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Once again, they've proven themselves to be complete idiots.

I made a small cartoon, summarizing my feelings:
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Nintendo is working on their new system, codenamed "Revolution." Not only has Nintendo typically been more secretive about their hardware designing than other companies because it frankly sucks by comparison and requires greater hype to sell, but no, it gets worse... Their new controller is, frankly, a remote control.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/15/news_6133335.html?gcst=169_iwata_tgs05_keynote_revcontroller_1_4.asx&tag=gs_hp_flashtop_bg

Almost no buttons and it's just a remote control.

Now, it's neat that it's got gyroscopic motion detectors, which the system can supposedly map in 3-D. So, you could supposedly use the remote control like a sword in fighting games, like a fishing rod in fishing games, and so on. And it's sort of neat that it has a power button on it, to let you turn the system off and on from a distance.

But it has the clear disadvantage, obviously, of having so few buttons and of being basically one-handed. Simple logic tells you that one-handed control means less control, period. And the gyroscopic motion detectors, while neat, would not be conceivably useful in the majority of games, unlike analog sticks and rumble paks (controller vibration), which could be used in virtually any game. So, the controller they designed would be more preferable as an extra, peripheral device, rather than a standard controller.

They've also hinted that for things such as racing games, or other games where people clearly can't use the remote control controller, that the remote control will have a slot built into it, for peripheral devices, for what the designers call "nunchuk style."

But such a device, so far it seems, will not come standard. In short: Nintendo is going to end up dicking you by forcing you to buy a bunch of extra peripheral devices.

They've also just FINALLY moved over to standard CDs\DVDs, instead of the archaic cartridges of the N64 (that the Nintendo DS still uses), or the custom mini-discs of the Gamecube.

And finally, this isn't recent news, but Nintendo frankly has been pandering to children when it comes to games. And they've been going downhill ever since they lost the Final Fantasy series to Sony. On the N64, it's no surprise that games migrated from the Sony Playstation to the N64, not the other way around. Playstation was far more willing to explore new ideas and generate new games, whereas Nintendo had just been regurgitating old characters and plots, and continues to do so today.

Sony knows, after a while, Crash Bandicoot gets old. Whereas, Nintendo simply won't let Mario and their other pimped brandnames die, to the point that they're now running out of names for new Mario games, so they end up with silly titles like, "New Super Mario Bros." Whenever a new system comes out, they simply re-release all of their standard games, with the system's new suffix added. Simply put: When Nintendo Revolution is out, if "Revolution" is not just it's codename, then expect to see the games Mario Revolution, Zelda Revolution, Donkey Kong Revolution, Metroid Revolution, and Bomberman Revolution. It's frankly ridiculous and trite.

Nintendo re-released several SNES games for Gameboy Advanced. Re-released them again for Nintendo DS. And is now going to re-release them yet a third time, by allowing Nintendo Revolutions to download SNES games from Nintendo (something you can already do quite easily for free). When a company has re-released a single game at least 3 times, you know that their seriously running out of creative ideas for games and are losing money.

Anyway, and ever since the Playstation 2 was released, other game companies have almost always had superior hardware. All because Sony and Microsoft have a lot more funding, because they're corporations that have many branches in different fields, unlike Nintendo which stays within a single industry.

With 512 MB built-in flash memory, the Nintendo Revolution is also going to be likely overpriced is well. Flash memory is incredibly fast, but is roughly 10 times the cost of regular memory, which is why it doesn't usually come in consumer PCs. Neither the XBOX 360 nor the Playstation 3 are going to use flash memory (except PS2 is going to have a compactflash drive), probably because there are things that do the job just as well and it's frankly too expensive. Nintendo's trying to outdo Microsoft and the PS2 by having faster memory, but in the end, it won't be worth the costs if it's too expensive, their controller sucks, and they don't design any decent games.

And finally, when you think about the new Nintendo Revolution system, it really sounds a lot like Sega's systems before they almost collapsed in 1994 (and later quit hardware manufacturing, in 2001). But really, think back... Sega's stock was sliding further and further down the hole, and so what did they do? They repeatedly kept designing new, add-ons to their already bizarre, overpriced systems to improve them. Even though it was retarded, of course, back then people were hyping about Sega's "new technology," too.

Now, look at Nintendo. They aren't designing many games with new ideas, but just re-hashing old ones. Even semi-popular games such as Nintendog are simply Tamagotchi with different graphics and a new name. And their new, bizarre and overpriced system which they're even still DEVELOPING won't support High-Definition television and will require some kind of add-on to be able to play DVDs. Pathetic. Nintendo should sell their stock while it's still worth something.

Great, just what we need. Another person who's afraid of change.

Consoles have been the same for years now. It's time somebody did something, and Nintendo's doing just that.

"They've also just FINALLY moved over to standard CDs\DVDs, instead of the archaic cartridges of the N64 (that the Nintendo DS still uses), or the custom mini-discs of the Gamecube."

The cartridges for the N64 were stupid, I'll admit. But, hand-held systems *need* cartridges. You know how slow a super-minidisc hand-held would be? And the custom mini-discs for the Gamecube were to prevent piracy, and they worked completely.

The Nintendo and SNES were awesome consoles. They haven't done much of note since then, but that's mostly because they lost their better game companies to Sony.

A quick ision of the future.

If Sony get their way, in 10 years time, the PS5 will be playing exactly the same as the PS1 just with 'photo-realistic' graphics.

If Nintendo get their way we'll still have some fun games left by then.

Yoour choice.

Crash Bandicoot has been retired because he sucks. Mario is still going because no proper (IE, not a stupid sports or party spinoff) Mario game has sucked yet.

And if Nintendo are kiddy, why Metroid Prime and th whole RE series on the GC?

It remains to be seen what it is truly like... I wonder how it'll handle. But there has been a bit of a lack of creativity for new games from Nintendo.

Oh, and for the record...

SONY IS NOT A GAMING COMPANY.

They just happened to start a games division after the went into a joint venture with Nintendo and Philips to make a 32-bit disc system. Said 32-bit disc system turned into the Sony Playstation after a lawsuit, and the rest is history.

That said, Sony is an Electronics Corporation that happens to have a games division.

Best videogame company? Mmmh... Gremlin circa 1989. Or maybe Bullfrog around 1991.

So you blame a company foir trying to move an industry forward, if Sony/Microsoft had it there way in 10 years well be playing the PS 6 with Extra graphics, but with PS 1 controllers.

Ninty are trying to do somthing diffrent, improve gaming and I hope they do it.

frankly ... frankly ... frankly ... frankly ... frankly
Dude, try a thesaurus.

Dude, try a thesaurus.
Frankly, I haven't had any sleep, but am awake because of energy drinks. I do have the tendency to sometimes be REPETITIVELY OVER-REDUNDANT in my speech, especially when tired.

I don't know, how can you tell simply by looking at it? Would you not need to actually give it a go before you tell us if it's going to work or not?

Sony never did a thing for me. I saw the PS2 before most people got the chance, and I remarked out loud, "It's a crisper PS1." A couple years later, some wonderful game companies made the Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden, God of War type games, all of which are reproductions of the same basic engine, but they're crazy-good games because their storyline and graphic design are immersive and fun. In other words, I give props to the game companies for keeping Sony afloat as long as it has been.

Nintendo, on the other hand, has been setting game standards for years. They helped Sony with their controller design (shoulder buttons, 4 side buttons on the right in a square motif). And they pander to kids. For companies like Sony and Microsoft, this is great! You all were probably hooked on Nintendo as kids, and now they're working on future generations. Nintendo has remembered that players for life start as gamer-kids.

If this were Japan, we wouldn't have this argument going. They like their Nintendo over there. ;) I'm not speaking as a fanboi; in my house we have 3 top-end computers, X-box, PS2, and a Gamecube. To me, if you're a true gamer, you wouldn't limit yourself to any one experience. If you're complaining about the $$$, work harder and get yourself a better job, so you can game as much as me. :rolleyes:

I like the Nintendo controller. I may hate it if it fails, or it degenerates to crappy gimick (as opposed to a good gimick, which I don't see the problem with) but in principle I'm all in favour of it. It's new and original, and distinguishes it from the other consoles, which to me automatically puts it above the PS3 (I suppose it doesn't help the playstation that I usually don't like their games. I have a ps2, but no games, simply because I don't like them enough to buy, and haven't got round to selling the ps2 yet.)

I hope Nintendo pulls it off.

I was going to say the same thing about Sony not actually being a "videogame company", but an electronics development and distribution franchise.

Well, I gotta hand it to Nintendo, they get a 10 from me for wierd-looking game devices, but the whole gyroscopic motion detector actually sounds like a step in the right direction. I mean, how long is it gonna be until full-immersion VR environments come to the home entertainment field, ie through the use of (among others things, of course) hand-directed motion-sensitive controllers? I may be casting my line way too far from the boat, but I think it's worth at least mentioning.

Jeez, you sure put a lot of effort into that post just to say you dont like something chomsky.

Personally I think if it turns into a new way to look at gaming rather than another virtual boy then more power to them. Nintendo certainly is the only company that would ever try this, thats why i like them.

think of it your way, nintendo is the only consolemaker who tries to develop new things into the game genre... just let him play tekken 54 if he wants to...

How the HELL am I supposed to play with that? Nintendo, I've always been loyal to you, but WTF?

I have to agree that fanboyism (or Brown-Nosed Gamer Syndrom as I like to call it) runs rampant in forums and game mags everywhere. Everybody has their favorites (I'm a Sony man myself) but it has to be admitted that every company has it's merits.

That being said, I await the Revolution with excitment. The main reason: downloading the old school. I'll admit, getting an emulator is easier and more cost effective, but some of the games that will be available for download on the Revolution will also be free to download or come packaged with new games. Plus, not all old 'Tendo fans know how to go about getting themselves an emulator and roms (EG: my mom and her brothers and sisters) or have misgiving about piracy (I got reemed out by my friend for moding my X-Box, he feels the same way about emulators).

Granted, the controller looks terrifying, but how puzzled were you when you first picked up an N64 controller? Being forced to buy peripherals would deffinately suck up to three different types of donkey balls, but noone is sure if it will be completely necessary in the end. Due two feedback from disgruntaled gamers, the controller scheme may change a good deal for the better before final release.

However, the issue of game titles is certainly a big one. Nintendo exclusive releases that are not re-hashes, spin-offs or sequels are few and far between. As much as Resident Evil 4 and The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker kick ass (yes I said Wind Waker kicks ass, and I meant it) there just aren't that many good games on the Gamecube. Third party companies just don't want to be part of what they see as the back of the pack in the gaming industry.

All in all, I want to get my hands on all the next-gen systems (call me a consumer whore, but I loves me video games). I'm personally looking forward to the PS3 the most, because that's the system that will have the biggest library of games.

The best video game company is Square-Enix imo :p

I'm a Sony and Microsoft person myself, although I only have an Xbox because of Halo, and I only have a playstation for the RPGs (FF7, Valkryie Profile, etc.)

Nintendo has been riding the same characters for the last two decades and have displayed an amazing lack of originality thusfar. Kudos to Link for carrying the Nintendo this far, but eventually we're going to want something new. Omfg Paper Zelda and Zelda Sunshine! ^_^

How the HELL am I supposed to play with that? Nintendo, I've always been loyal to you, but WTF?try it first...whine after you give it a fair try :rolleyes:

Admittedly the first controllers that worked under this principle didn't work too well, but that was about ten years ago and miniaturization has come a long way. Let's see how they work and if they really make a difference in gameplay.

On the other hand, Nintendo also came up with the Virtual Boy.

We're not the only ones whining.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050919.gif

Here's another hilarious vgcats comic strip, bitching about the Nintendo Revolution:
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=86

Because if another person bitches, that means that anyone who disagrees with you is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

I think that it's certainly a step in the right direction for Nintendo, if it works. And there's something you seem to be forgetting that I recall very well...

”Backward compatibility: the disc drive will accept Gamecube games. We have designed Revolution to be a virtual console, enabling it to download 20 years of Nintendo content. ... It is the gaming experience that will most separate Revolution from its competitors.”

HELLO. Backwards compatibility to the max.

HELLO. Backwards compatibility to the max.
Being able to download NES and SNES roms is retarded. I'd say that the overwhelming majority of gamers can easily access roms.

One point I will concede, though, is that it sounds INCREDIBLY cool to be able to download N64 roms... Ultimately, downloading games, period, would be the cutting edge way to go. Not making a "nunchuk-style" controller.

i was a hardcore nintendo fan since the first NES came out. i still like the original
zelda even though the graphics suck now. the last system i bought was the N64,and i was disappointed in it. the games sucked,and the controller was a nightmare. then i discovered the sony playstation and nintendo exited my life forever. now i have a PS2,and i await the arrival of the PS3. so far,PS2 is the best all around system,and it has a buttload of good games! (thanks partially to its compatibility with the original playstation) any new system that comes out that is not backwards compatible is a waste of money.


the best controller i have ever used(most comfortable for the hands)was the one used with the sega saturn. i know it doesnt have one of the annoying thumb sticks on it,but thats fine by me. i could play for hours and not get cramps or blisters on my hands. its just a shame the system died before it really got started. still,i love my PS2. if they could come out with a controller similiar to the saturn,i would be in heaven....

Being able to download NES and SNES roms is retarded. I'd say that the overwhelming majority of gamers can easily access roms.

One point I will concede, though, is that it sounds INCREDIBLY cool to be able to download N64 roms... Ultimately, downloading games, period, would be the cutting edge way to go. Not making a "nunchuk-style" controller.

Yes, but most people like doing things LEGALLY. I don't download ROMS of things unless I own them or can't get ahold of them any other way. Or I delete them after I find out the games suck.

Nintendo are a good company, it just seems that they've gone a bit weird lately. All this touch screen stuff and one handed controllers. Not entirely sure if Mr. Nintendo-san (don't know his real name) is maybe going senile... No, no, that's blasphemy...
I've discussed this on other forums, and someone pointed out that originality may be Nintendos way of combatting Microsoft and Sony. Good point, but, personally, I like the consoles to be powerful, rather than innovative ones. I prefer if they keep the innovation in the games. Really, I don't know for sure- we'll really have to wait and see how it turns out... :confused:

Yes, but most people like doing things LEGALLY.
I know at least 18 million reasons (http://www.google.com/search?q=bittorrent) why you're wrong. It's estimated that bittorrent accounts for 1\3 of the bandwidth usage of the internet.

Yes, but most people like doing things LEGALLY.
Sure they do. Unless they think they can't be caught.

I love nintendo, but they dont ALWAYS need to have new controlers, I disaprove of the new controler, but it may be fun.

I would just like to mention that this controller will be "healthier" for your body. It will be a lot better for your wrists, hands, elbows, shoulders, etc. It seems really comfortable, actually. I don't know why people have such a huge problem with it. Nintendo is all about innovation, they are trying something new. People reeeeeeaally need to stop bitching until they've actually tried the controllers themselves.

In reference to the VGCats comic: As much as I love them, I met the VGCats guy and he's a huge tool in real life.

I wish that they'd make a controller that is ergonomically designed. Basically, make the controller very large, but light-weight, with the outside padded with foam rubber. Then, have there be ten buttons, each positioned apart from eachother, according to the dimensions of the average human hands, where the buttons will basically be within small indentations on the gigantic "ball," exactly where your fingertips would be.

In other words, if you were to take a ball of clay about 1\3 the size of a bowling ball, then pick it up in your hands and leave handprints, that's what the controller would look like... The foam rubber would offer flexibility (because not everyone's hands are the same size), greater comfort, and the controllers could also come in three sizes, so that everyone is accomodated.

The fact that the buttons would also already be where your fingers are would make it so that it's far easier to 'memorize' the positions of the buttons.

Thus, it would be the most comfortable controller ever made.

I am a devout Nintendo fan but the Revolution controller is just plain LIBERETARDED (There I said it and I'm not paying you squat Chomskyrion). It looks like a Japanese sex toy to me.

I know at least 18 million reasons (http://www.google.com/search?q=bittorrent) why you're wrong. It's estimated that bittorrent accounts for 1\3 of the bandwidth usage of the internet.

And your point is... what, exactly? It's also more convenient to get things from home...

EDIT: And, you know, there's a big difference between playing a video game on a TV screen, and playing on a computer. Among other things.

I am a devout Nintendo fan but the Revolution controller is just plain LIBERETARDED (There I said it and I'm not paying you squat Chomskyrion). It looks like a Japanese sex toy to me.
"Set phasers to... fun."

Isn't it wonderful, though?

Now, not only will you have to worry about losing your TV remote. Now you'll also have to worry about losing your Nintendo remote!!

And your point is... what, exactly? It's also more convenient to get things from home...
...Illegally...

EDIT: And, you know, there's a big difference between playing a video game on a TV screen, and playing on a computer. Among other things.
I agree. For example, on a PC, you can use trainers and cheats for free, whereas, on a console, you have to pay 50 bucks for a Gameshark. Or more, if the code you want isn't supported by your version of Gameshark or hasn't been discovered yet!

On a PC, you can actually control the resolution of your monitor. On a TV, you can't.

And finally, if you have some kind of erotic lust for your controller, you can find a PC adapter for almost any kind of modern videogame controller.

Now, not only will you have to worry about losing your TV remote. Now you'll also have to worry about losing your Nintendo remote!!
Partially why I'm defecting to the PS3 after I'm finished with Twilight Princess on the Cube (obviously it still needs to be released)

To be honest, I liked Genesis back in the day much more than SNES to start with. Even when I was 5,6,7 years old I liked Genesis games SO much more since it meant playing a game with developed plot and gameplay, not just mindless mashing and bashing (or in some instances, rhythmic bashing and gnashing that was impossible for someone with an age of the maturity level that was targeted for the marketed games).

N64 was the exception to this because it was a great system and did lead the way to 3D graphics since Playstation was Horrible. Since PS2 came out though, Sony has shown it really knows its stuff and can really make something worthwhile when it comes to frying your brain. Hopefully, Panasonic can join in on this and make some new stuff also with regards to.... oh nevermind, I'm not a technical junkie anyway.

Microsoft is great, but what they do is satisfy the crowd that isn't interested in spending time or attention to a mentally complex game while wanting something that goes above and beyond simple shapes and sounds (ooh! alliteration :) ). XBox is more of a middle ground between Nintendo "simplicity" and Sony depthness.

When I looked at the Revolution, I thought, "This is it, the last straw. No more quality stuff; just satisfying the mob while sacrificing integrity." Sure Nintendo will live on, but it's because of all the mindless sheep looking for a gateway to video games (like AOL or Marijuana, take your pick). Yes there are devoted gamers for nintendo, but their market is mostly about making sure that they can always draw in new people and make entertainment short, sweet, and simple (man that word is so terrific for defining nintendo. Simple, simple, simple).

Gotta agree with you on this one man. Unfortunately, AV entertainment isn't the only industry suffering from this. Everything from cars to yogurt is becoming a matter of raising prices while reducing value, and once again we have reached a point in history where that trend is on the upswing. People stay happy because business lobbies for the government to do so by creating a welfare state disguised by active charity from private organizations. All you have to do is look back at the depression at the end of the 1920's, or more practically, next time you go shopping for milk, take a peak at the yogurt. There's nearly no non-low/nofat yogurt. Why? It's more expensive to make (look up how they make yogurt if you don't believe me. Packaging and distributing whole milk yogurt is less cost effective) and the people have been convinced that they MUST eat low/nofat, calorie, carb food. They're dependent upon the state for information and education, and without it they'd be confused and undirected.

Ironically, the one thing your parents told you not to do (play video games all day) is what can most easily show you how people are sheeple and how everything's going down the crapper since HONEST and DIGNIFIED volunteerism is rare to come by now. :headbang:

"Set phasers to... fun."

Isn't it wonderful, though?

Now, not only will you have to worry about losing your TV remote. Now you'll also have to worry about losing your Nintendo remote!!

You know the other ones are wirless too.

And, I don't know about you but I put my controllers back by the 'cube once I've finished, very important when you own Wavebirds...

People say that it wont be good for certain games. I agree. However, remember that the games that would be good are fun and/or innovative. Two things which sum up Nintendo philosophy (on the development level; everywhere else it's money).

And on the subject of ROMs; I emulate. It's fun. Illegal, but since I wouldn't have bought them anyway, no-one loses out. Also, look at Scotland today and tell me the police have nothing better to worry about.

Because if another person bitches, that means that anyone who disagrees with you is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

I think that it's certainly a step in the right direction for Nintendo, if it works. And there's something you seem to be forgetting that I recall very well...



HELLO. Backwards compatibility to the max.

Just wondering, has anyone kept their NES and/or SNES?

I still have my SNES with over 30 games.

well my PS2, which I bought last Christmas season, has all of a sudden decided to not play games/DVDs any longer... I didn't punch it, there was no huge electrical storm that could have damaged it, there's no giant dustball stuck in it, etc... I wonder if the bastards made it so that the scanner/reader would poop out after 8 months (it hasn't worked since the end of august).

has anyone else had this problem with a PS2 -- it works fine and dandy until one day when POOF it simply will not load/play games/DVDs?

well my PS2, which I bought last Christmas season, has all of a sudden decided to not play games/DVDs any longer... I didn't punch it, there was no huge electrical storm that could have damaged it, there's no giant dustball stuck in it, etc... I wonder if the bastards made it so that the scanner/reader would poop out after 8 months (it hasn't worked since the end of august).

has anyone else had this problem with a PS2 -- it works fine and dandy until one day when POOF it simply will not load/play games/DVDs?

I think a mate had similar problems. He just got a new one.

Go PS3. Period.

Nintendo is good but the controllers suck

I never really was able to play with the GC controller. I always gave up halfway through at a friend's house trying to figure the thing out.

My chemistry book makes more logical sense.

I see gaming like this.

1983-1985
Famicom(JP)/NES(US). Fairly bad graphics. Therefore depends on gameplay to sell games. Succesful and revives gaming industry after the crash of early 80's. Sets standard for rest of century and on.

Sega comes along. Busts out 16-bit graphics. Populous sees graphics are awesome.

Nintendo comes out with SNES later. Just as good.

Nintendo wants to make CD adapter for SNES; commisions Sony. Sony beings work, Nintendo ditches Sony goes with Phillips. Project later fails.

Sega releases the Saturn, overall a failure.

Sony turns CD adapter in its own console, the Playstation. Has SNES-based controller.

Nintendo comes out with N64. Does okay against Sony.

Sega does graphical leap in 1999, costs too much, fails, Sega dies.

Sony comes out with PS2 in 2001. Does well due to less than Dreamcast cost, awesome graphics. Retains the SNES-based controller.

Microsoft, Nintendo release their 128-bit consoles, SNES-based controllers. Nintendo does okay with low price and alright graphics. Microsoft sells consoles for less than its worth. Stays aloft due to Microsoft being Microsoft.

Microsoft releases Halo. Shows game developers they can release mediocre games and make millions. Nintendo releases Resident Evil 4. Shows game developers Gamecube can have amazingly good graphics if it wants. Sony releases Gran Turismo 4. Shows game developers that you don't need an epic story like to make an epic game.

Sony, Microsoft show features/blueprints/statistics/SNES-based controllers for next consoles at E3. Nintendo shows console case, says it will have Super Smash Bros. online, and the ultimate in backwards compatibility. That's it.

Nintendo shows off controller to everyone. No one knows if it's a good or bad thing.

---Future---

Nintendo has relized that this is the last year graphics will be a selling point. You can see this because graphics on 360, PS3 are hardly better than previous, and they are almost identical to real-life. After this next generation Sony, Microsoft will have to go to making good games and not just relying on graphics. They will most likely follow Nintendo's example because FPSers are the most money making games and Nintendo's controller is perfect for such.

I see gaming like this.

1983-1985
Famicom(JP)/NES(US). Fairly bad graphics. Therefore depends on gameplay to sell games. Succesful and revives gaming industry after the crash of early 80's. Sets standard for rest of century and on.

Sega comes along. Busts out 16-bit graphics. Populous sees graphics are awesome.

Nintendo comes out with SNES later. Just as good.

Nintendo wants to make CD adapter for SNES; commisions Sony. Sony beings work, Nintendo ditches Sony goes with Phillips. Project later fails.

Sega releases the Saturn, overall a failure.

Sony turns CD adapter in its own console, the Playstation. Has SNES-based controller.

Nintendo comes out with N64. Does okay against Sony.

Sega does graphical leap in 1999, costs too much, fails, Sega dies.

Sony comes out with PS2 in 2001. Does well due to less than Dreamcast cost, awesome graphics. Retains the SNES-based controller.

Microsoft, Nintendo release their 128-bit consoles, SNES-based controllers. Nintendo does okay with low price and alright graphics. Microsoft sells consoles for less than its worth. Stays aloft due to Microsoft being Microsoft.

Microsoft releases Halo. Shows game developers they can release mediocre games and make millions. Nintendo releases Resident Evil 4. Shows game developers Gamecube can have amazingly good graphics if it wants. Sony releases Gran Turismo 4. Shows game developers that you don't need an epic story like to make an epic game.

Sony, Microsoft show features/blueprints/statistics/SNES-based controllers for next consoles at E3. Nintendo shows console case, says it will have Super Smash Bros. online, and the ultimate in backwards compatibility. That's it.

Nintendo shows off controller to everyone. No one knows if it's a good or bad thing.

---Future---

Nintendo has relized that this is the last year graphics will be a selling point. You can see this because graphics on 360, PS3 are hardly better than previous, and they are almost identical to real-life. After this next generation Sony, Microsoft will have to go to making good games and not just relying on graphics. They will most likely follow Nintendo's example because FPSers are the most money making games and Nintendo's controller is perfect for such.

Agreed, though code makes it hard to read

I don't see anything wrong with nintendo, even with these arguments this thread is based on. IT's kind of hard to make fun of the controller when you haven' even used it yet, I didn't like the X box controller when I first saw it. And repeating franchises isn't a bad thing, because if we still buy the franchise, that means we still like it, w decide which franchises come or go, and I remember seeing something about a new Final fantasy game coming out on nintendo.

Agreed, though code makes it hard to read
But that's the point!

Crash Bandicoot has been retired because he sucks. Mario is still going because no proper (IE, not a stupid sports or party spinoff) Mario game has sucked yet.

Mario Party's 4 and 6 are fucking awesome when played with multiple people. Admittedly however, the single player sucks major ass.

Mario Party's 4 and 6 are fucking awesome when played with multiple people. Admittedly however, the single player sucks major ass.

That is one thing, though ... Was it really necessary to release sooooooooo many Mario Party games??? :rolleyes:

1. Nice idea!

2. Ok, this is allowable.

3. Umm... getting a lil repetitive now.

4. Ok ... YOU CAN STOP NOW!!!

5. ENOUGH!!!

6. You're doing this on purpose, aren't you?


By my calculations, at this rate, Nintendo will be releasing Mario Party 73 by 2015! :p

i love nintendo's innovation here, especially with the new controller - i think its an idea long overdue for practical reality. however i think that - particularly because of the controller - their system will cater more to the tastes of the casual gamer, at least for this generation.

which is interesting as thats ground currently occupied primarily by Sony - with microsoft's PR machine entrenching the xbox/x360 as a more pro/harcore gamer machine.

so i wonder whether MS is going to benefit from this, assuming the Revolution is somewhat successful (moreso than the GC)


(i focus on MS and Nintendo because Song is too big, boring and ever-present in the game market to predict any changes to this)

Nintendo is the king of novelties, not innovation.

I don't get it.

Okay, you make a really interesting cool controller.

But can Nintendo can seriously say to developers "YOU MUST CONVERT TO US OR ELSE?"

In other words, why didn't they just use a normal controller for people who want to play normally, and sell this special controller for certain games?

Imagine if Sony forced everyone to buy an eyetoy and forced developers to use it.

It just makes no sense via business standpoint. People like OPTIONS (and could be extra revenue)

Canada City']I don't get it.

Okay, you make a really interesting cool controller.

But can Nintendo can seriously say to developers "YOU MUST CONVERT TO US OR ELSE?"

In other words, why didn't they just use a normal controller for people who want to play normally, and sell this special controller for certain games?

Imagine if Sony forced everyone to buy an eyetoy and forced developers to use it.

It just makes no sense via business standpoint. People like OPTIONS (and could be extra revenue)
Nintendo will have a Gamecube controller attachment for the controller so developers won't have to change anything really if they don't want to take advantage of the new option.

Atleast that's what I heard.

You're wrong about at least one thing.

Nintendo 64 was the greatest system of all time. Seriously. Maybe it didn't have Wuss Fantasy 288888, but it had a gtreat array of amazing games. It kicked PS in the butt bigtime. Seriously, when probably the 2 greatest games ever were on N64, how can you diss it? (Goldeneye 007, Legend of Zelda: OoT)

You're wrong about at least one thing.

Nintendo 64 was the greatest system of all time. Seriously. Maybe it didn't have Wuss Fantasy 288888, but it had a gtreat array of amazing games. It kicked PS in the butt bigtime. Seriously, when probably the 2 greatest games ever were on N64, how can you diss it? (Goldeneye 007, Legend of Zelda: OoT)

Personally I say Perfect Dark was better than Goldeneye.

Otherwise though, it had the best ever Platformer (Mario 64) Best Adventure (Zelda OoT) 2 of the best ever third-person shooters (Body Harvest and Jet Force Gemini) in fact, all it lacked was good RPGs (Damn Yamauchi telling Square to get lost).

It's a console that'll take some beating.

You're wrong about at least one thing.

Nintendo 64 was the greatest system of all time. Seriously. Maybe it didn't have Wuss Fantasy 288888, but it had a gtreat array of amazing games. It kicked PS in the butt bigtime. Seriously, when probably the 2 greatest games ever were on N64, how can you diss it? (Goldeneye 007, Legend of Zelda: OoT)
You're kidding right?

You're kidding right?
of course i'm not. n64 owns you.

and anarchic christians. you're right they needed an rpg... you know what they should have done? remade super mario rpg for snes. that was the best rpg of all time. and still is. don't even trash talk it. ANYONE.

Definately NOT microsuxx

They can blow it out their monopolistic,
i can't write code, but sure am a damn good business man,
arse.



Go LINUX, if you havn't already.

we need Inovation and funner games, so im going with Nintendo 4 ever.

well my PS2, which I bought last Christmas season, has all of a sudden decided to not play games/DVDs any longer... I didn't punch it, there was no huge electrical storm that could have damaged it, there's no giant dustball stuck in it, etc... I wonder if the bastards made it so that the scanner/reader would poop out after 8 months (it hasn't worked since the end of august).

has anyone else had this problem with a PS2 -- it works fine and dandy until one day when POOF it simply will not load/play games/DVDs?

From my experience, Sony systems (PS1 and PS2), are terribly made shitboxes that break if you hiccup in the same room while the thing is saving your data.

In total, my friends and I have gone through 4 PS1's and 3 PS2's...and never was it a result of electric surge, spilled drinks, heavy blows or pet dander in the machine.

They just plain stopped working, for a variety of reasons...I won't ever buy Sony again...it's not worth the hassle.

I bought myself an X-Box last Christmas and have not regretted it. The only thing I would like is more flight-combat games like Ace Combat, but that's about my only complaint.

And since I shelled out an extra thirty bucks on a five year warranty plan, I can send it to Microsoft to fix it if it ever breaks, rather than drive 90 minutes round trip to the damn Sony repair center in Green Bay. :mad:

However, I am fairly sure that by the time I buy one of the next gen consoles, the PS4 and the X-Box 1080 will be only a year away. :p

From my experience, Sony systems (PS1 and PS2), are terribly made shitboxes that break if you hiccup in the same room while the thing is saving your data.

In total, my friends and I have gone through 4 PS1's and 3 PS2's...and never was it a result of electric surge, spilled drinks, heavy blows or pet dander in the machine.

They just plain stopped working, for a variety of reasons...I won't ever buy Sony again...it's not worth the hassle.wow! what have you and your friends been doing with your PS systems. I have 2 PSX and 1 PSOne, as well as 2 PS2, and all still work great. and yes, I play or played with them everyday.

I bought myself an X-Box last Christmas and have not regretted it. The only thing I would like is more flight-combat games like Ace Combat, but that's about my only complaint.

And since I shelled out an extra thirty bucks on a five year warranty plan, I can send it to Microsoft to fix it if it ever breaks, rather than drive 90 minutes round trip to the damn Sony repair center in Green Bay. :mad:

However, I am fairly sure that by the time I buy one of the next gen consoles, the PS4 and the X-Box 1080 will be only a year away. :p
heard good things about the X-Box. but I deal with Microsoft's Programs at work (Tech Support) so I kinda wanna break away from MS's stuff when I wanna relax.

well my PS2, which I bought last Christmas season, has all of a sudden decided to not play games/DVDs any longer... I didn't punch it, there was no huge electrical storm that could have damaged it, there's no giant dustball stuck in it, etc... I wonder if the bastards made it so that the scanner/reader would poop out after 8 months (it hasn't worked since the end of august).

has anyone else had this problem with a PS2 -- it works fine and dandy until one day when POOF it simply will not load/play games/DVDs?
how are you turning it off?

I've heard that when you just hit the switch in the back without putting it into powersave mode (red light on the reset button) then it will eventually mess up your PS2. so I've been Holding the reset button in until it turns red, then turning off the PS2. and so far I've had no problems from my system.

Quick question has the control layout changed sunstantially for a car or airplane in the last 50 years, or a gun in 100 years or a keyboard in 75 years ?? No! Why? Because once you have a workable control you only need to refine it, not reinvent the wheel.


So you blame a company foir trying to move an industry forward, if Sony/Microsoft had it there way in 10 years well be playing the PS 6 with Extra graphics, but with PS 1 controllers.

Ninty are trying to do somthing diffrent, improve gaming and I hope they do it.

Ahem. Nintendo are winning in the vote.

Ahem. Nintendo are winning in the vote.

And the only pro-nintento arguements I've heard so far were: "Ninento great, microsuxx, and gaystation lmafo!!111!"

Oh well, since the PSP is bitch slapping the gameboy (or whatever it's called now) Nintendo HAS to produce a great gaming consul.

Is that really true? The PSP is basically a cheap, mass produced basic consol, like the old SP, however at least Ninty are trying somthing new.

I am a hardcore nintendo fan. That however doesn't mean that I'm totally blind to their faults or the other systems merits. In fact I picked up an X-box because the Gamecube just wasn't cutting it for me. I love my little purple lunch box, but there's hardly any games coming out on it. Having said that, there are plenty of good games that have come out on it. One great game that I never hear talked about is Eternal Darkness. Very good story, really plays with your head.

I think that Perfect Dark was the best multiplayer FPS to date. It had options coming out the wazzoo. Not to mention that it had the single greatest variety of bots. Anyone ever try beat a Dark Sim?

Anyways, back on topic, the revolution controller will have to prove itself. Right now it sounds increadibly cool, if incomplete. I read that they are planning on producing a shell to go around the controller, that would allow it to function like a normal controller, also there the little analog add on. It's all going to depend on how many and how much these little peripherals cost.

Yes I'm glad Nintendo is trying something new. I don't believe that the current way of controlling things is broken, but I do think that swinging something is better than pushing a button to tell the game to swing. If you think about it, swing and block are two buttons right there, both accomplished without a button.

I'm sure if it's succesful, it'll get cloned by sony and microsoft (just look at the analog stick, the rumble, and the wireless conectivity) Right now it's reinventing the wheel. I see it getting integrated into controllers, or maybe a side peripheral that'll change things. It might ulitimately be only smoothing things out with the controller. Personally I can see swing a standard controller around like a sword, or using it like a gun.

Moral of the story, wait and see.....it could be horrendously bad, could be totally spectacular. It's all going to depend.

*Snip* i see i am NOT the only one who has educated themselves in this topic. ^See above ^

Quick question has the control layout changed sunstantially for a car or airplane in the last 50 years, or a gun in 100 years or a keyboard in 75 years ?? No! Why? Because once you have a workable control you only need to refine it, not reinvent the wheel.Nintendo invented the current controller layout; we should atleast let them re-invent it.

Being able to download NES and SNES roms is retarded. I'd say that the overwhelming majority of gamers can easily access roms.

One point I will concede, though, is that it sounds INCREDIBLY cool to be able to download N64 roms... Ultimately, downloading games, period, would be the cutting edge way to go. Not making a "nunchuk-style" controller.
then buy a freakin phantom from infinium. i'm not evening giving you a link douchebag. google it up yourself. and while you're at it buy another 3rd generation sequel from Sony.

Nintendo invented the current controller layout; we should atleast let them re-invent it.
indeed

As a FPS fan, the controler look pretty cool to me.

I guest you're gonna control the move/strafe in your left hand with the analog stick extention, and your rigth hand will directly point at your TV for aiming. Now for the button, I see 11 + maybe one on the analog stick. An xbox controler have 16, not a big difference.

Nintendo has done many great things, no doubt. Starting off with the most recent part, the FPS. Goldeneye revolutionized the FPS, pretty much being the first great FPS out there. They came out with another 007 game for N64, The World is Not Enough. Not a great game, I admit, but, it had some great weapons, added the second function, and started to fool around with variety after Goldeneye, which had like 4 types of ammo, where the difference was how fast how many. Overall, The World is Not Enough was a huge step in the right direction. Perfect Dark was definitely the best FPS for a really long time. Dark got down variety. Big time. They had a lot of stuff in there that games thave now, for example Cloaking Device, which is the same as Active Stealth pretty much in Halo. Their weapons as well had great variety, with two functions on each. It definitely required stratagy as to when to use which function. Perfect dark was definitely a well rounded, enjoyable, and, as the name suggests, nearly pefect game. Plus it's fun looking for cheese. However, you can't ignore the current ones. Games like Halo and the like definitely have their good stuff. For example, on the PS2 and the X-Box, with the two analog sticks, you can move and look at the same time, whereas you couldn't in the older ones, and the control is also a good bit smoother, however, there isn't much of the new stuff.

Ok, that aside, I think this could potentially be a step in the right direction. As for controller parts, they definitely need to make those add-ons at very economical prices. Looking at the analog stick one, you can point one thing out. My favorite thing about the analogs for Nintendo's system is that they aren't circular, and if you need a certain direction, you can get it locked like that. The motion sensing stuff could definitely be good. If it works well enough, LucasArts should definitely release some Star Wars games for it. I also think it could be potentially good for a comeback of a flight game, which we haven't seen in a while.

The ability to download some of the classic NES and SNES ROMs, in my opinion, will be a really good thing. As of late, due to the re-releases, it is increasingly harder to find some of the ROMs, even if you only go for getting legal ones (Meaning you have to already own a copy of the game, that would be the back-up)....I'll end at that.

Nintendo has done many great things, no doubt. Starting off with the most recent part, the FPS. Goldeneye revolutionized the FPS, pretty much being the first great FPS out there.

Actually that was DOOM imo, but no doubt 007 was a legendary game.

To be honest the controller sounds like a nice idea, but it also sounds like a great cash cow for Nintendo. "Buy this attachment in order to play Zelda: Nutshell of Time, "Buy this attachment to pleasure youself. See it even vibrates!"

To be honest the controller sounds like a nice idea, but it also sounds like a great cash cow for Nintendo. "Buy this attachment in order to play Zelda: Nutshell of Time, "Buy this attachment to pleasure youself. See it even vibrates!"

Actually, you would only need a right, left, and z trigger attachment, oh, and the wand thingy. At the most, maybe $50.

Besides, free Online Gaming, and launching with every console title Nintendo ever released? You can't beat that.