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I read this (http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=102611&format=text) the other day and was thinking about the practice of hazing in general.

A Massachusetts state police instructor is under investigation for allegedly forcing recruits' heads into dirty toilets in a hazing ritual that was kept under wraps until a female major complained to top brass, sources said.
``The instructor put his boot on the backs of their heads,'' said one source. ``People complained, but their complaints were never taken seriously.''

Hazing makes for better group camaraderie. Besides, someone that isn't tough enough to make it through the hazing isn't going to be able to handle any of the other rigors of the job. As long as the practice doesn't threaten one's life or limb, it's a good one.

Hazing seems rather... Unnecessary.

being caught in a hazing incident in my Dept is grounds for an official investigation, which if confirmed, is followed by immediate termination.

I read this (http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=102611&format=text) the other day and was thinking about the practice of hazing in general.

Hazing makes for better group camaraderie. Besides, someone that isn't tough enough to make it through the hazing isn't going to be able to handle any of the other rigors of the job. As long as the practice doesn't threaten one's life or limb, it's a good one.

Then you wouldn't object to having your head held in a dirty toilet as part of the interview process for a job you might want?

I read this (http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=102611&format=text) the other day and was thinking about the practice of hazing in general.

Hazing makes for better group camaraderie. Besides, someone that isn't tough enough to make it through the hazing isn't going to be able to handle any of the other rigors of the job. As long as the practice doesn't threaten one's life or limb, it's a good one.
Yeah cause we all know having your head in a toilet is GREAT practice for going into law enforcement

:rolleyes:

Yeah cause we all know having your head in a toilet is GREAT practice for going into law enforcement

:rolleyes:

And having a co-worker stamping your head into a toilet bowl really makes you feel a part of the group.

Then you wouldn't object to having your head held in a dirty toilet as part of the interview process for a job you might want?

I'd do it for a million dollars.

And having a co-worker stamping your head into a toilet bowl really makes you feel a part of the group.
Yeah people associate the hazing part of the process as the part that builds camaraderie … I have a feeling it is the hanging out afterwards and sharing the same interests/job that does

But for some reason people think only the hazing part will accomplish this

Hazing could disrupt discipline. For instance, if someone did that to me, I would soon take a very nasty vengeance.

Hazing could disrupt discipline. For instance, if someone did that to me, I would soon take a very nasty vengeance.

Yeah, me too. Involving the same toilet bowl after i've made a personal addition to it.

Yeah, me too. Involving the same toilet bowl after i've made a personal addition to it.

The original story said "dirty toilets". I can only assume that means that personal additions had already been made. You'd have to find a way to one-up that.

Hazing could disrupt discipline. For instance, if someone did that to me, I would soon take a very nasty vengeance.
Yeah reminds me of dazed and confused …

Where they paddled the freshman


They would have to put me in the hospital cause I would keep on walking and ignore them
They hit me I floor them

If they gang up on me they better kill me I have no qualms telling the police everything

I wont start anything and I wont hesitate to put aside my pride and do what ever is necessary to either defend myself or report them to the proper authorities

I read this (http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=102611&format=text) the other day and was thinking about the practice of hazing in general.

Hazing makes for better group camaraderie. Besides, someone that isn't tough enough to make it through the hazing isn't going to be able to handle any of the other rigors of the job. As long as the practice doesn't threaten one's life or limb, it's a good one.

Hazing is an ancient practice, nearly every elite unit does it, or did until recently.

Besides promoting camaraderie, it makes the individual feel that they have passed a test and are now a full-fledged member of an exclusive unit. It gives members a sense of unity.

I'm not opposed to it, but it's all fun until someone puts their eye out. A certain prudence should be ensured.

Hazing is an ancient practice, nearly every elite unit does it, or did until recently.

Besides promoting camaraderie, it makes the individual feel that they have passed a test and are now a full-fledged member of an exclusive unit. It gives members a sense of unity.

I'm not opposed to it, but it's all fun until someone puts their eye out. A certain prudence should be ensured.
You can support camaraderie without forcing someone to submit to hazing

You just have to work a bit harder and be compassionate rather then letting your testosterone take precedence

(wonder why it is necessary for them to build camaraderie through the humiliation and or pain of others )

Hazing is an ancient practice, nearly every elite unit does it, or did until recently. Roman Centurions having love affairs with seven-year-old recruits was an ancient practise, which nearly every elite unit did. Doesn't make it good.

I don't know about you, but I'm not going to feel inclined to help someone on the battlefield if they've humiliated me.

I read this (http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=102611&format=text) the other day and was thinking about the practice of hazing in general.

Hazing makes for better group camaraderie. Besides, someone that isn't tough enough to make it through the hazing isn't going to be able to handle any of the other rigors of the job. As long as the practice doesn't threaten one's life or limb, it's a good one.
While I could understand (not condone) the arguement that hazing might be applicable in the military, I don't see how state troopers need to be prepared for "hardships" like that.

Then you wouldn't object to having your head held in a dirty toilet as part of the interview process for a job you might want?
I was in the Marine Corps. We had 10 weeks of hazing. It was called boot camp. And no, having my head held in a toilet wouldn't have made me quit.

The original story said "dirty toilets". I can only assume that means that personal additions had already been made. You'd have to find a way to one-up that.

I didn't specify what type of personal addition. :p

It says a lot about your law inforcement :D ONLY IN AMERICA!!
no one would dare try an stik my ead down the toilet without asking first

I was in the Marine Corps. We had 10 weeks of hazing. It was called boot camp. And no, having my head held in a toilet wouldn't have made me quit. Neither me, but explain to me how it's supposed to build the team? I mean, it wouldn't exactly strengthen my feelings of loyalty towards the perpetrators.

Neither me, but explain to me how it's supposed to build the team? I mean, it wouldn't exactly strengthen my feelings of loyalty towards the perpetrators.
That's more of a question for a psychologist to answer. My observation is that there is certainly more camaraderie in groups that participate in hazing activities. Misery loves company?

That's more of a question for a psychologist to answer. My observation is that there is certainly more camaraderie in groups that participate in hazing activities. Misery loves company? Ach, bunch of sadomasochists in the military.

Of course, maybe it's not a cause-and-effect thing, maybe the hazing itself is a sign of… something… all I know is that it would make me murderous and not inclined to save them in a battle.

Ach, bunch of sadomasochists in the military.

Of course, maybe it's not a cause-and-effect thing, maybe the hazing itself is a sign of… something… all I know is that it would make me murderous and not inclined to save them in a battle.
Very possible rather then hazing causing the camaraderie … maybe people who are more prone to camaraderie are more likely to participate in hazing

Just because there is a link does not mean there is a causal link