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Here's a thing I have been wondering for a while. Many police departments around the US - and to a lesser extent the UK - have task forces to specially investigate possible crime scenes that involve ritual satanic abuse. (You know the stuff: child molestation, human and animal torture and sacrifice; all wrapped up in satanic cermony.) There are also constantly allegations in the back pages of local newspapers from people who claim that as children they were ritually abused because there parents belonged to a satanic cult.(Even the Son of Sam killer david berkowitz -although anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt - has claimed that this type of thing is widespread and pervasive and his part in the Son of Sam murders were motivated by his participation in a satanic cult*).

On the other hand, when push comes to shove, there is hardly any physical evidence for this type of thing going on. You would expect, after all, with all this human, child and animal sacrifce going on, there to be a great deal number of unaccounted for dead bodies. Also, if these people are murdering children, where are social services ? - and before you say well it happens in the backwoods, by all accounts this type of thing goes on in the big cities too.

So I thought I would ask the people here. Does anyone know any satanists who do this? (Perhaps they are in one of these sects themselves In which case they may care to share a story or two about it). Or is this all rubbish created by tabloid newspapers and A&E Investigative reports with Bill Curtis to scare us?

Urban Legend, or wholesale coverup? I am curious to know what you all think.

*I've heard that the Zodiac Killer had a satanic conection too, which is why they never caught him. It was covered up. Personally. I can't see the connection myself.

I think this will help you
www.churchofsatan.com
look over the commandments,I think it's #11 that says never harm a little child then another one that says don't harm an animal except in self defense
or for food.This is the dominant satanic religion in the world but there are little "cults" that may do the abuse stuff but just as there are christian cults
that kill people they are not representatives of the religion

ya know what I'm talkin' bout?

Doesn't exist. Occaisionally a pedo-rapist will say to their victim that they are a Satanist to inspire fear, but SRA isn't condoned by actual Satanists.

all depends i know modern satanists, which is more like humanism, except its more based towards yourself so long as you aint hurting others.


however its obvious you are talking about Luceriferic satanism which is an altogether sordid little detail

Satanic ritual abuse is a myth. There's no evidence for it, and the testimony of "abuse victims" has been shown to be false and often prompted by hints and clues from the interviewers. It was a profitable little witch hunt in which many people from Christian groups, to shady psychotherapists to loony law enforcement consultants made some fast cash.

http://skepdic.com/satanrit.html

Satanists don't want to screw your kids.

however its obvious you are talking about Luceriferic satanism which is an altogether sordid little detail

Light bearing? I don't quite follow... Unless you're talking about the stories spread by the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages.

Satanic ritual abuse is a myth. There's no evidence for it, and the testimony of "abuse victims" has been shown to be false and often prompted by hints and clues from the interviewers. It was a profitable little witch hunt in which many people from Christian groups, to shady psychotherapists to loony law enforcement consultants made some fast cash.

http://skepdic.com/satanrit.html

Satanists don't want to screw your kids.

Well okay, but then why do police departments all have special units for it?

Light bearing? I don't quite follow... Unless you're talking about the stories spread by the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages.

there are some "satanists" who worship lucifer and think he created the universe and view god as a criminal most are dabblers who strive to live up to the myths put out by the catholic church in the middle ages but there are some serious luciferians*


*google luciferian for more info

Well okay, but then why do police departments all have special units for it?
I have heard that mentioned a few times, but I haven't yet seen actual confirmation of it. Do you know of any information on it?

Well okay, but then why do police departments all have special units for it?
Not all police departments have special units for it. Also, many were taken in by the scams that lined the pockets of ritual abuse investigation "consultants". Out of embarrasment most organizations, especially investigative ones, won't admit that they gave their money away to a charlatan, so they keep one or two guys assigned to the "ritual abuse" dept. in addition to their ordinary duties. It costs them nothing more, and it keeps them from looking stupid.

Here's a detailed report on Satanic Ritual Abuse which concludes that abuse happens, but not by satanic cult groups organized to rape kids.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_rep03.htm

I think this will help you
www.churchofsatan.com
look over the commandments,I think it's #11 that says never harm a little child then another one that says don't harm an animal except in self defense
or for food.This is the dominant satanic religion in the world but there are little "cults" that may do the abuse stuff but just as there are christian cults
that kill people they are not representatives of the religion

ya know what I'm talkin' bout?
Agreed

i read a book on something like this one.
that was disturbing it was all about a family in
hamilton,canada anda how they raped the little girls ages 6, 7 and it got lots of press



ugh..... (this is really true)

there are some "satanists" who worship lucifer and think he created the universe and view god as a criminal most are dabblers who strive to live up to the myths put out by the catholic church in the middle ages but there are some serious luciferians*


*google luciferian for more info

Correct. However, most people who call themselves "Satanist" these days are not so much about worshipping Satan as they are about rejecting society (as I believe has been stated). There is a distinction.

Light bearing? I don't quite follow... Unless you're talking about the stories spread by the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages.


trust me id be the last to listen to the Catholic Church

I personally know quiet a few satanist (and was one for awhile myself). This being said I can most assure you that any SANE (sane being the keyword here) person would never do any of the acts which you describe. There are those people out there who are screwed in the head who will often commit a horriendous act such as you have described and then blame it on that, but then again there are certian people *coughchristianscough* who will bomb a building or shoot a doctor all in the name of God. You really can't judge an entire religion on just a few wackos (if this where the case we would expect all the Wiccans out there to be just like their ancient druid ancestors). Satanism is just another religion like Christianity and Buhdism. The only difference is they worship the guy all the others tell you to stay away from *smirks* Have a good day.

I have heard that mentioned a few times, but I haven't yet seen actual confirmation of it. Do you know of any information on it?

I am sorry, it's something I saw on TV, so I don't have a link. They went on a satanic crime scene training exercise with a police department in Pennsylvania.

Not all police departments have special units for it. Also, many were taken in by the scams that lined the pockets of ritual abuse investigation "consultants". Out of embarrasment most organizations, especially investigative ones, won't admit that they gave their money away to a charlatan, so they keep one or two guys assigned to the "ritual abuse" dept. in addition to their ordinary duties. It costs them nothing more, and it keeps them from looking stupid.

Ah, that makes sense.

Correct. However, most people who call themselves "Satanist" these days are not so much about worshipping Satan as they are about rejecting society (as I believe has been stated). There is a distinction.

satan to me represents a force of nature,but the name satan come from hebrew for enemy because most of their teachings are contrary to restrictive religions like christianity i.e "satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence" and "satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek" hence they have become the spiritual enemy of christianity

I am sorry, it's something I saw on TV, so I don't have a link. They went on a satanic crime scene training exercise with a police department in Pennsylvania.

Most of it is based off of paranoia schemes from the early 80's involving much hyped Satanism, D&D, and alledged day-care molestations. Almost all of which have been debunked.

Satanists (any type) are pretty ephed in the head. Worshiping Satan (enemy, liar, lord of the flies, kind of devils) in any way shape or form is retarded.

I've watched a satanic ritual and was completely digusted. They ebraced, and found joy in prettymuch all evil things, they beat people and had orgies and stupid shit like that and everyone was fine with it. Totally creeps me out.

And, Jesus kicked satans ass along time ago, i don't know why they're celebrating.

Well...

There are people in this world who will do anything and justify it by any means.

There have been cases where people were following/creating satanic ritual with the idea it would further their goal.

The one that immediately comes to mind was a bunch of drug runners who operated just this (US) side of the Mexican border. They were murdering Mexicans ritually to prevent the discovery of their drug running. Ironically, they got busted for murder. This was about 12 - 15 years ago and made National news.

So it does happen.

But, also look at the nuts like the ones in Waco where children were systamatically raped in a cult setting. He believed he was the second coming of Christ, so definately not in the satanic ritual mind set.

What is the difference between the two?

I don't see much. They were both groups of adults. They both went WAY outside of what society says is acceptable. They both used Religion.

Religion on the "good" side has been used all through history to commit atrocities. Is government sponsered ritual burning of thousands of "witches" across Europe different?

What we consider "Evil" is done every day in horrible manners. How many does it take to make a satanic cult?

Look at the guy who was recently busted after murdering 3 adults, kidnapping and torturing 2 children, eventually (after weeks of torture) killing the boy? They are failry certain this was not his first, second or even third time of torturing & killing a child.
On-line he had a site that talked about the evil dark side that was taking him over. Would this be considered satanic?

I saw the churchofsatan.com site mentioned earlier as a joke in a scene for a film. The satanic system of beliefs outlined there was a little contradictory, though:

It says not to harm little children. It also says not to harm animalsn unless in self-defense. However, here's where it gets a little bit outrageous and medieval (this is almost an exact quote): If you are walking in someone else's territory, bother no one. If someone is in your territory and he bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Out of this outrageous doctrine was born an idea for the ultimate prank instant message, and it would be wonderful if someone would do this. Go into the chat rooms on the site. Either say that you had a dilemma: "There was a girl scout at my door. She offered me cookies, and I was bothered so I asked her to leave. She didn't go, though, so I destroyed her. But I'm not supposed to harm little children! Oh, tell me, what should I have done?" or ask how many people the others in the chat room destroyed: "How many people did you destroy today? I destroyed, like, 50!" or, finally, list every cliche of satanism that they try to dispel on their site: "Who's the symbol of the ultimate evil? S-A-T-A-N! SATAN!"

You kind of had to be there, I guess...

By the way, I agree with all that Level 9 Cocytus said in his post.

I saw the churchofsatan.com site mentioned earlier as a joke in a scene for a film. The satanic system of beliefs outlined there was a little contradictory, though:

It says not to harm little children. It also says not to harm animalsn unless in self-defense. However, here's where it gets a little bit outrageous and medieval (this is almost an exact quote): If you are walking in someone else's territory, bother no one. If someone is in your territory and he bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. You have to have odd things to be a proper religion. It's like a civil war being a sign of a country's maturity.

Satanists (any type) are pretty ephed in the head. Worshiping Satan (enemy, liar, lord of the flies, kind of devils) in any way shape or form is retarded.

I've watched a satanic ritual and was completely digusted. They ebraced, and found joy in prettymuch all evil things, they beat people and had orgies and stupid shit like that and everyone was fine with it. Totally creeps me out.

And, Jesus kicked satans ass along time ago, i don't know why they're celebrating.
I seriously doubt you know what you're talking about. Have you ever read the Satanic Bible?

Anyway, even if Satanism was like "malleus maleficarum" style Satanism, it wouldn't be only fools who followed it. Think about it… worshipping the Father of Lies… trickery and deception… easy to fall into the trap… I'll shut up now… :)

[qupte]Satanism is just another religion like Christianity and Buhdism. The only difference is they worship the guy all the others tell you to stay away from *smirks* Have a good day.[/quote]

Isn't that Anti-Christers?