Are you racist?
Under the following definition of Racism, are you a racist?
Racism
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
I joke alot with my friends and we have alot of racist jokes and stuff, but we're not racist in the sense that we'll do something because of someone's colour.
Drunk commies deleted
21-09-2005, 21:33
No but I'm prejudiced. I don't beleive that one "race" of people is better or capable of more things than another, but I prejudge certain groups of people based on generalizations.
am i the only person who actually admits to be rascist?
it is true that there is differences in races, for example, people of african races generally can run for longer than most other races since they had evolved that way, just like an eskimo person can actually withstand colder temperatures, as they had evolved that way. i'll see if i can find an article about it, but there actually is very heavy trends showing this.
compare neanderthals with sapiens, it's the same concept, except more slight differences.
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 21:38
I wouldn't say that I'm racist. I try to look at things from a sociological point of view, however (that being my main area of study), so I recognize statistics and certain generalizations and often find myself evaluating these generalizations with experiences I've encountered in my own life. However, I do this for my own race as well...I don't think that's racism, I think it's...observation and information processing, or something?
Pitshanger
21-09-2005, 21:38
Under that definition, you'd be hiding your head in the sand to say otherwise (unless theres a massively scientific version of events that makes race irrelevant). Blacks do tend to be faster and stronger, overall, asians do tend to be more hard-working overall. You can argue about the affects of the socities these groups live in but I feel those two examples go far beyond, say, blacks and crime rates.
Only against Caucasians.
To the person who is bound to not get it: It's a joke.
HotRodia
21-09-2005, 21:40
I still have some mild racist tendencies. Social circumstances make it hard for me to get rid of them entirely.
Call to power
21-09-2005, 21:40
I'm patriotic is that racist liberals/opposers of the government at my school say it is? (well poking fun of someone’s political ideas isn't racism ;) )
but mind you allot of people at my school are hippies that need a good kicking (yes the people who smoke weed all day, copy what everyone else thinks and date 17+ CHAVS)
Only against Caucasians.
To the person who is bound to not get it: It's a joke.
Fass drags himself from moderation to make his customary witty remark.
To the person who is bound to not get it: It's a joke.
EDIT: Hippies DO need a good kicking. Good God I hate those damned hippy bastards.
HotRodia
21-09-2005, 21:41
Only against Caucasians.
To the person who is bound to not get it: It's a joke.
OMG TROLLZ0R! ;)
The Macabees
21-09-2005, 21:41
I'm sometimes rascist against what I refer to as Moors, but it really depends. I would make friend with any Muslim within the United States, but for some reason I wouldn't think of making friends with Arabs in Spain, when I'm there...so I really don't know...I don't regard myself as rascist.
I'm not a racist,i've got a colour tv!
:D
The Nazz
21-09-2005, 21:43
Making assumptions based on things like skin color is just about the dumbest thing a person can do, short of sticking genitalia in a meat grinder. It ignores all other evidence and replaces it with a stupid dichotomy that says "_____ colored people are bad." It's moronic.
To paraphrase Dennis Miller (from back when he was funny), why should I hate someone based on the color of their skin when I can get to know them and have a much better reason.
I'm sometimes rascist against what I refer to as Moors, but it really depends. I would make friend with any Muslim within the United States, but for some reason I wouldn't think of making friends with Arabs in Spain, when I'm there...so I really don't know...I don't regard myself as rascist.
I think that may count....
Regional racism???
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 21:44
Under that definition, you'd be hiding your head in the sand to say otherwise (unless theres a massively scientific version of events that makes race irrelevant). Blacks do tend to be faster and stronger, overall, asians do tend to be more hard-working overall. You can argue about the affects of the socities these groups live in but I feel those two examples go far beyond, say, blacks and crime rates.
I'm rather disenchanted with the direction the human race is currently heading in general, having little to do with what ethnicity/race we are.
If blacks are faster and stronger than other races in general, that seems to be a fact of evolution rather than a racist belief.
Overall though, I do think that the societies and environments people live in is the overriding factor on general behavior patterns, levels of education, etc.
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 21:45
Making assumptions based on things like skin color is just about the dumbest thing a person can do, short of sticking genitalia in a meat grinder. It ignores all other evidence and replaces it with a stupid dichotomy that says "_____ colored people are bad." It's moronic.
To paraphrase Dennis Miller (from back when he was funny), why should I hate someone based on the color of their skin when I can get to know them and have a much better reason.
Hmm. I'm going to have to remember that quote. It sounds like me. :D
Fass drags himself from moderation to make his customary witty remark.
To the person who is bound to not get it: It's a joke.
I see Ankhmet is back from his bannination to stun us with his quotidian bluntness.
Get over it, already.
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 21:46
I still have some mild racist tendencies. Social circumstances make it hard for me to get rid of them entirely.
What do you mean? Like an immigration social circumstance perhaps?
Why should anybody care about that? Do you actually think someone cares?....
You've stated nothing and have only made your homophobia apparent. And nobody cares about what precious little you find disgusting.....
Man wasn't made at all, so your point is, well, pointless.....
Prove your delusion.....
Your religion? Why should anyone care about that?....
I'm supposed to be the blunt one? Yeah...
Call to power
21-09-2005, 21:48
Making assumptions based on things like skin color is just about the dumbest thing a person can do, short of sticking genitalia in a meat grinder. It ignores all other evidence and replaces it with a stupid dichotomy that says "_____ colored people are bad." It's moronic.
To paraphrase Dennis Miller (from back when he was funny), why should I hate someone based on the color of their skin when I can get to know them and have a much better reason.
racism doesn’t have to cover skin colour (points to how many people hate the French)
P.S but of course I like the French now (a Frenchman brought me a drink even though we couldn't talk to each other we used slapstick comedy)
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 21:49
racism doesn’t have to cover skin colour (points to how many people hate the French)
P.S but of course I like the French now (a Frenchman brought me a drink even though we couldn't talk to each other we used slapstick comedy)
But that's not racism, that's ethnic/national/cultural discrimination. The French are comprised of many different races themselves, too. :p
The Nazz
21-09-2005, 21:50
racism doesn’t have to cover skin colour (points to how many people hate the French)
P.S but of course I like the French now (a Frenchman brought me a drink even though we couldn't talk to each other we used slapstick comedy)
That's not racism--that's bias against a nationality. It's not like you can point to a person on the street and automatically know that they're french.
HotRodia
21-09-2005, 21:50
What do you mean? Like an immigration social circumstance perhaps?
Nope. Everyone around me uses racial classifications. In order to function efficiently in the milieu I have to do so as well.
Hamanistan
21-09-2005, 21:51
I'm not a racist,i've got a colour tv!
:D
:p
Agrigento
21-09-2005, 21:51
No but I'm prejudiced. I don't beleive that one "race" of people is better or capable of more things than another, but I prejudge certain groups of people based on generalizations.
I can definitely say that I am very similar.
I like to believe that every race has its bad eggs. To quote Chris Rock:
I love black people ... but I hate n****
I do not hate anyone simply because of skin color, religious or political beliefs, or any other base factor, but how they act, react and exchange within their environment.
Smunkeeville
21-09-2005, 21:54
only in self defense J/K
I live in a "black neighborhood" (we are the only whit faimly in a 1/4mi radius) a few months after we moved in the neighbors had this big meeting about 'the white folks moving in and taking over the neighborhood', I was scared to go at first, but I went anyway (since we were the "guests of honor") it was so hard not to laugh and cry at the same time.
cry because I realized how it must feel for african americans when they are put down because of thier skin color before people even get to know them.
and laugh because after the civil rights movement we kinda are going backwards in some ways.
I kept having this mental picture of an elderly couple talking about "once the white people move in, there goes the neighborhood"
HotRodia
21-09-2005, 21:56
only in self defense J/K
I live in a "black neighborhood" (we are the only whit faimly in a 1/4mi radius) a few months after we moved in the neighbors had this big meeting about 'the white folks moving in and taking over the neighborhood', I was scared to go at first, but I went anyway (since we were the "guests of honor") it was so hard not to laugh and cry at the same time.
cry because I realized how it must feel for african americans when they are put down because of thier skin color before people even get to know them.
and laugh because after the civil rights movement we kinda are going backwards in some ways.
I kept having this mental picture of an elderly couple talking about "once the white people move in, there goes the neighborhood"
No surprise there. If you tell people they are distinct and separate class of animal for a couple hundred years they might just start to believe it. Racism breeds racism, in my experience. I hope you learn a lot from living in other cultural communities. I know I did.
El De Austino
21-09-2005, 21:57
I'm only racist about most Iraqies
im not racist cuz i know that their are smart people of all races and stupid people of all races and rich people and poor people of all races but have u ever been listening to public radio when they were discussing the SAT scores and its mostly peole of other (not white) races who do bad and also if ur ever in a big city what percent of beggers and homeless people are black?....a lot of them so if im a racist for stating the truth then slap my ass and call me susan.....or whatever u call a racist. i mean im firends with people of all races, my mexican friend is not poor hes got lots of money, but a majority of certain races usually do act like the stereotypes and we shouldnt be afraid of making comments if their true.
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 21:57
Nope. Everyone around me uses racial classifications. In order to function efficiently in the milieu I have to do so as well.
It's hard to get away from racial classifications when every form you have to fill out has a little box for you to check and cram yourself into.
I was thinking about my home town, which has had a boom of Mexican immigration due to all the industries there. The immigrants are opening a lot of Latino shops, signs are being posted in English and Spanish, curriculum in the schools must change to accomodate the non-English-speaking students...
I think the people of the town are already resentful of some of those changes, but racism is made far worse by the fact that now a large percentage of the crime committed in town involves immigrants.
Minalkra
21-09-2005, 21:58
Ok, people are obviously stupid.
Racism is not JUST the belief that races are different. That is called FACT. Racism is the belief that one race (USUALLY your own) is BETTER then another (or all).
Duh.
So, using the CORRECT definition of racism (which the first poster kindly supplied for us in his first post), who here is racist; i.e. believes his race to be inately superior to other races?
EDIT: And I am inately stupid for I have made MANY spelling errors here, corrected now.
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 21:58
I'm only racist about most Iraqies
How many Iraquis do you know?
El De Austino
21-09-2005, 21:59
The ones who joined the terrorists groups and in the Iraqi Army
Krakozha
21-09-2005, 21:59
I'm not racist, I'm not sure Irish people have gotten the hang of being racist yet. It's only in the last few years that black children have become a common sight in our schools. I know my grandparents really don't know what to make of it. But I know the kids my youngest sister goes to school with don't think twice about the colour of their classmates skin
Our street was an oddity, we lived right across from the only two black kids in a 5 mile radius (and probably more) when I was growing up. One was a decent person, the other was two faced and manipulative. But that was just how they were because of who they were, not because of their race/skin colour...
Magnus Maha
21-09-2005, 21:59
im going to quote the only teacher that my father ever paid attention to, his name was Mr.Khill, "I'm not racist i hate everyone equally." and that my freinds is my also my philsophy.
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 22:00
Ok, people are obviously stupid.
Racism is not JUST the belife that races are different. Taht is called FACT. Racism is the beliefe that one race (USUALLY your own) is BETTER then another (or all).
Duh.
So, using the CORRECT definition of racism (which the first poster kindly supplied for us in his first post), who here is racist; i.e. believes his race to be inately superior to other races?
No, racism can also involve stereotyping and other types of discrimination. It doesn't revolve entirely around believing one race is superior to the other. People have different reasons for being racist, based on the environment they were raised on and what their society has taught them.
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 22:01
The ones who joined the terrorists groups and in the Iraqi Army
So you don't personally know any Iraquis, but hate most Iraquis.
People. We're remarkably stupid, unpleasant to be around, rude, ignorant and just nasty.
To echo the many who have said this before me: dear God I hate people.
HotRodia
21-09-2005, 22:03
It's hard to get away from racial classifications when every form you have to fill out has a little box for you to check and cram yourself into.
I was thinking about my home town, which has had a boom of Mexican immigration due to all the industries there. The immigrants are opening a lot of Latino shops, signs are being posted in English and Spanish, curriculum in the schools must change to accomodate the non-English-speaking students...
I think the people of the town are already resentful of some of those changes, but racism is made far worse by the fact that now a large percentage of the crime committed in town involves immigrants.
Having grown up in Texas...I'm used to the results of immigration. Doesn't even occur to me that it's a problem until someone mentions "them dirty Mexicans stealing American jobs".
I'm supposed to be the blunt one? Yeah...
Flame baiting people is against the rules. Falling for it is as well, so you've just earned a spot on my ignore list for a while, so that I'm not tempted to respond to you. It was not my fault you got banned - it was your own. Please, get over it.
Minalkra
21-09-2005, 22:04
No, racism can also involve stereotyping and other types of discrimination. It doesn't revolve entirely around believing one race is superior to the other. People have different reasons for being racist, based on the environment they were raised on and what their society has taught them.
WELCOME to the wonderful world of differing definitions! Population: ME.
I use:
racism
n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races 2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race [syn: racialism, racial discrimination]
adhereing more to the former rather then latter. However, what I don't get is that last sentance. How the hell does the WAY a person become racist refelct on the innate definition of racism?
Isselmere
21-09-2005, 22:05
There are certain physiological differences between different groups of people owing to the conditions under which their ancestors lived and with which their predecessors had to cope (susceptibility or relative immunity to certain diseases or medications, etc.), but generally such advantages (or disadvantages, depending on the situation) are so modest as to be irrelevant. Culture is a greater determinant of behaviour than skin colour or one's ancestral geographical origins. Else, the Norwegians and Swedes would still be trying to bloodthirstily conquer -- or at least pillage -- the rest of Europe.
Tasmanyaya
21-09-2005, 22:06
Ours is a multi-racial family living in a white community. Two white parents, three children--first nations, Jamaican, and a mixture. We watch our youngest cope with racist comments from high-school kids daily. It's enough to turn even the meekest into an activist.
Flame baiting people is against the rules. Falling for it is as well, so you've just earned a spot on my ignore list for a while, so that I'm not tempted to respond to you. It was not my fault you got banned - it was your own. Please, get over it.
:rolleyes:
My loss, I'm sure.
Minalkra
21-09-2005, 22:07
There are certain physiological differences between different groups of people owing to the conditions under which their ancestors lived and with which their predecessors had to cope (susceptibility or relative immunity to certain diseases or medications, etc.), but generally such advantages (or disadvantages, depending on the situation) are so modest as to be irrelevant. Culture is a greater determinant of behaviour than skin colour or one's ancestral geographical origins. Else, the Norwegians and Swedes would still be trying to bloodthirstily conquer -- or at least pillage -- the rest of Europe.
UNLESS by the very act of attempting such a conqureing, they removed from their gene pools the viloent and aggressive conquerers and now are mostly peaceful due to tehir barbaric and unsightly past.
Sorry, ignore me now.
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 22:12
WELCOME to the wonderful world of differing definitions! Population: ME.
I use:
racism
n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races 2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race [syn: racialism, racial discrimination]
adhereing more to the former rather then latter. However, what I don't get is that last sentance. How the hell does the WAY a person become racist refelct on the innate definition of racism?
Right...well, you called people posting here "stupid" that didn't adhere to your personal definition, which you posted as:
So, using the CORRECT definition of racism (which the first poster kindly supplied for us in his first post), who here is racist; i.e. believes his race to be inately superior to other races?
Leaving out the second part of your most recent post:
2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race [syn: racialism, racial discrimination]
...which is what I pointed out.
How a person becomes racist directly affects their own form of racism. i.e. being raised around Mexican immigrants that "steal" your father's job, being raised in an all-white community and then experiencing fear the first time you walk down a street alone and see a black man coming towards you, etc.
GOLDDIRK
21-09-2005, 22:13
Am i a Racist?
Well im sort of over weight so i never join in any races. Hard to breath you see.
*snort* ;)
Rich
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 22:13
UNLESS by the very act of attempting such a conqureing, they removed from their gene pools the viloent and aggressive conquerers and now are mostly peaceful due to tehir barbaric and unsightly past.
Sorry, ignore me now.
That sounds like Hitler's logic for wiping out the Jews...ethnic cleansing.
Minalkra
21-09-2005, 22:17
Right...well, you caled blah blah effing blah
Ya know what, I just won't even say anything. Not cause I can't but because frankly . . . . I'm tired from work and flipping through other crap. So while I'd love to argue (and I do so love to argue) I can't. Sorry man.
And you are all stupid. But I'm a fucking moron, so it all boils down to who cares?
God I'm so tired . . . .
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 22:18
I reported it. And Minalkra, your baiting isn't necessary either.
Oh, and I'm a girl. ;)
Random Kingdom
21-09-2005, 22:19
I do occasionally say racial slurs, but haven't ever AFAIK said them to the face of someone from another race (I admit, I have possibly told off-colour race-orientated jokes, and prejudiced against ginger-haired people). I'm (politically) against racism, although I suppose I am naturally at least slightly racist, I think that the Holocaust was a major atrocity (I don't think I've ever acted anti-semitist), but I believe that there is such thing as racism against whites and political overcorrectness (i.e. when you start changing things (to put minority races in a better light) so much that you start discriminating against your own race).
Liskeinland
21-09-2005, 22:22
Um… I'm politically incorrect, but that doesn't count. Racist? Well, I don't think so. I mean, I do have *nasty thoughts* occasionally, but that's probably excess anger at something or other boiling over, or a tendril of my mind trying to find justifications.
Oh, and thinking that members of a certain race don't look as attractive as members of another race is NOT RACISM. 'Kay?
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 22:23
*Does not feed the troll*
I do occasionally say racial slurs, but haven't ever AFAIK said them to the face of someone from another race (I admit, I have possibly told off-colour race-orientated jokes, and prejudiced against ginger-haired people). I'm (politically) against racism, although I suppose I am naturally at least slightly racist, I think that the Holocaust was a major atrocity (I don't think I've ever acted anti-semitist), but I believe that there is such thing as racism against whites and political overcorrectness (i.e. when you start changing things (to put minority races in a better light) so much that you start discriminating against your own race).
I think that with younger generations, some racial/other discriminatory slurs have evolved to the point where they use them in a derogatory fashion but not meaning to allude to the actual point of discrimination.
Since that makes little sense, I'll use an example...I've heard my little sister's friends use the word "gay" pretty freely, but they don't mean it as "homosexual" in any way. What started off as using the word to portray being "gay" in a negative light seems to me to actually have developed a whole new definition, still negative, but completely removed from homosexuality.
WhathePhuckia
21-09-2005, 22:26
everyones racist in some form. whether or not you realize it, you treat some people slightly different than others.
Eutrusca
21-09-2005, 22:29
The genetic differences which account for what some call "race" are barely measurable. I hardly think that small a difference makes it justifiable to think of other human beings as "great at jumping," "more cerebral," or any of the other generalizations people use to divide their own kind into sub-categories.
By nature, people are generalizing animals. It's a survival characteristic. If we had to view each and every thing we see as a separate and distinct thing unto itself, we would be too busy trying to figure out whether it was a threat or not to take effective action. But when this tendency to generalize carries over into doing so with members of our own race ( homo sapiens sapiens ), it tends to create categories based on essentially nothing and is counterproductive.
The blessed Chris
21-09-2005, 22:32
I have just considered the following, please do the same. We do not consdier Red and Grey Squirrels to be inherently racist and deplorable for remaining partisan, segregated and self-propogating, and yet we do so with humanity, which is inherently a mammal genus mush the same as a squirrel.
Kersplunkidoo
21-09-2005, 22:32
I frequently make drummer jokes and I think asian girls are cute. Does that count as racism? (Yes, I consider drummers a separate race)
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 22:37
I have just considered the following, please do the same. We do not consdier Red and Grey Squirrels to be inherently racist and deplorable for remaining partisan, segregated and self-propogating, and yet we do so with humanity, which is inherently a mammal genus mush the same as a squirrel.
Actually...my roommate says her grandma discriminates against black squirrels. She claims they kill the brown squirrels. If that is part of a deeper racism I do not know...but even small mammals are not immune to racism, it seems.
Drake Gryphonhearth
21-09-2005, 22:39
(Yes, I consider drummers a separate race)
They are
All I know is it sucks to be black in this world. I grew up biracial at a 100% white school and for the longest time I wanted to think I was just as human as everyone else. But I got taunted and picked on by just about everybody, even my friends would call me "monkeyman" and "jungleboy". I would always get in trouble for doing things that the other kids got away with, and when I took complaints of harrassment to my teachers they would do nothing. I was excluded from sports and other activities, and life generally sucked. My father who was white had no clue about how to deal with racism and so had no advice. It was completely miserable. I would not wish such a fate on even an enemy.
That was a long time ago but even as an adult I've had tons of trouble with racism. Strangers on occasion will jokingly ask me for money, even when I'm dressed respectably and obviously not a beggar. I don't put up with crap like I used to, but having to deal with it gets fatiguing. And nothing sucks more than to get treated worse than the person right next to you just because you're not white like they are. That's just wrong.
I have a lot of respect for people who treat everyone equally, because so many people in this world are total assholes on a discriminatory basis. And I'm not ashamed to admit that I do wish I were white, as that would have made life a hell of a lot easier for me. But all that aside I can only describe racism as being a perpetual human tragedy, with very real consequences in terms of peoples' ability to get by in life.
HotRodia
21-09-2005, 22:43
Actually...my roommate says her grandma discriminates against black squirrels. She claims they kill the brown squirrels. If that is part of a deeper racism I do not know...but even small mammals are not immune to racism, it seems.
That's because the black squirrels are always taking the brown squirrel girls by showing the girls their larger nuts. ;) :cool:
Pope Hope
21-09-2005, 22:45
That's because the black squirrels are always taking the brown squirrel girls by showing the girls their larger nuts. ;) :cool:
Muahaha! :D
Frisbeeteria
21-09-2005, 23:38
And you are all stupid. But I'm a fucking moron, so it all boils down to who cares?
Minalkra, you were doing more than your share to fan the flames and feed the trolls. You've been here a year this week with no warnings. Are you looking to get out of the game, 'cause just not logging on works better than working up to a forumban.
Knock it off. All of it.
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Agrigento
22-09-2005, 00:27
Now, all these stories I am hearing are tradegies, and I think it is time someone put some faith back in humankind. So here is an uplifting story of my cousin.
My family is 100% Sicilian. That in itself is an incredible mix of Mediterranean Ethnicities. I myself have been the very occasional victim of bigotry, only it has been at the hands of Northern and Central Italians, never have I been insulted by Americans, or other Europeans, save once here on nationstates.
My aunt and uncle are both Italian, my uncle being Sicilian, and my aunt being Napolitan. My aunt was unable to bear children, so they adopted. The oldest son was named Andrew and he was from Vietnam. The younger two were twins from Colombia. I will focus here only on Andrew, as his story I feel is the most interesting, and simply the one I know the most about.
He went to a very highly regarded and hard to get into private Catholic High School, with a very Italian lastname, and a very un-Italian "look". He did very well there, and has confessed to me that his fellow students never insulted him, or showed any outward signs of racism. Occasionally in the neighborhood older kids would call him names like "Charlie" and "gook", but it was never widespread, and he was always safe at school.
After High School he went to Annapolis, and after graduation he joined the United States Marine Corps. Throughout his life, there have been many opportunities, and many dare I say "reasons" for him to become a victim of racism, but he never was, and in fact the only place where he felt out of place was in the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan.
As he has told it to me, the Marine Corps represents to him the apex of prejudice-less society, where men and women (the fewer and the prouder) are treated as equals, and where each Marine looks after the lives of his/her brethren as if it were their own.
Neo Kervoskia
22-09-2005, 00:33
I'm not a racist, I just have discriminating tastes. Fear the Mongoose.
Legless Pirates
22-09-2005, 00:35
I joke alot with my friends and we have alot of racist jokes and stuff, but we're not racist in the sense that we'll do something because of someone's colour.
same here :)
am i the only person who actually admits to be rascist?
it is true that there is differences in races, for example, people of african races generally can run for longer than most other races since they had evolved that way, just like an eskimo person can actually withstand colder temperatures, as they had evolved that way. i'll see if i can find an article about it, but there actually is very heavy trends showing this.
compare neanderthals with sapiens, it's the same concept, except more slight differences.Except, you know, that Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals are different species.
Muleland
22-09-2005, 01:00
There is often a misunderstanding between racism and culturalism, sometimes people dislike an infringement of their culture by another culture often creating fear and distrust, this is often mistaken for racism. Humans ar roughly the same all over the world but they have very differing cultures.
Taking a basic tenet of "be nice to other people" as your guide line, if there are good things in other cultures that are not represented in yours adopt them and incorporate, you are not losing something but gaining as a society. Unfortunately the culture that is being incorporated sometimes doesn't see it like that, an the less enlightned in the recipient culture also don't see it like that. then fear and mistrust perpetuate.
Cricket could teach the world a thing or two or maybe six.
Toolendusia
22-09-2005, 01:03
Everybody's racist. Whether we like to admit or not, we all have pre-occupations based on skin color, race, etc. It's more prominent in some people, but everybody has it. It's human nature to jump to conclusions on one level or another.
Actually...my roommate says her grandma discriminates against black squirrels. She claims they kill the brown squirrels. If that is part of a deeper racism I do not know...but even small mammals are not immune to racism, it seems.In South Western Ontario, red squirrels were native, and then the bigger black and brown squirrels took over. Now there is not a red squirrel to be seen, and the black and brown squirrels are at each other's throats.
It's not racism, just as it's not racism to mug someone in a dark alley when you don't know what colour they are. Squirrels have no concept of race, I'm pretty sure :p
EDIT: Hippies DO need a good kicking. Good God I hate those damned hippy bastards.
good god i hate those people who don't bother others and aren't suckers for illusion!
Lusitaniah
22-09-2005, 01:10
I am caucasian and i am not racist. I dont consider others to be a human race. :mp5:
CthulhuFhtagn
22-09-2005, 01:12
Scientifically, race refers to subspecies. Since Homo sapiens contains no subspecies (neandertalis was removed), race does not exist in humans.
I'm not a racist. In fact, it'd be impossible to be, seeing as how I don't recognize the existence of race.
Passivocalia
22-09-2005, 01:13
Only against Caucasians.
Yeah! Stupid inhabitants of the Caucasus region.
There is often a misunderstanding between racism and culturalism, sometimes people dislike an infringement of their culture by another culture often creating fear and distrust, this is often mistaken for racism. Humans ar roughly the same all over the world but they have very differing cultures.
Taking a basic tenet of "be nice to other people" as your guide line, if there are good things in other cultures that are not represented in yours adopt them and incorporate, you are not losing something but gaining as a society. Unfortunately the culture that is being incorporated sometimes doesn't see it like that, an the less enlightned in the recipient culture also don't see it like that. then fear and mistrust perpetuate.
Cricket could teach the world a thing or two or maybe six.
Why Cricket? What about Baseball?
Maineiacs
22-09-2005, 01:15
Originally Posted by Dennis Miller
"I think it's stupid to hate people based on race, color, nationality or religion when, if you really take the time to get to know people, you'll find so many more legitimate reasons to hate them." :D
Personally i am not racialist(get your definitions right for god's sakes) but i do have the prejudice that
Asian girls(specially Chinese) > all other girls, yes its true too though
and the hottest existent girls on planet = Chinese girls who speak more than 4 languages and have a 95%+ avrg....
Honestly i think i would go insane if i were to move to china eventually(which i might)... i mean, all the girls who are so....so....:S....i dunno....perfect....lol
(((Btw- i am white as white can be)))
Just wanted to add that it also sucks being white in this world concerning the it suckls to be black in this world post, same things happen to me except the other way round...
just wanted to post one tiny thing that i find racialist...
Toronto board considering school for black youth
CTV.ca News Staff
A published report says the Toronto District School Board's new equity expert is looking at establishing a black-only school in the city, as a way of combating a high dropout rate and problems with suspensions.
Lloyd McKell, the new executive officer of student and community equity for the board, told the Toronto Star that city schools don't do enough to make students of all backgrounds feel valued.
McKell told the Star a black-focused pilot school would be helpful for at-risk pupils, offering more black teachers, an Afro-centric curriculum and a more nurturing environment.
The school board confirmed that it is looking at the idea.
Nope. I believe that race accounts for differences in human appearance.
The Cat-Tribe
22-09-2005, 02:00
im not racist cuz i know that their are smart people of all races and stupid people of all races and rich people and poor people of all races but have u ever been listening to public radio when they were discussing the SAT scores and its mostly peole of other (not white) races who do bad and also if ur ever in a big city what percent of beggers and homeless people are black?....a lot of them so if im a racist for stating the truth then slap my ass and call me susan.....or whatever u call a racist. i mean im firends with people of all races, my mexican friend is not poor hes got lots of money, but a majority of certain races usually do act like the stereotypes and we shouldnt be afraid of making comments if their true.
*slap* OK, Susan.
Greedy Pig
22-09-2005, 02:11
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability
- Yes
and that a particular race is superior to others.
-No
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So does that make me half racist? :D
But there's cultural differences and upbringing that effects things most of the time.
Scientifically, race refers to subspecies. Since Homo sapiens contains no subspecies (neandertalis was removed), race does not exist in humans.
I'm not a racist. In fact, it'd be impossible to be, seeing as how I don't recognize the existence of race.Well said.
An idiot is an idiot regardless of skin colour.
St Heliers
22-09-2005, 03:35
Come on, by that definition i'm a racist and everyone i know iw a racist.
Some peoples will simply be better than others at certain things simply because of the way that country operates, i spose a kind of specialization takes place.
Look at the Olympics, how often do you see asian countries winning the weightlifting? Not many but just because i believe their disadvantaged in that sense does not mean I am racist, i think a revision of the definition is necessary.
PasturePastry
22-09-2005, 04:14
The more I think about it, the more I realize how ironic racism is. The strongest opponents of racism, who claim all they want is to be treated like everyone else, are the ones that are most vocal about being different from everyone else.
If one looks at the world in terms of black and white, that's the way the world will be seen. To me, it seems that the only way to eliminate racism is to stop pointing it out.
Anagonia
22-09-2005, 04:22
If you mean in the instance in which a certian race has better abilities than the next, then I acknowledge that.
I am not racist in the way that someone would seek to place other Humans, whether with differences in skin color/Country/ect., as lower than said race. I seek, however, to place other Fellow Humans as just that, Fellow Human Beings. I can admit that sometimes I do have some prejudice thoughts, but quickly I realize that this person is Human, and has the same red blood as me, ect.
What I try to stand by in my life is this:
"Judge not, least ye be judged."
:D
I've said it before don't judge because of race. If you don't like someone say FU. This works for everyone! :D
I'm only racist about most Iraqies
Why do you so hate the Haudenosaunee?
The Atlantian islands
22-09-2005, 04:32
I hate Nagers, A-rabs, Jews, Homosexuals, Mexicans, and all sorts of Chinese people. :)
Latiatis
22-09-2005, 04:36
Well, I think we are all a little rascist deep down inside...but I do not actually believe in the superiority of any race...but I do accept that the ethnicities do have differences.
Aldranin
22-09-2005, 04:40
Everybody's racist to an extent. You don't have to hold unfriendly feelings for a race to be racist, you just have to have some form of prejudiced feelings about a race, feelings that everyone has, whether they want to admit it or not. Racism isn't necessarily using derogatory terms or tattooing swastikas on your arm. It can be little things, as well. If you support (racially based) affirmative action, you're racist, as you believe that certain races are not able to compete with others in a level setting. If you use the term "African American," but call yourself "white," you're racist, because you assume that a black guy is going to be offended by an incorrect color label while a white guy isn't. If you've ever been worried while driving through suburbs largely inhabited by a race other than yours because the majority didn't look like you, you're racist. If you call yourself a kike, ******, cracker, or spic, but are offended when others do it, you are racist. If you just thought to yourself, "I wonder if he threw in cracker just to cover his ass," you're racist. If you have ever written "kike, ******, cracker, or spic," and added your own race strictly to cover your ass, you're racist. If you say "the 'N' word," instead of ******, but you still say "cracker" in reference to a white guy, you're racist. If you say derogatory words in private, but not in public, you're racist. If you've ever said, "I'm not racist, I've got tons of black friends," you're racist. If you've ever said, "I love ," you're racist. If you accidently find yourself in the ghetto, and immediately assume that it is inhabited by a specific minority group, as opposed to minorities, you're racist. If you've ever noticed that most criminals shown on TV are black or hispanic, you're racist. If you just thought to yourself, "Why did he say hispanic instead of Mexican - is he covering his ass?" you don't know what hispanic means... [I]and you're racist. If you think that being racist requires being white, you're racist. Everybody is racist, it's just a matter of determining how racist you really are. If you don't think you're racist, you're in denial.
PS: This is concerning racism where "race" refers to definitions 2, 3 and 4 here. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race) I'm not talking about fucking prejudice toward species.
Anagonia
22-09-2005, 05:08
Wow, I think he went on a rant....not sure, lol. But, some of it can be questioned by others whom have other opinions and the like.
Anyway, I believe I left enough lee-way in my own post to have my own opinion here, in which could lie many explanations and definitions. I love loop-holes, and strategic posting. :D
Yes, I'm being an a**. Now lemme have some fun every now and then please
Unless you live in a bubble, it's hard NOT to have a little bit of racism in ya.
I feel less safe around people of certain ethnicities where I live. Namely because I've had people of certain ethnicities repeatedly mug me and my friends, threaten random violence for random reasons, put others in danger through retarded actions, break into my home, and murder people two blocks from my place.
Oddly enough, I've lived in many poor areas, yet never have I lived in a more dangerous place, and I've completely changed my outlook...it isn't just poverty that breeds crime, from my perspective.
Many, many people at my college have confessed to feeling that as well. Are we crazy to feel that way? I used to be as tolerant as anyone, yet, reality has made it harder in the face of mine and others' experiences.
If you are a white man and you see a black man does your mind say that it is a man or a black man. How about the other way around? I wonder if this is racist by defining a person by color of skin. If not then I think lots of people are not racist. Of course lots of people think they are better then other people but I think race is simply a minor factor now.
Despairing Fairies
22-09-2005, 05:14
hell no i'm not racist. I really don't understand why people feel that just because they're a certain color that they are better than anyone. we are all the same. we all started out the exact same way but when our ancestors moved out over the world. over the centuries our bodies adapted to our surroundings...... i hate racist ways. it pisses me off. :mad:
OK Allen
22-09-2005, 05:28
I'm white and I hate whites. But there is one thing I hate; I declare my undying hatred for Curtis Jackson (50cent) and I am declared a racist. Apparently, if you dislike a specific person that does not share your race, you are racist. From the same viewpoint, those minorities that despise evil men like Hitler and Stalin are racist. I had this conversation with a ten-year-old black child and after about my five minutes of yelling at him for being a prejudgmental racist himself, he ran away crying.
Q.E.D. bitches.
I'm white and I hate whites. But there is one thing I hate; I declare my undying hatred for Curtis Jackson (50cent) and I am declared a racist. Apparently, if you dislike a specific person that does not share your race, you are racist. From the same viewpoint, those minorities that despise evil men like Hitler and Stalin are racist. I had this conversation with a ten-year-old black child and after about my five minutes of yelling at him for being a prejudgmental racist himself, he ran away crying.
Q.E.D. bitches.
What about Michael Jackson? Is it ok to hate him? :)
Santa Barbara
22-09-2005, 05:37
Here's some shit some racist posted on another forum I attend.
Let's look at the natural behaviour of each race.
The negro religion is ancestor/devil worship. Their ancestors are, thus, 'devils', by their own admission. And, they appease them with animal sacrifices, sprinkling the blood of the living animal around the magic circle, whilst it cries in fear and pain. Very spiritual, NOT!
An example of this was shown on TV, about 5 years ago, here in the UK. It was a journey by the black woman in the Spice Girls, a pop group in the uK, to her ancestral home in Africa. No mention was made of devil ancestors here, but the sprinkling of the blood of a goat was shown. Its neck was cut, and it cried in terror as it was moved about, losing its blood, until it lost consciousness, and died. We were told to regard this as 'spiritual'. I didn't!
Their art is of devil masks. They have no other art, except that which has been the result of European influence. This is the truth, although many people now lie about this. Early records show only devil masks as their art.
They have no history of poetry, or history, and no stories, by nature, unless it has been since White's have taught them these things, or taught them to lie that they have such history.
There are no early records by Whites, or by blacks, of any 'culture' other than devil worship, in black societies. They simply have no culture, except for that of primative violence.
Until recently, neither blacks nor Whites denied this, but recently, organised lying has been organised and instituted. E.g. blacks are said to have built a big mud hut/'palace', as opposed to a small one, somewhere in Africa. This is described as 'historic', etc. No mention is made of the fact that it is recent, and certainly has been made since Europeans came to Africa, in recent times. The concept was obviously influenced by white PC loonies. I think it is actually about 20 years old. It is certainly no more than 50 years old.
Now, shall I describe White culture? Leonardo da vinci, perhaps, or Einstein? Einstein may have been 'Jewish', but genetically, he was 99% White. Just look at his photos! Shall I mention Mozart? Or trips to the moon? I do not need to say more, do I?
What bugs me the most is racist fuckholes like this imply they get to take credit for Mozart or Einstein, because of racialism. They think they get to feel pride or accomplishment for sharing a vaguely similar skin-tone with genius.
WTF do we do with these people? "The negro religion." "99% White." Fuck, they're retarded, and they outnumber intelligent and reasonable people.
Dont Run With Scissors
22-09-2005, 05:38
Ok, people are obviously stupid.
Racism is not JUST the belief that races are different. That is called FACT. Racism is the belief that one race (USUALLY your own) is BETTER then another (or all).
Duh.
So, using the CORRECT definition of racism (which the first poster kindly supplied for us in his first post), who here is racist; i.e. believes his race to be inately superior to other races?
EDIT: And I am inately stupid for I have made MANY spelling errors here, corrected now.
i for one dont even have a race. i am very much mixed. so are many people. racism is used too often nowadays, as is race, period.
Dont Run With Scissors
22-09-2005, 05:40
Well, I think we are all a little rascist deep down inside...but I do not actually believe in the superiority of any race...but I do accept that the ethnicities do have differences.
in addition to the fact that idont have a race, i dont have a ethnicity, either. i am just different, period. so is every other individual.
Under the following definition of Racism, are you a racist?
Racism
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
Base on that definition, I'm slightly racist. Leave out "or ability", and I'm 100% not racist.
However, there are genetic differences in the races that account for varying physical abilities. For example, African-Americans, because of their darker skin pigment, are more resistant to the sun than Caucasians.
As for differences in human character, or having one race superior to another, or discriminating based on race: hogwash.
That part of the definition, "discrimination based on race", seems to make affirmative action a racist policy, by the way.
Unless you live in a bubble, it's hard NOT to have a little bit of racism in ya.
I feel less safe around people of certain ethnicities where I live. Namely because I've had people of certain ethnicities repeatedly mug me and my friends, threaten random violence for random reasons, put others in danger through retarded actions, break into my home, and murder people two blocks from my place.
Oddly enough, I've lived in many poor areas, yet never have I lived in a more dangerous place, and I've completely changed my outlook...it isn't just poverty that breeds crime, from my perspective.
Many, many people at my college have confessed to feeling that as well. Are we crazy to feel that way? I used to be as tolerant as anyone, yet, reality has made it harder in the face of mine and others' experiences.
I don't think that is really a racist attitude. More of the "birds of a feather flock together" syndrome.
There are definitely cultural differences between whites and blacks. So it is natural to feel uncomfortable surrounded by people who have different cultural reference points.
The best of us must acknowledge that fact, and try to get past it by finding common ground.
Naturality
22-09-2005, 06:07
Under the following definition of Racism, are you a racist?
Racism
The belief that race or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
That's not my definition of racism .. especially the second part. Going by this definition (accounts for differences in human character), then yes I am a racist and always have been..along with everyone, regardless of color, I have ever known.
Everybody is racist, it's just a matter of determining how racist you really are. If you don't think you're racist, you're in denial.
PS: This is concerning racism where "race" refers to definitions 2, 3 and 4 URL=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race]here.[/URL] I'm not talking about fucking prejudice toward species.
Actually, I'd prefer to be in de Amazon. ;)
Naturality
22-09-2005, 06:46
Also .. I have 2 definitions of a racist. Short and simple version. I could go in more detail, but would take me a few days to get all my thoughts together since I haven't focused on this issue in depth for quite a few years.
1. Someone who loves their family heritage, race, culture etc and wishes to preserve it without the harming or hindering of another race in the process.
2. Someone who absolutely hates or has no feeling what so ever of other races or a paticular race, regardless of circumstanses.. no matter what. Extreme example : Someone who could kill a baby/child of <place race here>, just for being that race without any remorse.
Anything outside of these to me are considered pre-judices, steroetypes that we all have regardless if we realize it, admit it, or not.
I know for a fact there are good and bad people in ALL races(along wiith classes, religions, sexual orientaions and ideologies)... Duh. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot, brainwashed, just plain evil, or jaded, imo. I highly doubt there are many people walking this earth that think a certain race of people should be annihilated. Some people want to live seperatly from other races, but not many desire to have other races completely done away with.
Revasser
22-09-2005, 06:59
I'm probably a little bit racist, though I do my best not to be. It's hard to avoid being a little prejudiced when the majority your experiences with one particular group have gone one way. I try not to judge people by their race, but it's difficult to ignore that initial gut reaction that says "Most of your experiences with other people of <insert group here> have been bad, chances are this one will be too."
Once I get to know people, whatever race they belong to becomes a non-issue, but if I don't know them, I find myself sometimes making snap judgements, which is a flaw of mine.
As one of my friends is fond of saying: "Damn ethnics. But damn natives and damn white trash too. I fucking hate people."
Under the following definition of Racism, are you a racist?
Racism
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
I do believe that race accounts for differences in human character or ability, but I do not believe that any race is better than any other. So under this defintion of racism, I am not racist.
However, I actually am very racist, the defintion is inaccurate.
Come on, by that definition i'm a racist and everyone i know iw a racist.
Some peoples will simply be better than others at certain things simply because of the way that country operates, i spose a kind of specialization takes place.
Look at the Olympics, how often do you see asian countries winning the weightlifting? Not many but just because i believe their disadvantaged in that sense does not mean I am racist, i think a revision of the definition is necessary.
Actually the Chinese have produced several weightlifting champions. Particularly in the female categories. *Gut check time*.
I do believe that race accounts for differences in human character or ability, but I do not believe that any race is better than any other. So under this defintion of racism, I am not racist.
However, I actually am very racist, the defintion is inaccurate.
I'm sorry, but this is the legal definition of racism that you will find in any dictionary or law book. Being racist means that you believe that your race is superior to others.
And for the record... I AM MOST DEFINITELY NOT RACIST!