. :)

That's a very, very touching story, and I know you love those little people beyond any hope of redemption. :)

Are you kidding me? Not only are they the reason for pretty much EVERYTHING I do, but they are the hidden source of entertainment that I never foresaw. I don't think I have kids, I have a troupe of comedians.

Anytime you can come home to, "Hey Dad, guess what? You're a chicken leg!" and giggles...my day is complete...

But enough family goodness...on with the group naughtiness...

This brings up an interesting point. Sex is always different at the beginning of a relationship. I wonder how many people who do the threesome thing (yet another weekend goes by and I am not in that group) or swing (not in that group either) who start doing it early on in the relationship and therefore it becomes a part of their sexual routine so to speak.

I mean, if you start swinging early in the development of your sexual habits in a relationship, doesn't just become "normal"?
Most of the couples I know that swing have been together for about 10 years...or have been married before and are starting out like that. I've seen people try to have an open relationship when they've just been a year of two in...and it rarely works. They haven't really become comfortable enough with one another...confident enough to do it without causing serious problems. My husband and I have been through all that...cheating, reconciliation, shyness, awkwardness, figuring out what we like, and how to please one another...now it's just a case of this is something we've both fantasised about, are comfortable with, and mature enough in our relationship to handle it. Were these things not true, we wouldn't do it.

Sierra's blog has given me some good tips as to how to really get 'started'. It's going to have to be more planned out on our part, because we're going to have to go into the city (I'd rather not be doing that with folks from town...I don't want to be run out for 'perversion'), get a hotel room and all that. It's going to be terribly nerve-wracking and awkward I think the first time...I wish I could somehow skip that and move directly into the comfort zone! I wonder if I could make this an anniversary present....

Sierra's blog has given me some good tips as to how to really get 'started'. It's going to have to be more planned out on our part, because we're going to have to go into the city (I'd rather not be doing that with folks from town...I don't want to be run out for 'perversion'), get a hotel room and all that. It's going to be terribly nerve-wracking and awkward I think the first time...I wish I could somehow skip that and move directly into the comfort zone! I wonder if I could make this an anniversary present....

You could always come down and visit us, Sinuhue.

You could always come down and visit us, Sinuhue.
Now THAT would be an interesting vacation! *why am I blushing?*

Why am I always left out...it's cause I'm american isn't it?

Why am I always left out...it's cause I'm american isn't it?

Balipo, you just have to telegram me, and we'll get you started on The Process.

Balipo, you just have to telegram me, and we'll get you started on The Process.

I don't know how my wife would feel about that.

Actually, I do, she wouldn't like it. But the offer is tempting and I will file it away for a time if ever I am "no longer attached" or she changes her mind...and we're anywhere near where you are.

i personally put no, its wrong to me, i would never do it, but im not going to stop other people from doing it. i still see it as cheating even if the wife said it was ok, but thats just me, if you want to do it, do it in the privacy of your own homes or whatever.

Right on!! Who else just got naked?!?!?!



Oh just me...again...

:D

Who gives a shit what consenting adults do with their genitals?
Why the fuck would it be our business, anyways?

:D

At least it's not just me...
:)

Now that was really entirely uncalled for.

I was thinking the exact same thing

Now THAT would be an interesting vacation! *why am I blushing?*

You? blush?

I'm surprised that such a "hot and steamy" thread died out so quickly. Apparently we are an ADD society, even in regard to sex.

No its sick and unnatural.

It thinks you're sick and unnatural. :D

I doubt I'd ever do it, actually, just because I think me and my ladyfriend would be uncomfortable with it, but I have no moral issues with swinging or threesomes, as long as there's no deception involved and everybody is careful.