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Bad places to live

The South Islands
22-09-2005, 18:52
Which of these places would you LEAST like to live?
Czardas
22-09-2005, 18:55
Isn't this trollbaiting?
Drunk commies deleted
22-09-2005, 18:55
N. Korea. At least I won't starve in Iran or Iraq.
QuentinTarantino
22-09-2005, 18:56
I like Russia
Messerach
22-09-2005, 18:58
N. Korea. At least I won't starve in Iran or Iraq.

Hell yeah, North Korea is by far the worst, although at the moment Iraq is probably more dangerous.
Nadkor
22-09-2005, 18:58
I personally wouldn't like to live in any of them.

Obviously the US is a million times better than any of the others at the minute, but I couldn't imagine enjoying living there. Nice for a holiday though.
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 18:59
Isn't this trollbaiting?

Nope.
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 18:59
I personally wouldn't like to live in any of them.

Obviously the US is a million times better than any of the others at the minute, but I couldn't imagine enjoying living there. Nice for a holiday though.

But you MUST CHOOSE! That's the point.
Megatania
22-09-2005, 19:01
Iraq is too damn hot. Even for me.
Santa Barbara
22-09-2005, 19:01
North Korea. Even in Iraq or Iran you have SOME freedom.
Fass
22-09-2005, 19:01
I wouldn't like to live in any of them, but Iran's theocracy is the one that repels me the most.

And in the right places the US (New York, San Francisco...) and Russia (Saint Petersburg) aren't bad at all.
Nadkor
22-09-2005, 19:02
But you MUST CHOOSE! That's the point.
OK...Iran. Iraq....

Iran.
Carnivorous Lickers
22-09-2005, 19:05
I personally wouldn't like to live in any of them.

Obviously the US is a million times better than any of the others at the minute, but I couldn't imagine enjoying living there. Nice for a holiday though.


Nadkor-you have to trust me when I say there are literally thousands of nice towns in the US-scenic and clean and not part of the rat race. Where I live in NJ, its by the ocean-its so fresh and clean and the people are friendly. You dont see the real America on TV or even on vacation. I lived on a large freshwater lake in upsatte NY between two mountain ranges-you couldnt have asked for a more picturesque place. Good friendly people, very low crime,etc... I dont think people can comprehend how vast and varied this country is til they hit the ground and explore.
Nadkor
22-09-2005, 19:09
Nadkor-you have to trust me when I say there are literally thousands of nice towns in the US-scenic and clean and not part of the rat race. Where I live in NJ, its by the ocean-its so fresh and clean and the people are friendly. You dont see the real America on TV or even on vacation. I lived on a large freshwater lake in upsatte NY between two mountain ranges-you couldnt have asked for a more picturesque place. Good friendly people, very low crime,etc... I dont think people can comprehend how vast and varied this country is til they hit the ground and explore.
No, no, it's not even the scenery. In all my travels I just haven't come across anywhere I would rather live then where I do now. I'm sure it's lovely, and I've been to cities in the US and the countryside as well, but I just couldn't see myself particularly liking living there.
Carnivorous Lickers
22-09-2005, 19:12
No, no, it's not even the scenery. In all my travels I just haven't come across anywhere I would rather live then where I do now. I'm sure it's lovely, and I've been to cities in the US and the countryside as well.

As long as you know what I mean.

And good for you- there is something to be said for being happy with where you live. I feel the same way where I am now. I've been literally all over and wouldnt trade where I am right now.
Pencil 17
22-09-2005, 19:14
I love Russia... and would love to live there.


Although... About America being on the list... I ask why?

It's pretty much insulting to anyone else who is from any of those other countries. The problems in America run the Superficial gamet... mainly. I'm not going to be shot in the face for protesting Bush, or banded from leaving the country all together... Or beaten because I'm a woman who doesn't know her place...


pah! I say!
Spooty
22-09-2005, 19:14
well i'm one of those Axis of Evil tourists, so America for me
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 19:18
I love Russia... and would love to live there.


Although... About America being on the list... I ask why?

It's pretty much insulting to anyone else who is from any of those other countries. The problems in America run the Superficial gamet... mainly. I'm not going to be shot in the face for protesting Bush, or banded from leaving the country all together... Or beaten because I'm a woman who doesn't know her place...


pah! I say!

There is a reason that I put the USA on the list. Simply put, there are some people that would rather live in a Theocracy, or an extremely corrupt Socialist State, than the United States.
Nadkor
22-09-2005, 19:19
As long as you know what I mean.

And good for you- there is something to be said for being happy with where you live. I feel the same way where I am now. I've been literally all over and wouldnt trade where I am right now.
Yea, I know what you mean.

I should point out that I love to travel, but I wouldn't actually live anywhere else. I still love travelling about though.
Pencil 17
22-09-2005, 19:21
There is a reason that I put the USA on the list. Simply put, there are some people that would rather live in a Theocracy, or an extremely corrupt Socialist State, than the United States... Hmmmm... I would rather live in Canada...

But that's true for a Ba-zillion people in tons of countries... Every body thinks the grass is greener on the other side.
Carnivorous Lickers
22-09-2005, 19:22
Yea, I know what you mean.

I should point out that I love to travel, but I wouldn't actually live anywhere else. I still love travelling about though.

Yeah- Travel is one true joy. Its hard for us now with three kids, but we have still done some here and there since they're born.
When they're all grown and out, I think my wife and I will spend a lot of time travelling here and abroad. Theee is so much to see and do and life is so short in comparison.
UnitarianUniversalists
22-09-2005, 19:30
Not religious enough (more importantly the wrong type) for Iraq or Iran. Too religious for N. Korea. Iraq may pull out of it, but it's probably the most dangerous for the average Joe right now. I can't deal with the US's little steps to theocracy so Iran's theocracy would scare me to no end. Hmmm... I think Iran, because the government would probably deffinately go after me, where as in Iraq, they don't have government yet, so no organized manhunt.
Jordaxia
22-09-2005, 19:33
waagh... I could tolerate Russia and the USA, but Iran, Iraq and NK are places that dead tie. I couldn't handle the religious theocracy of Iran, the danger of Iraq, or the sheer numbing propoganda and oppression of NK.

Wouldn't mind seeing the USA, but it has certain ideological differences to me.
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 19:37
I wish I had made this poll public.
Andaluciae
22-09-2005, 19:38
Any place where you have earthquakes on the routine, and property prices are sky high.
Laenis
22-09-2005, 19:40
There is a reason that I put the USA on the list. Simply put, there are some people that would rather live in a Theocracy, or an extremely corrupt Socialist State, than the United States.

When would that ever be a choice?

I'm tired of people saying "You say America isn't the most perfect place in the world, but look at North Korea, Iran etc!"

Of course no one with a right mind would prefer to live in a third world country to America - just a lot of people would prefer to live in places like Canada, New Zealand, the UK or Northen Europe.
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 19:43
When would that ever be a choice?

I'm tired of people saying "You say America isn't the most perfect place in the world, but look at North Korea, Iran etc!"

Of course no one with a right mind would prefer to live in a third world country to America - just a lot of people would prefer to live in places like Canada, New Zealand, the UK or Northen Europe.

But that's not the point of the thread. Of course anyone with a right mind would rather live in Canada or New Zealand compared to Iran or North Korea.
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 19:49
Bad places to live...

...one of the many "hidden" slums, Reservations, or communities that replicate Third-World conditions in First World nations. Because no one gives a shit about you...if they even realise you exist. Let's 'liberate' our own damn poor and oppressed for a change.
Frangland
22-09-2005, 19:54
Obviously, the most tranquil place by far is the United States... lol. whoever voted for the US must have been joking.

I chose North Korea because the people there are STARVING... their socialistic economy has failed, kim jong-il spends probably at least half his money on his military... and has to beg the US/UN/Developed World for food.

It's also one of those states where you have almost no freedom of speech... say a cross word and get shot.

Obviously Iraq and Iran would be bad, too, but imo North Korea takes the cake.
Frangland
22-09-2005, 19:55
Bad places to live...

...one of the many "hidden" slums, Reservations, or communities that replicate Third-World conditions in First World nations. Because no one gives a shit about you...if they even realise you exist. Let's 'liberate' our own damn poor and oppressed for a change.

...or start expecting them to liberate themselves instead of treating them like children.

it is human nature to strive more earnestly when your peers expect great things from you than when they expect you to fail.
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 19:55
Interesting...7 people have voted for the United States as being the worst place to live, yet I have not seen one reason why the US is worse than any of the other nations listed.
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 19:56
...or start expecting them to liberate themselves instead of treating them like children.
Do that across the board then.
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 19:58
Interesting...7 people have voted for the United States as being the worst place to live, yet I have not seen one reason why the US is worse than any of the other nations listed.
Perhaps people don't feel like backing their feelings up...especially since it will only turn into a flame war? You asked for opinions...people voted. Opinions don't have to be rational.
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 20:00
Perhaps people don't feel like backing their feelings up...especially since it will only turn into a flame war? You asked for opinions...people voted. Opinions don't have to be rational.

Reasons don't have to be rational, eather. I would just like some sort of explination. Is that too much to ask?
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:00
Reasons don't have to be rational, eather. I would just like some sort of explination. Is that too much to ask?
*shrugs*

You've asked.
Fass
22-09-2005, 20:01
Interesting...7 people have voted for the United States as being the worst place to live, yet I have not seen one reason why the US is worse than any of the other nations listed.

Disappointed that your bait is so rancid none will bite?
Frangland
22-09-2005, 20:02
Interesting...7 people have voted for the United States as being the worst place to live, yet I have not seen one reason why the US is worse than any of the other nations listed.

it's the "I hate the USA no matter what" vote

although someone did say that he was an "axis of evil" tourist

be that as it may, as long as you don't do any terrorist/criminal stuff in the US, you are more or less FREE and SAFE... which is a lot more than can be said for Iraq (currently), Iran and North Korea.
Amoebistan
22-09-2005, 20:02
Bad places to live...

...one of the many "hidden" slums, Reservations, or communities that replicate Third-World conditions in First World nations. Because no one gives a shit about you...if they even realise you exist. Let's 'liberate' our own damn poor and oppressed for a change.
[Initiate Liberalisme]
Why? The only people who are poor are wastes of human life. The only people who are oppressed are those who lie down instead of pushing back and making a fuss. Why should we help them?
[Exit Liberalisme]
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:04
I wouldn't really want to live in any of those countries. However, were I to choose the place I'd least want to live in, it would be the US. Here are my reasons:

1) I like expanding my horizons. The US is too similiar to Canadian culture to be exciting.

2) I'm assuming I would be moving for work, and not running to one of those countries as a penniless refugee. I have friends in every country listed except for Iraq, working with Canadian mineral or petroleum companies, or teaching English and their standard of living is high. So I don't make the assumption that my life would automatically be miserable, though certain precautions would be necessary.
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 20:04
Disappointed that your bait is so rancid none will bite?

This "bait" was a legitimate attempt at dialogue. Believe me, if I wanted this to be Flamebaitish, I could have.

The people voting for North Korea have explained. Why can' the people voting for the United States do the same?
Frangland
22-09-2005, 20:05
Do that across the board then.

poor analogy

native americans living on reservations in the US are free to travel anywhere they want to, live wherever they want to, take any job they want to, go to any school they want to -- just like every other american. they are free to succeed or fail just like every other american.

iraqis were not free much under saddam... at least not those who feared that Saddam's goons would have them arrested/tortured/killed. they could not improve their situation simply by their own actions. they needed help.

caveats: yes, it is easier for some to succeed in america than it is for others... we're not all equally driven, intelligent, lucky, etc.

also... it's possible that i misread your analogy. if so, i humbly apologize. hehe
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:05
[Initiate Liberalisme]
Why? The only people who are poor are wastes of human life. The only people who are oppressed are those who lie down instead of pushing back and making a fuss. Why should we help them?
[Exit Liberalisme]
No e necessary on Liberalism.

And as Fass reminded me, it's not nice to feed the trolls.
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 20:06
I wouldn't really want to live in any of those countries. However, were I to choose the place I'd least want to live in, it would be the US. Here are my reasons:

1) I like expanding my horizons. The US is too similiar to Canadian culture to be exciting.

2) I'm assuming I would be moving for work, and not running to one of those countries as a penniless refugee. I have friends in every country listed except for Iraq, working with Canadian mineral or petroleum companies, or teaching English and their standard of living is high. So I don't make the assumption that my life would automatically be miserable, though certain precautions would be necessary.

Thank you for explaining yourself. I appreciate that.
Amoebistan
22-09-2005, 20:07
No e necessary on Liberalism.
In the US and (I think) in Canada and England, "liberalism" is associated with a caring, communitarian ideology. So I used the French word which I know is associated with an anarcho-capitalist ideology.
Stephistan
22-09-2005, 20:08
Interesting...7 people have voted for the United States as being the worst place to live, yet I have not seen one reason why the US is worse than any of the other nations listed.

I actually voted Iraq.. but I can give you one good reason.

George. W. Bush!
Fass
22-09-2005, 20:08
This "bait" was a legitimate attempt at dialogue. Believe me, if I wanted this to be Flamebaitish, I could have.

Not flamebait - trollbait, which itself is trolling, coincidentally.

The people voting for North Korea have explained. Why can' the people voting for the United States do the same?

Probably because they know you're there, waiting to pounce on them. Or because they simply voted for the US to annoy those protective of the US, and can see that they have succeeded without revealing themselves.
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:09
In the US and (I think) in Canada and England, "liberalism" is associated with a caring, communitarian ideology. So I used the French word which I know is associated with an anarcho-capitalist ideology.
The various definitions of Liberalism/liberalism/liberalsime/liberalismo are so misunderstood, misrepresented and misused around here, that you're better off just stating "this is the position I'm stating" and writing a paragraph for clarity, than assuming people are going to get which version you're using :D
Fass
22-09-2005, 20:10
In the US and (I think) in Canada and England, "liberalism" is associated with a caring, communitarian ideology. So I used the French word which I know is associated with an anarcho-capitalist ideology.

Thank you! The US/UK/Canadian liberal = left-wing can get tiresome at times...
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:11
I actually voted Iraq.. but I can give you one good reason.

George. W. Bush!
I thought that rumour about having to sleep with him in order to become a US citizen was false??? :eek:
Spooty
22-09-2005, 20:11
although someone did say that he was an "axis of evil" tourist

I am not somone, i am Spooty! Vaya A Spooteyo

I wouldn't mind going on holiday in Russia, N Korea, Iraq, Iran especially Russia, but then any foreign country that isn't France is good.
FRS Haters
22-09-2005, 20:12
I couldn't live in America. I couldn't live any place where the general voting population insist on voting in a complete tit. :headbang:
Stephistan
22-09-2005, 20:12
I thought that rumour about having to sleep with him in order to become a US citizen was false??? :eek:

Huh? :confused:
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 20:13
Probably because they know you're there, waiting to pounce on them. Or because they simply voted for the US to annoy those protective of the US, and can see that they have succeeded without revealing themselves.

Why would I pounce on them if they had a reason to believe that living in the United States is worse than the other places listed. Do I have a reputation of being a protective of the United States?

I didn't pounce on Sinuhue when she offered hers. Why would I pounce on others?
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:14
Huh? :confused:
Well all you said was his name...I just jumped to assumptions as to why you would avoid the US because of him.
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 20:14
I couldn't live in America. I couldn't live any place where the general voting population insist on voting in a complete tit. :headbang:

Could you please clarify your position? It would be much appreciated.
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:15
Why would I pounce on them if they had a reason to believe that living in the United States is worse than the other places listed. Do I have a reputation of being a protective of the United States?

I didn't pounce on Sinuhue when she offered hers. Why would I pounce on others?
That's because there is nothing you could pounce on in what I said. My distaste for the US aside, my reasons were rational and thought out. You're waiting for "I hate the US".

We all know it. Admit it. Move on.
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:17
Could you please clarify your position? It would be much appreciated.
Don't be coy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9683676&postcount=45).
Stephistan
22-09-2005, 20:18
Well all you said was his name...I just jumped to assumptions as to why you would avoid the US because of him.

Oh, hehe, no I would avoid the USA because he's an all around dick who is so out of touch with reality that my 7 year old says "That's the bad man mommy" when he sees him on TV..lol
Fass
22-09-2005, 20:19
Why would I pounce on them if they had a reason to believe that living in the United States is worse than the other places listed. Do I have a reputation of being a protective of the United States?

I haven't noticed you that much, but I have an inkling that you are. You're American, no?

I didn't pounce on Sinuhue when she offered hers.

Because Sinuhue was very meticulous in not giving anything that could be pounced on. I can imagine the consternation over that from some who are probably lurking this thread as we speak.

Why would I pounce on others?

Because you're baiting. Why else have the US and Russia in with those countries? You were hoping to flush some "anti-American" out for some purpose. And seeing as things go in these threads, I doubt it's for a spot of tea and crumpets.
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 20:19
Don't be coy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9683676&postcount=45).

Ohhhh... I'm sorry, I didn't understand the wording of the text. I do understand now.
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:20
Because you're baiting. Why else have the US and Russia in with those countries? You were hoping to flush some "anti-American" out for some purpose. And seeing as things go in these threads, I doubt it's for a spot of tea and crumpets.
Awwww.....*leaves*
Amoebistan
22-09-2005, 20:21
Thank you! The US/UK/Canadian liberal = left-wing can get tiresome at times...
You learn things, doing research for an Econ paper. If students here in the US were required to do intensive reading-research work from the beginnnig of middle school, we'd be much better off as a nation in teaching people the language, as well as teaching them how to think critically.

Perhaps, in teaching critical-thinking skills, we will also decrease the prevalence of religion. I don't think I would mind that terribly, though.
Legless Pirates
22-09-2005, 20:22
there's a war going on in Iraq so I guess Iraq.
Frangland
22-09-2005, 20:26
I couldn't live in America. I couldn't live any place where the general voting population insist on voting in a complete tit. :headbang:

so... you'd rather starve and not be able to speak your mind for fear of being shot (North Korea)... or live in fear of a car-bombing insurgent blowing you up(Iraq)... or live with no religious freedom or rights for women (Iran).

Yeah, the US is definitely worse than those three countries.

(come on, haters, you've got to come up with better reasons that the tripe you've posted thus far. Fass was right.. there's no reason to have the USA on this list other than to call out the USA haters)
The South Islands
22-09-2005, 20:29
Because you're baiting. Why else have the US and Russia in with those countries? You were hoping to flush some "anti-American" out for some purpose. And seeing as things go in these threads, I doubt it's for a spot of tea and crumpets.

I am NOT baiting! Perhaps you should consider that here is no sinister purpose in my posting! Perhaps I really wanted to get opinions and reasoning from people! Unlike some people on this forum, I try to be as genuine as possible. I do NOT have any sinister motives! I do not want to promote a flame war, or any crap like that.

There are plenty of threads dull of flames. Why in the world would I create my own?
Amoebistan
22-09-2005, 20:31
There's no reason to have the US on this list in this company, perhaps. However, there are a number of people who, for whatever reason, would choose to live in countries other than the US. Some people were born in other countries and love their homelands so much they would rather not leave. Some people like the fact that medical care is more available in their home countries. Some people like the fact that in their homelands, treatment of the mentally ill and infant and maternal mortality are worthy of a first-world country.

There are a lot of reasons not to want to live in the US. Few people, with all the information available to them, would choose to live in most of the other countries listed. But the US is far from perfect in many ways and there are places, if you have specific interests to look after, which are better for living in than here.
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:35
so... you'd rather starve and not be able to speak your mind for fear of being shot (North Korea)... or live in fear of a car-bombing insurgent blowing you up(Iraq)... or live with no religious freedom or rights for women (Iran).

Yeah, the US is definitely worse than those three countries.

(come on, haters, you've got to come up with better reasons that the tripe you've posted thus far. Fass was right.. there's no reason to have the USA on this list other than to call out the USA haters)
Again, you are making the assumption that CHOSING to live in one of those countries (other than the US) would mean you were going in as a penniless refugee, at the mercy of all. Plenty of people live quite comfortably in all of the countries listed...and plenty don't. It's not automatic wealth or automatic squalor.
Dishonorable Scum
22-09-2005, 20:37
North Korea seems to be winning by a mile, and with good reason. It's almost as if the North Korean government mistook George Orwell's 1984 for a blueprint for an ideal society.

:rolleyes:
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:37
There's no reason to have the US on this list in this company, perhaps. However, there are a number of people who, for whatever reason, would choose to live in countries other than the US. Some people were born in other countries and love their homelands so much they would rather not leave. Some people like the fact that medical care is more available in their home countries. Some people like the fact that in their homelands, treatment of the mentally ill and infant and maternal mortality are worthy of a first-world country.

There are a lot of reasons not to want to live in the US. Few people, with all the information available to them, would choose to live in most of the other countries listed. But the US is far from perfect in many ways and there are places, if you have specific interests to look after, which are better for living in than here.
Bless you. In a totally atheist way:).

Were I Muslim, the US would not be my choice.
Were I pro-communist, the US would not be my choice.
Were I a gun-runner, I'd probably deal with the US, but from my comfy mansion in Minsk :D

And Iran is hardly the cesspool Frangland wants to paint it as.
FRS Haters
22-09-2005, 20:37
Erm, let me see. There have been two complete moronic presidents, both called Bush. Now in my opinion Bush Snr was better, not much, and was still a moron. Funny how the american population were then not warned off bush jnr, obviously they haven't heard of the saying like father, like son. Now what was it Chris Rock said? Oh yeah, the three most powerful men in America are called Bush, Dick and Colon. Hmmmm, that can't be a coincidence can it?

Have you not noticed the vote? Considering America is supposed to be such a good place to live, it is running 2nd in the poll. Now what does that say? I think it speaks volumns, and probably better than I can say. I find that Americans on the whole are insular, (I get asked so many dumb ass questions by American tourists where I live), and they always act like they own the place. Maybe I have never met a nice American. (Anyone remember the Spiting Image song I've never met a nice South African?).

America don't care who or what they shoot at, why they're shooting and expect everyone to come around to their way of thinking. Plus the fact that they like to re write history, ignore their own human rights violations, (Korean war, Vietnam, Guantanomo Bay/Iraq). They have appointed themselves ruler of the world, and right now at this time I fear America more than any other nation or group. They are unpredictable, don't strike me as having a stable foreign policy and when you strip away the bones of their arguements only do what is best for them alone, regardless of what they say. Under their president in power right now, I don't trust them.
Sinuhue
22-09-2005, 20:58
I guess all you had to do was wait...
Eastern Baltia
22-09-2005, 21:19
Of course Russia is the worst place to live. Terrible country, terrible people, terrible customs...
There are over 200 neo nazi organisations counted there. Keep away from that evil empire. Soviet Union and current Russia is one and the same.

And for those of you, who are loving that miserable country, should live there for 1 year, and you will run like hell from there. :gundge:
Yupaenu
22-09-2005, 21:25
hmm, either iran or U.S. iran's a theocracy, and us is just anarchy at a point where it's not enough to turn it into a totalitarian state(as happens in nature).
Frangland
22-09-2005, 21:34
Again, you are making the assumption that CHOSING to live in one of those countries (other than the US) would mean you were going in as a penniless refugee, at the mercy of all. Plenty of people live quite comfortably in all of the countries listed...and plenty don't. It's not automatic wealth or automatic squalor.

this is the poll question:

Which of these places would you least like to live in

i cannot believe that any liberalised woman would rather live in Iran, Iraq or North Korea than the united states.

or that anyone with an appetite (hehe) would rather live in north korea than the united states

or that anyone who values safety and freedom would rather live in Iran, Iraq or NK than the US

if you were a communist who valued your politics more than getting food on your table, I could see preferring NK to the US.

If you were a muslim who valued your religion over your safety, I could see how you might favor Iraq over the US.

If you were a muslim woman who didn't mind walking ten (or however many) paces behind a man and wearing full-length black clothing all the time, I could see how you might favor Iran over the US.

but in terms of overall freedom, overall safety and overall standard of living, the United states is superior to Iran, Iraq and North Korea for the average person.
Frangland
22-09-2005, 21:44
Erm, let me see. There have been two complete moronic presidents, both called Bush. Now in my opinion Bush Snr was better, not much, and was still a moron. Funny how the american population were then not warned off bush jnr, obviously they haven't heard of the saying like father, like son. Now what was it Chris Rock said? Oh yeah, the three most powerful men in America are called Bush, Dick and Colon. Hmmmm, that can't be a coincidence can it?

Have you not noticed the vote? Considering America is supposed to be such a good place to live, it is running 2nd in the poll. Now what does that say? I think it speaks volumns, and probably better than I can say. I find that Americans on the whole are insular, (I get asked so many dumb ass questions by American tourists where I live), and they always act like they own the place. Maybe I have never met a nice American. (Anyone remember the Spiting Image song I've never met a nice South African?).

America don't care who or what they shoot at, why they're shooting and expect everyone to come around to their way of thinking. Plus the fact that they like to re write history, ignore their own human rights violations, (Korean war, Vietnam, Guantanomo Bay/Iraq). They have appointed themselves ruler of the world, and right now at this time I fear America more than any other nation or group. They are unpredictable, don't strike me as having a stable foreign policy and when you strip away the bones of their arguements only do what is best for them alone, regardless of what they say. Under their president in power right now, I don't trust them.

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I just can't let this detritus slide:

yes, freeing oppressed people is far more evil than letting them continue to suffer under a sociopath (Saddam) or a really backwards group of bad men (Taliban).

Facts:

George W. Bush is a president of action -- kill terrorists, remove saddam, remove the taliban. When there is an opportunity to make the world better, imo we must take it. Saddam (the one whom 80% of Iraqis feared) is gone. The Taliban (who wished to keep Afghanistan a backwards, suffering nation)is either out of power or greatly weakened. Our taxes are far lower than they were under Clinton (who taxed us more than anyone since FDR), which means that Americans have more financial freedom -- freedom to spend more of what they earn. If you want to rip on Bush, quite valid arguments could be made that he has failed to coerce Congress into coming up with a balanced budget... he has waffled some on free trade/job security... he (ultimately some of the responsibility is his) is responsible for some of the mix-up at the federal level in responding to Katrina. But he (nor the US) should not be ripped on for WANTING TO HELP PEOPLE BECOME FREER when they couldn't do it themselves.
Stankistia
22-09-2005, 21:49
Hi, I'm Joe Average! I like the United States because even though our president sucks ass, we aren't dead yet! (3 more years, dammit, only 3!) I'm not Muslim, so Iran wouldn't work. Carbombing doesn't suit me, so no Iraq (And because I'm average, I'd end up living on an average street which would probably have soldiers on it, making it a target.). I'm not a communist, and I like eating, so no NK for me! That leaves either Russia or the US to live in. Well since Russia still gets 80% of carbs from potatoes and byproducts (vodka), I like variety. US for me! (I voted for North Korea in the poll, by the way - 1984 isn't too far off.)

Now then, why I WOULDN'T want to live in the US:
- Oversuspicion of Muslims (Iran would be much better. Unless you were a woman.)
- Our president sucks ass
- We've pissed off everybody
- Our president sucks ass
- We've shit on everything that costs tycoons money at the expense of the common taxpayer and the environment
- Our president sucks ass
- We're almost a theocracy
- Our president sucks ass
- Our big cities release a shitload of toxic smog
- No matter how bad our president is, the next 15 or so people in line for the job are just as bad
- We live next to Canada (Nothing against Canadians, I just wouldn't live there. Or go there at all. Probably best for both of us.)
- Our minimum wage law is the only thing that gets most of us any money at all (Think about it, if there was no minimum wage, they wouldn't have to pay you anything. Would they?)
- It's incredibly hard to get a small business off the ground due to the near monopolies by huge corporations
- Our president sucks ass
Rhursbourg
22-09-2005, 22:08
Places I wouldnt like to live in

Boston

Hull

Skegness

Mablethorpe

Scunthorpe