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Sometime in August I read an editorial in the New York Times about the beef industry. Apparently a slaughter house in Kansas wished to check for mad cow disease in their beef so they asked the FDA for the kit. The FDA however said no because it will put too much pressure on other slaughter houses to check for the disease. Basically it might be hard on big business. Is everything done for money in this country. It seems that way. The FDA is now under large criticism apparently, but do we ever hear about it? Not unless we try too. The only sensible thing to do is to boycott beef until there are mandatory checks for Mad cow. The whole FDA system should be revamped too, I would say its the most corrupt organization in the US today.

I'm not boycotting beef. I may boycott the FDA though. I'll only eat food and take drugs that it hasn't approved.

I'm not boycotting beef. I may boycott the FDA though. I'll only eat food and take drugs that it hasn't approved.

sounds good,ill support you!teeheehee,i live in ireland,nothing is fda approved

This is definately something I'll do without any kind of respectable substantiation. I will totally take the word of some person on the internet.

sounds good,ill support you!teeheehee,i live in ireland,nothing is fda approved
Nothing Irish is FDA approved? Ok, I'll subsist on Guiness, Harp, soda bread, corned beef, cabbage, and potatos.

just buy and eat free range organic stuff

better for you and is also good for the organic co-ops that although struggling against the intense competition from big business, are still steadily growing bigger.

This is definately something I'll do without any kind of respectable substantiation. I will totally take the word of some person on the internet.

You let strangers on teh Internets govern you, too? And I thought I was the only one who got to do that! Slut. ;) :fluffle:

Nope. I will not boycott beef because of some unsubstantiated talk.

just buy and eat free range organic stuff

better for you and is also good for the organic co-ops that although struggling against the intense competition from big business, are still steadily growing bigger.

Yeah i buy that stuff but if you're eating out than you cant always get what you want. But if I try sometimes, Ill find Ill get what I need (FDA aproved beef) What I need, could someday kill me.

Sometime in August I read an editorial in the New York Times about the beef industry. Apparently a slaughter house in Kansas wished to check for mad cow disease in their beef so they asked the FDA for the kit. The FDA however said no because it will put too much pressure on other slaughter houses to check for the disease. Basically it might be hard on big business. Is everything done for money in this country. It seems that way. The FDA is now under large criticism apparently, but do we ever hear about it? Not unless we try too. The only sensible thing to do is to boycott beef until there are mandatory checks for Mad cow. The whole FDA system should be revamped too, I would say its the most corrupt organization in the US today.

Yeah, right.

No evidence, no link, no proof you aren't with PETA.

Fuck that shit.

And even if it was true, the FDA aren't in the U.K last time I checked.

Nope. I will not boycott beef because of some unsubstantiated talk.

In that case Ill look out for an outbreak of Mad Cow among humans in LA.

In that case Ill look out for an outbreak of Mad Cow among humans in LA.

AN outbreak?!?

You seriously suggest that one case in a country of millions will prove your point???

Mad Cow, Cancer, Unlucky Plane Ticket, it doesn't matter. We're all gonna die sooner or later. Pass the Prime Rib.

No thanks, I like beef, and some random person I don't know saying he read an editorial in some newspaper should not be expected to change my dietary habits.

Yeah, right.

No evidence, no link, no proof you aren't with PETA.

Fuck that shit.

And even if it was true, the FDA aren't in the U.K last time I checked.

Yeah you're right, thats what I do, I go around to random forums and make stuff up. My name is actually sunshine tea-leave. Im a hippie with PETA I just had a hunch the FDA is up to something and I have nothing better to do than start scares in people.

In that case Ill look out for an outbreak of Mad Cow among humans in LA.

Oh grow up. An outbreak? How about nothing? There will be no outbreak. There has been one case of mad cow in this country. You know how many people eat beef?

Yeah you're right, thats what I do, I go around to random forums and make stuff up. My name is actually sunshine tea-leave. Im a hippie with PETA I just had a hunch the FDA is up to something and I have nothing better to do than start scares in people.
No shit? Why do you do it?

Yeah you're right, thats what I do, I go around to random forums and make stuff up. My name is actually sunshine tea-leave. Im a hippie with PETA I just had a hunch the FDA is up to something and I have nothing better to do than start scares in people.

Hey, sunshine, you wouldn't believe some of the people we get on these forums.

AN outbreak?!?

You seriously suggest that one case in a country of millions will prove your point???

Well i suppose he has a family or some group of people who care about him who will also be eating this beef. Maybe he is just lonely though and eats a lot of processed beef and doesnt want to give that up so he'll tell himself that Im making this up.

The whole FDA system should be revamped too, I would say its the most corrupt organization in the US today.


You know I laughed out loud when I read this. You obviously are not American or you would not have said that. The most corrupt organization is the FCC.

Hey, sunshine, you wouldn't believe some of the people we get on these forums.

Yeah I bet

You know I laughed out loud when I read this. You obviously are not American or you would not have said that. The most corrupt organization is the FCC.
Shhh! They'll fine you for saying that.

No shit? Why do you do it?

To spread the word: LOVE

oh and LEGALIZE WEED!

Yeah you're right, thats what I do, I go around to random forums and make stuff up. My name is actually sunshine tea-leave. Im a hippie with PETA I just had a hunch the FDA is up to something and I have nothing better to do than start scares in people.

Well, it's a nice night for it, moonbeam.

Well i suppose he has a family or some group of people who care about him who will also be eating this beef. Maybe he is just lonely though and eats a lot of processed beef and doesnt want to give that up so he'll tell himself that Im making this up.

You don't know what I eat. And you are acting totally ridiculous. I eat beef at restaurants and I have BBQs every now and then. Not some PETA person is going to tell me what to do. And what does my family have to do with this? Beef is a part of my diet.

There is some risk in eating anything. There is some risk in crossing the struck. These risks are very, very, very small if the proper precautions are taken.

Oh grow up. An outbreak? How about nothing? There will be no outbreak. There has been one case of mad cow in this country. You know how many people eat beef?

Actually there have been two KNOWN cases.

Well, it's a nice night for it, moonbeam.
It's still day over here, proving once again that the sun never sets on the NS general empire.

Well i suppose he has a family or some group of people who care about him who will also be eating this beef. Maybe he is just lonely though and eats a lot of processed beef and doesnt want to give that up so he'll tell himself that Im making this up.

Are you talking to me in the third person? That sort of thing can only work in a face-to-face situation, mate.

And I don't belive you're lying, but I don't know if your telling the truth. Would you belive me if I said we should boycott T.V because it gives you lung cancer? Without any proof whatsoever? I think not.

Actually there have been two KNOWN cases.

Oh please. You think that proves your case? No it doesn't. Two cases. big deal.

You don't know what I eat. And you are acting totally ridiculous. I eat beef at restaurants and I have BBQs every now and then. Not some PETA person is going to tell me what to do. And what does my family have to do with this? Beef is a part of my diet.

There is some risk in eating anything. There is some risk in crossing the struck. These risks are very, very, very small if the proper precautions are taken.

You mean the precautions like checking cows for mad cow. Yeah Im sure glad we do that here, oh wait, we dont? Oh yeah thats why I started this thread, to raise awareness of that fact.

It's still day over here, proving once again that the sun never sets on the NS general empire.

Well, it's set here. Five to midnight, and I'm peckish but have no beef. Quorn will have to do.

You mean the precautions like checking cows for mad cow. Yeah Im sure glad we do that here, oh wait, we dont? Oh yeah thats why I started this thread, to raise awareness of that fact.

you don't know what you're talking about. you speak with zero evidence, and zero sources. So therefore I think you are lying. Raise awareness of what? Some of the unsubstantiated rhetoric you been spewing?

You mean the precautions like checking cows for mad cow. Yeah Im sure glad we do that here, oh wait, we dont? Oh yeah thats why I started this thread, to raise awareness of that fact.

Prove it damnit!

We are in page 3 and there still isn't any link! No evidence!

Are you talking to me in the third person? That sort of thing can only work in a face-to-face situation, mate.

And I don't belive you're lying, but I don't know if your telling the truth. Would you belive me if I said we should boycott T.V because it gives you lung cancer? Without any proof whatsoever? I think not.

T.V. giving you lung cancer is different than saying a cow with mad cow could give you infected beef.

Well, it's set here. Five to midnight, and I'm peckish but have no beef. Quorn will have to do.
Quorn? Is that anything like Corn? Is it some kind of Swedish or Norwegian dish?

you don't know what you're talking about. you speak with zero evidence, and zero sources. So therefore I think you are lying. Raise awareness of what? Some of the unsubstantiated rhetoric you been spewing?

There is proof, I dont have a link, sometimes you just have to get your lazy heides and find the proof because the internet certainly isnt talking about mad cow. This was in a newspaper. Im beyond caring what you think. If you'd rather spend a dollar less to get FDA aproved beef than organic beef go ahead. The thing is no one on this forum will ever get mad cow disease from eating infected beef, but someone somewhere will.

Quorn? Is that anything like Corn? Is it some kind of Swedish or Norwegian dish?

http://www.quorn.us/

It's a sort of vegetarian meat replacement "made with mycoprotein, from the fungi family - and a relative of mushrooms, truffles, and morel, that offers a strong nutritional profile and an authentic meat-like texture."

Yum!

I don't think that anyone really takes mad cow disease seriously as a health threat...after all, two cases in a country with a population in the hundreds of millions is a ridiculously small number. You might as well worry about being struck by lightning, since the chances of that happening are orders of magnitude greater. The troubling thing here is that the FDA is not only siding with big business, it is actually preventing a company from carrying out what should be a routine health check, because it would make other companies look bad--in short, the total opposite of what the FDA's responsibilities are supposed to be. If this is true, this is a sickening instance of corruption.

I'm not going to worry about eating beef though--for one thing, I never eat beef anyway. The reason? I don't like how it tastes. And it's expensive.

I thought the mad cow disease only infected the cows brain and the beef was still okay. i can't say I know for sure because since I'm vegetarian I don't have to worry about that stuff so I don't research it.

Oh please. You think that proves your case? No it doesn't. Two cases. big deal.

Thats two times they've found mad cow in a cow. What about the millions of cows they dont check huh? You think just because they havent found it its not there? cows are rarely checked, so for all we know each year there could be dozens of infected cows getting processed, there could be done, but well never know because they dont get checked. Well we will know once people start getting the disease.

Nobody is interested in jokes about my infected beef.

I was.

http://www.quorn.us/

It's a sort of vegetarian meat replacement "made with mycoprotein, from the fungi family - and a relative of mushrooms, truffles, and morel, that offers a strong nutritional profile and an authentic meat-like texture."

Yum!


It is indeed delicious - I use quorn turkey on Thanksgiving!

There is proof, I dont have a link, sometimes you just have to get your lazy heides and find the proof because the internet certainly isnt talking about mad cow. This was in a newspaper. Im beyond caring what you think. If you'd rather spend a dollar less to get FDA aproved beef than organic beef go ahead. The thing is no one on this forum will ever get mad cow disease from eating infected beef, but someone somewhere will.

Nope. There is not proof because you can't fucking back yourself up. Provide evidence then maybe I'll believe you. But as far as I'm concerned you are just some guy on the internet saying it is so. Who is the lazy one now? You are the one because you won't back yourself up. This was in a newspaper? PROVE IT. I'm not buying organic beef because it is far more expensive.

Boycott beef!?!?! OMFG! You bastard! :D

Sorry no can do man, I love my FDA Approved AAA Grade Beef made here in my home state! Nothing better then eating a hamburger while browsing the NS General Forums! :p

There is proof, I dont have a link, sometimes you just have to get your lazy heides and find the proof because the internet certainly isnt talking about mad cow. This was in a newspaper. Im beyond caring what you think. If you'd rather spend a dollar less to get FDA aproved beef than organic beef go ahead. The thing is no one on this forum will ever get mad cow disease from eating infected beef, but someone somewhere will.

Why don't you do it? You started it after all.

T.V. giving you lung cancer is different than saying a cow with mad cow could give you infected beef.

Not really. Neither have any real proof.

Actually there is some proof for the T.V cancer thing: here. (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/noblemen/Evidence.jpg)

More than what you have presented.

For those who want proof which I dont have SORRY, look in the Aug 12 New York Times editorials.

http://www.quorn.us/

It's a sort of vegetarian meat replacement "made with mycoprotein, from the fungi family - and a relative of mushrooms, truffles, and morel, that offers a strong nutritional profile and an authentic meat-like texture."

Yum!
Fake meat? Doesn't sound too appetizing.

It is indeed delicious - I use quorn turkey on Thanksgiving!

Don't tell me they shape it into the appearance of a turkey!

Thats two times they've found mad cow in a cow. What about the millions of cows they dont check huh? You think just because they havent found it its not there? cows are rarely checked, so for all we know each year there could be dozens of infected cows getting processed, there could be done, but well never know because they dont get checked. Well we will know once people start getting the disease.

OH YES. The slippery slope fallacy. Your little emotional outbursts don't convince me one bit. You again don't back yourself up on everything and rely on fallacious statements. "We will know once people start getting the disease"? What are you? Stupid?

It is indeed delicious - I use quorn turkey on Thanksgiving!

You sick bastard.

For those who want proof which I dont have SORRY, look in the Aug 12 New York Times editorials.

Yah, and for those of us who are unable to pull the August 12th NYT out of our arses...?

Listen, either shut up or do what you should have done in the first place: give us evidence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/10/national/nationalspecial2/10COW.html?ex=1396929600&en=cfed690f1e01ded8&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

Is this the article you were talking about?

Facts were a little off, but here is the article you mentioned:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A15855-2004Apr15&notFound=true

Fake meat? Doesn't sound too appetizing.

It's actually quite tasty. I use it instead of mince (or as it's called in the US "ground beef") in things like tacos and spaghetti sauces.

Don't tell me they shape it into the appearance of a turkey!


they don't it's more like a log. it's called a turkey roast or something.

Would you belive me if I said we should boycott T.V because it gives you lung cancer? Without any proof whatsoever?

sure would.

*screams and waves her arms at evrrybody approaching the tv*
BOYCOTT TV! it gives you lung cancer!

OH YES. The slippery slope fallacy. Your little emotional outbursts don't convince me one bit. You again don't back yourself up on everything and rely on fallacious statements. "We will know once people start getting the disease"? What are you? Stupid?

Stupid in the sence of not being able to put a newspaper on the internet, but in the sence of not eating bad beef Im actually pretty smart. I told you the paper already August 12 New york times editorial look it up for yourself, go to the library. Or maybe i can try pushing the newspaper into the computer, its worth a shot. If the 12 doesnt work try getting the 11th, 13th, 26th and 27th, those are the only other times I got the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/10/national/nationalspecial2/10COW.html?ex=1396929600&en=cfed690f1e01ded8&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

Is this the article you were talking about?

Its the same article, but its a year before I read it, I couldnt find the editorial in the time frame I searched, but thanks a million anyway for putting that one up.

Stupid in the sence of not being able to put a newspaper on the internet, but in the sence of not eating bad beef Im actually pretty smart. I told you the paper already August 12 New york times editorial look it up for yourself, go to the library. Or maybe i can try pushing the newspaper into the computer, its worth a shot. If the 12 doesnt work try getting the 11th, 13th, 26th and 27th, those are the only other times I got the NYT.

Well someone else had to do it for you. Additionally, it seems like the tests were not warranted. Eating bad beef? BEEF IS SO BAD... OMFG. :rolleyes: i don't think so.

It is still an editorial.. meaning an opinion piece. It isn't factual. You don't tell me what to do either. If you want to make a thread you better back yourself up.

Please, stop lying. Your little rants didn't even match up with the article.

So, like, isn't Mad Cow that shock jock out of Chicago or something?

they don't it's more like a log. it's called a turkey roast or something.

Oh... I must say I'm a bit disappointed now. You yanks are supposed to do wacky things that. Haven't you got the memo?

Its the same article, but its a year before I read it, I couldnt find the editorial in the time frame I searched, but thanks a million anyway for putting that one up.

its the same article but from a different year?

Hey, now we have evidence I'm more willing to mlisten to what you have to say. But I'm still not boycotting beef. I get British beef you see.

Listen. your new. Welcome to NS. But from now on source your statements where necessary. Please?

So, like, isn't Mad Cow that shock jock out of Chicago or something?
Nah, that's Man Cow, he was freaking funny though, downloaded some of his stuff from his old website. :D

Don't tell me they shape it into the appearance of a turkey!

oh, i eat it as well, and yes, they shape it into all different kind of forms. i had some shaped like sausages, and some shaped like hamburger patties, and some with those dark stripes on it as if it had been barbecued, and some in the shape of chicken nuggets..oh it comes however you want it, basically. and the fub fact is, they somehow manage to make it actually taste like sausage, hamburger,chicken..you name it. it's amazing stuff.

And no I'm not eating fake beef. :rolleyes:

And no I'm not eating fake beef. :rolleyes:
So you're not worried about Man Cow?

Must...resist...joke...about...having...meat...in...my...mouth...

So you're not worried about Man Cow?
Roflmfao!

Mad Cow = Diesease(sp?)
Man Cow = Shock jock out of Chicago

oh, i eat it as well, and yes, they shape it into all different kind of forms. i had some shaped like sausages, and some shaped like hamburger patties, and some with those dark stripes on it as if it had been barbecued, and some in the shape of chicken nuggets..oh it comes however you want it, basically. and the fub fact is, they somehow manage to make it actually taste like sausage, hamburger,chicken..you name it. it's amazing stuff.

I know, it's great, but I was asking if they made it look like a real turkey, that you could display. Apparently not. :(

Must...resist...joke...about...having...meat...in...my...mouth...

go join the drunken commies ;) -> and then convince him to not delete his posts

Roflmfao!

Mad Cow = Diesease(sp?)
Man Cow = Shock jock out of Chicago
I knows it. I'm just foolin' around.

Must...resist...joke...about...having...meat...in...my...mouth...

Some of us don't need to joke about that. Or resist it.

I knows it. I'm just foolin' around.
I know. ;)

Hey, I've had fun not-debating with you, but I gotta go. Goodnight.

And Cwazybushland, remember, evidence in future. Got it?

Oh... I must say I'm a bit disappointed now. You yanks are supposed to do wacky things that. Haven't you got the memo?

Well we don't make Quorn in the states is why. Here we make Tofurkey (http://www.tofurkey.com/products/tofurkyfeasts.htm) and it's nasty yuk

Must...resist...joke...about...having...meat...in...my...mouth...

yer no fun! :p

Well we don't make Quorn in the states is why. Here we make Tofurkey (http://www.tofurkey.com/products/tofurkyfeasts.htm) and it's nasty yuk

Hmm, you do have a point, even though it would have been awesome to see.

Hey, now we have evidence I'm more willing to mlisten to what you have to say. But I'm still not boycotting beef. I get British beef you see.

Listen. your new. Welcome to NS. But from now on source your statements where necessary. Please?
British beef? OK, they test it, but do you know how many case there are of bovine spongiform encephalitis in that country every year? Nor do I, but next door in Ireland, with fewer cows, we had 126 cases in 2004, many years after we banned feeding bits of cows to other cows, and we have had two cases of Creutzfeldt-Jakobs Disease, one a woman who lived in Britain and the other apparently developed here. It's human BSE, and as far as I know 100% fatal - one of the people has already died, I think.
Just checked, and Britain had 343 in 2004 - nothing compared to its 1992 total of 37, 280. There have been 108 confirmed deaths from vCJD there.
It's a big danger. And, because the incubation period is so long, it may have infected many more who won't develop symptoms for a long time. But, boycotting beef is unlikely to do much, as chances are that if America has a BSE problem, it's already widespread. Testing, however, should be mandatory.

I'm not boycotting beef. I may boycott the FDA though. I'll only eat food and take drugs that it hasn't approved.


BRILLIANT!!! I'll second this motion! :D

I will continue to eat beef and take that .000076% chance that I will get Mad Cow diseease because that is far better than turing into one giant Vagina from Vaginitis, a common occurance when a person stops eating beef. They turn into one big pussy.

-snip-turing into one giant Vagina from Vaginitis, a common occurance when a person stops eating beef. They turn into one big pussy.

wtf?

Sometime in August I read an editorial in the New York Times about the beef industry. Apparently a slaughter house in Kansas wished to check for mad cow disease in their beef so they asked the FDA for the kit. The FDA however said no because it will put too much pressure on other slaughter houses to check for the disease. Basically it might be hard on big business. Is everything done for money in this country. It seems that way. The FDA is now under large criticism apparently, but do we ever hear about it? Not unless we try too. The only sensible thing to do is to boycott beef until there are mandatory checks for Mad cow. The whole FDA system should be revamped too, I would say its the most corrupt organization in the US today.

I have already sworn off beef. My wife made me promise not to eat anymore, once that first mad cow case was discovered in the US. We both figured that where there's one, there are bound to be more undiscovered, especially with the poor performance of the FDA, and allowing farmers to turn cows into cannibals by feeding them their own dead.

So no more beef for me. I miss it, but a promise is a promise.

The only proof I need is logic and inference. I would rather not lose control of my brain and/or nervous system. Doesn't look like too much fun.

Later folks, gotta go get some chicken, hopefully one that was raised in a box the size of my shoe... :D

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Instead of boycotting beef, buy it right form the farmer so you can see the condition of the animal. 1/2 a side of beef wiil take up a lot of room in your freezer, but the quality is so much better than anything you cna get at the store.

Instead of boycotting beef, buy it right form the farmer so you can see the condition of the animal. 1/2 a side of beef wiil take up a lot of room in your freezer, but the quality is so much better than anything you cna get at the store.

How much does a Half O' Side O' Beef cost?

This is just an attempt by vegetarians to spread their evil! :upyours:

(vegetarian) :sniper:

How much does a Half O' Side O' Beef cost?

Depends on the farmer, but usually around $250 to $300 dollars after processing for about 200 lbs of beef.

Depends on the farmer, but usually around $250 to $300 dollars after processing for about 200 lbs of beef.

A Half O' Side O' Beef weighs alot more than 200 pounds.

A Half O' Side O' Beef weighs alot more than 200 pounds.

That about what I pay, but I usually go in with my family on a younger cow. Corn fed beef is the best. I only get about 200 lbs because I can't fit much more in my freezer. My parents, siblings and I all split the cost for buying and butchering the cow.

If you can get enough people to go in for all the meat, it is the only way to go.

That about what I pay, but I usually go in with my family on a younger cow. Corn fed beef is the best. I only get about 200 lbs because I can't fit much more in my freezer. My parents, siblings and I all split the cost for buying and butchering the cow.

If you can get enough people to go in for all the meat, it is the only way to go.

Man, I really feel like a steak after that.

Man, I really feel like a steak after that.

Got the grill fired up right now. :D

Yep, buying straight from the farmer is definetly the best way to go, and it helps to support our farmers, in South Dakota we are very protective of our farmers. :D