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...and the reasoning for your choice.

POLL COMING

How far back is modern?

See the poll. :)

Having seen this and the US presidents poll this is all i gotta say:

2 party systems suck.
(And yes, i know Britain isn't offically 2 party but it might as well be with FPTP)

Thatcher.

1) First woman British PM.
2) Falklands.
3) Made a reference to Monty Python's "Dead Parrot Sketch" in one of her speeches.

Flawless victory.

Can we dispense with any petence of real concern, and attack Blair for a little please?

Thatcher.

1) First woman British PM.
2) Falklands.
3) Made a reference to Monty Python's "Dead Parrot Sketch" in one of her speeches.

Flawless victory.

I loathed that woman with a deep and deadly..errr...loathing. But looking at that list (since you have to discount the Churchill war years-why is that?), you're probably right. Curse her. :gundge:

I loathed that woman with a deep and deadly..errr...loathing. But looking at that list (since you have to discount the Churchill war years-why is that?), you're probably right. Curse her. :gundge:

She'll be dead soon, like Reagan, and dancing on both their graves will be made possible.

She'll be dead soon, like Reagan, and dancing on both their graves will be made possible.
It would be even better if it were made mandatory.

It would be even better if it were made mandatory.

Think of the poor "crackaz" who can't dance. No, it's best left optional. Encouraged, but optional.

Think of the poor "crackaz" who can't dance. No, it's best left optional. Encouraged, but optional.
Fair point.

Thatcher.
...
2) Falklands.

Hardly an achievement: a popularity-boosting happenstance that she was lucky enough to experience during her tenure.


Think of the poor "crackaz" who can't dance. No, it's best left optional. Encouraged, but optional.

These are the people for whom folk dancing exists.

As Aristotle said, the proof of the virtue of a person is in the offspring they bring up.

And Mark Thatcher is a devious, cowardly, selfish and above all morally bankrupt twat.

I know there can only be 10 but you should certainly have included Clement Attlee instead of someone like Alec Douglas-Home who only ruled for 1 year. I believe Clement Attlee was probably Britain's best Prime Minister as he established the NHS and the modern welfare state but out of those listed I would pick Harold Wilson as he followed true socialist policies, re-nationalising the steel industry and continuing to build up public services.

Thatcher.

1) First woman British PM.
big woop.


2) Falklands.
evil engineered and pointless war for shameless political gain

3) Made a reference to Monty Python's "Dead Parrot Sketch" in one of her speeches.
says nothing about her leadership.



in my mind she was a thorougly evil woman.
so i vote either Blair or Wilson (tho i'm not too sure about the latter, and i'm not too happy voting for the former... best of a bad bunch tho)

She'll be dead soon, like Reagan, and dancing on both their graves will be made possible.
heh reminds me of that great "what song shall i sing while i'm dancing on Thatcher's grave?" thread :p

now there's a thread title that really grabs you by the booboo

I would of voted for Blair prior to the Iraq war.... now I can't think of a single one worth my vote. Maybe Churchill, but you said not WWII years.

heh reminds me of that great "what song shall i sing while i'm dancing on Thatcher's grave?" thread :p

now there's a thread title that really grabs you by the booboo

The "booboo"? Have you been watching something with Jay and Silent Bob?

The "booboo"? Have you been watching something with Jay and Silent Bob?
nope, Cheech & Chong :D

"really grabs you by the booboo, don't it?" (Chong referring to a toilet-roll sized spliff :P )

Where's the "they all fucked up the country" option?

Jim Hacker, by a mile.

Jim Hacker, by a mile.

Better than Tony, at least the people who pulled Jim's strings lived in the same country ;)

Blair. He actually managed to reverse quite a lot of the damage done to the British economy by the Conservatives in the 18 years before he took power. Now he's brought us new problems, but at least our economy's doing well. Ahead of the Eurozone average growth every year since the Euro was introduced.

nope, Cheech & Chong :D

"really grabs you by the booboo, don't it?" (Chong referring to a toilet-roll sized spliff :P )

Well, as long as it isn't something inane. :p

Thatcher.

1) First woman British PM.
2) Falklands.
3) Made a reference to Monty Python's "Dead Parrot Sketch" in one of her speeches.

Flawless victory.

Although her plans for council taxation were slightly less popular than country walks through no man's land...

Blair. He actually managed to reverse quite a lot of the damage done to the British economy by the Conservatives in the 18 years before he took power. Now he's brought us new problems, but at least our economy's doing well. Ahead of the Eurozone average growth every year since the Euro was introduced.

True - if he hadn't gotten us involved in Iraq I reckon he'd have made a very good prime minister.

None of them were great (apart from Churchill, but only in the war years).

It's like saying, which was the greatest band - The Monkeys or Slade?

It's like saying, which was the greatest band - The Monkeys or Slade?

Girls on bus: "Eww the Monkees!?! They don't even write their own music, plus they don't even play any of their own instruments!"
Marge: "It's not true! It's not true! It's not true!"

Being 15, i know about the followiung:

Blair - he vigorously inhales gluteus maximus
Churchill - he had war to make him look good. so i refuse to vote him
Thatcher - first woman - so what? falklands? should've been theirs! she was a crabby old hag with a mouth like a dog's ass sucking lemons.

so, i can't vote

we have a 2-party system, and at the moment, we've got a great tory leadership.

i say this - labour is being crap. tories crapped it up last time.

i say we declare martial law and execute all those with an ASBO and/or an IQ below 150.

easy way to have a well-run country!

i say we declare martial law and execute all those with an ASBO and/or an IQ below 150.

That wouldn't be fair to you, since you'd no longer get to be around.

That wouldn't be fair to you, since you'd no longer get to be around.
Haha.

Wasted my first post on that.

Wilson

Well, if you consider that the modern age officially began with the use of gunpowder by the Turks during the siege of Byzantium, then the title of best “modern” prime minister is a three-way tie between Greenville, Townsend and North. Without their collective foolishness and arrogance, the American Revolutionary War would have never been fought and I wouldn’t be living in the greatest nation on earth. :D

Why not ww2 years ? Churchill was one of the greatest world figures EVER .. ;) his greatest moments were in WW2 . Where would Britain be without him ? Would there even BE a Britain ? :D

Thatcher

Margaret Thatcher. As far as I'm concerned, she is a living goddess.

As an American I can appreciate the fact that 'ol Maggie had big balls but a " goddess " ? :eek: Ummm not what I think when I picture her . If I neede someone to take my back in a brawl yes , ummm " goddess ....ummm no not quite .
Can you brits just explain a little why Marge is held in such high esteem ? Aside from " she kicked ass " of course . Thats a given .

I'll choose Hugh Grant in "Love actually" because of the way he treated the american president.. ;)

Why not ww2 years ? Churchill was one of the greatest world figures EVER .. ;) his greatest moments were in WW2 . Where would Britain be without him ? Would there even BE a Britain ? :D


Yah, I gotta wonder why as well.
If youre asking for the greatest Prime Minister, I fail to see how he wouldnt top the list.

You missed out the best one, Artillee.

Can we dispense with any petence of real concern, and attack Blair for a little please?
Please do.

Where's a "they're all politicians and therefore equally evil" option?

Yah, I gotta wonder why as well.
If youre asking for the greatest Prime Minister, I fail to see how he wouldnt top the list.
What about good old David Lloyd-George? Or Herbert Asquith? The former was PM when WWI finished and both were in favour of womens right to vote.

Mind you I do have to agree with the Churchill being in the top five. Started as a journalist in the Boar War. In 1900 he became a Tory MP and in the Liberal Landslide of 1906 he crossed the floor and became a Liberal MP. In 1908 when he was appointed to the Board of Trade he helped get through some of the social legislation that allowed for certain set wages. In 1910 he became Home Secretary. He became First Lord of the Admirality the following year and soon set up the RNAS, one of the two fore-runners to the modern RAF. In 1915 he was blamed for the failure of one of the campaigns, and ended up rejoining the army to command a battalian of Scots Fusillers.
Lot's of other stuff happened and then on May 10th 1940 King George VI apponted Churchill PM in the wake of Chamballians resignation (because he felt he could not help the country now).
Everyone knows about Churchills tireless work to win the war for the Allies, and he should be in the list for his WWII permiership.

Whoever voted for Mr. Antony Blair needs their head examined.

Sometimes I think Churchill gets honors simply for being prime minister during WW2 and talk like if he weren't prime minister we'd have lost - the credit for winning should go to the soilders, not Churchill.

Who is to say if we had a different prime minister we wouldn't have won, and possibly won sooner than under Churchill?

Thatcher.

1) First woman British PM.
2) Falklands.
3) Made a reference to Monty Python's "Dead Parrot Sketch" in one of her speeches.

Flawless victory.

1) you think she was a WOMAN?
2) Yes, thats right, "two bald men fighting over a comb", HUZZAH!
3) She didn't WRITE the speech or understand the joke. God.

She's going to burn in hell, and i'm pissing on her ashes.

Horrendously I think it's Blair...

Atlee was pretty good though.

Thatcher for getting rid of those wining workers and saving are economy

but of course I would vote for anyone who beats up northern coal miners and keeps the poor man down :D

She also had facial hair :eek:

Lot's of other stuff happened and then on May 10th 1940 King George VI apponted Churchill PM in the wake of Chamballians resignation (because he felt he could not help the country now).
Yep, lot's of other stuff happened. Including Churchill advising the use of mustard gas in trench warfare, leading to horrendous suffering not just among the German troops, but also among ill-equipped Allied troops (nothing changes, eh? :p ). He was also the minister who sanctioned the gassing of Kurdish settlers in the new country of Iraq in the early 1920s. What was I saying about nothing changing?

By the way, you forgot that the Boer War saw the first use of concentration camps, from which Hitler took inspiration. Guess whose idea these camps were?

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By the way, you forgot that the Boer War saw the first use of concentration camps, from which Hitler took inspiration. Guess who's idea these camps were?
Mmm... Kitchener?

Among the PMs listed in the poll--Harold Wilson. The Swinging Sixties, the pipe-smoking, etc. :)

A solitary BUMP

Oh, and the reason I said no WWII years for Churchill is that, in my mind, that would render the entire thread/poll pointless, as I can't imagine anyone actually competeing with what Churchill did in that time.

So instead I asked for a vote for him be based soley on his policies from '51 to '55.

Just to explain myself. :p

British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, the Iron Lady of Great Britain, The United Kingdom.

Just think if you had had Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher together during World War II.

Awesome.

I am a Pro Brithish Royal Family Monarchist, despite the Royal Family's Mess'es.

I am a Pro British, Royal Family Monarchist, despite the Royal Family's Mess'es.

Thatcher was the most effective Prime Minister in achieving her stated aims, but her shortcomings as a Party leader were quite detrimental towards the future of the Conservatives.

Thatcher.

1) First woman British PM.
2) Falklands.
3) Made a reference to Monty Python's "Dead Parrot Sketch" in one of her speeches.

Flawless victory.

1) She did very little for women's rights, despite being one.
2) The falklands was a disgusting imperialist waste. She could have at least made it half-justifiable by going in and toppling the corrupt Argentinian dcitatorship. But she didn't, because it was one of those US backed dictatorships. Were just lucky it collapsed by itself after the war.
3) So? That doesn't change anything, it's just a phoney attempt at giving a third reason.

I couldn't say who the greatest modern British PM was- I either don't know much about them, or know enough to know that they were not very good.

because it was one of those US backed dictatorships.

The US backed great Britain from the start to the finish in the falklands .
:D

...yes yes, deep in her dark heart I think she was a woman...but she paved the way for the british economic resurrection which her classmate Helmut Kohl failed to do...I voted Tony Blair though

...Oh, and the reason I said no WWII years for Churchill is that, in my mind, that would render the entire thread/poll pointless, as I can't imagine anyone actually competeing with what Churchill did in that time...
Like what? Telling his people that it's all gonna be fine and begging the Americans to come and save his unworthy arse? On his knees?

The man needs to be cleaned up for the history books - points could include Galipoli, the gas previously mentioned, the Lusitania etc etc

Like what? Telling his people that it's all gonna be fine and begging the Americans to come and save his unworthy arse? On his knees?

The man needs to be cleaned up for the history books - points could include Galipoli, the gas previously mentioned, the Lusitania etc etc
Hey, no one considers Churchill perfect--he was a boisterous and impulsive leader, who sometimes needed to be restrained. In WW2 he was more wise and 'restrainable' than in WW1, and that gave him immortality.

The Lusitania. It doesn't matter what Churchill smuggled on board of the ship--she was sunk by a bloodthirsty submarine commander who had not been able to knew anything about her cargo.