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Washington DC -- Residents of District of Columbia are now under a hurricane warning, as a stronger Tropical Storm Sheehan continues on its path toward the East coast.

Forecasters say Sheehan now has potentially developed into a Category 5 Hurricane.

About 5,000 staff in the Government buildings have already been told to evacuate -- and now a state emergency management director is telling them to hurry.

With the storm expected to hit sometime Saturday, he said politicians are starting to run out of time.

The state is already sending a National Guard cargo plane to evacuate non-essential staff from The White House and Congress.

At 11 a.m., Sheehan was seen about 2 miles east-southeast of Manhattan.

Forecasters now warn that Sheehan could become ''a major hurricane'' over the East Coast.

A Republican Senator packing his Harley-Davidson motorcycle Monday morning said he hopes to stay ahead of Sheehan and find gas before stations close or run dry.

He said he is totally shocked'' by the strength of Sheehan, asking where did it come from?''

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Thousands of Politicians try to evacuate in advance of Hurricane Sheehan

So Casey Sheehan's demented Mom and the Leftist puppeteers who are using her as a fleshbot resent the fact that her 15 minutes of fame are at an end? That's too bad. :p

So Casey Sheehan's demented Mom and the Leftist puppeteers who are using her as a fleshbot resent the fact that her 15 minutes of fame are at an end? That's too bad. :pYou are reduced to hope the Hurricane lasts only 15 min...

we shall see saturday :D

Don't be so sure, the lefty media types will keep tryint to resurrect her over and over agains and she'll keep trying too. Funny how aside from people who already hated Bush, she hasn't convinced anyone to change their mind. Oh well, it'll be fun watching them try to get people interested in her antics.

Don't be so sure, the lefty media types will keep tryint to resurrect her over and over agains and she'll keep trying too.


Heh actually it's folks like yourself who spasmodically rant whenever Sheehan is brought up, or you actually bring up the subject yourselves, who are doing the resurrections as well.

Funny how aside from people who already hated Bush, she hasn't convinced anyone to change their mind.You think she wants to change your mind?

You are wrong.

I hope she brings some of them PETA girls along. They always make these things fun. Instead of red paint, they could use oil. Hmm, baby oil that is.

Heh actually it's folks like yourself who spasmodically rant whenever Sheehan is brought up, or you actually bring up the subject yourselves, who are doing the resurrections as well.

sheehag is a national joke.....bush is too but at least he has puppetteers that know what there doing.
she is just a floundering fool with moore hole,and the closest they are to a huricane is being blowhards.

she is a totaly discredited idiot and a liar to boot...similar to gwb...but at least he wins his battles..or his daddy does...she is just a used up hag that cant let go of her 15 minutes of fame...so she just gets more and more pathetic.

i hope a house lands on her like the wizard of oz. :sniper:

p.s. lets see,her husband left her,she spit on her sons grave pretty much,and now her tour has turned into a joke..unless you count beatnic wannabe hippies spending daddies money to go to her pathetic rants as a following.or the even worse...washed out hippie idiouts that didnt capitalize on the tech bubble or did and are funding her pathetic tour to try and relive there old protest days...lol...wtf....total tards...at least they were right somewhat about nam,but we could have won that if not for them cowards whining and running away.and the pres being total idiouts on how to conduct a war.

coming soon....a porn video with moore,sheehag and fonda in space...we can call it dumbbarilla

I hope she brings some of them PETA girls along. They always make these things fun. Instead of red paint, they could use oil. Hmm, baby oil that is.hmmm PETA
http://fp.culttv.plus.com/ukculttv/photogalleries/petawilson/peta2.jpg
:D

Sheehan... her rhetoric smells more then passing those cow farms on the Pacific Coast Highway...

No, I was thinking of younger Howard Stern type PETA girls.

i hope a house lands on her like the wizard of oz. :sniper:or else Cheney can send his Flying monkey :D :D :p :D

Maybe she can get howard stern to show up if she promises to take her top off. That would probably be good for getting people to show up. The PETA girls gotta headline though.

or else Cheney can send his Flying monkey :D :D :p :D

any way you slice it..she is still the wicked witch that gets her just deserves. :sniper:

any way you slice it..she is still the wicked witch that gets her just deserves. :sniper:

http://www.political-comedy-central.com/bush/bush_oz23.jpg
:D

http://www.political-comedy-central.com/bush/bush_oz23.jpg
:Dlol, nice! :D

edit: funny, cheney looks like he got shot in the nose and Bush looks like a rotting dead body.

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:D

Stolen!

Stolen!
:D

Washington DC -- Residents of District of Columbia are now under a hurricane warning, as a stronger Tropical Storm Sheehan continues on its path toward the East coast.
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Thousands of Politicians try to evacuate in advance of Hurricane Sheehan
At least this is funny...

And, as you say, we shall see how this turns out as she continues to dishonor her son's CHOICE. :rolleyes:

At least this is funny...

And, as you say, we shall see how this turns out...YEAH!!

Showdown Saturday at DC...

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:D

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:D :D

Sheehan... her rhetoric smells more then passing those cow farms on the Pacific Coast Highway...

try driving around the southern half of wisconsin (outside of milwaukee and madison, of course)

YEAH!!

Showdown Saturday at DC...

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:D

I'm going to be at the counterdemonstration.

I'm going to be at the counterdemonstration.you are actually going to do something for your cause...I respect that.

I'm going to be at the counterdemonstration.while you are there...you migth as well go to the concerts :cool:

So Casey Sheehan's demented Mom and the Leftist puppeteers who are using her as a fleshbot resent the fact that her 15 minutes of fame are at an end? That's too bad. :p
No ... that's GREAT! :D

Don't be so sure, the lefty media types will keep tryint to resurrect her over and over agains and she'll keep trying too. Funny how aside from people who already hated Bush, she hasn't convinced anyone to change their mind. Oh well, it'll be fun watching them try to get people interested in her antics.
If they turn on the US military personnel, it'll be even MORE fun, watching a massive army of veterans scatter the lying leftist lemmings to the winds! :D

Heh actually it's folks like yourself who spasmodically rant whenever Sheehan is brought up, or you actually bring up the subject yourselves, who are doing the resurrections as well.
Just wait. The dishonorable Ms. Sheehan might just NEED a "resurrection!" Mwahahahahahahahaha! :D

coming soon....a porn video with moore,sheehag and fonda in space...we can call it dumbbarilla
ROFLMFAO!!!!! :D

Maybe she can get howard stern to show up if she promises to take her top off. That would probably be good for getting people to show up. The PETA girls gotta headline though.
LOL! Nahh. It might be good for getting people to THROW up, but not SHOW up! :D

I'm going to be at the counterdemonstration.
If I had the money, so would I be! :(

Somehow I'm betting that Hurricane Sheehan will be reduced to a tropical storm by the time it gets to DC.

USA TODAY
Fri Sep 23, 6:34 AM ET
Cindy Sheehan, the "Peace Mom" who led anti-war protests near
President Bush's Texas ranch last month, was virtually unknown a year ago. The U.S. body count in
Iraq hadn't hit 1,000 and a solid majority thought the war was just. The anti-war movement seemed dead.

As activists converge this weekend on Washington, D.C., for what they hope will be the biggest anti-war demonstration since before the invasion of Iraq, a majority now tells pollsters the war was a mistake and wants the troops home.

Bush's approval rating is as low as President Johnson's before the Vietnam War hijacked his presidency. More than 1,900 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq, among them Sheehan's son, Casey. The government's initial response to Hurricane Katrina, criticized as sluggish and ineffective, fueled more opposition to the war, organizers say.

"People are reflecting on the Bush administration's callous response to the hurricane and asking what's all the money and material and people doing in Iraq when it could have been used to prepare here," says Bill Dobbs, spokesman for United for Peace and Justice, a sponsor of this weekend's Washington events.

Organizers expect more than 100,000 people for a march around the White House on Saturday. Sheehan is scheduled to speak. Rallies by war supporters are expected along the route.

Somehow I'm betting that Hurricane Sheehan will be reduced to a tropical storm by the time it gets to DC. :D
What would you call a "tropical storm"
40... 50.... thousand demonstrators.?

roflmao

Sheehan Tells Hillary and the other Pseudo Democrat Leaders: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US...ALL YOUR BASE. :D

I'm betting well under 10,000 demostrators, not counting counter-protestors. After all, even the original Million mom march which had a hell of a lot more backing than this only managed to gather a couple hundred thou.

I'm betting well under 10,000 demostrators, not counting counter-protestors. After all, even the original Million mom march which had a hell of a lot more backing than this only managed to gather a couple hundred thou.
I'll take some of that action! I'm betting it will be less than that! :D

I'm betting well under 10,000 demostrators, not counting counter-protestors. After all, even the original Million mom march which had a hell of a lot more backing than this only managed to gather a couple hundred thou.I am willing to take you on that bet.

what are the stakes

I am willing to take you on that bet.

what are the stakes

Credibility and the title of prophet? :p

Washington DC -- Residents of District of Columbia are now under a hurricane warning, as a stronger Tropical Storm Sheehan continues on its path toward the East coast.

Forecasters say Sheehan now has potentially developed into a Category 5 Hurricane.

About 5,000 staff in the Government buildings have already been told to evacuate -- and now a state emergency management director is telling them to hurry.

With the storm expected to hit sometime Saturday, he said politicians are starting to run out of time.

The state is already sending a National Guard cargo plane to evacuate non-essential staff from The White House and Congress.

At 11 a.m., Sheehan was seen about 2 miles east-southeast of Manhattan.

Forecasters now warn that Sheehan could become ''a major hurricane'' over the East Coast.

A Republican Senator packing his Harley-Davidson motorcycle Monday morning said he hopes to stay ahead of Sheehan and find gas before stations close or run dry.

He said he is totally shocked'' by the strength of Sheehan, asking where did it come from?''

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Thousands of Politicians try to evacuate in advance of Hurricane Sheehan
Is she going to kill any black people, like Katrina?

Or just make racist comments about Israel, that MoveOn has to coach her not to say?

Is she going to kill any black people, like Katrina?I hope she kills the careers of a few Democratic Leaders like Hillary...

and she will keep pushing Bush ratings down.

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Don't scare me like that. I live in D.C, and we got a hurricane two years ago.

Don't scare me like that. I live in D.C, and we got a hurricane two years ago.
If you are a politician...you should beware. :D

Not living in the states and/or really paying attention to news, I thought this was an actual hurricane at first and was going to comment on the terrible luck the U.S. is having with hurricanes this past while.

... I thought this was an actual hurricane at first ...Good :D

I'm betting well under 10,000 demostrators, not counting counter-protestors. After all, even the original Million mom march which had a hell of a lot more backing than this only managed to gather a couple hundred thou.

If she gets Louis Farrakhan to count the crowd there could be over 1 million people there. :D Then Michael Moore could do a documentary about it, call it a movie, and Sheehan will live forever. :eek:

Sheehan will live forever. :eek:she is an Icon...

Her name is already on the Books...and she is already in Wikipedia.

If she gets Louis Farrakhan to count the crowd there could be over 1 million people there. :D ...For the bet challenge..I propose we go with whatever figure BBC comes with...

They are but a fart in a hurricane .


More than 2,000 people gathered on the Ellipse hours before the showcase demonstration past the White House, the first wave of what organizers said would be the largest Washington rally since the war began. President Bush himself was out of town, monitoring hurricane recovery efforts from Colorado and Texas :D

They are but a fart in a hurricane .


:Dif 40000 people fart in the direction of GWBush...he is going to smell for sure. :D :D :eek: :D

For the bet challenge..I propose we go with whatever figure BBC comes with...

For the bet challange I would rather rely on some unbiased news source such as FOX.

if 40000 people fart in the direction of GWBush...he is going to smell for sure. :D :D :eek: :D

Organizers of Saturday's anti-war protest predict about 100,000 people will crowd the Ellipse near the White House for a rally and march.




By JENNIFER C. KERR Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON Sep 24, 2005 — Opponents of the war in Iraq rallied by the thousands Saturday to demand the return of U.S. troops, staging a day of protest, song and remembrance of the dead in marches through Washington and other cities in the U.S. and Europe.

More than 2,000 people gathered on the Ellipse hours before the showcase demonstration past the White House, the first wave of what organizers said would be the largest Washington rally since the war began. President Bush himself was out of town, monitoring hurricane recovery efforts from Colorado and Texas.



they are only wrong by 98 % .... :D

Shithand should have just kept her mouth shut . She was better off just being a mother who lost a son and hated war. She spoke her ....ummm mind...and now is known as a left wing nut case ...hence her growing lack of support amongst normal moderate people .

The wisdom of cyndy ...this may help explain why she has such a huge following..of nuts maybe ? :D

Cindy Sheehan -- excerpts from her Address to Veterans For Peace Convention, August 8, 2005
*. . . somebody's gotta stop those lying bastards.
* Then we have this lying bastard, George Bush, taking a 5-week vacation in a time of war.
*. . . but I'm either gonna be in jail or in a tent in Crawford, waiting until that jerk comes out and tells me why my son died.
* So what really gets me is these chickenhawks, who sent our kids to die, without ever serving in a war themselves. They don't know what it's all about.
* So anyway that filth-spewer and warmonger, George Bush was speaking after the tragedy of the marines in Ohio, he said a couple things that outraged me.
* And I know I don't look like I'm outraged, I'm always so calm and everything, that's because if I started hitting something, I wouldn't stop til it was dead.
And, he also said, he says this often, and this really drives me crazy, he said that we have to stay in Iraq and complete the mission, to honor the sacrifices of the ones who have fallen.
* To make my son's death count for peace and love, and not war and hatred like he [Bush] stands for.
* And I'm gonna tell them, "You get that evil maniac out here, cuz a Gold Star Mother, somebody who's blood is on his hands, has some questions for him."
* And I'm gonna say, "And you tell me, what the noble cause is that my son died for." And if he even starts to say freedom and democracy' I'm gonna say, bullshit.
* You're taking away our freedoms. The Iraqi people aren't freer, they're much worse off than before you meddled in their country.
* You get America out of Iraq, you get Israel out of Palestine
* And if you think I won't say bullshit to the President, I say move on, cuz I'll say what's on my mind.
* What can we do to get him out of power? And I'm gonna say the “I” word. Impeach. And we have to have everybody impeached that lied to the American public, and that's the executive branch, and any people in congress, and we gotta go all the way down and we might have to go all the way down to the person who picks up the dogshit in Washington because
* We can't let somebody rise to the top who will pardon these war criminals. Because they need to go to prison for what they've done in this world. We can't have a pardon. They need to pay for what they've done.
* And I want them to come after me, because unlike what you've been doing with the war resistance, I want to put this frickin' war on trial. And I want to say, "You give me my son, and I'll pay your taxes."
* It's up to us, the people, to break immoral laws, and resist. As soon as the leaders of a country lie to you, they have no authority over you. These maniacs have no authority over us. And they might be able to put our bodies in prison, but they can't put our spirits in prison.
* And it's because our country, is so good at demonizing people, I still have relatives from WWII that still call Japanese people Japs'.
* When I was growing up, it was Communists'. Now it's Terrorists'. So you always have to have somebody to fight and be afraid of, so the war machine can build more bombs, guns, and bullets and everything.
* 58% of the American public are with us. We're preaching to the choir, but the choir's not singing, if all of the 58% started singing, this war would end.


I hear you out there clapping !! Standing ovations from the looney left..but what is your normal moderate citizen thinking ? The people who are actually going to decide the issue...what does this say to them ? ;)

IF we're playing for credibility than we're gonna have to do this by whoever's number is closest to the actual total. I've picked 10,000, what do you think the number will be?

For the bet challange I would rather rely on some unbiased news source such as FOX.you forgot to put a smily :D

For the bet challange I would rather rely on some unbiased news source such as FOX.

You owe me a new set of shorts. I just peed in mine from laughing.

IF we're playing for credibility than we're gonna have to do this by whoever's number is closest to the actual total. I've picked 10,000, what do you think the number will be?your bet is "under 10000 demonstrators"...and I took the bet.

The wisdom of cyndy ...this may help explain why she has such a huge following..of nuts maybe ? :D



I hear you out there clapping !! Standing ovations from the looney left..but what is your normal moderate citizen thinking ? The people who are actually going to decide the issue...what does this say to them ? ;)

And yet an equally comprehensive (actually it's much much longer,) list of stupid things Bush has said completely an utterly fails to move the right. Seriously, how can any Bush followers point fingers at loony things other people say. It's just sooooooo hypocritical.

And yet an equally comprehensive (actually it's much much longer,) list of stupid things Bush has said completely an utterly fails to move the right. Seriously, how can any Bush followers point fingers at loony things other people say. It's just sooooooo hypocritical.

That's the primary qualification for being a Bushevik. No grasp on logic and rationale that allows for double standards that favors Il Duh-ce while letting them condemn and bitch at anyone else for doing the same thing.

And there's plenty of them on NationStates, all whining about Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore like they're Bin Ladin's strategic council every chance they get.

The wisdom of cyndy ...this may help explain why she has such a huge following..of nuts maybe ? :D



I hear you out there clapping !! Standing ovations from the looney left..but what is your normal moderate citizen thinking ? The people who are actually going to decide the issue...what does this say to them ? ;)

All this tells me is that she is a raging, whining, hankeystomping, foulmouth, lunatic liberal, who is pretty much putting black eye after black eye into the democratic party and making a lot of these Michael Moore loving liberals look even more ridiculus than they are. Whatever happened to the normal liberals, who weren't so shrill and whiny? I am just wondering when her son will come back from the dead and walk up to her and tell her to shut the fuck up already!!!! We got it, you hate Bush, you hate the war, good for you. Now stop the namecalling, stop making an ass out of yourself on TV, and let us worry more about the REAL problem we have going on right now..... Hurricane Rita, and the new flooding in N.O. Excuse me, Cindy? We need to take your Kleenex box away now, and we have to turn the cameras off too. We got a bigger tragedy to cover.

I'm betting well under 10,000 demostrators, not counting counter-protestors. After all, even the original Million mom march which had a hell of a lot more backing than this only managed to gather a couple hundred thou.and here is the first sign that you are going to lose the Bet...

Washington packed with protesters
September 24, 2005 11:20 AM
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON Tens of thousands of people have been making their way through the streets of Washington to protest the Iraq war.

President Bush isn't there to hear them. He began the day in Colorado, monitoring hurricane relief efforts.

In D-C, protest, song and speeches are joined with chants of "Bush out now." Many of those attending are at a protest for the first time. One is a 27-year-old woman from Iowa who says, "We have to get involved."

A Republican from Michigan says removing Saddam Hussein was a noble mission, but that Bush needs to admit the war is a mistake.

Anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan drew a roar when she admonished Bush by saying, "Shame on you."

A smaller group of supporters of President Bush's policies in Iraq also gathered in Washington today. One of them, a Texas man whose son was killed last year in Iraq, wondered who would prevent atrocities from taking place in Iraq if U-S troops are pulled out.
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since Sheehan is due to address the Crown at 1500 ...and this report is from 11:30...

i got to say...Houston you have a problem :D

I GTG...Ill be back to rub it in your faces :D :D

and here is the first sign that you are going to lose the Bet...

Washington packed with protesters
September 24, 2005 11:20 AM
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON Tens of thousands of people have been making their way through the streets of Washington to protest the Iraq war.

President Bush isn't there to hear them. He began the day in Colorado, monitoring hurricane relief efforts.

In D-C, protest, song and speeches are joined with chants of "Bush out now." Many of those attending are at a protest for the first time. One is a 27-year-old woman from Iowa who says, "We have to get involved."

A Republican from Michigan says removing Saddam Hussein was a noble mission, but that Bush needs to admit the war is a mistake.

Anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan drew a roar when she admonished Bush by saying, "Shame on you."

A smaller group of supporters of President Bush's policies in Iraq also gathered in Washington today. One of them, a Texas man whose son was killed last year in Iraq, wondered who would prevent atrocities from taking place in Iraq if U-S troops are pulled out.
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since Sheehan is due to address the Crown at 1500 ...and this report is from 11:30...

i got to say...Houston you have a problem :D

I GTG...Ill be back to rub it in your faces :D :D
Not really. The million mom march figures were overinflated at the start as well, and not a single news service has yet to post a panoramic picture of these tens of thousands of protestors. The most densely populated photo I've seen contains around 1000-1500 people at most and it looks like a pretty full view of the main point of gathering. I've attended 2 years running the LATE Ride Chicago and this last year we had about 9000 attendees. There were a hell of a lot more people riding than I see in any of the photos. The could get news helis above the route and get us photos of the entire route to really judge the number of people. That's the only way to be sure in something like this where there is no admission fee.

Ah, and the rabid Bush backer skulks away, refusing to listen to piddly things like facts. I am soooooo shocked.

The facts are this: The peace movement doesn't get it. We cannot pull out now. We need to stay until the constitutional process and handover process is complete. There were also far fewer people taking place in this from what I heard... those people are foul mouthed, rabid fools. They will not be listened to and the troops will stay. Afterall, the president is not going to pay attention to some illogical, rantings stooges.

The facts are this: The peace movement doesn't get it. We cannot pull out now. We need to stay until the constitutional process and handover process is complete. There were also far fewer people taking place in this from what I heard... those people are foul mouthed, rabid fools. They will not be listened to and the troops will stay. Afterall, the president is not going to pay attention to some illogical, rantings stooges.

No, you don't get it. This is politics, so that means there is haggling involved. For example, if a Senator lobbys for a $10 million road improvement for his constituents, he's really only expecting $5 million. If you start out with asking for $5 million, you're not going to get it. By protesting for immediate removal, what the savvier protestors are really trying to accomplish is a moving up of the troop reductions. This is how politics and business works. You apply pressure and hope for a compromise. The thing is, the Bush administration has never cottoned to compromises.

As to "what you heard" about the number of protesters...care to give us a source?

Of course the President listens to ranting, illogical stooges...he's surrounded himself with them, after all...

No, you don't get it. This is politics, so that means there is haggling involved. For example, if a Senator lobbys for a $10 million road improvement for his constituents, he's really only expecting $5 million. If you start out with asking for $5 million, you're not going to get it. By protesting for immediate removal, what the savvier protestors are really trying to accomplish is a moving up of the troop reductions. This is how politics and business works. You apply pressure and hope for a compromise. The thing is, the Bush administration has never cottoned to compromises.



In other words, rational discourse has failed, and both sides are held hostage to the loudest, most shrill, zealots.

In other words, rational discourse has failed, and both sides are held hostage to the loudest, most shrill, zealots.

I would love to hear Rumsfeld, or Cheney,
or Bush, or Colin Powell, or Judge Roberts,
or any body from the republicans
to be acting like the liberals and
super lefty democrates now!
Just yelling and yelling, and namecalling,
and more yelling, and bitching!!
When have you ever seen a republican
act exactly the same way as these democrates
are?

In other words, rational discourse has failed, and both sides are held hostage to the loudest, most shrill, zealots.

Yes and no. The tug of war is between the shrill, and that's the soap opera that people tune in to. In the end though, unless there's a great failure of leadership (and I'll let everyone make up their own minds about that,) the middle should win through.

I would love to hear Rumsfeld, or Cheney,
or Bush, or Colin Powell, or Judge Roberts,
or any body from the republicans
to be acting like the liberals and
super lefty democrates now!
Just yelling and yelling, and namecalling,
and more yelling, and bitching!!
When have you ever seen a republican
act exactly the same way as these democrates
are?
They don't do that. They're too busy either running the Country or making money, or both.

How about Condie Rice doing a Howard Dean leg-lifting Yeeeehawwww? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!

I would love to hear Rumsfeld, or Cheney,
or Bush, or Colin Powell, or Judge Roberts,
or any body from the republicans
to be acting like the liberals and
super lefty democrates now!
Just yelling and yelling, and namecalling,
and more yelling, and bitching!!
When have you ever seen a republican
act exactly the same way as these democrates
are?

Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Scarborough, Coulter, DeLay...and let us not forget the rants Cheney made about liberals wanting to give the terrorists "therapy" or the ominous "mushroom cloud" that might happen if we didn't invade Iraq.

In fact, I'd say the number of shrill, loud, namecalling, hard-core Republicans is much greater than I have noted from the Democrats...even if you include Zell Miller (who is clearly batshit crazy :D )

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since Sheehan is due to address the Crown at 1500 ...and this report is from 11:30...

i got to say...Houston you have a problem :D

I GTG...Ill be back to rub it in your faces :D :D
Good luck. Last time I looked at the TV, the only thing on any of the news channels was a run-down on hurricane Rita. :D

The dishonorable Ms. Sheehan and her loons, goons and paltroons lose, sucka! :D

Yes and no. The tug of war is between the shrill, and that's the soap opera that people tune in to. In the end though, unless there's a great failure of leadership (and I'll let everyone make up their own minds about that,) the middle should win through.

I just don't think that national policy should be decided on the basis of the adversarial system. (I admit I am guilty of behaving that way myself, but I am just a poster on an internet forum).

And ultimately, it places too much power in the hands of any leadership. If we all run to the polar extremes, it gives them the opportunity to bargain away the positions that we might hold most dear. I, for one, speaking from a more right wing perspective am not happy about the religious zealotry that is tolerated - nay condoned - by the party in power. And I have friends on the left who complain that multicultalism and multilaterlism have been likewise used to cover a multitude of sins.

Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Scarborough, Coulter, DeLay...and let us not forget the rants Cheney made about liberals wanting to give the terrorists "therapy" or the ominous "mushroom cloud" that might happen if we didn't invade Iraq.

In fact, I'd say the number of shrill, loud, namecalling, hard-core Republicans is much greater than I have noted from the Democrats...even if you include Zell Miller (who is clearly batshit crazy :D )
Zell Miller is one of the few living Democrats who is honorable, outspoken, and truthful. Too bad most Democrats are unable to see that.

BAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
condi going EEYYYAAAAAA!!!!
boy, its amaizing.
Somehow the majority
of the republicans* out there
can control themselves in any situation
while we got democrates going off
the handle everywhere you look!
Hell, Rudy Juliani didnt cry and blaime
bush after 9/11! What does the N.O. mayor do?
Cry and swear, and call bush names! Not
just him but that La. Democrate senator as well!
Geeze what is up with these libs??

(*note dick cheney telling someone to F*ck off is the
only one I can think of!)

They don't do that. They're too busy either running the Country or making money, or both.

How about Condie Rice doing a Howard Dean leg-lifting Yeeeehawwww? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!

I'll take a "Yeeeehawwww!" over a "You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie," any day.

Also, if you've ever seen the video of Dean during that speech with the crowd noise intact, his yelling makes much more sense (the room was rather boisterous, and he could barely be heard.)

I don't know what possibly could make "You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie," make sense.

I never say the problem with Dean's "Yeeehaww", he was at a campaign rally and got a little bit worked up is all. (Damn the man for getting into it. :rolleyes:)

Frankly I have seen Hillary Clinton - my junior senator - behave with far less control, and in a fake manner to boot.

People should stop letting Peter Jennings and Dan Rather do their thinking for them. In no way was that a "meltdown."

Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Scarborough, Coulter, DeLay...and let us not forget the rants Cheney made about liberals wanting to give the terrorists "therapy" or the ominous "mushroom cloud" that might happen if we didn't invade Iraq.

In fact, I'd say the number of shrill, loud, namecalling, hard-core Republicans is much greater than I have noted from the Democrats...even if you include Zell Miller (who is clearly batshit crazy :D )

Rush is not a politican,
Sean Hannity not a politican,
O'Reilly, not a politician,
Coulter, not a politician.
they are not in the senete, they are not
in any government office.

However, N.O. Mayor - democrate,
the Louisiana senator who was crying
on TV and blaiming Bush for what happened,
Howard Dean calling all republicans braindead
evil, stupid, him making racist comments against black people,
Clinton blaiming bush for being a racist, while
Bush personally asked him to be the man to help
raise funds for Katrina survivors, Robert (KKK) byrd
a major racist still a senator, calling Bush a racist,
Durbin comparing US soliders and Gitmo to Nazis
and pol pot, I can continue but by then my arms
will fall off.

Can you still name any more
republican politicians who have made utter
and complete asses of themselves
on TV or on the radio?
( and no Bush does not count since thats an
easy target) ;)

In other words, rational discourse has failed, and both sides are held hostage to the loudest, most shrill, zealots.


What a sensible and rational thing to say! Are you sure you are in the right forum ? :D
This protest represents a fringe group .When it starts to represent the average American then things will change . Until then its just a minor annoyance and a sideshow .


I've waffled before. I'll waffle again.


Howard Dean
I hate Republicans and everything they stand for.
Howard Dean
The fact is that we wouldn't be in Iraq if it weren't for Democrats like Senator Kerry.
Howard Dean

This is a struggle of good and evil. And we're the good.
Howard Dean

Hell, ted (hic) Kennedy cant even
say Barak Obama's name right!
Osama, obama, oslama! ah dammit!

WOW!
I guess I shut them up!
horay for me!

Rush is not a politican,
Sean Hannity not a politican,
O'Reilly, not a politician,
Coulter, not a politician.
they are not in the senete, they are not
in any government office.

However, N.O. Mayor - democrate,
the Louisiana senator who was crying
on TV and blaiming Bush for what happened,
Howard Dean calling all republicans braindead
evil, stupid, him making racist comments against black people,
Clinton blaiming bush for being a racist, while
Bush personally asked him to be the man to help
raise funds for Katrina survivors, Robert (KKK) byrd
a major racist still a senator, calling Bush a racist,
Durbin comparing US soliders and Gitmo to Nazis
and pol pot, I can continue but by then my arms
will fall off.

N.O. mayor...A Republican until right before he ran for mayor (a political move, since Democrats nearly always win in N.O...look it up yourself.)

Frist saying Schiavo was aware based on an edited videotape.

Cheyney to Patrick Leahy "Go Fuck Yourself."

Bush "You're doing a heck of a job Brownie"

Lying Swift Boat Veterans (this according to the Navy investigation)

DeLay at the Astrodome to Katrina refugees

Do I even need to mention Strom Thurmond and Trent Lott?

Pat Robertson, myriad times

Good god, Alan Keyes, "I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented by Hillary Clinton's willingness to go into a state she doesn't even live in and pretend to represent people there. So I certainly wouldn't imitate it." This before running for a senate seat in Illinois, a state he didn't live in.

Many many Republicans criticizing Clinton while military action was ongoing and then turning around and saying that you can't criticize the President without criticizing the troops as soon as it was their guy in the office.

Or Reagan saying that the Nicaraguan contras were the moral equivalent of our founding fathers.

Rep. John Cooksey (R-La.) told a radio audience, right after 9/11, "If I see someone come in that's got a diaper on his head and a fan belt wrapped around the diaper on his head, that guy needs to be pulled over."

Rick Santorum: "And if the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does."

POUGHKEEPSIE, N.Y. -- A New York state lawmaker says he's embarrassed, after he mistakenly sent out an e-mail message that referred to his constituents as "idiots."
Assemblyman Willis Stephens says he thought he was sending the e-mail to an aide. Instead, he sent the note to nearly 300 people on an online discussion group that focuses on the community of Brewster.
The message included the comment that he was "just watching the idiots pontificate."
Within an hour of sending the message Monday morning, Stephens sent another e-mail apologizing for the slip-up.
Stephens, a Republican, represents an area north of New York City.

How about this gem:
George W. Bush "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
- Houston Chronicle, April 9, 1999

"In the heyday of liberal democracy, all roads lead to slavery,"
-Janice Rogers Brown, federal Judge appointed by Bush

"Syria is the problem. Syria is where those weapons of mass destruction are, in my view. You know, I can fly an F-15, put two nukes on `em and I'll make one pass. We won't have to worry about Syria anymore." Rep Sam Johnson (R-TX)

"I favor the death penalty for abortionists and other people who take life." Oklahoma Senator Coburn.

“If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we’re going to have a tough time in this election.” MI. State Representative John Pappageorge.

I could go on and on and on...

Oh, and did you ever read what Durbin actually said? Obviously not.

What, exactly, did Dean say against blacks?

So, Byrd, who has apologized profusely for his mistakes in his youth is worse than Thurmond who never apologized and fathered an illegitamate black daughter while running on a segregation ticket?

WOW!
I guess I shut them up!
horay for me!

Just like most Bush apologists, your intent is to make people shut up, rather than have to face the truth yourself.

Yeah you're right I hate Sheehan. How dare she protest about a war that got her son killed I mean its not Bushs fault because there wasnt a draft right?

I'm betting well under 10,000 demostrators, not counting counter-protestors. After all, even the original Million mom march which had a hell of a lot more backing than this only managed to gather a couple hundred thou.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/24/antiwar.ap/index.html

Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, noting that organizers had hoped to draw 100,000 people, said, "I think they probably hit that."

Looks like you lost that bet, Raven.

A few hundred people in a counter demonstration in support of Bush's Iraq policy lined the protest route near the FBI building. The two groups shouted at each other, a police line keeping them apart. Organizers of a pro-military rally Sunday hoped for 10,000 people.

Man, what a paltry turnout for those in support of Bush's war policy (stay the course, no matter what.)

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Man, what a paltry turnout for those in support of Bush's war policy (stay the course, no matter what.)
The Pro War protestors really don't need to do anything. Were already at war, so why waste a perfectly good weekend? There's something to be said about letting a whining dog protest (or sleeping dog lie?, I forget which)

The Pro War protestors really don't need to do anything. Were already at war, so why waste a perfectly good weekend? There's something to be said about letting a whining dog protest (or sleeping dog lie?, I forget which)

Yeah, because protestors are useless whiney drains on society. I sure wish they had shut up prior to 1776 so that we could still be a happy english colony. Oh and those abolishionist protestors should have shut up too. We wouldn't have had a civil war if it wasn't for them.

Lying Swift Boat Veterans (this according to the Navy investigation)
Prove this.

Yeah, because protestors are useless whiney drains on society. I sure wish they had shut up prior to 1776 so that we could still be a happy english colony. Oh and those abolishionist protestors should have shut up too. We wouldn't have had a civil war if it wasn't for them.
I would never say that "protesters" in general are a bad thing, and I admit my comment was a bit harsh. I just get a bit tired of people saying that all protesters are such great people. Why do they get to speak their minds against something I feel strongly about, but when I say something negative about THEM, suddenly I'm trying to infring their right to free speech?

Why the double standard here? They can call the President a lying murder and it's ok, but I call them radical and whiny, and I'M the bad guy? Double standards are whats wrong with the left.

Prove this.

Do I have to do your homework for you? Kerry signed his 180 after the election was over (when there was really no reason for him to.) His full military record was released. Comments by several of the swift boat veterans are on it, agreeing with Kerry's account. You can find it easily if you care to, but I suspect you won't.

Also, here's an article about the Navy IG's investigation into Kerry's medals.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091904E.shtml

and here:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=35&num=5273

here too

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040917-070413-7033r.htm

and here

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.

So, basically, the Swift Boat Vets were pigs who dishonored (your favorite word) their uniforms by making up lies for purely political purposes. They've been caught red-handed.

Honestly, Eut, to have any kind of credibility, you should be cursing the Swift Boat Vets for their duplicity. As a military man, you should be outraged that they did this.

Originally Posted by Celtlund
For the bet challange I would rather rely on some unbiased news source such as FOX.

you forgot to put a smily :D

:eek: How is that?

Originally Posted by Celtlund
For the bet challange I would rather rely on some unbiased news source such as FOX.

You owe me a new set of shorts. I just peed in mine from laughing.

They are in the mail. :D

Not really. The million mom march figures were overinflated at the start as well, and not a single news service has yet to post a panoramic picture of these tens of thousands of protestors. The most densely populated photo I've seen contains around 1000-1500 people at most and it looks like a pretty full view of the main point of gathering. I've attended 2 years running the LATE Ride Chicago and this last year we had about 9000 attendees. There were a hell of a lot more people riding than I see in any of the photos. The could get news helis above the route and get us photos of the entire route to really judge the number of people. That's the only way to be sure in something like this where there is no admission fee.Photo 8 of 225.
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050924/i/r1123866861.jpg
A large rally of anti-war demonstrators gathers on the Ellipse near the White House (Top) as seen from the top of the Washington Monument in Washington D.C. September 24, 2005. Tens of thousands of protesters gathered in the nation's capital in support of anti-war protestor Cindy Sheehan, who lost a son serving in the U.S. armed forces in Iraq, and demonstrated for the withdrawal of U.S. troops and an end to the war in Iraq. REUTERS/Jim Bourg

USA TODAY
Fri Sep 23, 6:34 AM ET
Cindy Sheehan, the "Peace Mom" who led anti-war protests near
President Bush's Texas ranch last month, was virtually unknown a year ago. The U.S. body count in
Iraq hadn't hit 1,000 and a solid majority thought the war was just. The anti-war movement seemed dead.

As activists converge this weekend on Washington, D.C., for what they hope will be the biggest anti-war demonstration since before the invasion of Iraq, a majority now tells pollsters the war was a mistake and wants the troops home.

Bush's approval rating is as low as President Johnson's before the Vietnam War hijacked his presidency. More than 1,900 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq, among them Sheehan's son, Casey. The government's initial response to Hurricane Katrina, criticized as sluggish and ineffective, fueled more opposition to the war, organizers say.

"People are reflecting on the Bush administration's callous response to the hurricane and asking what's all the money and material and people doing in Iraq when it could have been used to prepare here," says Bill Dobbs, spokesman for United for Peace and Justice, a sponsor of this weekend's Washington events.

Organizers expect more than 100,000 people for a march around the White House on Saturday. Sheehan is scheduled to speak. Rallies by war supporters are expected along the route.


oh man. this article DEFENATELY wasn't biased. no siree. neither was the media's coverage of john roberts.

Antiwar Protests Commence in Washington
Saturday, September 24, 2005; 6:18 PM

Thousands of protesters against the war in Iraq rallied today in Washington and other U.S. and European cities to demand the return of U.S. troops in what organizers hope will be the largest gathering since the war began more than two years ago.

Protest organizers estimated a crowd of about 200,000 rallied at the Ellipse, then marched around the White House and along Pennsylvania Avenue. Police downgraded the count to about 150,000. The crowd thinned when a misty drizzle began before the afternoon concert on the Washington Monument grounds.

© 2005 The Washington Post

Photo 8 of 225.
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050924/i/r1123866861.jpg
A large rally of anti-war demonstrators gathers on the Ellipse near the White House (Top) as seen from the top of the Washington Monument in Washington D.C. September 24, 2005. Tens of thousands of protesters gathered in the nation's capital in support of anti-war protestor Cindy Sheehan, who lost a son serving in the U.S. armed forces in Iraq, and demonstrated for the withdrawal of U.S. troops and an end to the war in Iraq. REUTERS/Jim Bourg
Where'd you find the photo? I've been looking for one all day.

"Tens of thousands" doesn't seem very precise to me, but even that vague figure doesn't come close to the 100,000 discussed in the media "projections."

Where'd you find the photo? I've been looking for one all day.I dont expect to see it at CNN/FOX or other Corporate TV networks...unless they show it for 90 seconds tops...

try NEWS.yahoo.com

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050924/ids_photos_ts/r324680482.jpg

"Tens of thousands" doesn't seem very precise to me, but even that vague figure doesn't come close to the 100,000 discussed in the media "projections."try 200,000-150,000

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/24/AR2005092400852_pf.html

Where'd you find the photo? I've been looking for one all day.

"Tens of thousands" doesn't seem very precise to me, but even that vague figure doesn't come close to the 100,000 discussed in the media "projections."How' bout your local Sunday morning Newspaper...what kind of picture are they showing...and what page?

My newspaper has no pictures...and a small article from AP with the mention "incalculable number" (what a joke...every other big demonstration they did advance numbers)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050924/i/r1123866861.jpg


Am I the only one who see's the protestors forming the shape of a mushroom cloud? :p

Am I the only one who see's the protestors forming the shape of a mushroom cloud? :p

It the damn Liberal wing of the Illuminati, I tell you.

Am I the only one who see's the protestors forming the shape of a mushroom cloud? :phey...I didnt notice at all.

hey...I didnt notice at all.

That's right you didn't...and you're gonna keep not noticing it if ya know what's good for you.

[aluminum foil hat malfunctions.]

So when is this big kick ass protest fest gonna start ? The weekends almost over . :D

kumbaya ......sing...kumbaya ... :fluffle:

You know what's sad? For a second, I was like "ahhh, make it effing stop" because I really thought there was yet another hurricane coming to ravage the country. Then I realized it was just about that moronic woman. I was almost relieved.

I don't even know why so many people don't like that Sheehan woman...

Don't you always complain about elitist, overly ideological politicians? This woman certainly doesn't seem elitist to me, and I'd be suprised if she even knew what the word "ideology" meant.
All she knows is that she doesn't like her kid (or other's kids) being killed in a war that hasn't been explained to her - indeed it hasn't been explained to anyone just yet.
So she does grass-roots politics, she engages herself in the debate, even though she's only a simple woman. Isn't that what America should be all about...? :confused:

That's right you didn't...and you're gonna keep not noticing it if ya know what's good for you.

[aluminum foil hat malfunctions.] :D :D :p :D

some progress is being made..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050926/ap_on_re_us/war_demonstrations

"WASHINGTON - Cindy Sheehan, the California woman who has used her son's death in Iraq to spur the anti-war movement, was arrested Monday while protesting outside the White House.

Sheehan and several dozen other protesters sat down on the sidewalk after marching along the pedestrian walkway on Pennsylvania Avenue. Police warned them three times that they were breaking the law by failing to move along, then began making arrests."

She got arrested.

Thumbs up to the police.

And looking at the photos, I would say about 10,000. Not 100,000. Or 200,000. That's wishful thinking on the peacenik movement.

I happened to run across an account (http://www.sightm1911.com/1911%20Myth.htm#First%20Lieutenant%20Robert%20M.%20McGovern,%20United%20States%20Army) of Robert McGovern won a Congressional Medal of Honor during the Korean War. He was awarded the medal posthumously, as often happens, but the medal was never presented. Lt McGovern's father would not accept the medal because he thought medals were superfluous and failed to do justice to all the other heroes of the Korean war. Further, he did not have a very high opinion of the President at the time, Harry Truman. The senior McGovern did not feel Mr Truman "was fit to confer medals on anyone's sons." Even when several members of Congress pressed him to allow them to make the presentation, he refused saying that he didn't want this to become "political".

What a difference in attitude between Mr McGovern and Crazy Cindy Sheehan.

I happened to run across an account (http://www.sightm1911.com/1911%20Myth.htm#First%20Lieutenant%20Robert%20M.%20McGovern,%20United%20States%20Army) of Robert McGovern won a Congressional Medal of Honor during the Korean War. He was awarded the medal posthumously, as often happens, but the medal was never presented. Lt McGovern's father would not accept the medal because he thought medals were superfluous and failed to do justice to all the other heroes of the Korean war. Further, he did not have a very high opinion of the President at the time, Harry Truman. The senior McGovern did not feel Mr Truman "was fit to confer medals on anyone's sons." Even when several members of Congress pressed him to allow them to make the presentation, he refused saying that he didn't want this to become "political".

What a difference in attitude between Mr McGovern and Crazy Cindy Sheehan.

I'm sure Cindy would refuse a medal from the President as well.

some progress is being made..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050926/ap_on_re_us/war_demonstrations

"WASHINGTON - Cindy Sheehan, the California woman who has used her son's death in Iraq to spur the anti-war movement, was arrested Monday while protesting outside the White House.

Sheehan and several dozen other protesters sat down on the sidewalk after marching along the pedestrian walkway on Pennsylvania Avenue. Police warned them three times that they were breaking the law by failing to move along, then began making arrests."

She got arrested.

Thumbs up to the police.

And looking at the photos, I would say about 10,000. Not 100,000. Or 200,000. That's wishful thinking on the peacenik movement.

There is 2 copyrigths on your "Source"

one is from Ap the other from YahooNEWS.
Copyright © 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
© 2005 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.

Mesatecala, you have changed the wors used on the article, You inserted the word "used"...

They were apparently arrested for loitering but will be charged with protesting without a permit.

The cops and other sources said around 100,000 I think its safe to say they were not off by 80% .

And looking at the photos, I would say about 10,000. Not 100,000. Or 200,000. That's wishful thinking on the peacenik movement.

Since the police put the number at around 100,000, I think I'm going to go with their estimation over yours.

There is 2 copyrigths on your "Source"

one is from Ap the other from YahooNEWS.
Copyright © 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
© 2005 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.

Mesatecala, you have changed the wors used on the article, You inserted the word "used"...
I wonder who changed what... and when...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CS3A900.html
Sheehan Arrested During Anti-War Protest
Sep 26 1:51 PM US/Eastern

By JENNIFER C. KERR
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON

Cindy Sheehan, the California woman who has used her son's death in Iraq to spur the anti-war movement, was arrested Monday while protesting outside the White House.

vs:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050926/ap_on_re_us/war_demonstrations
By JENNIFER C. KERR, Associated Press Writer
16 minutes ago (3:41pm EDT)

WASHINGTON - Cindy Sheehan, the California woman who became a leader of the anti-war movement following her son's death in Iraq, was arrested Monday along with dozens of others protesting outside the White House..
Note that on the earlier AP link, it does, in fact say USED. There was some discussion about it on Limbaugh today and now the later articles no longer say USED.... I wonder why? :rolleyes:

I would like to remind everyone that flaming is banned.

I expect a lot of people to stop with their namecalling because I will report them to the mods. Better clean up your language right now, boys and girls.

And, Eutrusca, I see you repeat everywhere that I am dishonourable. Would you care to explain. I don't see how I am dishonoring my son's name. I never said anything disparaging about his character, his career or his choices. If there's a name I'm dishonoring, it's that of the president.

I would like to remind everyone that flaming is banned.

I expect a lot of people to stop with their namecalling because I will report them to the mods. Better clean up your language right now, boys and girls.

And, Eutrusca, I see you repeat everywhere that I am dishonourable. Would you care to explain. I don't see how I am dishonoring my son's name. I never said anything disparaging about his character, his career or his choices. If there's a name I'm dishonoring, it's that of the president.

This is either semi-witty parody or a prime example of someone with too much time on their hands. The world may never know...

This is either semi-witty parody or a prime example of someone with too much time on their hands. The world may never know...
Let's settle with someone who's tired of the slander on a woman who has done nothing to deserve the personal attacks.

... With a bit too much time on his hands. ;)

This is either semi-witty parody or a prime example of someone with too much time on their hands. The world may never know...
No, it is not witty. It is a dishonest effort to stifle debate by illigitimately calling down Mod action by declaring retroactive Flaming - and it needs to stop.



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This is either semi-witty parody or a prime example of someone with too much time on their hands. The world may never know...
Ask the Owl.

No, it is not witty. It is a dishonest effort to stifle debate by illigitimately calling down Mod action by declaring retroactive Flaming - and it needs to stop.

Chill out, dude. Aneurysms are not fun.

Let's settle with someone who's tired of the slander on a woman who has done nothing to deserve the personal attacks.

Other than making herself a target by wilfully becoming a public figure, you mean?

Please, I don't buy for a second that just because she lost her son and has now taken up the anti-war cause, that means she's inviolate. You become a public figure, you open yourself up to ridicule, parody, aspersion and condemnation. If I'm going to insist that I can do it to Bush, I'm certainly not going to stop anyone doing it to her and neither should she.

No, it is not witty. It is a dishonest effort to stifle debate by illigitimately calling down Mod action by declaring retroactive Flaming - and it needs to stop.
It does not stiffle debate in the least. I fail to see how calling me crazy, bitch or any other derogatory terms contributing to any debate whatsoever.

The rules are simple: do not attack another person. I have yet to call for mod action but I'm not afraid to do it if it's what it takes to keep people from slandering a woman who's only "fault" was to be vocal about the current government policies (specifically: the war).

Attacks my arguments all you like. Do not call me dishonorable unless you are prepared to make a case for it.

Don't scare me like that. I live in D.C, and we got a hurricane two years ago.

Blah, that hurricane was weak. I was there. A few downed trees in DC. Big deal.

It does not stiffle debate in the least. I fail to see how calling me crazy, bitch or any other derogatory terms contributing to any debate whatsoever.

The rules are simple: do not attack another person. I have yet to call for mod action but I'm not afraid to do it if it's what it takes to keep people from slandering a woman who's only "fault" was to be vocal about the current government policies (specifically: the war).

Attacks my arguments all you like. Do not call me dishonorable unless you are prepared to make a case for it.

here's why you're dishonorable:

You're using your son's death as pretense -- your son's service to his country should be honored, not used as a tool for you to get at President Bush. Your real argument is that you simply hate President Bush... and you have used your son to get your voice heard, which is unpardonable. Also, and this is not so much aimed at your "honor" so much as at your thickheadedness: You still don't seem to get that we are there for a reason -- to help Iraqis escape the oppressive rule of one Saddam Hussein and (now that he's gone) to protect them from the insurgent nut-jobs who want to keep power in the hands of less than 1% of the population of IRaq, while the 80% continue to suffer (Shi'a/Kurds). We are there for a reason, and if we leave.. your son's death will have been in vain. Do you really want your son to have died for nothing?

It does not stiffle debate in the least. I fail to see how calling me crazy, bitch or any other derogatory terms contributing to any debate whatsoever.

The rules are simple: do not attack another person. I have yet to call for mod action but I'm not afraid to do it if it's what it takes to keep people from slandering a woman who's only "fault" was to be vocal about the current government policies (specifically: the war).

Attacks my arguments all you like. Do not call me dishonorable unless you are prepared to make a case for it.

here's why you're dishonorable:

You're using your son's death as pretense -- your son's service to his country should be honored, not used as a tool for you to get at President Bush. Your real argument is that you simply hate President Bush... and you have used your son to get your voice heard, which is unpardonable. Also, and this is not so much aimed at your "honor" so much as at your thickheadedness: You still don't seem to get that we are there for a reason -- to help Iraqis escape the oppressive rule of one Saddam Hussein and (now that he's gone) to protect them from the insurgent nut-jobs who want to keep power in the hands of less than 1% of the population of IRaq, while the 80% continue to suffer (Shi'a/Kurds). We are there for a reason, and if we leave before the job is done.. your son will have died in vain. Do you really want your son to have died for nothing?

It does not stiffle debate in the least. I fail to see how calling me crazy, bitch or any other derogatory terms contributing to any debate whatsoever.

The rules are simple: do not attack another person. Oh, you mean like all those nice comments about "Chimpy Bushitler" etc. that frequently get bandied about here?

I have yet to call for mod action but I'm not afraid to do it if it's what it takes to keep people from slandering a woman who's only "fault" was to be vocal about the current government policies (specifically: the war).No, you are threatening mod action over an untruth and misrepresentation. You are not RPing, and taking on the name of someone for the sole purpose of calling "FLAME" is, IMO, an abuse of the rules.

Attacks my arguments all you like. Do not call me dishonorable unless you are prepared to make a case for it."You" have no arguments. If "you" have an argument, then post one.

Casey Sheehan was a two time volunteer. He CHOSE to be in the Army and go to Iraq. Cindy Sheehan is dishonoring his choice.

What would you think of a Pro (abortion) Choice woman who became Anti Choice because her daughter died of one of the rare, but very possible, complications of an abortion?

Cindy Sheehan is dishonoring her son's CHOICE. As long as she uses his corpse as her rallying flag she is being dishonorable. She can disagree with the war and Bush without dishonoring her son's, and thereby every volunteer soldier's CHOICE.

edit - and she is crazy for putting in print that troops New Orleans is in any way comparable to trops in Iraq.... :rolleyes:

I wonder who changed what... and when...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CS3A900.html

vs:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050926/ap_on_re_us/war_demonstrations

Note that on the earlier AP link, it does, in fact say USED. There was some discussion about it on Limbaugh today and now the later articles no longer say USED.... I wonder why? :rolleyes:on this AP Copyrights Laws issue...regarding www.breitbart.com/news/ ... I have sent a link and JPEG to Ap NEWS

here is AP policy:
http://www.ap.org/pages/about/terms.html

Obviously Im not going to Report Mesacatela...cos this is an open Forum...

any Monkey with a typewriter can post whatever counterfeit "news" he can get his hands on.

on this AP Copyrights Laws issue...regarding www.breitbart.com/news/ ... I have sent a link and JPEG to Ap NEWS

here is AP policy:
http://www.ap.org/pages/about/terms.html

Obviously Im not going to Report Mesacatela...cos this is an open Forum...

any Monkey with a typewriter can post whatever counterfeit "news" he can get his hands on.
Funny, because I got the breitbart link from the AP home site... :rolleyes:

The fact remains it WAS in fact reported one way earlier and changed for later reports - (edit: breitbart has them both... Just for fun, go here: http://www.breitbart.com/index.cgi search for sheehan and see for yourself. It CHANGED between 2:35 and 3:00...) not coincidentially after the slip was noted by conservative comentators...

Please, I don't buy for a second that just because she lost her son and has now taken up the anti-war cause, that means she's inviolate. You become a public figure, you open yourself up to ridicule, parody, aspersion and condemnation. If I'm going to insist that I can do it to Bush, I'm certainly not going to stop anyone doing it to her and neither should she.

Especially when she villifys an entire political party Being Bush and the Republicans because they are in power and are making choices she is unsatisfied with. She does NOT speak for the country and hardly tauts the kind of public support she thinks she does. Ever wonder why she is surrounded by the hard core liberal activist groups ? oh no.. she isn't being partisan or political.. its all in the name of antiwar [Dont you see how our Israeli policies have corroloation with Iraq?] :rolleyes:

sheehan smeehan............

on this AP Copyrights Laws issue...regarding www.breitbart.com/news/ ... I have sent a link and JPEG to Ap NEWS

here is AP policy:
http://www.ap.org/pages/about/terms.html

Obviously Im not going to Report Mesacatela...cos this is an open Forum...

any Monkey with a typewriter can post whatever counterfeit "news" he can get his hands on.

Oh, and maybe you should look at those two AP "stories" again.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/26/D8CS3A900.html

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/26/D8CS4AM05.html

The first one reads like reporting. Very short and to the point. The second one reads like a Press Release - complete with hyperbole and web links to the sheehan groups.

Now look at Reuters:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/26/MTFH61037_2005-09-26_18-50-20_EIC665416.html

Which do you think is more accurate and which shows blatant editorializing? :rolleyes:

Oh, and maybe you should look at those two AP "stories" again.

http://www.breitbart.com/newsnews/blah/blah/blah/

http://www.breitbart.com/news/blah/blah/blah/

The first one reads like reporting. Very short and to the point. The second one reads like a Press Release - complete with hyperbole and web links to the sheehan groups.

Now look at Reuters:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/news/blah/blah/blah/

Which do you think is more accurate and which shows blatant editorializing? :rolleyes:

*links>My editWhich do I think is accurate?

Whichever has this kind of http signature

http://reuters.com/
http://www.ap.org/
http://afp.com/
http://efe.com/
http://bbc.com/
http://news.yahoo.com/
etc...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/ is simply not worthed my time.

Which do I think is accurate?

Whichever has this kind of http signature

http://reuters.com/
http://www.ap.org/
http://afp.com/
http://efe.com/
http://bbc.com/
http://news.yahoo.com/
etc...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/ is simply not worthed my time.
Ah, so Yahoo, a news consolidator, is more valid than breitbart, a news consolidator. Got it. Thank you for the clarification. It's nice to know that consolidators and archivists (who must do so with the permission of the news agency BTW...) can be dismisses because they shatter your world view by keeping around inconvenient stories. :rolleyes:

Which do I think is accurate?

Whichever has this kind of http signature

http://reuters.com/
http://www.ap.org/
http://afp.com/
http://efe.com/
http://bbc.com/
http://news.yahoo.com/
etc...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/ is simply not worthed my time.

I agree. Let's all just cover our eyes and pretend like someone just made it up even though all evidence suggests otherwise. *sticks fingers in ears* WHAT?!?! LALALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

Oh look, here's the Reuter's story:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2005-09-26T195933Z_01_EIC665416_RTRUKOC_0_US-BUSH-PROTEST.xml

and

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/26/MTFH61037_2005-09-26_18-50-20_EIC665416.html

Hmm... look pretty much the same to me content wise (except the later edition has added more detail - which Reuters does all the time as more info comes in)

Oh, and silly rabbit, you will not see an ap.org http sig on any website with actual news... AP doesn't work that way. All their news is distributed through and only through outside agencies. If you go back to the AP site and click through to an article, you will see that it opens someone else's site.

Darn. You missed making a point by "that much". :rolleyes:

Ah, so Yahoo, a news consolidator, is more valid than breitbart...Just took a quik look at your "breithbart" ...

You gotta be kidding me...these idiots use DrudgeReporst as a source. :gundge:

here's why you're dishonorable:

You're using your son's death as pretense -- your son's service to his country should be honored, not used as a tool for you to get at President Bush. Your real argument is that you simply hate President Bush... and you have used your son to get your voice heard, which is unpardonable....
That's a baseless accusation, isn't it?
And it is also what your entire point is built on, so maybe you can enlighten me...

Just took a quik look at your "breithbart" ...

You gotta be kidding me...these idiots use DrudgeReporst as a source. :gundge:
Typical. You criticise and write off a source before you even look at it. My, how fair. :rolleyes:

Um, "these idiots" do nothing but run a bot and pull from Reuters and AP. The link to Drudge is just that - a link - nothing more. NOTHING on the site makes any sort of comment whatsoever. No editorials, nothing. How can they be using Drudge for a "source" when they are making no calims? It is a LINK to "a source" of news. Just like I occasionally use Michael Moore.crud as a "source" of news. They are making no claims about the data at all. (However, I do note that DRUDGE uses breithbart.com as his source of AP & Reuters data. So I guess that AP & Reuters are not to be trusted because Drudge uses their reporting eh?)

But I guess as long as there is no direct Leftist Propaganda it's too biased for you eh? :rolleyes:

Oh, and maybe you should look at those two AP "stories" again.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/26/D8CS3A900.html

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/26/D8CS4AM05.html

The first one reads like reporting. Very short and to the point. The second one reads like a Press Release - complete with hyperbole and web links to the sheehan groups.

Now look at Reuters:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/26/MTFH61037_2005-09-26_18-50-20_EIC665416.html

Which do you think is more accurate and which shows blatant editorializing? :rolleyes:


I found all of the articles to basically be accurate and that the second article was full of background info and was accurate and at the end provided links to both sides of the issue .

Families United for our Troops and Their Mission, a project of Operation Iraqi Hope, is a grassroots coalition of families who are united in their steadfast support of our men and women in uniform fighting the War on Terror, and for ensuring our troops are allowed to finish their mission.


How is this in any way not fair ?

I found all of the articles to basically be accurate and that the second article was full of background info and was accurate and at the end provided links to both sides of the issue .

How is this in any way not fair ?
As far as I can tell, Ocean believes it is "unfair" because the site I mentioned has the bad form of not taking down the 1:57 report which contains the author's Freudean slip "used the death of her son to..."

Horribly unfair that. :rolleyes:

(edit - yes, the 2nd AP article discusses "both sides" a bit, but it still editorializes. I won't call it "unfair" editorialization, but IMO it is more than just "reporting".)

As far as I can tell, Ocean believes it is "unfair" because the site ...Unfair is NOT the word I used...
But I will use a word now...

"Turd".

Unfair is the word I used...
But I will use a word now... "Turd".
Ahh. 4th grader monosyllabic obscenities.

How could I possibly debate such erudition?

I bow to your superior argumentation skills. :rolleyes:

Ahh. 4th grader monosyllabic obscenities.in any event... did not use the word "unfair" for your shitty BartBreath "news"site.

in any event... did not use the word "unfair" for your shitty BartBreath "news"site.
Ah. Nice edit. :rolleyes:

So you don't think beritbart is unfair. Got it. That's why you claimed to have reported them to AP for "copyright violation", then later claim to have "just looked at" the site.

While you never used the word "unfair" your self-described actions certainly indicate that you either believe that, or that you believe that the site is criminal.

But you have yet to explain to me how a news archive bot - which can only operate with the express permission of the copyright holder - can be a "shitty" "monkey with a typewriter". Nor have you explained how any AP article can come with an AP http ident when AP.org does not publish their own news.

But that's ok. Getting you to Rant is fun anyway.

Maybe you will like this on, from the nice neocon site MSN/Slate:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2126913/

Saturday's demonstration in Washington, in favor of immediate withdrawal of coalition forces from Iraq, was the product of an opportunistic alliance between two other very disparate "coalitions." Here is how the New York Times (after a front-page and an inside headline, one of them reading "Speaking Up Against War" and one of them reading "Antiwar Rallies Staged in Washington and Other Cities") described the two constituenciess of the event:

The protests were largely sponsored by two groups, the Answer Coalition, which embodies a wide range of progressive political objectives, and United for Peace and Justice, which has a more narrow, antiwar focus.

The name of the reporter on this story was Michael Janofsky. I suppose that it is possible that he has never before come across "International ANSWER," the group run by the "Worker's World" party and fronted by Ramsey Clark, which openly supports Kim Jong-il, Fidel Castro, Slobodan Milosevic, and the "resistance" in Afghanistan and Iraq, with Clark himself finding extra time to volunteer as attorney for the génocidaires in Rwanda. Quite a "wide range of progressive political objectives" indeed, if that's the sort of thing you like. However, a dip into any database could have furnished Janofsky with well-researched and well-written articles by David Corn and Marc Cooper—to mention only two radical left journalists—who have exposed "International ANSWER" as a front for (depending on the day of the week) fascism, Stalinism, and jihadism. ...

How nice of them to use Mama Sheehan's use of her son's death like that. :rolleyes:

Oh, and Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair... another Uber Conservative Magazine... :rolleyes:

This would be the same Ramsey Clark who was US Attorney General under Johnson, right?

This would be the same Ramsey Clark who was US Attorney General under Johnson, right?
Don't know. I'll have to look.

Ahh. 4th grader monosyllabic obscenities.

How could I possibly debate such erudition?

I bow to your superior argumentation skills. :rolleyes:


That response deserves a cookie :D

While you never used the word "unfair" your self-described actions certainly indicate that you either believe that, or that you believe that the site is criminal.
WOW you can read my mind now?

Here's a monkeywrench... I'm as radically left as you can get(autonomous anarchist), and I despise the effects Sheehan's actions have had. After honest-to-badness radical libertarian socialists have put a lot of efforts into making the anti-war struggle in USA a class/race/sex-blind effort towards solidarity, she comes thrashing in and persuades the American audience that the anti-war effort is largely the work of affluent, middle-class white people.

Fucked up, if you ask me.

Don't be so sure, the lefty media types will keep tryint to resurrect her over and over agains and she'll keep trying too. Funny how aside from people who already hated Bush, she hasn't convinced anyone to change their mind. Oh well, it'll be fun watching them try to get people interested in her antics.

Well, it would be hard to attribute any particular person changing their mind to her, the war used to enjoy 80% approval, now it only has 30%. Sheehan is probably not the cause of it, but she's a part of it.

And if her actions are so trivial, then why was the conservative media so inclined to downplay the numbers of the anti-war protesters but up-play the paltry 400 pro-war demonstrators?

WOW you can read my mind now?

Someone is unfamiliar with the word 'indicate'. Much like beating up a man for being gay 'indicates' a dislike for gays without requiring mindreading, your actions indicate a state of mind as well.

Please, I don't buy for a second that just because she lost her son and has now taken up the anti-war cause, that means she's inviolate. You become a public figure, you open yourself up to ridicule, parody, aspersion and condemnation. If I'm going to insist that I can do it to Bush, I'm certainly not going to stop anyone doing it to her and neither should she.

I don't think that anyone is insisting that she's inviolate, however the right keeps accusing her of not caring about her sons death and exploiting it to further her own political agenda. Unless you can actually read her mind you have to try damn hard to prove that, yet the pro-war/anti-sheehan people just act as though it's a given. They have to, because there's no way you can actually go and get it.

Very many people are prompted by the loss of their children to try to do something good for the world that is somehow related to what cause their childs death. The guy who hosted "America's Most Wanted" was motivated to that career because his own son was abducted. Was he "exploiting his son's death in a callous attempt to become a TV star?" It is a far-fetched possibility, but no one has ever accused him of it. The only reason that anyone is accusing Sheehan of this is because they've got a political agenda that she's threatening. It may not be a grand political machination, but something as simple as "If I have to admit that Bush is as bad as he appears, then I'll have to admit that I'm an idiot for supporting him," seems to be enough to turn right-wingers into vile hate-spewing madmen. Unless they are women, and then it's only a small disqualifier.

I don't think that anyone is insisting that she's inviolate, however the right keeps accusing her of not caring about her sons death and exploiting it to further her own political agenda. Unless you can actually read her mind you have to try damn hard to prove that, yet the pro-war/anti-sheehan people just act as though it's a given. They have to, because there's no way you can actually go and get it.

And the thing is that if you are going to take on the mantle of a public figure, particularly one in such a volitile issue, then you are going to receive criticism and some of it is going to be nasty. Just as it is my right to suggest that there are crooks running around in our highest levels of government, it is the right of others to suggest that Sheehan is using her son's death to advance an inappropriate agenda. The ability to criticize is fundamental, and if Sheehan can make statements that are franky beyond her perview and expect to get away with it, then there is nothing wrong in her detractors hitting back just as hard. If she can't stand the criticism, she shouldn't have sought the pundit box.


Very many people are prompted by the loss of their children to try to do something good for the world that is somehow related to what cause their childs death. The guy who hosted "America's Most Wanted" was motivated to that career because his own son was abducted. Was he "exploiting his son's death in a callous attempt to become a TV star?" It is a far-fetched possibility, but no one has ever accused him of it.

But when did he call New Orleans "occupied" by US troops? Sheehan's problem is that she takes her very valid point and then, instead of trusting it's inherant legitimacy, Michael Moore's it out of all proportion until it is not only hard to take her seriously, but her very valid original point is suddenly questionable because of her actions. Is it her right to do this? Sure. Is it the right of those who don't agree with her to criticize, even harshly? Sure. That's what freedom of speech is all about. Either everyone has it, or no one has it.

The only reason that anyone is accusing Sheehan of this is because they've got a political agenda that she's threatening.

But Sheehan has her own political agenda. Are you saying it's all right for her to have one but no one else can? Of course they're attacking her because she is threatening their political agenda. That's politics and punditry. If she's going to practice it, which she is, it's unfair to get upset when it's practiced against her.


It may not be a grand political machination, but something as simple as "If I have to admit that Bush is as bad as he appears, then I'll have to admit that I'm an idiot for supporting him," seems to be enough to turn right-wingers into vile hate-spewing madmen. Unless they are women, and then it's only a small disqualifier.

Well, if we're talking about vile, hate-spewing, madmen, butter isn't exactly not melting in Sheehan's mouth anymore, either.

I don't think that anyone is insisting that she's inviolate, however the right keeps accusing her of not caring about her sons death and exploiting it to further her own political agenda. Unless you can actually read her mind you have to try damn hard to prove that, yet the pro-war/anti-sheehan people just act as though it's a given. They have to, because there's no way you can actually go and get it.

Very many people are prompted by the loss of their children to try to do something good for the world that is somehow related to what cause their childs death. The guy who hosted "America's Most Wanted" was motivated to that career because his own son was abducted. Was he "exploiting his son's death in a callous attempt to become a TV star?" It is a far-fetched possibility, but no one has ever accused him of it. The only reason that anyone is accusing Sheehan of this is because they've got a political agenda that she's threatening. It may not be a grand political machination, but something as simple as "If I have to admit that Bush is as bad as he appears, then I'll have to admit that I'm an idiot for supporting him," seems to be enough to turn right-wingers into vile hate-spewing madmen. Unless they are women, and then it's only a small disqualifier.

I think there is a significant difference between someone who was kidnapped and murdered without no thought for consent and someone who died doing a job that inherently carries a significant risk of death that was voluntary and that they loved enough that they signed up to do twice. Casey Sheehan was a volunteer who signed up twice to do fight for our nation. Death is a necessary possible outcome of being a soldier and Casey Sheehan accepted that risk. Adam Walsh accepted no such wish and his case is in no way comparable to the case of Casey Sheehan no matter how much you try for this to be the case. When Cindy Sheehan protests the war and suggests that Bush murdered her son she is also implicating her son who was clearly complicit in the act by volunteering to be 'murdered by Mr. Bush'.

i say let her protest, she is only destroying the memory of her son and making a complete fool of herself. she seems to be the kind of mother that would hurt her child just so she can get attention. cant remember the term for that.

i say let her protest, she is only destroying the memory of her son and making a complete fool of herself. she seems to be the kind of mother that would hurt her child just so she can get attention. cant remember the term for that.

I think the term is, "severe projection on your part."

Yeah, that's it.

I think the term is 'glory hound.'

I think the term is, "severe projection on your part."

Yeah, that's it.

how so, her son died, she didnt do it, but she is using that to get her attention, these other mothers they hurt their own children, they give them sicknesses just so other people will have sympathy for them (the mother).

to sum it up, they use bad things that happen to their children to gain attention for themselfs

how so, her son died, she didnt do it, but she is using that to get her attention, these other mothers they hurt their own children, they give them sicknesses just so other people will have sympathy for them (the mother).

to sum it up, they use bad things that happen to their children to gain attention for themselfs
Themselves*

And it's Munchausen syndrome.

Edit: Sorry, it's actually Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.

Themselves*

And it's Munchausen syndrome.

Edit: Sorry, it's actually Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.

yep ttahs it, srory auobt the spelling ;)

I think there is a significant difference between someone who was kidnapped and murdered without no thought for consent and someone who died doing a job that inherently carries a significant risk of death that was voluntary and that they loved enough that they signed up to do twice. Casey Sheehan was a volunteer who signed up twice to do fight for our nation. Death is a necessary possible outcome of being a soldier and Casey Sheehan accepted that risk. Adam Walsh accepted no such wish and his case is in no way comparable to the case of Casey Sheehan no matter how much you try for this to be the case. When Cindy Sheehan protests the war and suggests that Bush murdered her son she is also implicating her son who was clearly complicit in the act by volunteering to be 'murdered by Mr. Bush'.
Exactly.

Again, (see http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9704927&postcount=128) I would ask the Pro Choice, Pro Sheehan people here how you can accept her use of her son's Choice in her anti-Choice rhetoric.

If it were about Abortion you would (rightly) be screaming to the high heavens, but you're not and I can't understand it. I guess Overarching Principles like Choice just can't stand up to the chance to bash Bush. How sad.

Exactly.

Again, (see http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9704927&postcount=128) I would ask the Pro Choice, Pro Sheehan people here how you can accept her use of her son's Choice in her anti-Choice rhetoric.

If it were about Abortion you would (rightly) be screaming to the high heavens, but you're not and I can't understand it. I guess Overarching Principles like Choice just can't stand up to the chance to bash Bush. How sad.

you two really summed it up, i congratulate both of you on providing a great argument. of course im sure some whacko will find a way to twist your words or will just omit your post and continue to support sheehan.

WOW you can read my mind now?

Wow. I'm more impressed that you got your edit in before it registered as an edit but after jolt emailed me...

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From 4th grade swear words to gestures at a screen. Amazing. Truly amazing. I am humbled. I could never hope to attain your level of debating (or spelling) skill.


you two really summed it up, i congratulate both of you on providing a great argument. of course im sure some whacko will find a way to twist your words or will just omit your post and continue to support sheehan.
Jacobia and I try to be reasonable (at least when we aren't debating each other ;) )

I want to know more about these PETA girls.

Why is anyone still paying attention to this nut job?

I want to know more about these PETA girls.
You mean the ones who lie naked on giant styrafoam platters and have themselves wrapped in plastic wrap to look like "Fresh Meat"?

Interesting, but I have a problem with non-free-range food. After slicing it up, I'd just end up stuffing it down the disposal....err... :eek:

When's the next rally?! :D

Someone is unfamiliar with the word 'indicate'. Much like beating up a man for being gay 'indicates' a dislike for gays without requiring mindreading, your actions indicate a state of mind as well.so if I beat you up...It means you are Gay?...or it means I am a Homophobe?
:D :D :eek: :D

so if I beat you up...It means you are Gay?...or it means I am a Homophobe?
:D :D :eek: :D

Wow, someone is also having difficulty with cause and effect. What's that saying? It's better to close one's mouth and be thought a fool...

It's better to close one's mouth and be thought a fool...so...why dont you do it? ;)

Why is anyone still paying attention to this nut job?


[rereads entire thread]

You'll have to be much more specific...

so...why dont you do it? ;)

Hmmm... I'm willing to let people read my statements and make their own judgements. I think they can see which of us has used about forty smilies, called people turds, suggested you were flipping them off, etc. You're welcome to continue, however. You haven't used all of the smilies yet.

Hmmm... I'm willing to let people read my statements and make their own judgements.my judgements is that you are focusing on my use of smilies.

are you running out of real issues?

my judgements is that you are focusing on my use of smilies.

are you running out of real issues?

You mean the real issues you expressed in this post?

so...why dont you do it? ;)

so if I beat you up...It means you are Gay?...or it means I am a Homophobe?
:D :D :eek: :D

WOW you can read my mind now?
can you also tell wich finger am i raising?

Unfair is NOT the word I used...
But I will use a word now...

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"Turd".

There's your last four posts. What issues was I to address in those posts? The insult that would make my eight-year-old nephew call you immature? It's been addressed. The suggestion that you would flip the person off for suggesting that your posts INDICATE that you think a source is unfair and breaking the law? It's been addressed. Your suggestion that summarizing what posts INDICATE is mindreading? Actually I did address that one. Your ridiculous twisting of analogy so you could suggest I'm gay or a homophobe, which says a lot more about you than it does about me? I ignored it because it had no merit and drags the discussion to a pretty sad place. Your attempt to say "I know you are but what am I"?

When you post some real issues you will get replies to those issues. As long as you post using only smilies and juvenile attacks you'll get snickered and pointed at. Posts some real issues whenever you're ready. We're here and ready to prove you wrong a few more times before the threads done.

Hmmm... I'm willing to let people read my statements and make their own judgements. I think they can see which of us has used about forty smilies.... ...As long as you post using only smilies and juvenile attacks you'll get snickered and pointed at. Posts some real issues whenever you're ready. We're here and ready to prove you wrong a few more times before the threads done.You can keep talking about me posting smilies...and I will keep posting them... :p

It does not prove me wrong....It proves absolutely nothing.

You keep turning circles around me...but you are not getting anywhere.

Your ridiculous twisting of analogy so you could suggest I'm gay or a homophobe, which says a lot more about you than it does about me? I ignored it because it had no merit and drags the discussion to a pretty sad place. Your attempt to say "I know you are but what am I"? I dont know what you are Jocabia...Like I said I dont know much about you...even If it looks like you keep trying to get my attention.

At least give me credit for (lately) spelling your name correct... I am paying more attention.

You can keep talking about me posting smilies...and I will keep posting them... :p

It does not prove me wrong....It proves absolutely nothing.

You keep turning circles around me...but you are not getting anywhere.

It proves that you have no interest in providing any substance anymore because you can't find a way to defend you position besides calling people names and flipping them off and then using a ton of smilies. I think this topic is done.

....I think this topic is done.IMHO the subject started to degenerate aroung post number #136

I agree. Let's all just cover our eyes and pretend like someone just made it up even though all evidence suggests otherwise. *sticks fingers in ears* WHAT?!?! LALALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU.