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Do you know the difference between these two concepts? Patriotism is love of one's country while, nationalism is to love one's own country to the exclusion of all other people and countries. The rise in Germany was nationalism and not patriotism, which is a classic example of going to far. Are you a nationalist and/or a patriot, or to you are these both very bad concepts and do not benefit the greater good of humanity?

Thoughts, comments?

Nationalism is a jealous love (if it is a love at all). They lock their country in the home, and demand it cook and clean.

Do you know the difference between these two concepts? Patriotism is love of one's country while, nationalism is to love one's own country to the exclusion of all other people and countries. The rise in Germany was nationalism and not patriotism, which is a classic example of going to far. Are you a nationalist and/or a patriot, or to you are these both very bad concepts and do not benefit the greater good of humanity?

Thoughts, comments?

I think the deffinitions you give are pretty good. I might add that patriotism allows for someone to say, "I do not agree with this action my country is taking." while nationalism says, "I support everything my country does: right or wrong."

I consider myself an American Patriot (wasn't there a movie by that name?) I think partiotism is alright; we have all sorts of loyalties and rivalries most of them good natured (Just ask any Bostonite or New Yorkian about the Red Sox/Yankees rivalries) I think it goes to far when we come under the impression that everything good comes from us.

Lately I have been re-shaping my outlook on how I see the world. A lot of it has to do with the classes (anthropology, enviro philospohy and history) Everything I know seems to come from a Western developed nationed perspective, I like my country, but it isn't better or superior to some less developed nation in Africa. It's just different, if I knew more about there history I'd have more global perspective on everything. I'd be a globalist. (It's late where I am and this is just me rambling)

A fanatic is a person filled with excessive, uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religious or political cause.

Just felt like adding that in.

I belive that a Patriot has a RESPONSIBILITY to eximane their countrys policies and actions, to affrim the leaders of the country is acting as he/she should.

Nationalism is a jealous love (if it is a love at all). They lock their country in the home, and demand it cook and clean.
I heard that's sometimes easily confused with domestic abuse....

Do you know the difference between these two concepts? Patriotism is love of one's country while, nationalism is to love one's own country to the exclusion of all other people and countries. The rise in Germany was nationalism and not patriotism, which is a classic example of going to far. Are you a nationalist and/or a patriot, or to you are these both very bad concepts and do not benefit the greater good of humanity?

Thoughts, comments?

I disagree... I think nationism and patriotism is a benefit to the greater good of humanity. According to your deffinitions, I am a nationalist.

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

I disagree... I think nationism and patriotism is a benefit to the greater good of humanity. According to your deffinitions, I am a nationalist.

I have to say that nationism (in my opinon) is not the way to go if you have ONLY love of your own country, does that mean that all other countrys take backseat to that one. are you saying that no nation should help one another in a time of need, and if you belive that think where we would be now would there be a German empire in Europe or if it turned out the same where would germany be now the allied powers helped REBUILD germany after WW2 and this is just a exsample what about the natural disasters?? (I dont mean to sound offinsive I am actully cuorious why you feel this way?)

*edit* I do agree that Patriatsim is a good thing

nationalism- devotion to the intrests of one's nation
nationalist- one who advocates a policy of national independence

patriot- one who loves his country and upholds its interests
patriotism- love for, and loyalty to one's country

(typed from New Webster's Dictionary)
The dictionary is a good start for stuff like this.

You seem to think that Germans in both Wars were somehow different from Americans in the same...

While I think your definitions are okay, I don't think a simple distinction: "Germany took it too far, but today in America it's all different" can be made without actually investigating what was happening in Germany between 1871 and 1945.

I dont think that was what I was saying but maybe it came out wrong.

But I do not like the way America is being run right now at all. I do feel that Germany had taken it to far with the population(mostly) ingnoring what was happening to the jewish population and I am not saying they thought it right but they ignored it(mostly) for there countrys sake.

but I have a hard time beliveing that if germany back than under there leaders where in the same spot that they would have helped out. I could be wrong but since it did not happen who knows.

I dont think that was what I was saying but maybe it came out wrong.

But I do not like the way America is being run right now at all. I do feel that Germany had taken it to far with the population(mostly) ingnoring what was happening to the jewish population and I am not saying they thought it right but they ignored it(mostly) for there countrys sake.

but I have a hard time beliveing that if germany back than under there leaders where in the same spot that they would have helped out. I could be wrong but since it did not happen who knows.
Of course if you talk about the Holocaust specifically, you can argue that something else was happening entirely. Maybe some sort of "next stage" of nationalism. It seems like people can still not explain their actions back then, how they could not see what was happening.
But they didn't support it willingly (for the most), so that definition of Nationalism might not hold. That being said, there still were a lot of people who actively tried to help out the Jews were they could.

If you're talking about Germany in WWI, or the Wehrmacht in WWII, I really don't see the difference between Patriotism today and their "Nationalism" back then.

If you're talking about Germany in WWI, or the Wehrmacht in WWII, I really don't see the difference between Patriotism today and their "Nationalism" back then.
Even if one's particular brand of patriotism drives them to support equal rights and social freedoms?

Even if one's particular brand of patriotism drives them to support equal rights and social freedoms?
As far as Patriotism as "love for one's country" is concerned, yes.
Other than that, "equal social rights and freedoms" are subjective too, and WWI's Germany was one of the most free societies around.

I have to say that nationism (in my opinon) is not the way to go if you have ONLY love of your own country, does that mean that all other countrys take backseat to that one. Yes.

are you saying that no nation should help one another in a time of need, Yep.

and if you belive that think where we would be now would there be a German empire in Europe or if it turned out the same where would germany be now the allied powers helped REBUILD germany after WW2 We shouldn't have rebuilt germany. We should have conquered it and made it an part of my country. If other countrys don't like it. We should destroy them. Allies are only good if you can take advantage of them.

what about the natural disasters??I think there is no need to help out another country. Unless my country can benefit from it.

(I dont mean to sound offinsive I am actully cuorious why you feel this way?) The strong shall live and the weak shall die. That's what I believe in.

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

Do you know the difference between these two concepts? Patriotism is love of one's country while, nationalism is to love one's own country to the exclusion of all other people and countries. The rise in Germany was nationalism and not patriotism, which is a classic example of going to far. Are you a nationalist and/or a patriot, or to you are these both very bad concepts and do not benefit the greater good of humanity?

Thoughts, comments?As the former Federal President of Germany Johannes Rau said:
"Patriotism is the love for one's country. Nationalism is the hatred of all others."
I can never decide whether to love him for saying exactly what I thought or hate him for stealing my idea :p

nationalism- devotion to the intrests of one's nation
nationalist- one who advocates a policy of national independence

patriot- one who loves his country and upholds its interests
patriotism- love for, and loyalty to one's country.

Well, according to this definition I'm neither a nationalist, as I'm opposed to put the interest of one nation above others, nor a patriot, as I'm not interested in upholding its interests, not do I feel particularly loyal to my country.

That actually makes me feel kinda ........... good! :D

*wants to add that she thinks having any "feelings" for a country, especially such thigs as love or pride or hatred, is whacko.

"Patriotism - the belief that one country is best due to the fact you were born there."